Most hardcore traders are from Egypt and India?

[pisipisi]

I've seen lots of traders,really hardcore traders who are harvesting lots of high level accs.And they are mainlt from Egypt and India. What are the aims of them?I mean,I know some guys who has 4 U*-* accs or more than 2 E**** accs .And why these countries have lots of traders?

PS:I am not trying to be racist or something worst,I just want your opinions....

[RD22S]

i don't understand why anybody would have muliple accounts on the same site... There aim, probably cheating

[Totti]

ht reason for multiple sites is pretty obvious more "trading currency" for other more elite sites that might pop up all the sudden. As for the majority of trader being Egyptian or Indian i think yo just have met a large number of them all the sudden trading is done by people from all over the place just a coincidence

[bladesharp]

1 billion people , 100+ torrent sites , a very good amount of users..

yeah from India may be more :D both traders and non traders

[Cabalo]

don't forget to add the chinese in there.

egypt is by far the country with most traders and cheaters, seconded by china.

[RedRansom]

i don't understand why anybody would have muliple accounts on the same site... There aim, probably cheating
cheating and mostly for trading(selling) and a little for secure :P

[apextwin146]

India? R u sure?
I barely meet ppl who are interested in torrents in most of the Top Indian forums .. Forget abt them being traders most of them are not even interested in torrents/p2p ..
This is majorly because of the fact that even till now most of the indians have 128 kbps internet connection ..Most of the ppl whom i get into pvt trackers leave as they find it tough to sustain a healthy ratio ..
In india most of the users prefer Rapidshare and swear by it .. Chk the web if u can find any high profile indian file sharing sites ..
Bty do u have any fuckin facts to support your statement ..
You very well knw before posting that this would be a very controversial topic and yet you choose to post this shit ..
If u r not trying to be a Racist and what r ur intentions of making a thread like this ?
How the fuck would anyones opinion matter here and more importantly why the fuck would you want to knw other pls opinion?

[arkan]

dunno about traders... But many people in India are getting to know about seedboxes and are finally able to afford them...

This is making many people try to get into private trackers by looking for invites.

I am from India and none of my friends have dupe accounts or cheat...

[Islander_IBG]

india lol

thts the fnniest most of them dont even know at torrents and they knew they r just members of open signup trackers lol

only few advanced Indain BT users r avaibale currently ;)

[sexten]

It's probably because India and Egypt in particular is also "hardcore" invite/account sellers...

[RadiancE]

1 billion people , 100+ torrent sites , a very good amount of users..

yeah from India may be more :D both traders and non traders

oO, i dont think i ever disabled a trader from China. India isnt that common too.

My personal top 3 would be:

1. Egypt
2. Poland
3. Israel

[maldini 3]

1 billion people , 100+ torrent sites , a very good amount of users..

yeah from India may be more :D both traders and non traders

oO, i dont think i ever disabled a trader from China. India isnt that common too.

My personal top 3 would be:

1. Egypt
2. Poland
3. Israel
I agree with you , and about the cheaters :sick: :
1. Israel
2. Egypt

i think this is the reason of the net speed there , also there are no ways to pay a seedbox fro example...

[anjelik]

I know Egyptian speeds sucks.But what about Israel?Speeds at there bad?

[Vitality]

1 billion people , 100+ torrent sites , a very good amount of users..

yeah from India may be more :D both traders and non traders

oO, i dont think i ever disabled a trader from China. India isnt that common too.

My personal top 3 would be:

1. Egypt
2. Poland
3. Israel

Good to see u here RadiancE

[Presto]

It might have something to do with the fact that the trading culture is still very actual and popular in Egypt and India at this very day.

[womanizer]

they trade for fun

[pisipisi]

It might have something to do with the fact that the trading culture is still very actual and popular in Egypt and India at this very day.
:lol:

[PunX]

ban them all

[integral]

The main reason isn't the "net speed", it's simply because it's a cheater/trader culture there. The majority of them have no etiquette or manner education from their parents, thus they are the way they are. It's evident especially in Egypt, where a lot of credit card fraud takes place, as well.

[Ac3Dunk]

you r right abt Egyptian, but u forget that the worst cheaters and hardcore traders r from Isreal I seen a lot of em in torrent support channels beggin for their accounts to get enabled.
infact, The first country thats was banned in bittorrent was Isreal, followed by poland, Egypt and brazil ;).

[Crutavv]

cheater/trader culture there

what about your culture? :wacko: ouu sorry, you are from USA,
I know, you are the best :rolleyes:

[maldini 3]

The main reason isn't the "net speed", it's simply because it's a cheater/trader culture there. The majority of them have no etiquette or manner education from their parents, thus they are the way they are. It's evident especially in Egypt, where a lot of credit card fraud takes place, as well.
I completely disagree with you , why do ppl cheat where they have a fast connection ?! :blink:
ppl cheat for two reasons :
to fix the Ratio
to reach user classes
and these can be only done with a fast connection or seedbox wich is not available too

[anjelik]

The main reason isn't the "net speed", it's simply because it's a cheater/trader culture there. The majority of them have no etiquette or manner education from their parents, thus they are the way they are. It's evident especially in Egypt, where a lot of credit card fraud takes place, as well.
I completely disagree with you , why do ppl cheat where they have a fast connection ?! :blink:
ppl cheat for two reasons :
to fix the Ratio
to reach user classes
and these can be only done with a fast connection or seedbox wich is not available too
Polish users have 100/100 mbits,but they are still cheating.I think it is due to personality,not culture(except Egyptians:lol:,thanks "integral" for your infos)

[naikon]

guys please do not interfere with ppls religion, education and parents like integral said :(

@ anjelik - polish users dont have that speeds, a lot of them just use a seedboxes

it doesnt matter where are you from (.il / .pl / .it / .se ), if you play fair you will not cheat. it depend only from YOU! remember that guys.

[elektROnik]

It might have something to do with the fact that the trading culture is still very actual and popular in Egypt and India at this very day.

:lol:

This was rude but i couldn't help it.. :shutup:

[th0r]

I know some guys who has more than 2 E**** accs.no you don't

[madmarvel]

The main reason isn't the "net speed", it's simply because it's a cheater/trader culture there. The majority of them have no etiquette or manner education from their parents, thus they are the way they are. It's evident especially in Egypt, where a lot of credit card fraud takes place, as well.

and Who the hell Have told you so Hah !!!!!!!!!!

Have you been in Egypt for a second to say so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that really disgusting

If you really want to Known about the cheating culture go to your country and you will see it up on you own eyes every where...
and ask your dady :01: and he might told you about how to be an expert
credit card thief
yaaaaaaa

and about the etiquette or manner education from their parents I think you have to begin find out exactly what was your parents do before you came out to this place :naughty:

Dont begin shitting :pinch: so you dont make the others do so :D
ok:dry:

[Cabalo]

i have been at egypt... and trading (not as invite trading) is in your blood... i had to bargain each piece of souvenirs i bought.
it's part of the culture and i was told that in advance, so i kinda enjoyed the whole bargaining when shopping (and try to rip off as much as possible the tourists, but that's part of the game).

same happened in morocco, for example.

[madmarvel]

i have been at egypt... and trading (not as invite trading) is in your blood... i had to bargain each piece of souvenirs i bought.
it's part of the culture and i was told that in advance, so i kinda enjoyed the whole bargaining when shopping (and try to rip off as much as possible the tourists, but that's part of the game).

same happened in morocco, for example.


If you are Talking about Trading in that manner
yes of course

Egypt and the other neighbor countries known from the first light of the history with trade

all the world came to Egypt to make trade to take the most wonderful things that was never been at their home

trading is legal thing in that manner but Some people here:dry: think that every thing in the world is a souvenir thing that you can have without any pain

the point is that you cant make JUDGMENT UPON COUNTRY because some of them are bad
and that's goes to all the countries

[Artemis]

In the end unless you are senior site staff on one of the concerned trackers (and some have posted here) then your opinion is going to be subjective and biased along your own personal beliefs. For instance stoi has only ever really had trouble with one country because of the specialised nature of his tracker, so I think a certain amount of cultural bias maybe part of the mix.
In the end though unless you have access to the statistical breakdown from a trackers logs then you are simply whistling in the dark on this one.

[madmarvel]

:dry:

[Detale]

WOW to think we could get all these ignorant people in one thread. Guys the simple fact here is that there is no single race or nation of people who are traders/cheaters. To say otherwise is amazingly stupid. Some of you are bordering on an infraction so watch the racist chit chat this will not be tolerated anywhere on FST. Thanks


In the end unless you are senior site staff on one of the concerned trackers (and some have posted here) then your opinion is going to be subjective and biased along your own personal beliefs. For instance stoi has only ever really had trouble with one country because of the specialised nature of his tracker, so I think a certain amount of cultural bias maybe part of the mix.
In the end though unless you have access to the statistical breakdown from a trackers logs then you are simply whistling in the dark on this one.

Well said man

[madmarvel]

thats the talk
yaa

some how you have to be more wisely if any one is going to talk about the others

[stoi]

For Cheats on BCG.

1. Brazil just for the huge amount of them we used to get.
2. Israel (We even had an uploader that was cheting on his own uploaded torrents, and all of his invite tree was cheating as well)

Dupe Accounts:

1: Brazil, dont know why we attract them lol
2: Mixture of all the other countries

Traders/sellers:

Ones we have caught, from all over, i dont think there is one country that stands out for us.

Like i said, that is just for BCG, other tracker will have different statistics on countries.

But i will say, we have not banned Brazil, we just stopped open sign ups.

Thats the way i look at this, you make more work for us, we make it harder for everyone to get in, but none are banned, so you can get in if you can.

[th0r]

For instance stoi has only ever really had trouble with one country because of the specialised nature of his trackerso, there have been more brazilian and israeli cheaters because they like video games more than americans or aussies or middle easterners do?

i totally get your point, fartemis, i just like to nit-pick

[jbloggs]

ok, I have 3 goats, anyone one have a TL invite :) err no really, anyone?

[Albo Da Kid]

I have to say indians are the slippery ones. They love scamming and trading. look at the banned list in FST. It's full of indians.

[integral]

It's not always racism guys. Sometimes it's a numbers game. Time to wipe the tears away, and wake up and smell the coffee, torrent community. ;)



The main reason isn't the "net speed", it's simply because it's a cheater/trader culture there. The majority of them have no etiquette or manner education from their parents, thus they are the way they are. It's evident especially in Egypt, where a lot of credit card fraud takes place, as well.

and Who the hell Have told you so Hah !!!!!!!!!!

Have you been in Egypt for a second to say so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that really disgusting

If you really want to Known about the cheating culture go to your country and you will see it up on you own eyes every where...
and ask your dady :01: and he might told you about how to be an expert
credit card thief
yaaaaaaa

and about the etiquette or manner education from their parents I think you have to begin find out exactly what was your parents do before you came out to this place :naughty:

Dont begin shitting :pinch: so you dont make the others do so :D
ok:dry:

Why would I need to go to Egypt to figure out what goes on there? :frusty:

[Artemis]

For instance stoi has only ever really had trouble with one country because of the specialised nature of his trackerso, there have been more brazilian and israeli cheaters because they like video games more than americans or aussies or middle easterners do?

i totally get your point, fartemis, i just like to nit-pick

It's alright turd, I'm used to nits.........

[Crutavv]

It's not always racism guys. Sometimes it's a numbers game.

first, I don't wanna to fight here...
-
but it is your view, how show your sig too, you are proud to be mathematician... I feel myself on lowest level of your "hierarchy", so I prefer to look for people as an individuals...

[bladesharp]

I have to say indians are the slippery ones. They love scamming and trading. look at the banned list in FST. It's full of indians.


if you got scammed by an indian doest mean , all indians are scammers

* LOL kidding

:D

[Detale]

It's not always racism guys. Sometimes it's a numbers game. Time to wipe the tears away, and wake up and smell the coffee, torrent community. ;)


OK and what gives you the right to say such things then? Do you have all the stats from all the BT sites all over the globe then? If so bravo that is some orsum access you have there.

[madmarvel]

Why would I need to go to Egypt to figure out what goes on there?
::

OK and what gives you the right to say such things then? Do you have all the stats from all the BT sites all over the globe then? If so bravo that is some orsum access you have there.

[integral]

It's not always racism guys. Sometimes it's a numbers game. Time to wipe the tears away, and wake up and smell the coffee, torrent community. ;)


OK and what gives you the right to say such things then? Do you have all the stats from all the BT sites all over the globe then? If so bravo that is some orsum access you have there.

So I guess you're calling the ScT staff (which I've seen you praise frequently) racist, since they've banned a few countries.

The "right" I have is freedom of speech. I never said the majority of any country was a trader, which would be stupid, considering that India has over a billion people in it. I drew my opinion from the fact that several sites have similar countries banned.

Therefore, any gripe anyone has, including our resident linguist "madmarvel", with specific countries being banned from multiple torrent sites, should be directed at those who have banned the countries, not me. Just because I feel comfortable with voicing my opinion about why certain countries are banned from multiple websites, does not make me a racist.

[apextwin146]

OK and what gives you the right to say such things then? Do you have all the stats from all the BT sites all over the globe then? If so bravo that is some orsum access you have there.

So I guess you're calling the ScT staff (which I've seen you praise frequently) racist, since they've banned a few countries.

The "right" I have is freedom of speech. I never said the majority of any country was a trader, which would be stupid, considering that India has over a billion people in it. I drew my opinion from the fact that several sites have similar countries banned.

Therefore, any gripe anyone has, including our resident linguist "madmarvel", with specific countries being banned from multiple torrent sites, should be directed at those who have banned the countries, not me. Just because I feel comfortable with voicing my opinion about why certain countries are banned from multiple websites, does not make me a racist.
So please tell me which sites have banned india? I still hvnt come across a site that has banned india


I have to say indians are the slippery ones. They love scamming and trading. look at the banned list in FST. It's full of indians.
Where can i have a look at this? It would nice to have some concrete proof for such a baseless accusation

[arkan]

the ignorance and bias of some people here is appalling... I am not even going to bother

[integral]

the ignorance and bias of some people here is appalling... I am not even going to bother

Thanks for sharing that with us, would you like a cookie?

[madmarvel]

Therefore, any gripe anyone has, including our resident linguist "madmarvel", with specific countries being banned from multiple torrent sites, should be directed at those who have banned the countries, not me. Just because I feel comfortable with voicing my opinion about why certain countries are banned from multiple websites, does not make me a racist.

it seems that you are talking about me :pinch:
hmmmmmm

ok
but you must know a little tiny thing freedom fighter :blink:

you can talk as long as you can but if you are going to talk in f***en manner way about some one else or another what ever you are going to talk about
thats not going to be a good way of FST :angry:

OK :angry:

I hope that i am making my self clear :angry:

oh
forgot saying some thing
about the math
is always been a way not an aim
ok

[Presto]

I conclude from that you're angry or mad about something.

[madmarvel]

I conclude from that you're angry or mad about something.

YEA I hate that way of talking about the other people
specially that one there

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-most-hardcore-traders-egypt-and-india-post3023091/postcount19

[apextwin146]

^ He was being sarcastic incase u didnt get it ..

@Integral - I am still waiting for a site that has banned india .. Got anything?

[Detale]

OK and what gives you the right to say such things then? Do you have all the stats from all the BT sites all over the globe then? If so bravo that is some orsum access you have there.

So I guess you're calling the ScT staff (which I've seen you praise frequently) racist, since they've banned a few countries.

The "right" I have is freedom of speech. I never said the majority of any country was a trader, which would be stupid, considering that India has over a billion people in it. I drew my opinion from the fact that several sites have similar countries banned.

Therefore, any gripe anyone has, including our resident linguist "madmarvel", with specific countries being banned from multiple torrent sites, should be directed at those who have banned the countries, not me. Just because I feel comfortable with voicing my opinion about why certain countries are banned from multiple websites, does not make me a racist.

SCT what do they have to do with anything here?? Their site their rules. They can ban whom they wish. I wouldn't go so far to say I'v praised them exactly I did stick up for them in a recent thread as I would have for a good number of sites out there in that situation.

I didn't call you a racist, please try and keep up. That "right" may apply in the U S of A and god bless it, but here we do not have such luxuries. There are rules against saying certain things. Censorship is all over the BT world.

TBH you never said the majority of a country was a cheater/trader, you're right

The main reason isn't the "net speed", it's simply because it's a cheater/trader culture there. The majority of them have no etiquette or manner education from their parents, thus they are the way they are. It's evident especially in Egypt, where a lot of credit card fraud takes place, as well.

You said it was a cheater/trader culture they come from.. YEAH thats muuuch better.

[integral]

Although I never said anything about India being banned at trackers, I decided to do a few searches for them - no go. I guess they aren't as bad as other countries in terms of offender stats.

Did find a few broadband india forums giving tips for ratio-master type programs, but I'm sure sites like that exist in every country.

[SaviouR]

The "right" I have is freedom of speech. I never said the majority of any country was a trader, which would be stupid



The main reason isn't the "net speed", it's simply because it's a cheater/trader culture there. The majority of them have no etiquette or manner education from their parents, thus they are the way they are. It's evident especially in Egypt, where a lot of credit card fraud takes place, as well.



all hail the stupid ?!?!

btw its ironic you speak about manner or ettiquette cos its quite evident who doesnt have it at all . and regarding manners about parents , just as u "hear" alot of things about different countries , many of us also "heard" cheating with wifes and divorce rate is much higher in US than other countries so where do some ppl confront their "real" parents for their ettiquette and manners ??? also US leads worldwide execution of child offenders thats another reason why they have such fantastic "ettiquette" and "manner educations" and thats why they are like this i assume ??? i suggest better keep the grandpa talks about other countries with yourself .better think ten times what your saying against other countries when your country aint pure by any sense .

your probably just another troll who has nothing to do , who likes to put other countries down and prove your the only one right , or having the right opinion by arguing endlessly with people (i am sure you will still reply shamelessly trying to put other countries down or show them of a lower stature cos thats the "etiquettes" and "manners" u may have probably learnt). i suggest you look or rather open you eyes as to how your country is instead of commenting on how the other countries are .

[stoi]

Well. in defence to integral here.

When we were getting a lot of cheats and dupes from Brazil, I asked a staff member, who is from Brazil, why the hell do they do it.

and his answer was exactly the same as integrals.

because it's a cheater culture there.

Now i am not saying its true, as i dont live there, i am just saying what my staff member believed it was, and he does live there.

so...

[SaviouR]

Well. in defence to integral here.

When we were getting a lot of cheats and dupes from Brazil, I asked a staff member, who is from Brazil, why the hell do they do it.

and his answer was exactly the same as integrals.

because it's a cheater culture there.

Now i am not saying its true, as i dont live there, i am just saying what my staff member believed it was, and he does live there.

so...

that doesnt mean they dont have manners or ettiquette from their parents like the troll had mentioned ......

thats like watching a football match and if a team is very aggresive/very physical or even sledging other team , we cannot assume that their whole nation must be full of c*nts , can we ? this is exactly the situation here .

thats exactly i was trying to say above stoi . its unfortunate that your facing a problem more from a specific country but that doesnt mean they dont have manners , ettiquettes whereas a country having more better users in the torrent community doesnt mean are the Stephen Hawking pupils or members of the United Nations Peacekeeping Forces or Pope's next contenders .....

[apextwin146]

Well. in defence to integral here.

When we were getting a lot of cheats and dupes from Brazil, I asked a staff member, who is from Brazil, why the hell do they do it.

and his answer was exactly the same as integrals.

because it's a cheater culture there.

Now i am not saying its true, as i dont live there, i am just saying what my staff member believed it was, and he does live there.

so...
I have no idea why anyone would say such a thing about their own country :wacko: ..

@Integral - so there you go abt India .. Rest can defend themselves ..
Please collect some facts to substantiate your argument/statement next time when you go all out against a country :naughty: ..

[madmarvel]

also you can say some people here has its own kind of thinking
that they thought they can say what ever they want to say on what ever they need
because the FREEDOM gives them that thing to do

that's really non respectful way of talking about the others especially if that one is gonna talk about millions of people because some may i say couple of hundreds of them or it might be couple of tens of them in a community of thousands and thousands of different cultures

[krisil]

traders and cheaters are there in every country , race and culture . it might be that some countries have more density than others but there is no denying the fact that they are everywhere :)

[BlueLabel]

good to have us (the israelies). that way you can always point an accusing finger on us and stay clean (since the all other countries never cheat)
how comfortable is it when you have someone to blame... that way others never look at you.

[eldiesel]

mmmm......

i am an egy ..i own an anti-traders forum... i dun cheat of course

i am good member With a good rep everywhere i have been too

its just a Personal manner no more

you cant generalize the case

some egys think that trading is fun .....thats why they trade and they enjoy it whatever the Consequences ........they just dont care

Others like me..
Feel More comfortable to follow the rules and have real good friends from various
Communties

So its a Personal manner

not a General Fact

Regarding cheating......they just cheat becoz of very bad connection we have here
i couldnt survive any ratio tracker without a seedbox

But....in highly rated trackers
they dun cheat on it...becoz n0 noob is able to get inside good trackers
so you will only see massive cheating attempts on level2-3 trackers
And that what i will Call n00bs Cheating

/eld.

[stoi]

But they cheat on BCG and christ, you dont need to cheat on BCG.

and wtf has lvl got to do with anything, that totally pisses me off.

lvl 1-3 do what the fuck you want, they dont care.

lvl 4-10 oh dont do it there.

[s33d3r]

huhh trader :ermm:

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-if-you-have-post2988673/postcount2

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-hdbits-acc-offer-inside-post2911924/postcount1

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-need-e-and-ptn-post2915090/postcount3

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-need-old-hdbitsorg-acc-post2914545/postcount1


and this is your decency

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-petition-reopen-hdbits-invites-post2900349/postcount41

if incase you edit

hdbits staffs=jerks,idiots.........

[Disme]

To all you people that seem to be like 'phucked in the arse' by others people claiming things about their country/race/customs/upbringing ... it's the interwebz OK ... it's serious bussiness in here :ghey:

I am Belgian and Belgians are known to be hard workers but also known for not being the smartest cheap in the shed ... who cares ... I certainly won't ... I dare you to say anything that will actually hurt me. :rolleyes:

Get a frekkin life please ... and maybe while you're at it learn some decent English ... won't hurt to understand sarcasm and cynism when it bites you.

[eldiesel]

i know stoi
Cheating is a pain in the ass

and i am saying sorry for that to you

but the problem is you are not still imaganing speeds here

normal guys have 265/65 kbps connection
means 26 kb/s down
and 5 kb/s up in very best cases

its nearly impossible to do anythg with that speed

thats a Basic reason for cheating
but... i will still say some People have good speeds like 1mb/256 kb which is very enough for seeding on BCG and they just foolishly cheat becoz they like to upload 1 TB in oneday thinking stupidily that they will get away with that

its a personal manner no more

And about levels

the more rare the tracker ........the more diff. you get an invite ........the nore effort from you to keep your account ...... so they dont cheat on this case

The Thread Starter is a Trader !! :lol::lol:

[Disme]

"Hardcore trader" and "Trader" are not same I think.These guys are really hardcore traders:
*

And this guy is an hardcore invite seller:Edited by D

/fixed :whistling

[eldiesel]

[quote=anjelik;3023775]"Hardcore trader" and "Trader" are not same I think.These guys are really hardcore traders:
Edited by D/quote]


looool

the guy has uk-t, FTN, swedvdr

why does he want to trade them

[anjelik]

Disme
Yea,you idiot.I am "trader".And I am proud of it.I dont need to beg anyone for invites,so I trade.And I also suggest you to trade,it is better than invite begging,a** licking.

Some guys like I mentioned above,are really enjoying with trading.They have all trackers up to level X,and they are still trading.This is the main difference between me and them.

So STFU and GTFO idiot :D

[Disme]

Disme
Yea,you idiot.I am "trader".And I am proud of it.I dont need to beg anyone for invites,so I trade.And I also suggest you to trade,it is better than invite begging,a** licking.

Some guys like I mentioned above,are really enjoying with trading.They have all trackers up to level X,and they are still trading.This is the main difference between me and them.

So STFU and GTFO idiot :D

You have little to be proud of :rolleyes:

At least I can post in a tracker's forum and don't always have to fear for being disabled/banned when a staff member accidentally were to look at my IP-changing history or I would do a trade that went wrong and my IP would be spread all over the interwebz.

Please refrain from calling me an idiot ... it doesn't impress me one bit, nor makes any kind of impression at all coming from you.

[soulreaper]

The main reason isn't the "net speed", it's simply because it's a cheater/trader culture there.

Considering how well informed you are about our culture, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you think that India is solely filled with cows and snake charmers. It demonstrates your narrow focus and contorted perception.I admit that most of your posts are informative so this comes as a bit of a surprise.


The majority of them have no etiquette or manner education from their parents, thus they are the way they are.

Never EVER make a sweeping generalization,its just plain wrong and ignorant when you don't have hard evidence to back it up.


Now to the OP:- Let's see some facts and figures, proper evidence to back up your findings before you even begin to point a finger at other countries/people.
Too much time in your hands maybe.
All this ignorance makes me dizzy.BAH!

[jasperr]

Well, then if it's a case poor speeds then why bother joining the trackers at all??.. i don't wanna be excluding any one group from anything per say... just that, if you can't belong to a tracker without cheating.... or trading to get there, then why bother, really... all your doing is screwing all the legit members of them sites by not sharing the love.. and that (besides the headaches it produces) is why staff at trackers hate it

[soulreaper]

I can only speak for myself and so when I was offered an invitation to SCT, I turned it down because I heard it's almost impossible to keep a good ratio there without a fast connection and I didn't want to jeopardise his account and more imporantly his trust in me. Simply put,If I can't seed it, I don't dl it.I'm into the spirit of sharing just as much as you or any other torrenter is.

I suspect tracker staff ban countries because it's the "easy" thing to do. Ban the whole ip range and never look back,that's their attitude. Right/wrong,you decide.

[jasperr]

I can only speak for myself and so when I was offered an invitation to SCT, I turned it down because I heard it's almost impossible to keep a good ratio there without a fast connection and I didn't want to jeopardise his account and more imporantly his trust in me. Simply put,If I can't seed it, I don't dl it.I'm into the spirit of sharing just as much as you or any other torrenter is.

I suspect tracker staff ban countries because it's the "easy" thing to do. Ban the whole ip range and never look back,that's their attitude. Right/wrong,you decide.

Well Said!

[stoi]

Well it is easy to ban a whole country, and a lot harder to catch cheaters if your open all the time.

Mid 2007, we opened up and let in 100,000 members (we did have about 40,000 before that, so 60,000 members we let in), now this is just a general sumarisation, because i have no hard proof, believe it or not, your call.

but out of those 60,000 new members, i would say a good 30,000 were either cheaters or traders, or dupe accounts (sign up, leech, get warned, sign up again, leech, get warned, repeat the process).

1 guy we traced he had 250 accounts (i cant remember what his nationality was though), why someone would have that many emails i dont know.

but the vast majority of those, i would say 65% were Brazilian.

All my staff were clamouring for me to ban Brazil, I said no, i am the eternal optomist, thinking we could change their ways, or get good members in from that country that did not cheat.

I think we have about 7,000 members now from Brazil that do play fair and by the rules, but i can understand why tracker staff do ban countries, I know we were very close, and some of my staff still want us to ban them, even though its a lot harder to get in now.

there is not a correct answer, even doing what we are doing is not correct, because we are stopping everyone from joining up.

but in all honesty, after 4-5 years or running a tracker.

Open Signups do not work.
Invites are not foolproof.
even our fake page and referral system is not.

but we were closed for nearly 8 months, we went from 100,000 members, all the way down to 45,000 members, and now we have just over 30,000 members.

so lets be honest here, its not that they have a slow connections, its just that they do not want to seed back, they want something for nothing, but they also want the speed of a private tracker, well you cant have it both ways im afraid, so they either cheat, or sign up get what they want, and either never come back or create another account to leech what they want again.

Morale of all that is,

Its a pain in the fucking arse opening up, and just not worth the trouble.

But i still wont ban an entire country.

[sceneA]

Considering how well informed you are about our culture, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you think that India is solely filled with cows and snake charmers. It demonstrates your narrow focus and contorted perception.I admit that most of your posts are informative so this comes as a bit of a surprise.


The majority of them have no etiquette or manner education from their parents, thus they are the way they are.

Never EVER make a sweeping generalization,its just plain wrong and ignorant when you don't have hard evidence to back it up.


Now to the OP:- Let's see some facts and figures, proper evidence to back up your findings before you even begin to point a finger at other countries/people.
Too much time in your hands maybe.
All this ignorance makes me dizzy.BAH!


Very well said brother. People just tend to think in negative judging from a single incident and then open up a thread accusing a particular country of trading/cheating. Then there are a whole lot of people who substantiate it by citing that its just our culture and education thats influencing all these without providing any sort of proof or facts.

Well its really damn easy to accuse someone. Even i can open up a thread tomorrow accusing people of US or any other country of cheating. Anybody can do that. But the fact is there are bastards in every country and no country or community is perfect. Its known fact that many a time people end up getting cheated while trading then why go for trade in the first place; And why this hue and cry and why accuse an entire nation of one billion people of cheating. Generalizing things of this sort is completely bullshit and it shows how narrow minded the people here are and i just can't help but wonder how would have been the reaction if US would have been blindly accused like this.

[Artemis]

so lets be honest here, its not that they have a slow connections, its just that they do not want to seed back, they want something for nothing, but they also want the speed of a private tracker, well you cant have it both ways im afraid, so they either cheat, or sign up get what they want, and either never come back or create another account to leech what they want again.

In my first post I very carefully skirted the fact that it was brazilians that stoi has so much fun with, but this is quote is the most honest evaluation in the whole thread and it is from a SiteOP.

I am from New Zealand and the internet speeds here are truly horrendous, most of the country has not even been upgraded to ADSL2 yet and the vast majority of users have a 128k to 256k upload speed, we simply seed torrents for longer. Cheating usually comes from an ADD attitude of wanting it now, fuck the waiting. What really boils my bunny is users from certain countries who harp on about how they have to cheat because of the 'slow' internet speeds in their countries, this is just a cop out, there is no need to cheat, it is simply that most of them aren't bright enough to realise this.

[anoneemuse]

To all you people that seem to be like 'phucked in the arse' by others people claiming things about their country/race/customs/upbringing ... it's the interwebz OK ... it's serious bussiness in here :ghey:

I am Belgian and Belgians are known to be hard workers but also known for not being the smartest cheap in the shed ... who cares ... I certainly won't ... I dare you to say anything that will actually hurt me. :rolleyes:

Get a frekkin life please ... and maybe while you're at it learn some decent English ... won't hurt to understand sarcasm and cynism when it bites you.

YOU likes to critique other's.. it's always better to have a clear self-reflection on yourself before judging other people's behaviour.. i know that NO ONE is perfect but at least i do believe that most people would have think about what they have said or do to others and not just purely a one-sided criticism.. YOU makes me felt that YOU are such a self-centred person.. living in a world that evolves ONLY on YOUR principles and beliefs..

[apextwin146]

so lets be honest here, its not that they have a slow connections, its just that they do not want to seed back, they want something for nothing, but they also want the speed of a private tracker, well you cant have it both ways im afraid, so they either cheat, or sign up get what they want, and either never come back or create another account to leech what they want again.

In my first post I very carefully skirted the fact that it was brazilians that stoi has so much fun with, but this is quote is the most honest evaluation in the whole thread and it is from a SiteOP.

I am from New Zealand and the internet speeds here are truly horrendous, most of the country has not even been upgraded to ADSL2 yet and the vast majority of users have a 128k to 256k upload speed, we simply seed torrents for longer. Cheating usually comes from an ADD attitude of wanting it now, fuck the waiting. What really boils my bunny is users from certain countries who harp on about how they have to cheat because of the 'slow' internet speeds in their countries, this is just a cop out, there is no need to cheat, it is simply that most of them aren't bright enough to realise this.
Seriously?
Here you preach the virtue of patience and the principles of Eternal Seeding but it were seriously enough then what was need of renting a seedbox?

[Artemis]

In my first post I very carefully skirted the fact that it was brazilians that stoi has so much fun with, but this is quote is the most honest evaluation in the whole thread and it is from a SiteOP.

I am from New Zealand and the internet speeds here are truly horrendous, most of the country has not even been upgraded to ADSL2 yet and the vast majority of users have a 128k to 256k upload speed, we simply seed torrents for longer. Cheating usually comes from an ADD attitude of wanting it now, fuck the waiting. What really boils my bunny is users from certain countries who harp on about how they have to cheat because of the 'slow' internet speeds in their countries, this is just a cop out, there is no need to cheat, it is simply that most of them aren't bright enough to realise this.
Seriously?
Here you preach the virtue of patience and the principles of Eternal Seeding but it were seriously enough then what was need of renting a seedbox?

Fair enough question, mainly to upload, and I will be getting another seedbox for exactly that purpose for a new site that is coming up soon as well as a couple of others , but in the meantime for the last year almost it has been 128k up for me...........

[apextwin146]

Seriously?
Here you preach the virtue of patience and the principles of Eternal Seeding but it were seriously enough then what was need of renting a seedbox?

Fair enough question, mainly to upload, and I will be getting another seedbox for exactly that purpose for a new site that is coming up soon as well as a couple of others , but in the meantime for the last year almost it has been 128k up for me...........
Right .. but you do have to realise the fact that many ppl in these places that being talked abt would not have the sufficient resources to rent a seedbox to upload like u did citing the low upload speed as reason .. I too use a seedbox as a simple 256 Kbps connection here costs as much as a seedbox(not through the retarded resellers) ..
I am not saying that in such circumstances people should trade and ratio cheat but it helps if u have a background knowledge regarding the circumstances that lead to such events .. Its not in their culture to do so.. They are merely trying to use watever resources they can get their hands on to move forward .. do you think they just wud stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio .. They have to get the files and they will by using watever means accessible to them .. Bty this excludes people who like to trade for the rush for it and make it a interweb hobby .. Thats just plain pathetic

[Funkin']

To all you people that seem to be like 'phucked in the arse' by others people claiming things about their country/race/customs/upbringing ... it's the interwebz OK ... it's serious bussiness in here :ghey:

I am Belgian and Belgians are known to be hard workers but also known for not being the smartest cheap in the shed ... who cares ... I certainly won't ... I dare you to say anything that will actually hurt me. :rolleyes:

Get a frekkin life please ... and maybe while you're at it learn some decent English ... won't hurt to understand sarcasm and cynism when it bites you.

YOU likes to critique other's.. it's always better to have a clear self-reflection on yourself before judging other people's behaviour.. i know that NO ONE is perfect but at least i do believe that most people would have think about what they have said or do to others and not just purely a one-sided criticism.. YOU makes me felt that YOU are such a self-centred person.. living in a world that evolves ONLY on YOUR principles and beliefs..

But you know what? He is right. Almost everyone in this thread jumped all over integral for a few comments he made. Was he wrong in those comments? I don't know, and I don't really give a fuck. I mean some people made it sound like they were truly upset over those comments. Relax. Nobody should take what another types on the internet that seriously.

[Presto]

lol

[DarkLured]

Fair enough question, mainly to upload, and I will be getting another seedbox for exactly that purpose for a new site that is coming up soon as well as a couple of others , but in the meantime for the last year almost it has been 128k up for me...........
Right .. but you do have to realise the fact that many ppl in these places that being talked abt would not have the sufficient resources to rent a seedbox to upload like u did citing the low upload speed as reason .. I too use a seedbox as a simple 256 Kbps connection here costs as much as a seedbox(not through the retarded resellers) ..
I am not saying that in such circumstances people should trade and ratio cheat but it helps if u have a background knowledge regarding the circumstances that lead to such events .. Its not in their culture to do so.. They are merely trying to use watever resources they can get their hands on to move forward .. do you think they just wud stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio .. They have to get the files and they will by using watever means accessible to them .. Bty this excludes people who like to trade for the rush for it and make it a interweb hobby .. Thats just plain pathetic

I agree wholeheartedly that broad generalizations about a particular culture or group of people is unfair and accomplishes little. However, membership in a private tracker is not a right, it is a privilege, and access to free files and content at high speeds, while desirable, is by no means necessary. They don't "have to get the files" (at least not at high speeds) and, yes, they should "stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio" (or go to a tracker where ratio is easy to maintain or doesn't matter). If you don't have access to or can't afford a fast connection, then you use public trackers or trackers that are easier to seed and keep an acceptable ratio. There is no good excuse for cheating, especially in communities built on sharing. Taking without giving can only be justified when you're talking about a true necessity; easy access to files and content simply does not qualify.

[apextwin146]

Right .. but you do have to realise the fact that many ppl in these places that being talked abt would not have the sufficient resources to rent a seedbox to upload like u did citing the low upload speed as reason .. I too use a seedbox as a simple 256 Kbps connection here costs as much as a seedbox(not through the retarded resellers) ..
I am not saying that in such circumstances people should trade and ratio cheat but it helps if u have a background knowledge regarding the circumstances that lead to such events .. Its not in their culture to do so.. They are merely trying to use watever resources they can get their hands on to move forward .. do you think they just wud stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio .. They have to get the files and they will by using watever means accessible to them .. Bty this excludes people who like to trade for the rush for it and make it a interweb hobby .. Thats just plain pathetic

I agree wholeheartedly that broad generalizations about a particular culture or group of people is unfair and accomplishes little. However, membership in a private tracker is not a right, it is a privilege, and access to free files and content at high speeds, while desirable, is by no means necessary. They don't "have to get the files" (at least not at high speeds) and, yes, they should "stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio" (or go to a tracker where ratio is easy to maintain or doesn't matter). If you don't have access to or can't afford a fast connection, then you use public trackers or trackers that are easier to seed and keep an acceptable ratio. There is no good excuse for cheating, especially in communities built on sharing. Taking without giving can only be justified when you're talking about a true necessity; easy access to files and content simply does not qualify.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-trades-158/t-have-the-top-tv-tracker-account-trade-319641/?

I remember what the trade was .. You had a fucking poor ratio on BMTV and it was gonna be disabled in a week unless you did something abt it .. So you decided to trade it .. Yet after such a despicable act you parade here with the opinion ..
"However, membership in a private tracker is not a right, it is a privilege, and access to free files and content at high speeds, while desirable, is by no means necessary" ..
Correct me if i am wrong.
A chimp would have posted a wiser response given the scenario you are in ..

[DeathAngel]

I'm an Egyptian . I've never traded . It's simple :D

[Artemis]

Fair enough question, mainly to upload, and I will be getting another seedbox for exactly that purpose for a new site that is coming up soon as well as a couple of others , but in the meantime for the last year almost it has been 128k up for me...........
Right .. but you do have to realise the fact that many ppl in these places that being talked abt would not have the sufficient resources to rent a seedbox to upload like u did citing the low upload speed as reason .. I too use a seedbox as a simple 256 Kbps connection here costs as much as a seedbox(not through the retarded resellers) ..
I am not saying that in such circumstances people should trade and ratio cheat but it helps if u have a background knowledge regarding the circumstances that lead to such events .. Its not in their culture to do so.. They are merely trying to use watever resources they can get their hands on to move forward .. do you think they just wud stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio .. They have to get the files and they will by using watever means accessible to them .. Bty this excludes people who like to trade for the rush for it and make it a interweb hobby .. Thats just plain pathetic

Your last point first, there are many here that trade for years it is their pathetic little interweb hobby. There is absolutely zero reason for ratio cheating, not 'whatever resources they can get their hands on to move forward' or any other justification.My first post in this thread was actually to defend against racial slur and bias because most of the people here do not have any knowledge of actual ratios on trackers. I also expressed that my country has a lower internet connection speed on average than many of these countries where people say that they 'have to cheat' because of poor internet speeds. I could maintain a very good ratio before I used a seedbox, and I have maintained a very good ratio on trackers that I have joined since I stopped renting a seedbox, so I feel quite safe in 'preaching eternal seeding'. There are so many ends justifies the means arguments that are used here all the time, I don't believe any of them, so saying that I need to look into background of such events is indefensible to me.
Cheating is cheating pure and simple, it is part of the same culture of ripoffs scams and invite selling that is so prevalent here. I am not going to lump one particular country or social or cultural group together. I really truly do not care what the circumstances are, I intensely dislike the whole ends justifies the means shallow little games that are played.

[DarkLured]

I agree wholeheartedly that broad generalizations about a particular culture or group of people is unfair and accomplishes little. However, membership in a private tracker is not a right, it is a privilege, and access to free files and content at high speeds, while desirable, is by no means necessary. They don't "have to get the files" (at least not at high speeds) and, yes, they should "stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio" (or go to a tracker where ratio is easy to maintain or doesn't matter). If you don't have access to or can't afford a fast connection, then you use public trackers or trackers that are easier to seed and keep an acceptable ratio. There is no good excuse for cheating, especially in communities built on sharing. Taking without giving can only be justified when you're talking about a true necessity; easy access to files and content simply does not qualify.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-trades-158/t-have-the-top-tv-tracker-account-trade-319641/?

I remember what the trade was .. You had a fucking poor ratio on BMTV and it was gonna be disabled in a week unless you did something abt it .. So you decided to trade it .. Yet after such a despicable act you parade here with the opinion ..
"However, membership in a private tracker is not a right, it is a privilege, and access to free files and content at high speeds, while desirable, is by no means necessary" ..
Correct me if i am wrong.
A chimp would have posted a wiser response given the scenario you are in ..

Hey, you really went on the attack there, digging up some dirt on me and everything, wow! :O Though it was pretty entertaining, there's really no need to resort to insults, profanity and recrimination. Of course, that's usually what people do when they run out of ideas and good arguments, and that's how it looks here, because your reasoning is seriously flawed (or else you didn't understand the point I was trying to make).

First of all, not everyone would agree that what I did is "despicable" (as you so provocatively put it - you must have been on the debate team), so you shouldn't state it as an undeniable fact. I certainly don't think I did anything so terrible. I was unable to keep up a good ratio there (due to a slow connection and bittorent throttling), and knowing that many people want to get into BMTV, it seemed like a waste to let the account get disabled when someone else could get the ratio back up and put it to good use. So I traded it to a guy who gave me proof that he had a seedbox and could keep up a good ratio (and who had given me invites before, so he was not a stranger) in exchange for a buffered account at another tracker (the buffer will help me keep up a decent ratio at the new site without cheating). Oh no, let me go hide my face in shame :lol: And BTW, I don't make a "hobby" of trading and I don't trade "for the rush" of it, and since I have only traded occasionally I'm nowhere near a "hardcore" trader.

Of course, none of the above is really relevant, because I was talking about ratio cheating, not account trading. I don't see how my trading an account means that I can't have an opinion about ratio cheaters. If I had decided to cheat my ratio at BMTV in order to keep the account, instead of trading it away, THEN you could say I have no right to talk, or that I'm being a hypocrite, etc. But I did not cheat, not just because I don't know how to do it, but because ratio cheating undermines what this whole bittorrent thing is about, namely sharing and giving back to one another! People can argue about whether breaking a tracker's rules by trading is despicable, but ratio cheating goes against the very spirit of file-sharing. Do you get that?!?! :frusty:

I'll put it simply (in language a chimp would understand :P): If you can't keep up a decent ratio without cheating, just go somewhere else. No reasonable argument can be made to justify ratio cheating. Anybody care to back me up on this?

EDIT: It looks like Artemis makes some similar points above me about how ratio cheating is simply unjustifiable.

[th0r]

egypt . . . india, same thing

;p

[s33d3r]

I've seen lots of traders,really hardcore traders who are harvesting lots of high level accs.And they are mainlt from Egypt and India. What are the aims of them?I mean,I know some guys who has 4 U*-* accs or more than 2 E**** accs .And why these countries have lots of traders?

PS:I am not trying to be racist or something worst,I just want your opinions....


I too have seen many guys from Israel n US who have more than 2 accounts n too of high level trackers. infact I have seen a guy from US who is a staff on a website and also a Torrent Celebrity on what.cd n what that guy is doing nowadys is inviting people on invite trading forum.. now what do u have to say on this!!!..

u just saw 1 or 2 guys and u created a full free thread on it!! that too not seeing what u urself hav done in the past.. (Click me n c I'm a trader n I'm blaming others (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/search.php?searchid=3389820))

[Disme]

YOU likes to critique other's.. it's always better to have a clear self-reflection on yourself before judging other people's behaviour.. i know that NO ONE is perfect but at least i do believe that most people would have think about what they have said or do to others and not just purely a one-sided criticism.. YOU makes me felt that YOU are such a self-centred person.. living in a world that evolves ONLY on YOUR principles and beliefs..

But you know what? He is right. Almost everyone in this thread jumped all over integral for a few comments he made. Was he wrong in those comments? I don't know, and I don't really give a fuck. I mean some people made it sound like they were truly upset over those comments. Relax. Nobody should take what another types on the internet that seriously.

Glad someone at least understands what I meant ...

@anoneemuse: Please return when you have something to say that is an actual respons to what I wrote, instead of this jibberish about the fact you think I might be self-centered or not.
Lighten up...smoke some pot, have a drink, get outside for an hour or so but don't lecture me on human perfection and the likes.

[aysomc]

i usually just dont invite people from those countries. i never would have said that if this thread didnt exist because i dont wanna seem like a dick but imo it's just too risky. i have invited people from the UK, USA(most), australia, poland(hi kyrcer), and a few other places including 1 guy from egypt that i invited to bmtv and within a week of inviting him he was banned for cheating. again it may sound like a dick thing to say but most of the longer term members here at fst that are from the UK, USA and other english speaking countries tend to be my best invitees with the exception of 1(hi again kyrcer :P ).

[apextwin146]

Right .. but you do have to realise the fact that many ppl in these places that being talked abt would not have the sufficient resources to rent a seedbox to upload like u did citing the low upload speed as reason .. I too use a seedbox as a simple 256 Kbps connection here costs as much as a seedbox(not through the retarded resellers) ..
I am not saying that in such circumstances people should trade and ratio cheat but it helps if u have a background knowledge regarding the circumstances that lead to such events .. Its not in their culture to do so.. They are merely trying to use watever resources they can get their hands on to move forward .. do you think they just wud stop downloading just cuz they cant manage a ratio .. They have to get the files and they will by using watever means accessible to them .. Bty this excludes people who like to trade for the rush for it and make it a interweb hobby .. Thats just plain pathetic

Your last point first, there are many here that trade for years it is their pathetic little interweb hobby. There is absolutely zero reason for ratio cheating, not 'whatever resources they can get their hands on to move forward' or any other justification.My first post in this thread was actually to defend against racial slur and bias because most of the people here do not have any knowledge of actual ratios on trackers. I also expressed that my country has a lower internet connection speed on average than many of these countries where people say that they 'have to cheat' because of poor internet speeds. I could maintain a very good ratio before I used a seedbox, and I have maintained a very good ratio on trackers that I have joined since I stopped renting a seedbox, so I feel quite safe in 'preaching eternal seeding'. There are so many ends justifies the means arguments that are used here all the time, I don't believe any of them, so saying that I need to look into background of such events is indefensible to me.
Cheating is cheating pure and simple, it is part of the same culture of ripoffs scams and invite selling that is so prevalent here. I am not going to lump one particular country or social or cultural group together. I really truly do not care what the circumstances are, I intensely dislike the whole ends justifies the means shallow little games that are played.
Artemis did u really gather from my post that i was trying to justify Ratio cheating ? I was merely trying to explain the rational behind such incidents so as not to point it to a culture of a race ..
In Brief : They do it for watever reasons but to blame a culture is just not appropiate .. I gave the low speed examples just to delve into the causes so as not to blame the entire the culture ..

[mrnobody]

I doubt it has anything to do with country. Imo (emphasis on MY opinion), it has more to do with language. Not sure if it can be supported with data, facts, and figures but imo (again, emphasis on MY opinion) those who can read and write English, no matter from which country (be that India, China, Egypt, America, Brazil or wheresoever) are very less likely to cheat in torrent communities. For one thing, they are into the English content that given torrent community in question provides them. Hence their care level for that particular site is pretty high.Second, they can read/write and hence communicate with other members of the community. And those who do communicate are far more likely to realize (not just know but realize) how wrong cheating is.

On the other hand, those who can't read or write English properly, are very less likely to be interested in English content the torrent site in question provides. Hence, their care level for that particular site is pretty low. They have those tracker just for fun and getting banned for cheating/trading isn't going to make any difference for them.Furthermore, as they can't read/write very well, they are less likely to communicate and might just not realize how wrong cheating is.

To me that makes sense coz many who are caught cheating/trading (from my observation) do not have good English. Notice i did not say the other way around - i did not say all people w/ bad English cheat.

As for cheating for slow speed, take Australia (or New Zealand like Artemis said), they don't have the best connection either. But you don't see them cheating, not in significant number at least. Notice that people from Australia and New Zealand and fairly read/write English as well.

Just the other way around goes in FPS games. People who speak most English sh!t are likely to cheat during gameplay.

eiditZ: Now i feel like it has all to do with care level for particular torrent site in concern. Language, i assume, is just one of many factors that affects care level.

[PlayeR]

it is nice to see you posting again for real, Squirrel
and in AU, not only slow speed is the problem, they also limit your download quota per month..and if you want unlimited one. you wont get it for AUD50 or 60.

[pisipisi]

What a hottest thread,thanks guys for your oppinions:)

[Albo Da Kid]

I doubt it has anything to do with country. Imo (emphasis on MY opinion), it has more to do with language. Not sure if it can be supported with data, facts, and figures but imo (again, emphasis on MY opinion) those who can read and write English, no matter from which country (be that India, China, Egypt, America, Brazil or wheresoever) are very less likely to cheat in torrent communities. For one thing, they are into the English content that given torrent community in question provides them. Hence their care level for that particular site is pretty high.Second, they can read/write and hence communicate with other members of the community. And those who do communicate are far more likely to realize (not just know but realize) how wrong cheating is.

On the other hand, those who can't read or write English properly, are very less likely to be interested in English content the torrent site in question provides. Hence, their care level for that particular site is pretty low. They have those tracker just for fun and getting banned for cheating/trading isn't going to make any difference for them.Furthermore, as they can't read/write very well, they are less likely to communicate and might just not realize how wrong cheating is.

To me that makes sense coz many who are caught cheating/trading (from my observation) do not have good English. Notice i did not say the other way around - i did not say all people w/ bad English cheat.

As for cheating for slow speed, take Australia (or New Zealand like Artemis said), they don't have the best connection either. But you don't see them cheating, not in significant number at least. Notice that people from Australia and New Zealand and fairly read/write English as well.

Just the other way around goes in FPS games. People who speak most English sh!t are likely to cheat during gameplay.

eiditZ: Now i feel like it has all to do with care level for particular torrent site in concern. Language, i assume, is just one of many factors that affects care level.

Good post. Looks to me thta you are speaking from experience.

[DarkLured]

Artemis did u really gather from my post that i was trying to justify Ratio cheating ? I was merely trying to explain the rational behind such incidents so as not to point it to a culture of a race ..
In Brief : They do it for watever reasons but to blame a culture is just not appropiate .. I gave the low speed examples just to delve into the causes so as not to blame the entire the culture ..

Apextwin146, your post (to which Artemis and I responded) definitely sounded like you were justifying ratio cheating by people with slow connections, but now you've clarified your point, and I completely agree with you. Many ratio cheaters probably cheat because they can't get or afford high-speed connections and have difficulty keeping up ratio at certain trackers without cheating, and I understand now that you were merely offering this as the likely motivation behind cheating, rather than a justification of cheating. And I agree that individual factors like speed, resources, etc. have far more to do with cheating than cultural factors. To say that cheating is a part of a certain culture is bigoted and ignorant, period.

So now that we've cleared that up, care to retract your earlier attacks? No hard feelings on this end. :cool:

[kukushka]

I doubt it has anything to do with country. Imo (emphasis on MY opinion), it has more to do with language.
ofc for ppl that can communicate well it's not a problem of getting what they want or understand what they do not want without all this tempting trading process.. but still, other factors as stereotype national culture also matters.. we're talking about hardcore traders.. in russia i see a lot of things like "i have what, i want waffles" and such.. things like i have blalbalbalba pm me offers are very rare.. ppl just want content and don't give a .. too much about methods, just following the easiest way for them... now about the other cultures.. i think it's a well known fact that if you'll buy smth in arabic country, if you'll not try to talk into lowering the price to merchant, you actually abuse him for not taking enough attention into this trading process.. they just like it.. so if the person is in this kind of culture, there's a good reason for him to have fun of the process of invite trading. not mentioning that if the person, wherever he is, don't share north american / west european precautions about all this anti piracy activities that is going on in this places, it's also one less reason for him of acting carefully, not throwing invites on blind giveaways etc...

[aysomc]

i think it's a well known fact that if you'll buy smth in arabic country, if you'll not try to talk into lowering the price to merchant, you actually abuse him for not taking enough attention into this trading process.. they just like it.. so if the person is in this kind of culture, there's a good reason for him to have fun of the process of invite trading.

i think it has much more to do with ethics and actually giving a fuck about these trackers/communities. if i go to a swap meet(flea market) ill try to talk down prices as well, almost everyone does and it works there. but thats completely different, thats my cash for something that they made(usually) and its their discretion to bargain with buyers or not. also nothing in that scenario is illegal, but what we do on these sites is illegal so security becomes a factor, which changes everything.

[kukushka]

i think it's a well known fact that if you'll buy smth in arabic country, if you'll not try to talk into lowering the price to merchant, you actually abuse him for not taking enough attention into this trading process.. they just like it.. so if the person is in this kind of culture, there's a good reason for him to have fun of the process of invite trading.

i think it has much more to do with ethics and actually giving a fuck about these trackers/communities. if i go to a swap meet(flea market) ill try to talk down prices as well, almost everyone does and it works there. but thats completely different, thats my cash for something that they made(usually) and its their discretion to bargain with buyers or not. also nothing in that scenario is illegal, but what we do on these sites is illegal so security becomes a factor, which changes everything.
if you read my msg til the end, i mentioned "north american / west european precautions about all this anti piracy activities that is going on in this places" that some guys from outside may don't care about at all, not sharing the whole community spirit