REQ: HDBits or another HD Tracker

[EyeCandy]

Well, I recently just got my new HDTV which supports 1080i... Oh, yea :naughty:

So, I'm looking for an invite to HDBits or any other tracker that is specifically only High Definition...I mean, I would like to see what I paid for..:rolleyes:..

[UnderTaker23]

If you want hdbits.ro pm me

[ajsi]

also you can pm me for bit-hdtv at any time ;)

[dunson]

And I just sent you an invite to SceneHD so I guess you're freaking set for a bit dude.

[users]

Well, I recently just got my new HDTV which supports 1080i... Oh, yea :naughty:

So, I'm looking for an invite to HDBits or any other tracker that is specifically only High Definition...I mean, I would like to see what I paid for..:rolleyes:..

did you say 1080*I*?.

thats not hd....

[hotshot6473]

in what screwed up universe is 1080i not HD?

[EyeCandy]

....

[users]

in what screwed up universe is 1080i not HD?

a 1080i tv could only have 1280x720 resolution....

[EyeCandy]

Soooo...what? My tv isn't HD?

[users]

Soooo...what? My tv isn't HD?

well its slightly better than dvd...

[UnderTaker23]

Hdbits.ro invite sent :P

[erunestian]

Soooo...what? My tv isn't HD?

well its slightly better than dvd...

What are you talking about?!? :huh: 1080 is Full HD. i or p, it doesn't matter. Just stands for interlaced and progressive.

Of course it's high definition. Users, go study...

If you plan to connect your display to the pc I don't think you'll get HD. You have to write Blu-Ray discs...

[users]

well its slightly better than dvd...

What are you talking about?!? :huh: 1080 is Full HD. i or p, it doesn't matter. Just stands for interlaced and progressive.

Of course it's high definition. Users, go study...


Olevia 42" *1080i* LCD HDTV (http://www.amazon.com/Olevia-42%2522-1080i-HDTV-242T/dp/B000OY7Q04/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1222289725&sr=8-2)

resolution-1366x768

[ajsi]

^^^ and that's HD resolution isn't it?
or you refer to name of that TV? televisions with hd resolution are usually named HDTV if i am right(and i hope so)

[erunestian]

Check wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i

And a quote from the article:

"Of note, a very popular panel size used in mid-range HDTVs is 1366 x 768 and are often advertised as 1080i "compatible" or "HD ready" - however these TVs, while accepting a 1080i signal will scale it down to the panel size of 1366x768 as they are physically incapable of displaying 1920x1080 resolutions."

It just depends what TV he bought...

[EyeCandy]

This is the TV I bought....

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=209060&om_keycode=66

Shit...educate me...

[users]

This is the TV I bought....

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=209060&om_keycode=66

Shit...educate me...

says right on the page its 720p resolution, I assume thats 1280x1024...pal dvd isn't much lower at 1024x576...but yes, its technically hd...

[EyeCandy]

Yes, but it also has...


Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr ) Input(s) : 2 (Rear): 480i, 480p, 720/60p, 1080/60i

Which is how I watch my movies via Xbox/Xbox Media Center...

[erunestian]

You were right about this, users... :) And probably all the other 1080i "compatible" have the same resolution 1366x768.

Look what I've found here:

http://www.streetprices.com/TVs/LCD/26_inch/Sony-KDL26M4000-KDL26M4000-SP23625791.html

"This flatscreen LCD high-definition television, the 26" Sony KDL26M4000, has a 1080i display (1366x768 resolution)."

Well, it's HD, it's better than 720p but it's not full HD, you don't get the 1920x1080 resolution...

[alucarddl]

says right on the page its 720p resolution, I assume thats 1280x1024...pal dvd isn't much lower at 1024x576...but yes, its technically hd...

Just to clear the air, 720p resolution is: 1280x720 pixels

"Full" HD sets are 1920x1080 (and you will only ever hear these described as 1080p sets, though they support all of the other smaller formats and "upconvert" them to fit their full resolution). Broadcast standards are currently set at 1080i/720p. This is due to bandwidth/hardware restrictions and current capabilities of cable and satellite providers.

Currently, the only consumer product(s) that output "full" HD resolution are BluRay disc players (including some gaming consoles).

It's feasible to send a 1080p signal from other hardware (prosumer HD cameras, faster computers, etc.) but that's about it.

Kind of got off on a tangent there, but thought I would chime in on the discussion...

[lubu]

:unsure:I am very confused. I was planning to get one but I guess I need to study the technology before shelling out the money

[users]

says right on the page its 720p resolution, I assume thats 1280x1024...pal dvd isn't much lower at 1024x576...but yes, its technically hd...

Just to clear the air, 720p resolution is: 1280x720 pixels

"Full" HD sets are 1920x1080 (and you will only ever hear these described as 1080p sets, though they support all of the other smaller formats and "upconvert" them to fit their full resolution). Broadcast standards are currently set at 1080i/720p. This is due to bandwidth/hardware restrictions and current capabilities of cable and satellite providers.

Currently, the only consumer product(s) that output "full" HD resolution are BluRay disc players (including some gaming consoles).

It's feasible to send a 1080p signal from other hardware (prosumer HD cameras, faster computers, etc.) but that's about it.

Kind of got off on a tangent there, but thought I would chime in on the discussion...


actually, not true at alll...

1080i broadcasts actually give full 1920x1080 when decoded properly, so bluray is not the only source...

on hdbits there are plenty of tv caps at 1920x1080....what you say is a myth..

[hotshot6473]

Yes they give you that resolution but they are not full HD. 1080p resolution is the max available at this point, anything lower is simply not as high quality HD.

[users]

Yes they give you that resolution but they are not full HD. 1080p resolution is the max available at this point, anything lower is simply not as high quality HD.

:huh:

how is 1920x1080 not "full hd", its exactly the same as bluray...

[EyeCandy]

You were right about this, users... :) And probably all the other 1080i "compatible" have the same resolution 1366x768.

Look what I've found here:

http://www.streetprices.com/TVs/LCD/26_inch/Sony-KDL26M4000-KDL26M4000-SP23625791.html

"This flatscreen LCD high-definition television, the 26" Sony KDL26M4000, has a 1080i display (1366x768 resolution)."

Well, it's HD, it's better than 720p but it's not full HD, you don't get the 1920x1080 resolution...

Why would two different sites, give it different resolutions, capabilities?

[hotshot6473]

users go read about the difference between interlaced and progressive video. That should clear it up for you

[users]

users go read about the difference between interlaced and progressive video. That should clear it up for you


http://blog.hometheatermag.com/geoffreymorrison/0807061080iv1080p/

"When it comes to movies (as in HD DVD and Blu-ray) there will be no visible difference between the 1080i signal and the 1080p signal, as long as your TV correctly de-interlaces 1080i. So even if you could input 1080p, you wouldn't see a difference (because there is none)."

[EyeCandy]

So, the consensus is, 1080i is high definition

[hotshot6473]

yes it is but it is not TrueHD. In other words anything under 1080p is HD but is not TrueHD

[alucarddl]

yes it is but it is not TrueHD. In other words anything under 1080p is HD but is not TrueHD

It's all HD. What we are talking about are four formats:

-Progressive vs. Interlaced
-720 vs. 1080

Here's how that breaks down:

"Progressive" is a full frame. Think of it like a motion picture camera where one complete image is captured 24 times a second (24p, 24fps, however you want to say it). This is what the "p" stands for in 1080p and 720p.

"Interlaced" are two fields that are scanned and then combined to make a full frame, hence interlace (need a visual? Interlock your fingers on each hand so that the tips are touching the webbing on the opposite). This means that if you are watching a broadcast at 30fps (broadcast standard) that 60 "scans" are done in one second.

Now, sports are always broadcast in "Interlaced". This is due to the fact that there is less "artifacting" in interlaced shooting and interlaced shooting is more responsive to fast motion. You'll often hear about something called "motion trails" in advertisements for HDTVs. This has nothing to do with interlaced/progressive and has everything to do with the kind of TV you buy (DLP = fastest motion detection, Plasma = slowest, but the technology has progressed to a level that this motion issue is pretty moot).

Movies are almost always progressive. This is to achieve the "filmy" look.

So back to the HD discussion:

720i/p and 1080i/p are all considered HD formats. What you have to understand is that "HD" is really just an arbitrary term defining new technology. What we are really talking about is frame size. Standard definition formats are 720 x 480 or 640 x 480 or 720 x 534, etc.

High-def formats (for the purposes of this discussion, not relating to 2k and 4k scan technology or "Ultra-High def") are 1280 pixels x 720 pixels, or 1920 pixels x 1080 pixels. To put it in laymans terms, anything that has a vertical resolution greater than 720 pixels is generally deemed High-Def. You might have some derivations in there and might not see these numbers exactly on TVs, but these are the standards.

To my original point:

Broadcast standards (both satellite and cable) are 1080i and 720p. This is due to bandwidth restrictions and hardware capabilites on the PROVIDER's end. They simply do not have a cost-effective way to broadcast "Full Progressive" High-Def signals at 1920 x 1080. BUT they can broadcast at 1920 x 1080 if the signal is INTERLACED. So, while sports might come in at 1920 x 1080 INTERLACED, movies and some TV shows will most likely be at 720p.

So what does that mean to a consumer? Well, if you're buying an HDTV and you want to experience the "Full" High-Definition setup, you have to buy a TV who's "native resolution" is 1920 x 1080. This resolution currently runs the gamut of all formats currently available at the consumer level; if you have DirecTV you will be enjoying football at 1920 x 1080 INTERLACED, and if you have a BluRay player you will be enjoying your favorite flick at 1920 x 1080 PROGRESSIVE aka FULL FRAME.

Last thing: some people claim that you can't see a difference between a lot of 720p and 1080p signals/broadcasts. This is true for some, not the case for others. As with anything, it is purely a matter of taste and general perception. Most folks who have 1080p (1920 x 1080) sets are either purists or folks who had a lot of money to blow and got sold one by a home-theater consultant, because generally, the 1920 x 1080 native sets are more expensive. Also, don't confuse yourselves (in this case, it sounds hard, I know)...if you see a TV that says it is something like 720p/1080i and NOT 1080p, all that means is that it can display a 1080i signal (downsized for your pixel resolution). This DOES NOT MEAN you are watching the signal at it's full resolution of 1920 x 1080. It means you are watching the signal at your TV's full resolution, whatever that may be.

Whew! Hope that clears some things up.



"When it comes to movies (as in HD DVD and Blu-ray) there will be no visible difference between the 1080i signal and the 1080p signal, as long as your TV correctly de-interlaces 1080i. So even if you could input 1080p, you wouldn't see a difference (because there is none)."

Just a side note, this is absolutely untrue. I don't know what the guy in this article was trying to say, but there is DEFINITELY a difference between 1080p and 1080i, both from a look and feel standpoint and a bandwidth standpoint.

[EyeCandy]

From my understanding, 720p is a better resolution than 1080i due to the fact of 1080i being interlaced. It splits the picture and only displays half at a time so its 540 not 1080. It switches so fast our eyes can not see it unless there is a lot of fast movement. 720p is progressive and it displays the whole picture the whole time. So technically it goes 480i, 480p. 1080i, 720p, 1080p

[alucarddl]

From my understanding, 720p is a better resolution than 1080i due to the fact of 1080i being interlaced. It splits the picture and only displays half at a time so its 540 not 1080. It switches so fast our eyes can not see it unless there is a lot of fast movement. 720p is progressive and it displays the whole picture the whole time. So technically it goes 480i, 480p. 1080i, 720p, 1080p

Technically speaking, this is not really true. Comparing interlaced (for this example 1080i) to progressive (for this example 720p) is kind of like comparing apples and oranges. While you could make the argument that 720p is more of a "complete" picture, it is unfounded to compare it to 1080i.

Reason being, you have to consider what you are watching to decide which format is "better" for your given programming. For example, I wouldn't want to watch sports in 720p, because it would look and feel weird (not to mention impractical, given that 1080i represents fast motion better than progressive formats)...sports have always been shot interlaced and displaying them as progressive would be just odd. For the same reason, movies are shot in progressive because they're supposed to feel different.

Always consider the content! There is no definitive answer here.

And as a side note, "resolution" is defined as pixel depth, so your argument about 720p having a better resolution that 1080i is false. 720p is 1280x720, whereas 1080i is 1920x1080. But again, read my last post...I make note of the breakdowns there.

[kooltilldend]

a perfect example of a thread going down the dump lol

[Groovy]

From my understanding, 720p is a better resolution than 1080i due to the fact of 1080i being interlaced. It splits the picture and only displays half at a time so its 540 not 1080. It switches so fast our eyes can not see it unless there is a lot of fast movement. 720p is progressive and it displays the whole picture the whole time. So technically it goes 480i, 480p. 1080i, 720p, 1080p

Technically speaking, this is not really true. Comparing interlaced (for this example 1080i) to progressive (for this example 720p) is kind of like comparing apples and oranges. While you could make the argument that 720p is more of a "complete" picture, it is unfounded to compare it to 1080i.

Reason being, you have to consider what you are watching to decide which format is "better" for your given programming. For example, I wouldn't want to watch sports in 720p, because it would look and feel weird (not to mention impractical, given that 1080i represents fast motion better than progressive formats)...sports have always been shot interlaced and displaying them as progressive would be just odd. For the same reason, movies are shot in progressive because they're supposed to feel different.

Always consider the content! There is no definitive answer here.

And as a side note, "resolution" is defined as pixel depth, so your argument about 720p having a better resolution that 1080i is false. 720p is 1280x720, whereas 1080i is 1920x1080. But again, read my last post...I make note of the breakdowns there.
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Whatever it is at least we learn something reading all these posts thank u guys to spare your precious time:)

[alucarddl]

Whatever it is at least we learn something reading all these posts thank u guys to spare your precious time:)

You're quite welcome. I really like talking about this stuff (cause it's part of my industry) and I'm glad some folks can learn a thing or two. It'll definitely help your decision when it comes time to pull the trigger on a new HDTV. :yahoo:

[Funkin']

For sure. I'm really happy this thread was created. Lol. I learned quite a bit from it, and I think alucarddl for that.

Personally, I am fine with 720p. I'm buying my HDTV in a couple weeks, and I've been waiting until i've really read up on all this. And I've been watching tons of 720p movies on my computer, and they are absolutely beautiful. So I honestly think I'll be fine with just a 720p tv, plus it would save me money. But then again, if I think 720p is that pretty, than 1080p has to be even prettier(right? or is it not that much of a difference, as I've seen others say)...but is going to cost more money. So I've been shopping around.

Yeah, but anyways, thanks again to alucarddi for all the info.

[EyeCandy]

Technically speaking, this is not really true. Comparing interlaced (for this example 1080i) to progressive (for this example 720p) is kind of like comparing apples and oranges. While you could make the argument that 720p is more of a "complete" picture, it is unfounded to compare it to 1080i.

Reason being, you have to consider what you are watching to decide which format is "better" for your given programming. For example, I wouldn't want to watch sports in 720p, because it would look and feel weird (not to mention impractical, given that 1080i represents fast motion better than progressive formats)...sports have always been shot interlaced and displaying them as progressive would be just odd. For the same reason, movies are shot in progressive because they're supposed to feel different.

Always consider the content! There is no definitive answer here.

And as a side note, "resolution" is defined as pixel depth, so your argument about 720p having a better resolution that 1080i is false. 720p is 1280x720, whereas 1080i is 1920x1080. But again, read my last post...I make note of the breakdowns there.

While I agree with your overall point, your claim that sports are better shown in interlaced format is a little off. Any high-motion event is going to have fewer motion artifacts if it is both videoed ("filmed") with a progressive camera, and broadcast in a progressive format. An interlaced camera will result in combing during high motion scenes when viewed at 30 fps on a standard HDTV.

Movies are inherently progressive not because they're supposed to "feel different" but because celluloid film is by it's nature a progressive source. Movie film cameras record to celluloid film at 24fps, and each image is captured "all at once" not scanned (as is the case with video). So really even the term "progressive" is misleading when referring to film, because "progressive" implies some sort of scanning, and film frames are exposed in their entirety all at once.

It's debatable whether sports are better in 720p or 1080i. 1080i will result in more motion artifacts when viewed at the standard ~30 frames per second on a home HDTV than 720p at 30fps. But when viewed field-by-field at 60Hz (say by an instant replay judge?) each field will have higher resolution in 1080i than 720p, thus 1080i might make instant replay calls more accurate.