ESiR - Best HD Release group?

[andertzy]

I was wondering about this, everywhere I look all I see is ESiR releases and people seem to like them a lot. What do you think?

[TidusBlade]

Yeah, they release tons of top quality releases, they're defenitly on top with CtrlHD :)
I've never been dissapointed with any ESiR encode, they all looked amazing and played well =]

[puckface]

ESIR and CtrlHD are the best period

[users]

They are actually not that great groups, because alot of times they compress films to dvd5/dvd9 even when they obviously need the bitrate, and alot of times scene releases are better because of that....

so if dvd sizes, and not quality is important to you, I guess they are good...

[RedRansom]

They are actually not that great groups, because alot of times they compress films to dvd5/dvd9 even when they obviously need the bitrate, and alot of times scene releases are better because of that....

so if dvd sizes, and not quality is important to you, I guess they are good...
:huh: or completely reverse

[users]

They are actually not that great groups, because alot of times they compress films to dvd5/dvd9 even when they obviously need the bitrate, and alot of times scene releases are better because of that....

so if dvd sizes, and not quality is important to you, I guess they are good...
:huh: or completely reverse

huh?.

[Kuttichan]

esir and ctrlhd are the best period+1:)

[hotshot6473]

Eureka has the highest quality 1080p releases with no file size limit. Esir and CtrlHD are great groups and I use them for some films that I dont think need to be over sized like some of the eureka releases are and also if you like 720p then there is no other groups that can compare.

[lukee]

They are actually not that great groups, because alot of times they compress films to dvd5/dvd9 even when they obviously need the bitrate, and alot of times scene releases are better because of that....

so if dvd sizes, and not quality is important to you, I guess they are good...

Dude, are you retarded?

[users]

They are actually not that great groups, because alot of times they compress films to dvd5/dvd9 even when they obviously need the bitrate, and alot of times scene releases are better because of that....

so if dvd sizes, and not quality is important to you, I guess they are good...

Dude, are you retarded?

:blink:

are you retarded?, my post was completely accurate...jerk.

[Funkin']

This is great info since I just got into HD in a big way. I'll look out for their releases.

[lukee]

Dude, are you retarded?

:blink:

are you retarded?, my post was completely accurate...jerk.


You are saying groups like CtrlHD and ESiR encode their releases to fit onto DVD5's and DVD9's thus lowering their bitrate. That is absolutely false. ESiR and CtrlHD go COMPLETELY against that moral. They care about quality not speed. Thats why they release movies in which ever size they think is appropriate. Scene groups on the other hand, compress their releases to fit onto DVD5's and DVD9's and because they want to get their releases out the fastest...jerk.

[Villain]

I find also EuReKa one of the best HD release groups. Their releases are top-notch.

[users]

:blink:

are you retarded?, my post was completely accurate...jerk.


You are saying groups like CtrlHD and ESiR encode their releases to fit onto DVD5's and DVD9's thus lowering their bitrate. That is absolutely false. ESiR and CtrlHD go COMPLETELY against that moral. They care about quality not speed. Thats why they release movies in which ever size they think is appropriate. Scene groups on the other hand, compress their releases to fit onto DVD5's and DVD9's and because they want to get their releases out the fastest...jerk.

are you kidding?.they are both very much about dvd sizes, why would you say they aren't?.

dude, are you even member of hdbits?.


see for yourself......on hdbits there is exactly 11 esir 1080p movies larger than 9gb out of 64 releases.

http://img26.picoodle.com/data/img26/3/9/21/f_untitledm_b1d6acb.png

For ctrlhd it is 83 out of 239 larger than 9gb.....

http://img34.picoodle.com/data/img34/3/9/21/f_untitledm_5184d22.png


:dry:.

[lukee]

You are saying groups like CtrlHD and ESiR encode their releases to fit onto DVD5's and DVD9's thus lowering their bitrate. That is absolutely false. ESiR and CtrlHD go COMPLETELY against that moral. They care about quality not speed. Thats why they release movies in which ever size they think is appropriate. Scene groups on the other hand, compress their releases to fit onto DVD5's and DVD9's and because they want to get their releases out the fastest...jerk.

are you kidding?.they are both very much about dvd sizes, why would you say they aren't?.

dude, are you even member of hdbits?.


see for yourself......on hdbits there is exactly 11 esir 1080p movies larger than 9gb out of 64 releases.

http://img26.picoodle.com/data/img26/3/9/21/f_untitledm_b1d6acb.png

For ctrlhd it is 83 out of 239 larger than 9gb.....

http://img34.picoodle.com/data/img34/3/9/21/f_untitledm_5184d22.png


:dry:.

Yes, I am a member of HDBits. The fact that SOME of their releases fit onto DVD9's and DVD5's has nothing to do with it, they encode to any size they seem appropriate. Some movies just don't need a really high bitrate (ie. 27 dresses @ 720p :: ~4.4GB) compared to some that do need a really high one (ie. transformers @ 720p :: ~8GB). Ask in the HDBits forums.Also, Take in count that animated movies need a very small bitrate.

Get your shit straight before you call people jerks. Its a known fact that CtrlHD and ESiR dont try and squeeze all of their releases onto DVD9's or 5's.

[Sylar666]

Pay attention to this thread:
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-43/t-list-your-favourite-hd-release-group-275962/?

[yayyyyyy]

ctrlhd releases also many 40gb+ sources (the one I suppose eureka uses for their "own" encodes LOL)

if you problem is the oversize: download the sources :P

[aaatoel]

ESIR and CtrlHD are the best period

+1 :) Both are great groups and I believe that they are the best two!

[mav13]

CHD is the best blu-ray rip group

[bugs.bunny]

see for yourself......on hdbits there is exactly 11 esir 1080p movies larger than 9gb out of 64 releases. So you are a HDbits user then? If so why in this thread are you asking for HDbits? http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-trades-158/t-lvl-6-314053/? Quote: Have lvl 6 tracker, looking for bmtv, hdbits or sct invites.......

[dunson]

see for yourself......on hdbits there is exactly 11 esir 1080p movies larger than 9gb out of 64 releases. So you are a HDbits user then? If so why in this thread are you asking for HDbits? http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-trades-158/t-lvl-6-314053/? Quote: Have lvl 6 tracker, looking for bmtv, hdbits or sct invites.......

Plus he pmed me asking me the other day asking me to check the users list at HDB for two banned accounts he wanted to get back or something.

For HDBits mods or fellow users who just want a LoL this morning at this nub claiming scene is better than internal.

id=*edited by D and the second one is completely deleted now.

He thought both might end in -s just like his "users" name, so I'm sure they are his.

[users]

dude, whats with all the spam?, if anyone is scammer or cheater, its not the person with rep....

[ryan20021982]

Oh yes you do have 1 rep WOW thats alot
and means nothing

Internal releases are by far better quality than scene releases
Everyone knows that, well almost everyone

[dunson]

Thanks for teh infraction! Keep protecting the assholes that make the torrent sites hate FST, it's a great long-term plan!

[dunson]

dp :spam:

[puckface]

see for yourself......on hdbits there is exactly 11 esir 1080p movies larger than 9gb out of 64 releases.

http://img26.picoodle.com/data/img26/3/9/21/f_untitledm_b1d6acb.png

For ctrlhd it is 83 out of 239 larger than 9gb.....

http://img34.picoodle.com/data/img34/3/9/21/f_untitledm_5184d22.png


:dry:.

I thought you told me the other day via PM that you lost your account on HDBits? How many do you have?

[users]

see for yourself......on hdbits there is exactly 11 esir 1080p movies larger than 9gb out of 64 releases.

http://img26.picoodle.com/data/img26/3/9/21/f_untitledm_b1d6acb.png

For ctrlhd it is 83 out of 239 larger than 9gb.....

http://img34.picoodle.com/data/img34/3/9/21/f_untitledm_5184d22.png


:dry:.

I thought you told me the other day via PM that you lost your account on HDBits? How many do you have?


whats your point...

[OmaRin0]

dude, whats with all the spam?, if anyone is scammer or cheater, its not the person with rep....

:frusty::lol::lol::frusty:

[puckface]

I thought you told me the other day via PM that you lost your account on HDBits? How many do you have?

whats your point...

no point, a question. How many do you have?

[users]

whats your point...

no point, a question. How many do you have?

huh? I have enough, thats all...

[0riGiNaLBoX]

ESIR and CtrlHD the best groups for more people

[pisipisi]

ESiR releases are top quality for that size(DVD5)

[LeBronJames]

In terms of actual transparency to source and maintaining all grain, are esir and ctrlhd really better than eureka though?

I've never seen any comparisons between eureka vs. ctrlhd or esir, but I wonder what they would show. If you want a quick release thats small and convenient, grab the scene, but if you want the absolute best quality, grab the most transparent encode (size shouldn't matter if you really care about quality).

[Unstable1]

ESIR and CTRLHD FTW!

Never had a problem with them.

HD1080 on the other hand are total crap. I avoid HD1080 like the plague.

[Albo Da Kid]

I download a lot of Sys releases. Are they a good group??

[AMnesko]

I would definitely say that CtrlHD and ESiR are in the top of their league!

[makkienator]

ESiR is overated:

Meet.The.Robinsons.2007.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7428/robins003hp3.png

so blur compared to

Meet.the.Robinsons.2007.BluRay.720p.x264.DTS-WiKi
http://xs231.xs.to/xs231/08371/vlcsnap-732516474.png

[anjelik]

Yes,interestingly WiKi releases are insane as PQ.

[Albo Da Kid]

wow WiKi's was so much better

[PlayeR]

you guys are too picky. if you look very closely, you can notice the difference.
but you dont do this when you're watching.

[Funkin']

I honestly do not see much of a difference. What is the difference that you guys are commenting on? All that I can see is that Esir's looks a little darker. But I'm not seeing this blur that makkienator commented on.

But yeah, as Player said, people are too picky. They both look nice and crisp and colorful.

[labuladuo]

wiki looks better because of sharpen filter,I'm sure ESiR is close to the source~

[wangyang]

wiki looks better because of sharpen filter,I'm sure ESiR is close to the source~
wiki :ermm: you are?

[makkienator]

I honestly do not see much of a difference. What is the difference that you guys are commenting on? All that I can see is that Esir's looks a little darker. But I'm not seeing this blur that makkienator commented on.

But yeah, as Player said, people are too picky. They both look nice and crisp and colorful.

Just watch books in the picture, you'll be surprised how much ESiR is worser then WiKi. WiKi dont release as often as ESiR, people mostly think ESiR is best cause they release the most, more then scene groups, their quantity is top, but quality not.

[Unstable1]

ESiR is overated:

Meet.The.Robinsons.2007.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7428/robins003hp3.png

so blur compared to

Meet.the.Robinsons.2007.BluRay.720p.x264.DTS-WiKi
http://xs231.xs.to/xs231/08371/vlcsnap-732516474.png




Those frames are different. Look at the size of the eyes in each picture. The Wiki one has bigger eyes therefor it is a different frame.

[makkienator]

Yep, but you can still see the diference in quality, its obvious.

[Unstable1]

Yes, I can see a difference, that's true.

What are the respective filesizes of each rip and what are the bitrates?

I've had a look on both HDBits and BitHDTV and can't find the Wiki release of Meet the Robinsons on either site.

[makkienator]

Length: 94 Mins
Size: 4.37 GB
Source: BluRay
Subtitles: English
Video resolution: 1280x720
Video format: x264
Video bitrate: 6614
Video framerate: 23.976 fps
Audio format: DTS
Audio bitrate: 1536 kbps
Audio: English

It will be on bithdtv during this day.

[Unstable1]

Length: 94 Mins
Size: 4.37 GB
Source: BluRay
Subtitles: English
Video resolution: 1280x720
Video format: x264
Video bitrate: 6614
Video framerate: 23.976 fps
Audio format: DTS
Audio bitrate: 1536 kbps
Audio: English

It will be on bithdtv during this day.

Thanks for the info.

And this is the info for the ESIR release:

RELEASE.NAME..: Meet.The.Robinsons.2007.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR
RELEASE.DATE..: 06.12.2007
THEATRE.DATE..: 23.3.2007 (UK - IMAX version)
RUNTiME.......: 1:34:30
SiZE..........: 4.06GB (Space left for an extra 448kbps soundtrack)
ViDEO.CODEC...: x264
FRAMERATE.....: 23.976
BiTRATE.......: 4638kbps
RESOLUTiON....: 1280x720 (16:9 full frame)
AUDiO.........: English DTS 5.1 1.5mbit
SUBTiTLES.....: English - ASS
SOURCE........: Meet the Robinsons Blu-ray 1080p AVC EU

I guess it's the video bitrate of the Wiki version that makes the difference (6614 vs 4638) although I'm no expert.

[Funkin']

^ Yeah, that's what it looks like. So maybe it is true the bigger the file size the better the quality? I don't know though, I'm not an expert either.




Just watch books in the picture, you'll be surprised how much ESiR is worser then WiKi. WiKi dont release as often as ESiR, people mostly think ESiR is best cause they release the most, more then scene groups, their quantity is top, but quality not.

You actually got me interested in Wiki's releases now, since I don't think I've downloaded many of theirs.(I usually grab Eureka's releases whenever I have the choice). I'm going to grab a copy of Meet the Robinson's from both groups(Wiki and Esir) and see how each look in motion. Unstable is right, those aren't the same frames, but Wiki's does look a little crisper and more vibrant. I wanna see them both in motion.

I'm glad you posted those.

[makkienator]

I uploaded now on bithdtv WiKi release, so who wants can grab, I posted same frames, and diference is lesser then on these pictures, so I apologies, but it is still little bit better, sharper, better colours.

[newswalker]

EuReKA is my favorite group. They have more releases than all other groups and they don't care about DVD-size at all (CRF). DXVA is a nice bonus "feature" too.

CtrlHD is a big group and the quality and type of encoding depends to much on the actual encoder. They are better than scene of course as almost all internal encoders are. Other good encoders/groups are: HDmonSK, iLL, DON, ESiR, M794, MMI, NiX, PerfectionHD

If you stick to those groups and to HDbits and Bit-HDTV, you'll get more than 80% of all available movies in great quality.

[makkienator]

EuReKA is my favorite group. They have more releases than all other groups and they don't care about DVD-size at all (CRF). DXVA is a nice bonus "feature" too.

CtrlHD is a big group and the quality and type of encoding depends to much on the actual encoder. They are better than scene of course as almost all internal encoders are. Other good encoders/groups are: HDmonSK, iLL, DON, ESiR, M794, MMI, NiX, PerfectionHD

If you stick to those groups and to HDbits and Bit-HDTV, you'll get more than 80% of all available movies in great quality.Thx for this, I already know for iLL, DON and NiX but in future I will pay attention to other groups you mentioned.

[lukee]

Thanks for teh infraction! Keep protecting the assholes that make the torrent sites hate FST, it's a great long-term plan!

Why does dunsom have disabled privs.? Hes one of the best users here...

[monkeylover]

Thanks for the info on this thread. I have been downloading all my fave movies as scene releases from TL and have sometimes been pretty disappointed by the quality compared to actual Blu-Ray / HD-DVD. Now I know there are better releases I am going to have to get myself onto hdbits by trading some invites when my initial 30 days here is up.

Feel like I have wasted over 100GB of DL though :(

[Funkin']

Now I know there are better releases I am going to have to get myself onto hdbits by trading some invites when my initial 30 days here is up.


Yeah...good luck with that.

[monkeylover]

Now I know there are better releases I am going to have to get myself onto hdbits by trading some invites when my initial 30 days here is up.


Yeah...good luck with that.

I take it we are well into tough territory to get in :cry:

[Unstable1]

Eureka > CtrlHD + ESIR > than any other group.

Eureka No1. ESiR and CtrlHD joint second.

[NeoBetas]

eureka > ctrlhd + esir > than any other group.

Eureka no1. Esir and ctrlhd joint second.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL:lol::lol::lol:

[2slick4u]

I think Esir i ok but looking at WiKi big difference by far better quality, which tracker has most of WiKi releases

[slymester]

I think Esir i ok but looking at WiKi big difference by far better quality, which tracker has most of WiKi releases

HDChina I believe

[saimer]

I think Esir i ok but looking at WiKi big difference by far better quality, which tracker has most of WiKi releases

HDChina is their HOME. You've just missed their open signup.

For 720p encodes ESiR is my choice. Just started downloading some WiKi releases, will need a better TV to see the difference. I actually want to see some comparison between these two groups and to source. Does anyone happen have any?
Also agree that CtrlHD's quality really depends on the actual encoders. I wasted 8G on their Leon 2 in 1 not long ago.

[2slick4u]

HDChina how often they open signups do they have English releases i guess i have to wait or get invited by some1 which i don't see it anyway i got that message thx for the info 已经正式封闭运行，采用邀请机制。如果您想加入，请找到能够邀请您进入本站的朋友。no clu what they saying why not make it simple CLOSED

[saimer]

HDChina how often they open signups do they have English releases i guess i have to wait or get invited by some1 which i don't see it anyway i got that message thx for the info 已经正式封闭运行，采用邀请机制。如果您想加入，请找到能够邀请您进入本站的朋友。no clu what they saying why not make it simple CLOSED

You've got it right. Same thing as it's a private site by invite only get an invite from a friend blahblahblah. :shifty:
Check back sticky post sites open for signup often and you'll get your chance. :fst:

[2slick4u]

thank you will check from time to time

[wevotedno]

EUREKA

ESIR
DON
CINEFILE
WIKI
CTRLHD
BESTHD
SINNERS


Stay away from


Septic
and all others

[hotshot6473]

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to HD. Scene groups shouldn't be on the list. And I hope that isnt in order of quality cause if it is I would just delete that post.

P.S. Why are you bumping this old thread

[yankeezfan1]

Ive downloaded mostly every group and Ive always found EuReKA releases to be the best of the best. The file sizes are huge, but the quality is the best your going to find. ESiR tries to make the files somewhat smaller, at the price of quality.

[realityhd]

*trolls for scene groups*

[pinn]

What bitrate of a compressed 720p and 1080p movie is good, and what's bad? Is it a good thing to compare releases with, if I just want quality?