Do You Think You're A Criminal?

[This is it]

erhhhhh!!!!!

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by This is it@5 September 2003 - 01:03
Downloading copyrighted music is obviously illegal
hmmm...gotta stop you there
not illegal, copyright infringement
i was flamed for that before

edit: it doesn't seem like anyone outside the jurisdiction of the riaa is scared...wonder why?

[This is it]

so copyright infringement is legal?

[Mr. Sherman]

Here is an excerpt from an interview I gave on June 27 2003:

Music companies vow to sue hundreds of internet users

The embattled US music industry has disclosed plans for an unprecedented escalation in its fight against internet piracy, threatening to sue hundreds of individual computer users who illegally share music files online.

The Recording Industry Association of America, citing significant sales declines, said it would begin yesterday to search internet file-sharing networks to identify music fans who offer "substantial" collections of MP3 song files for downloading.

It expects to file at least several hundred lawsuits seeking financial damages within eight to 10 weeks.

Executives for the RIAA, the Washington-based lobbying group that represents major labels, would not say how many songs on a user's computer might qualify for a lawsuit.

The new campaign comes just weeks after US appeals court rulings requiring internet providers to identify subscribers suspected of illegally sharing music and movie files.

The RIAA's president, Cary Sherman, said tens of millions of internet users of popular file-sharing software would expose themselves to "the real risk of having to face the music". He said the RIAA planned only to file lawsuits against internet users in the United States.

"It's stealing. It's both wrong and illegal," Mr Sherman said. Alluding to the court decisions, he said internet users who believed they could hide behind an alias online were mistaken. "You are not anonymous," he said. "We're going to begin taking names."

Shopping at a Virgin Megastore in San Francisco, Jason Yoder, 30, was planning to delete file-sharing software he uses from his home computer because of the new lawsuit threat. He acknowledged using the internet recently to find a copy of a rare 1970s soul recording, but he agreed that illegal downloads should be curtailed.

"It's sort of like a serial drunk driver has to have their licence taken away at some point," he said.

Sharman Networks Ltd, which makes the popular Kazaa software and operates one of the world's largest file-sharing networks, said in a statement: "It is unfortunate that the RIAA has chosen to declare war on its customers by engaging in protracted and expensive litigation."

Mr Sharman said it was interested in a business relationship with music labels and could protect their songs from illegal downloads using technology.

Country songwriter Hugh Prestwood, who has worked with Randy Travis, Trisha Yearwood and Jimmy Buffett, likened the RIAA's effort to a roadside police officer on a busy highway.

"It doesn't take too many tickets to get everybody to obey the speed limit," he said.

Critics accused the RIAA of resorting to heavy-handed tactics likely to alienate millions of internet file-sharers.

"This latest effort really indicates the recording industry has lost touch with reality completely," said Fred von Lohmann, a lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "Does anyone think more lawsuits are going to be the answer? Today they have declared war on the American consumer."

Mr Sherman disputed that consumers, who are gradually turning to legitimate websites to buy music legally, would object to the industry's latest efforts against pirates.

"You have to look at exactly who are your customers," he said. "You could say the same thing about shoplifters - are you worried about alienating them? All sorts of industries and retailers have come to the conclusion that they need to be able to protect their rights. We have come to the same conclusion."

Mike Godwin of Public Knowledge, a consumer group that has challenged broad crackdowns on file-sharing networks, said Wednesday's announcement was appropriate because it targeted users illegally sharing copyrighted files.

"I wouldn't be surprised if at least some people engaged in file-trading decide to resist and try to find ways to thwart the litigation strategy," he said.

The entertainment industry has gradually escalated its fight against piracy. The RIAA has previously sued four college students it accused of making thousands of songs available for illegal downloading on campus networks. But Wednesday's announcement was the first effort to target users who offer music on broadly accessible, public networks.

The Motion Picture Association of America said it supported the efforts, but notably did not indicate it plans to file large numbers of civil lawsuits against internet users who trade movies online.

MPAA Chief Jack Valenti said in a statement it was "our most sincere desire" to find technology solutions to protect digital copies of movies.

The RIAA said its lawyers would file lawsuits initially against people with the largest collections of music files they can find online.

US copyright laws allow for damages of $US750 ($1124) to $US150,000 ($224,786) for each song offered illegally on a person's computer, but Mr Sherman said the RIAA would be open to settlement proposals from defendants.

We are not "threatening individuals", Mr. This is it, but rather we are "promising" to take Full Legal Action.

You said, "I'm not saying I don't download music...". I'm glad to have a nice screen-shot of that - it makes my job much easier.

How do I feel? - I think you already know.

Sincerely,

Mr. Sherman

[Gutter]

I'm not going to try and justify the process of downloading anything that has a copyright. What it comes down to is that your getting something for free when you should be paying for it. Your paying your ISP but not the companies and artist your riping off.

Personally I'll call myself a pirate :pirate: before i call myself criminal :ph34r:

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by This is it@5 September 2003 - 01:08
so copyright infringement is legal?
not for me to decide is it?

[This is it]

I don't really care about your propaganda interviews

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Mr. Sherman@5 September 2003 - 01:13
US copyright laws allow for damages of $US750 ($1124) to $US150,000 ($224,786) for each song offered illegally on a person's computer, but Mr Sherman said the RIAA would be open to settlement proposals from defendants.
"5) Those few people that got 'caught' usually only received a warning letter. There are only a few cases known of people who actually got a fine. The highest one was $7,500 for some student that was sharing 1 MILLION mp3 files."

why should the riaa settle for such a comparitively small amount when they are apparently entitled to an exponentionally larger sum?

oh, and i'll say it again, i'm in the uk...:P

[Gutter]

If I got a warning letter I'm sure I would not stop file sharing.
I'd just be sure I know who I'm downloading from, and uploading to.

Keep up the hard work mr. sherman :lol:

[Celerystalksme]

There is to much reading to do in these posts...

[Adster]

How amny time do I have to tell people??

MP3 is known as data so downloading data is not ilegal :lol:

unless its Mettalica of course becasue Metallica are the only group who owns the copyright for MP3s

[Gutter]

Originally posted by Hogster@5 September 2003 - 02:13
How amny time do I have to tell people??

MP3 is known as data so downloading data is not ilegal :lol:

unless its Mettalica of course becasue Metallica are the only group who owns the copyright for MP3s
:lol: :D
Damn that grumpy little drummer boy Lars
That's what happens after years of the other band members getting laid everynight.

[Celerystalksme]

Do You Think You're A Criminal?

Yes...

Thats because i stole shit from a conveniance store when i was 10...Also i broke the law with Underage Drinking, Smoking, Sex...and yeah i won't go on...

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+4 September 2003 - 20:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 4 September 2003 - 20:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mr. Sherman@5 September 2003 - 01:13
US copyright laws allow for damages of &#036;US750 (&#036;1124) to &#036;US150,000 (&#036;224,786) for each song offered illegally on a person&#39;s computer, but Mr Sherman said the RIAA would be open to settlement proposals from defendants.
"5) Those few people that got &#39;caught&#39; usually only received a warning letter. There are only a few cases known of people who actually got a fine. The highest one was &#036;7,500 for some student that was sharing 1 MILLION mp3 files." [/b][/quote]
Will &#036;10 do? :lol:

[Oregonian]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@5 September 2003 - 04:20
Will &#036;10 do? :lol:
lol :lol: :P :lol: :P :lol: :lol: :lol:
Great Funky Capricorn &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
Good one.

[Adster]

ok I remember someone saying that if your don&#39;t have the money you have to pay it like 10 bucks a week that is total bullshit what happens is you have to do a day in gail for every 100 bucks. so 7 days jail will be 700 bucks payed off btw Im not joking. it seems like ppl onm this board don&#39;t know the law I also found out that it is in fact legal to rip a bought copy of your OWN material and put it on your HD for your personal use it is still Ilegal to do that I argued with my teacher for hrs abou tit but he gave me the law on paper.

But it is different for other countrys I guess too

[Jay]

Originally posted by This is it@5 September 2003 - 02:03
erhhhhh&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
no

[k-liteuserintheworld]

Originally posted by Hogster@5 September 2003 - 04:34
ok I remember someone saying that if your don&#39;t have the money you have to pay it like 10 bucks a week that is total bullshit what happens is you have to do a day in gail for every 100 bucks.
cool, who is this gail and what does she look like, didn&#39;t know there was bonuses to have for downloading music http://www.katlurkin.com/smiley/animated/smiley4/boogie3.gif

[wormless]

man i already no tht its old news.i think ppl do no the law its jus they not scared or they r jus not showing it.

[Celerystalksme]

me is fearless...

RIAA don&#39;t mean shit to me

and i will quote eminem for the first and last time ever


Ima Criminal

[Adster]

In case you don&#39;t know Aussies spell jail Gail not the yank way

[Celerystalksme]

Originally posted by Hogster@5 September 2003 - 15:06
In case you don&#39;t know Aussies spell jail Gail not the yank way
omg hogster spelt something right :o :lol:

and yes we have to go to jail if we get caught don&#39;t we??

shit :(

[Adster]

I always spell good I just can&#39;t type for shit

[sabbath]

Originally posted by Mr. Sherman@5 September 2003 - 03:13
"It doesn&#39;t take too many tickets to get everybody to obey the speed limit," he said.
Guys. tell me sth: This applies to the U.S.A.? I hope not, I think not.

"Born to be wild"...

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+5 September 2003 - 02:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 5 September 2003 - 02:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by This is it@5 September 2003 - 01:08
so copyright infringement is legal?
not for me to decide is it? [/b]
No, it isn&#39;t. It&#39;s up to the courts, and they&#39;ve already made their decision... Or did you miss the past 3-odd years?

<!--QuoteBegin-Hogster@5 September 2003 - 03:13
MP3 is known as data so downloading data is not ilegal :lol:[/quote]
I really hope that :lol: means you&#39;re joking, because if it doesn&#39;t... man... that&#39;s unbelievably idiotic.

Do I consider myself a criminal? By current definition, yes. However, we all know that resistance to laws that the majority of citizens feel are unethical, have, and will cause such laws to be rethought, or even repealed...