Trackers rights to privacy..??

[jasperr]

In regards to the recent ongoing events involving THS .... I think the staff and pretty much most of the users here are unreasonable.. Why is it that there is no regard for a site anonymity?? Granted this is a site used for information but, if a tracker(new or old) has officially requested that they be nameless in any way, it should be respected... In the THS incident and all that follows it, this falls in this category.. Although both sides at this point maybe in the wrong with what they are doing, its clearly obvious that the staff(or at least some of them) object to such a review/info being posted.. The staff here st FST should respect that.. It's been made perfectly clear that the Staff at FST do not give a crap about the very sites that gets tendered here and thats pretty sad.
It's not just with THS or with picture reviews but, just in general. We have that stupid trade list, and the "NON-TRADE" list as well... it's how the staff handle decent requests about having site urls not being listed...Ect.. But, this isn't just the staff... many, many users here show on a dialy basis(sometimes more than once a day) how they don't give a crap about the sites they ask/trade for... peeps here break tracker rules every day... and all that they say is... this is fst, tracker rules don't apply here..they tracker rules are lame and the staff is stupid..
and what happends when they get caught/banned?... they come running back here and post all kinds of crap on how they were wronged... like its gonna freking help...lol

not all site mind what goes on here it seems.. All i'm saying is that perhaps if the staff and peeps cared more about their community(bittorrent) things and attitudes might be diferent.....

now, i know a bunch of peeps thinking they are either l33t or funny are gonna post some dumb crap.... but, at the end of the day.. you all know i'm right!

[jonsonica]

Excellent point of view... The staff here dont give a flying rat fuck about you or the sites....Its all about the Benjamins I think.Some of the users dont care about the sites either as long as they get their next trade......... who cares about the other users who they are exposing. Hence why I give them the same treatment they give me and my users... what comes around goes around.

[users]

fst doesn't care about trackers, just like trackers don't care about the law....its all good...

[jonsonica]

fst doesn't care about trackers, just like trackers don't care about the law....its all good...

If you dont like these trackers views on the law....Might I point out downloading off these trackers makes you as bad as you say the staff on them are does it not?

[jasperr]

this wasn't meant to be trash tread jonsinica :p .... the staff have said things like well, they don't respect us, why the hell should we respect them!?...

thats point point i'm trying to make here.... the staff and most of the users here NEVER respected the trackers(and this can be seen throughout the bittorrent section).. So, i think this mentality they have is kinda retarded.. if the FST staff wants a happy medium, they need to start meeting tracker staff half way.. POINT BLANK AND SIMPLE.. that would be the only way to avoid things like whats goin on with THS....
but alas... unless i'm wrong, i don't that happening anytime soon..


fst doesn't care about trackers, just like trackers don't care about the law....its all good...

if the tracker cared about the law, then you wouldn't be here and have what you have! :pinch:

again refrain from the dumb crap please!!!!



fst doesn't care about trackers, just like trackers don't care about the law....its all good...

If you dont like these trackers views on the law....Might I point out downloading off these trackers makes you as bad as you say the staff on them are does it not?

adding to what jonsonica said.... just so you know... the trackers don't having anything.. it's the users that have the files... so it's peeps like yourself are the lawbreakers... not the staff!! :frusty:

read up on how trackers really work!

[users]

fst doesn't care about trackers, just like trackers don't care about the law....its all good...

If you dont like these trackers views on the law....Might I point out downloading off these trackers makes you as bad as you say the staff on them are does it not?

yeah, but i'm not complaining...

[jonsonica]

I agree with you about meeting half way....Problem is they dont want to meet half way...The staff here dont want to negotiate with "terrorists" so to speak.They assume the staff have no leverage on them so they do what they want regaurding the sites they post about ect...I honestly think if they set some terms there would be more peace between alot of sites... but to be honest... Reality was trying to make peace between these sites over a year ago... in return for him dealing with the staff from various sites.... the users here were in return mad at reality... so its a lose lose situation... I think he figured just screw both ends and he still gets the same amount of $ in the end... and less headaches.

[IdolEyes787]

now, i know a bunch of peeps thinking they are either l33t or funny are gonna post some dumb crap.... but, at the end of the day.. you all know i'm right!

Now I am neither l33t or a peep for that matter and I doubt if many people here think I'm funny,but I just wanted to add jasperr that the real problem here is that people do not know you are right.

And jonsonica the terrorist analogy was apt since most of your minions actions here are directed against innocents.
I am not FST just a member here and rest assured if you can offer me any tangible proof why I shouldn't be I will quit in a second just like I did TopHos.

[jasperr]

I agree with you about meeting half way....Problem is they dont want to meet half way...The staff here dont want to negotiate with "terrorists" so to speak.They assume the staff have no leverage on them so they do what they want regaurding the sites they post about ect...I honestly think if they set some terms there would be more peace between alot of sites... but to be honest... Reality was trying to make peace between these sites over a year ago... in return for him dealing with the staff from various sites.... the users here were in return mad at reality... so its a lose lose situation... I think he figured just screw both ends and he still gets the same amount of $ in the end... and less headaches.


but his peace attempts were half-assed as the staff rarely enforced any of the rules on the users side..... but if tracker staff broke any of the rules they were slapped up and scolded for it.. Does that sound like a fair deal to you!? that's a no brainer on why it didn't pan out.. If your gonna have a decent place for all your gonna have to take some shit.. and the rest would have to deal with it or move on.. to be honest places like this are a dime a dozen now.. and many don't involve trading.. and thats still pretty bad, but theres a difference many of those places would be willing to work with tracker staff... unlike how it seems here...

as i said all it would take is for the staff to meet trackers half way and i'm sure there would be less headaches..

or they could always go back to being just a kazaa site... lmao

[jonsonica]

now, i know a bunch of peeps thinking they are either l33t or funny are gonna post some dumb crap.... but, at the end of the day.. you all know i'm right!

Now I am neither l33t or a peep for that matter and I doubt if many people here think I'm funny,but I just wanted to add jasperr that the real problem here is that people do not know you are right.

And jonsonica the terrorist analogy was apt since most of your minions actions here are directed against innocents.
I am not FST just a member here and rest assured if you can offer me any tangible proof why I shouldn't be I will quit in a second just like I did TopHos.

I never said you were FST.... if you didnt agree with what THS was doing... then I respect the fact you asked for your account to be disabled. Its all in each persons point of view. Nobody should try to make you do anything you dont want to do. They can post facts ect... but the decision itself to decide what your going to beleive and not beleive is always up to you.This site is fine... just some of the stuff they do is dumb... You can say the same about almost anywhere.

[Detale]

In regards to the recent ongoing events involving THS .... I think the staff and pretty much most of the users here are unreasonable..
Wow a little late no? That whole matter is being resolved and since you are not directly involved you do NOT know the whole story so you are making a judgment on what??


Why is it that there is no regard for a site anonymity?? Granted this is a site used for information but, if a tracker(new or old) has officially requested that they be nameless in any way, it should be respected... In the THS incident and all that follows it, this falls in this category..Ummm "Granted this is a site used for information" In short all sites would then request it and what information could we then share???


Although both sides at this point maybe in the wrong with what they are doing, its clearly obvious that the staff(or at least some of them) object to such a review/info being posted.. The staff here st FST should respect that.. It's been made perfectly clear that the Staff at FST do not give a crap about the very sites that gets tendered here and thats pretty sad. So now we should not only follow tracker rules but if any member of staff on any site objects to something we should do as they say?? It's simplistic to say staff here don't care about sites wishes. Things aren't as simply as you may think. There is no black and white correct answer here. Out of the many many trading forums out there we are FAR and above the rest. At least we try and work with the tracker staff and do what we can to be friendly. Other sites care far less and you would be banned there for posting like this.


It's not just with THS or with picture reviews but, just in general. We have that stupid trade list, and the "NON-TRADE" list as well... it's how the staff handle decent requests about having site urls not being listed...Ect..And how is that handled???



But, this isn't just the staff... many, many users here show on a dialy basis(sometimes more than once a day) how they don't give a crap about the sites they ask/trade for... peeps here break tracker rules every day... and all that they say is... this is fst, tracker rules don't apply here..they tracker rules are lame and the staff is stupid..
and what happends when they get caught/banned?... they come running back here and post all kinds of crap on how they were wronged... like its gonna freking help...lol

In fairness some users are like this but then get out there and try to tell them there is another way, don't sit idly by and bitch after the fact. It's like sitting in a messy room and saying "what a mess" that does nothing instead help clean it up.
1.this is fst, tracker rules don't apply here TRUE
2.they tracker rules are lame and the staff is stupid FALSE
3.they come running back here and post all kinds of crap on how they were wronged Again TRUE
4.like its gonna freking help FALSE

Tracker rules again only apply on their respective trackers again they do have different rules and no one can police all of the interwebs except maybe Ben :P Who said that tracker rules are lame and that the staff is stupid?? I must've missed that post do you have a link? Obviously you mean in a general way but how can you catagorize and generalize something so vast as an opinion on this? Again it's not that simple. It's easy to come on here and say "FST should respect trackers rules, but the flip side of that is why shouldn't trackers respect FST rules then?? What makes them better tan us that we should succomb to their ways and not the other way around?(Only a point not my personal point of view so tracker staff back off them hate keys :) ) Sometimes it does in fact help, if there was a misunderstanding or sometimes people are banned for no reason or by mistake. It happens maybe they shouldn't bitch if they were trading but again it's not that simple.


not all site mind what goes on here it seems.. All i'm saying is that perhaps if the staff and peeps cared more about their community(bittorrent) things and attitudes might be diferent.....Agreed, and if the community(bittorrent) cared more about FST then things and attitudes might also be diferent. Its a double edged sword here man, quite complex there are no one set of rules to go by no standard set by a group of elders nothing we do what we can for who we can.


now, i know a bunch of peeps thinking they are either l33t or funny are gonna post some dumb crap.... but, at the end of the day.. you all know i'm right! No I don't think you're right. I think it's easy to say what you've said and say that FST should respect tracker rules. The truth is there are TONS of politics involved and no matter what country you're from they are all he same complex webs of 99% bullshit. Why not try and come up with a set of rules you feel are suitable for all trackers and FST and see if you could get everyone to agree. Then you would see what I mean. You know what how bout just getting everyone to agree on just 1 single rule. Even on a rootamentry level not everyone is going to agree ego's aside it still won't happen.


Excellent point of view... The staff here dont give a flying rat fuck about you or the sites....Its all about the Benjamins I think.Some of the users dont care about the sites either as long as they get their next trade......... who cares about the other users who they are exposing. Hence why I give them the same treatment they give me and my users... what comes around goes around.

Wait you want to fuck a flying rat :(. Benjamins you say, well where's my freakin check!? I make NO money for this. I do this solely for the users. I have a wife, 3 kids, car payment, mortgage and my "alone time" is precious to me yet I come here to help out as many of us do. What exactly do you think the perks of this position are? Do you think I get invites thrown at me constantly? The truth is I mostly use Newsbins now anyway and my torrent days are few and far between. If I ever do need an invite to speak with staff there or something it's usually a hassle(B :) ) To say I don't care about the users is insulting and ignorant. Now you say "trackers rules" which tracker are you talking about because different trackers have different rules so you're going to need to be more specific. If we followed every trackers requests there would be nothing here for any or you THE USERS to bother with. We do what we can for those who are willing to be active in OUR community here. What comes around goes around eh? When will this be coming back around then??

I have 1 Fb invite. Pm

looking for Rp , revolt . or level 4 + something else...


EDIT:I just read a few posts while I was typing this out. We don't need another TH thread that is all being worked on so NO NEED TO STIR SHIT, Thanks

[jonsonica]

/me is curious about where its being worked on.......???

[Detale]

/me thinks unless you are Adam or Mel it's none of your business, and if you are Adam or Mel I'll speak to you later tonight when I have more time

Hmmm 2 guests reading this eh lol

[dunson]

1) Trackers do not have rights.
2) Only if you are a member of a tracker are you arguably obligated to follow their rules.
3) FST and the users here have no obligation to comply with a tracker's desire to remain anonymous.
4) Some of these sites that want to remain so anonymous are way too paranoid.

[Tokeman]

Why is it that there is no regard for a site anonymity?? Granted this is a site used for information but, if a tracker(new or old) has officially requested that they be nameless in any way, it should be respected... In the THS incident and all that follows it, this falls in this category..Ummm "Granted this is a site used for information" In short all sites would then request it and what information could we then share???



I think that sums it up nicely for those who don't want to read the whole thing...
Torrent section would be pretty pointless if it was reduced to demonoid and public tracker info only :(

[jasperr]

..... double post

[jasperr]

Wow a little late no? That whole matter is being resolved and since you are not directly involved you do NOT know the whole story so you are making a judgment on what??

actually no, i'm not since it's still going on to an extent...



Why is it that there is no regard for a site anonymity?? Granted this is a site used for information but, if a tracker(new or old) has officially requested that they be nameless in any way, it should be respected... In the THS incident and all that follows it, this falls in this category..Ummm "Granted this is a site used for information" In short all sites would then request it and what information could we then share???54

to be completely honest this site has lots of useful information for users/members and as i mentioned previously not all tackers mind this..



Although both sides at this point maybe in the wrong with what they are doing, its clearly obvious that the staff(or at least some of them) object to such a review/info being posted.. The staff here st FST should respect that.. It's been made perfectly clear that the Staff at FST do not give a crap about the very sites that gets tendered here and thats pretty sad. So now we should not only follow tracker rules but if any member of staff on any site objects to something we should do as they say?? It's simplistic to say staff here don't care about sites wishes. Things aren't as simply as you may think. There is no black and white correct answer here. Out of the many many trading forums out there we are FAR and above the rest. At least we try and work with the tracker staff and do what we can to be friendly. Other sites care far less and you would be banned there for posting like this.

(well, if you wanna ban me for making a open public contraversial discussion thread then i guess it would be your choice... but, i think you realise that i'm not out just FST bashing... and thats why you allowed it.)

I believe this falls into the category of what i was saying about meeting trackers half way(which i noticed that part was left out of your quotes)... its not just FST but some give/play would have to be expected on the part of the trackers staff also.. if both sides are stuborn on the issue?(whatever it happends to be) ... then all ya get is confrontation.. same concept as the trade non-trade battles that often errupt ....



It's not just with THS or with picture reviews but, just in general. We have that stupid trade list, and the "NON-TRADE" list as well... it's how the staff handle decent requests about having site urls not being listed...Ect..And how is that handled???

I cant say that you guys don't handle it at all, cuase that wouldn't be the whole truth... but, i can say it's rarely handled or better yet taken seriously when tracker staff request something




But, this isn't just the staff... many, many users here show on a dialy basis(sometimes more than once a day) how they don't give a crap about the sites they ask/trade for... peeps here break tracker rules every day... and all that they say is... this is fst, tracker rules don't apply here..they tracker rules are lame and the staff is stupid..
and what happends when they get caught/banned?... they come running back here and post all kinds of crap on how they were wronged... like its gonna freking help...lol

In fairness some users are like this but then get out there and try to tell them there is another way, don't sit idly by and bitch after the fact. It's like sitting in a messy room and saying "what a mess" that does nothing instead help clean it up.
1.this is fst, tracker rules don't apply here TRUE
2.they tracker rules are lame and the staff is stupid FALSE
3.they come running back here and post all kinds of crap on how they were wronged Again TRUE
4.like its gonna freking help FALSE

Tracker rules again only apply on their respective trackers again they do have different rules and no one can police all of the interwebs except maybe Ben :P Who said that tracker rules are lame and that the staff is stupid?? I must've missed that post do you have a link? Obviously you mean in a general way but how can you catagorize and generalize something so vast as an opinion on this?

Now, i guess your just playing with me here on this...??? correct? or are you just trying in a intellectual way saying i'm not knowing wtf i'm talking about here.... as far who said what about tracker rules and staff being lame.. i'm not about to justify that and waste time scanning .. theres answers like this from members all over in countless threads saying things similaure ... O.o


Again it's not that simple. It's easy to come on here and say "FST should respect trackers rules, but the flip side of that is why shouldn't trackers respect FST rules then?? What makes them better tan us that we should succomb to their ways and not the other way around?(Only a point not my personal point of view so tracker staff back off them hate keys :) ) Sometimes it does in fact help, if there was a misunderstanding or sometimes people are banned for no reason or by mistake. It happens maybe they shouldn't bitch if they were trading but again it's not that simple.

again i must mention the fact that this falls under the meet halfway category .... i think staff from trackers just might have a diferent view of things if staff at FST had a diferent view of things as well... it takes two sides for an aruguement... does Detale not know this... Oo



not all site mind what goes on here it seems.. All i'm saying is that perhaps if the staff and peeps cared more about their community(bittorrent) things and attitudes might be diferent.....Agreed, and if the community(bittorrent) cared more about FST then things and attitudes might also be diferent. Its a double edged sword here man, quite complex there are no one set of rules to go by no standard set by a group of elders nothing we do what we can for who we can.

perhaps but it needs to start somewhere's and there needs to be a middle ground for that.. could such a place exist on FST in your opinion??



now, i know a bunch of peeps thinking they are either l33t or funny are gonna post some dumb crap.... but, at the end of the day.. you all know i'm right! No I don't think you're right. I think it's easy to say what you've said and say that FST should respect tracker rules. The truth is there are TONS of politics involved and no matter what country you're from they are all he same complex webs of 99% bullshit. Why not try and come up with a set of rules you feel are suitable for all trackers and FST and see if you could get everyone to agree. Then you would see what I mean. You know what how bout just getting everyone to agree on just 1 single rule. Even on a rootamentry level not everyone is going to agree ego's aside it still won't happen.

that would never happen as you say... because such rules would never be enforced!.... it's only FST staff that would have to stick to their guns.... and in turn i'm sure FST would find more trackers not at odds and willing to cooperate more, instead of arguing all the time... everyone else would have to either deal or move on as said previously, IF such rules were to be made..
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[soulreaper]

3) FST and the users here have no obligation to comply with a tracker's desire to remain anonymous.


Incredibly well put and some people here are so bullheaded they simply can't come to terms with this simple truth.

And I'm very proud to be an FSTer for the above fact. ROCK ON FST!

[Disme]

1) Trackers do not have rights.
2) Only if you are a member of a tracker are you arguably obligated to follow their rules.
3) FST and the users here have no obligation to comply with a tracker's desire to remain anonymous.
4) Some of these sites that want to remain so anonymous are way too paranoid.

I agree 100% ... and the fact an 'unknown' tracker becomes 'known' here on FST is because some of the l33test members couldn't keep it quiet.
Just think about it...if you would create a tracker and invite only the best members that tracker would remain unknown ... it's the fault of one (a few) rotten apples within the BT-tracker that the existence of a tracker gets known.

Anyway ... some members of the TH staff, as well as some members of the FST staff have proven during this whole issue they should try to behave like adults, instead of children.:frusty:

Get your shit together in private, not in public :angry:

[RealitY]

What middlegrounds weve reached with trackers should be known to most. This includes filtering urls and removing them from screens and removing any members names form them. The issue that THS mentioned was a screen that had members names on it. The screen referred to was low quality and needed to be enlarged to read it. When looking there were no member names there. The screen was of the browse page. Not sure if members names are listed there or perhaps its an option to the posters. Since names werent in the screen would have thought the issue was sorted based on the complaint regarding it. Though sometimes any middleground is not enough. At any rate think we put in effort into finding such. The staffers at THS also suggested to do their own review to limit details from screens posted. The review thread is set so any member is able to post a review. If they want to do so they are welcome to.

Some middlegrounds weve attempted to reach with trackers is not know by most. Though given the amount of trackers we had to generalize how we dealt with this. Thats how the current middlegrounds were chosen such as those mentioned above. Some things we tried with staffers fell apart as some staffers wouldnt uphold agreements we had. This refers to things as allowing invite trades in turn for account trades not being allowed. This appeared fair at the time as most staffers mentioned their gripe being with account trades. This was functional for some time though eventually the layout was removed. Some staffers mentioned they felt forced into it even though we never demanded they agreed to such. We felt the CR layout was messy as did staffers so chose to remove it. However some felt they had always stuck to it and were also valued members on this site so we kept it for some with revisions.

The issue now appears to be reviews. As things move on there is always something else and your not going to please all. Not sure how any member on this site would suggest we dont try to find a middleground considering all thats happened unless they are simply unaware of it. Some staffers have posted their own reviews. Some have also posted here advertising their sites. Its strange when those sites later say they dont want others posting about their site or ask for a review to be removed. This also includes THS who had a banner here advertising open signups for ten days or so. Though we know sites change how they do things from time to time and sort these issues as they arise.

Though again we have to generalize how to deal with this as best were able to. We think the current layout offering removal of urls and members names from screens is fair. There are lots of sites that dont do that and for those that want to find any details theyre often easily found on search engines. To suggest a review being removed from FST is to keep a site with thousands of members off the map is giving this site a bit to much credit to begin with. As of now not sure what the situation with THS is other than Staff here is trying to sort it with them. Perhaps they will post their own review or find some other solution that is a fair middleground for all...

[Skiz]

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The issue now appears to be reviews. As things move on there is always something else and your not going to please all. Not sure how any member on this site would suggest we dont try to find a middleground considering all thats happened unless they are simply unaware of it. Some staffers have posted their own reviews. Some have also posted here advertising their sites. Its strange when those sites later say they dont want others posting about their site or ask for a review to be removed. This also includes THS who had a banner here advertising open signups for ten days or so. Though we know sites change how they do things from time to time and sort these issues as they arise.

Not to mention that all the screenshots they're been posting are links to tophos.org