Uploading - Distrubution Or Not [Archive]

RealitY

09-08-2003, 08:38 PM

I posted this once before since the idea strikes couriosty on a legal level.
Unfortunattly the post went bad due to funk, so here it is...

Originally posted by REALITY
The whole premise here regarding filesharing being illegal seems to be the point of it being"distribution".

Although the point of "distribution " appears legally challenged...
I have to come to think in light of the Jane Doe vs RIAA (http://zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/08132003c.php) case that simply having your CD collection on your hardrive (legal), which becomes illegal when put into your "shared folder", since you are " distributing" it. This appears to be a flawed concept perhaps since "distributing" means just that, "distributing"...

If I have a CD at your house and you make a copy of it...
Could that be deemed "distribution" on my part
Or did YOU copy it.

If I leave my windows open and you take a picture of a copyright poster on my wall...
Could that be deemed distribution on my part
Or did YOU take that picture.

If I put my CD's in my "shared folder" (window open) and you copy them...
Could that be deemed "distribution" on my part
Or did YOU download it

I have read the dictionary definition of "distribute" and it seems could be argued either way I gusess, although simply putting files in a folder would be a very liberally streched meaning of the idea. Otherwise the concept of "sharing" would have to be deemed illegal, good luck, thats a strech. Though someone is trying to pass a law making "file sharing" illegal, most lickely to define these issues.

How do they intend, long term, to show filesharing as truly being illegal, a loophole is soon to appear.

Just trying to strike up some thought.

J'Pol

09-08-2003, 08:43 PM

Once again, the mere act of making the copy is illegal in the UK.

If you were to take illegal material and place it on a table, in unlimited quantities. Then tell people to help themselves, that would surely constitute distribution.

RealitY

09-08-2003, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by JPaul@8 September 2003 - 21:43
Once again, the mere act of making the copy is illegal in the UK.
Actually I'm addressing the US since the lawsuits are here for now.

If you were to take illegal material and place it on a table, in unlimited quantities.
Who is to say the materail in a shared folder is illegal, considering that one may have rights to it under fair use.

Then tell people to help themselves, that would surely constitute distribution.
When did anyone suggest that you were told to download to it. Nobody ever even suggested you turn on your computer. How could anyone be held responsible for what you choose to download.

DasScoot

09-08-2003, 10:39 PM

The window/picture metaphor is flawed. Putting something in your shared folder is more like getting some highly detailed copies made, and then putting them on your lawn with a sign saying 'take these'. And then putting an ad in the paper listing your address.

The_Verifier

09-09-2003, 04:45 PM

Heres my question. If you use Bittorrent or Shareza or a program in which you just upload bits of a file to other users and not the whole file is it still Copyright Infringement? seeing you are only uploadin pieces of a file which is only data how can it be a violation of copyright seeing that they only upload some of the data from me and not the whole album or movie. If they were to sue me wouldnt they have to sue everyone in the upload/download pool because you are gettin the data from everyone uploadin and downloading. Please help me understand this concept.

loz

09-09-2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by JPaul@8 September 2003 - 20:43
Once again, the mere act of making the copy is illegal in the UK.

If you were to take illegal material and place it on a table, in unlimited quantities. Then tell people to help themselves, that would surely constitute distribution.
I actually thought you could make a copy for personal/ backup reasons.

Also as REALITY says you aren't saying here download this now, it is merely there, if I drove around town in an expensive car people would know I have one, if I then left it somewhere & you chose to take it I am not the one who is breaking the law.

Switeck

09-09-2003, 06:43 PM

What really pisses me off is when they not only say we're distributing it but we're also broadcasting it. 'Broadcasting' has the side-meaning that you're sending it to lots of people at once as though they could all watch it at once.

Even on broadband internet connections of considerable speed/quality, whether it be a MP3 or movie, it often takes LONGER to upload it to someone (even if that's all you're doing) than it does for the receiver to play it beginning to end. The MPAA really likes to make an issue with how 'fast' a whole movie can be pirated with typical broadband lines, but never likes to point out that you can't actually copyright infringe by uploading it that fast. :P

slick nick

09-09-2003, 07:43 PM

"If I have a CD at your house and you make a copy of it...
Could that be deemed "distribution" on my part
Or did YOU copy it."

The concept of me downloading off you is not comparable to you having a cd at my house and for whatever reason me copying it. on a p2p network we all know what we are their for and anything in our shared folder the public can access. you example is of something unintentional. p2p is intentional sharing.

"If I leave my windows open and you take a picture of a copyright poster on my wall...
Could that be deemed distribution on my part
Or did YOU take that picture."

once again there's intentional distribution and unintentional. This is unintentional.

"If I put my CD's in my "shared folder" (window open) and you copy them...
Could that be deemed "distribution" on my part
Or did YOU download it"

You put your cd's in your shared folder inviting people to download them. you have to have a filesharing program open for it to be downloaded. you are intentionally distributing the cd. either that or you like to waste system resources running programs that you aren't using by running a p2p client with a cd in the folder and not downloading yourself.

"I have read the dictionary definition of "distribute" and it seems could be argued either way I gusess, although simply putting files in a folder would be a very liberally streched meaning of the idea."

it's no stretch to call placing something somewhere purposely where it can be downloaded and having a program open that allows this distributing.

"Otherwise the concept of "sharing" would have to be deemed illegal, good luck, thats a strech. Though someone is trying to pass a law making "file sharing" illegal, most lickely to define these issues."

There's reasonable sharing and then there's illegal distribution. they are only looking to stamp out illegal distribution.

"How do they intend, long term, to show filesharing as truly being illegal, a loophole is soon to appear."

It is truly illegal. purpsely distributing copyright material is illegal. filesharing is illegal. there's no getting around that.

loz

09-09-2003, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by slick nick@9 September 2003 - 19:43
....running a p2p client with a cd in the folder and not downloading yourself....
Do it a lot of the time :) :) :) :)

RealitY

09-10-2003, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by slick nick@9 September 2003 - 20:43
The concept of me downloading off you is not comparable to you having a cd at my house and for whatever reason me copying it.
Then I must firgure that you can point to law that clearly states putting mp3's in a shared folder is illegal??

on a p2p network we all know what we are their for and anything in our shared folder the public can access. you example is of something unintentional. p2p is intentional sharing.
Maybe so, but does that define it is as illegal??

You put your cd's in your shared folder inviting people to download them. you have to have a filesharing program open for it to be downloaded. you are intentionally distributing the cd. either that or you like to waste system resources running programs that you aren't using by running a p2p client with a cd in the folder and not downloading yourself.
It sounds as though you have deemed the intention of ones actions as illegal, this still smells of a rather border line definition. Perhaps I open KaZaa and do a media search and it shoves media files into a shared that I did not intend to have there, at the same time the progam is set to load with windows, now since the intention is different should that be deemed unintentional distribution thus not being an offence...

Adster

09-10-2003, 04:50 AM

Put it this way ok where downloading data right????

so downlaodign data is not ilegal right????

if it is we cant downloading anythign at all and that means the internet would be ilegal

also why make mp3s players legal then if its ilegal??

mogadishu

09-10-2003, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by Hogster@9 September 2003 - 23:50
Put it this way ok where downloading data right????

so downlaodign data is not ilegal right????

if it is we cant downloading anythign at all and that means the internet would be ilegal

also why make mp3s players legal then if its ilegal??
interesting.. i mean how can they prove this data is the music etc..

DasScoot

09-10-2003, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by REALITY+10 September 2003 - 04:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY @ 10 September 2003 - 04:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-slick nick@9 September 2003 - 20:43
The concept of me downloading off you is not comparable to you having a cd at my house and for whatever reason me copying it.
Then I must firgure that you can point to law that clearly states putting mp3's in a shared folder is illegal??

on a p2p network we all know what we are their for and anything in our shared folder the public can access. you example is of something unintentional. p2p is intentional sharing.
Maybe so, but does that define it is as illegal??

You put your cd's in your shared folder inviting people to download them. you have to have a filesharing program open for it to be downloaded. you are intentionally distributing the cd. either that or you like to waste system resources running programs that you aren't using by running a p2p client with a cd in the folder and not downloading yourself.
It sounds as though you have deemed the intention of ones actions as illegal, this still smells of a rather border line definition. Perhaps I open KaZaa and do a media search and it shoves media files into a shared that I did not intend to have there, at the same time the progam is set to load with windows, now since the intention is different should that be deemed unintentional distribution thus not being an offence... [/b][/quote]
That's like saying if you light a pillow on fire and it burns a house down, you're not to blame because there's no law against lighting pillows on fire.

You're trying to imply with your metaphors that you have absolutely no control over the fact that people can upload your files. This is stupid, you downloaded and installed Kazaa, and put those files in that shared folder. You have complete control over the availibility of those files.

If you want to test this in court be my guest, but I'm 100% sure you'd lose.

RealitY

09-10-2003, 05:15 AM

Originally posted by DasScoot@10 September 2003 - 06:04
That's like saying if you light a pillow on fire and it burns a house down, you're not to blame because there's no law against lighting pillows on fire.
Wasn't going that far at all...

You're trying to imply with your metaphors that you have absolutely no control over the fact that people can upload your files. This is stupid, you downloaded and installed Kazaa, and put those files in that shared folder. You have complete control over the availibility of those files.
No just saying that you have to classify the intention as being illegal, don't you?

If you want to test this in court be my guest, but I'm 100% sure you'd lose.
Maybe so, but food for thought...
This is simply based on the idea behind the Jane Doe defense, so we will see.

slick nick

09-10-2003, 05:24 AM

"Then I must firgure that you can point to law that clearly states putting mp3's in a shared folder is illegal??"

putting it in there and never running a p2p client where it can be downloaded off you isn't illegal putting it in there and running a client where it can be distributed is. you're infringing on the copyright by distributing it.

"Maybe so, but does that define it is as illegal??"

that's not the issue. of course putting it in there isn't illegal but running a client that will distribute it is.

"It sounds as though you have deemed the intention of ones actions as illegal, this still smells of a rather border line definition. Perhaps I open KaZaa and do a media search and it shoves media files into a shared that I did not intend to have there, at the same time the progam is set to load with windows, now since the intention is different should that be deemed unintentional distribution thus not being an offence..."

I deemed it such because it truly is. you have to chose what kazaa shares on your computer. kazaa creates a folder and whatever you download goes in there. in your example of you putting the thing in there you've taken the initiative and put it in there and are using a client that will lead to it's distribution. your example of kazaa choosing something on your comp isn't possible. kazaa shares what you allow it. but let's say this did happen. the act of downloading copyrighted material is also illegal so you're just on the recieving end of distribution and still guilty by downloading. i.e. the verizon customet who downloaded 600 songs in one day. using a program that facilites illegal distribution and searching for copyrighted material or non copyrighted material yet having the copyrighted stuff in your folder MAY make you liable since you are using a program that can lead to this. but we are getting far away from the fact of business. people with hundreds of copyrighted songs not people with weird shit happing to them. these scenarios don't come close to fitting most of us.

slick nick

09-10-2003, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by Hogster@10 September 2003 - 05:50
Put it this way ok where downloading data right????

so downlaodign data is not ilegal right????

if it is we cant downloading anythign at all and that means the internet would be ilegal

also why make mp3s players legal then if its ilegal??
why make vcr's and dvd players when the materials in them can be illgeal i.e pirated tapes or dvd's? if you mp3 your entire album collection and put it into an mp3 player vs someone who abuses it and puts illegally distributed stuff on there that doesn't mean they should be outlawed.

The data be it kiddie porn or mp3 has readable hash info or some shit like that that is used to identify it.

"No just saying that you have to classify the intention as being illegal, don't you?"

you have to come up with an applicable to jane doe or anybody where something was unintentionally shared. that's impossible in kazaa since you must chose what is shared and what isn't.

RealitY

09-10-2003, 05:51 AM

Enough Said...
Points well made...
Although I still think this can be legally challenged on some level.

On a side note, an interesting post by Faethe on how fileshring copyright material could be legalized...
Read Snapster (http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=56499&st=0&)

I guess it seems P2P will never go away...

Perhaps it will be defended
Perhaps it will be more secure
Perhaps it will be legalized
Perhaps it will go underground

But it will remain I imagine somehow...

james_bond_rulez

09-10-2003, 05:55 AM

file sharing of free licenced shareware, freeware (software, songs, games...) is not illegal

however if you share copyright protected material it's ILLEGAL

why is that so hard to understand?

but then we all do that so we are all idiots...

Adster

09-10-2003, 06:02 AM

ok then why make CDRs and CDRW DVDR ect legal then?? why not jsut ban them simple

mogadishu

09-10-2003, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by Hogster@10 September 2003 - 01:02
ok then why make CDRs and CDRW DVDR ect legal then?? why not jsut ban them simple
Or let Orinn Hatch have his way and blow up all our pc's.

james_bond_rulez

09-10-2003, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by Hogster@10 September 2003 - 06:02
ok then why make CDRs and CDRW DVDR ect legal then?? why not jsut ban them simple
you can make a legal backup copy of your software, songs, dvds

but you are not allowed to give it to your friends or distributed it in anyway.

so why shouldn't CDRs and CDRW and DVDR be legal?

james_bond_rulez

09-10-2003, 06:23 AM

so yeah it's illegal

but hey it's the internet and crack groups and hackers do it because they "gain knowlege" and in the name of doing it for "educational purposes" and the "freedom to share information".

we are just free loaders, the ones that want stuff for free, download for free, and use it for free. Isn't that the idea the most people have?

so if you want to justify what we do..don't, because it's illegal and you know it, but we do it anyways.

RealitY

09-10-2003, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@10 September 2003 - 07:23
we are just free loaders, the ones that want stuff for free, download for free, and use it for free. Isn't that the idea the most people have?
Well, FU U Freeloader...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

so if you want to justify what we do..don't, because it's illegal and you know it, but we do it anyways.
I have every right to justify it, just LEAVE ME ALONE...
Arghhhhhhhh...

U FKIN FREELOADERS...

james_bond_rulez

09-10-2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by REALITY+10 September 2003 - 08:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY @ 10 September 2003 - 08:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-james_bond_rulez@10 September 2003 - 07:23
we are just free loaders, the ones that want stuff for free, download for free, and use it for free. Isn't that the idea the most people have?
Well, FU U Freeloader...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

so if you want to justify what we do..don't, because it's illegal and you know it, but we do it anyways.
I have every right to justify it, just LEAVE ME ALONE...
Arghhhhhhhh...

U FKIN FREELOADERS... [/b][/quote]
hahah whatever dude

i am just telling the truth

RealitY

09-10-2003, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@10 September 2003 - 09:32
hahah whatever dude

i am just telling the truth
Whatever...
What Do You Mean WHATEVER

Just joking thy bringer of TRUTH.

Adster

09-10-2003, 08:47 AM

you can make a legal backup copy of your software, songs, dvds

but you are not allowed to give it to your friends or distributed it in anyway.

so why shouldn't CDRs and CDRW and DVDR be legal?

ok then whats the difference with inviting a friend over and getting them to listen to it ??

None

also I was told you cant even back up your own mp3s

james_bond_rulez

09-10-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Hogster@10 September 2003 - 08:47

you can make a legal backup copy of your software, songs, dvds

but you are not allowed to give it to your friends or distributed it in anyway.

so why shouldn't CDRs and CDRW and DVDR be legal?

ok then whats the difference with inviting a friend over and getting them to listen to it ??

None

also I was told you cant even back up your own mp3s
"ok then whats the difference with inviting a friend over and getting them to listen to it ??"

Oh so if you let your friends listen to your illegally obtained music is your friend guilty? no, you are.
that's a completely different issue and has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

and of course you can backup your own mp3's, if you made them yourself or you have a licence of ownership.

what we are discussing here is whether or not uploading or downloading copyright protected material on the internet are illegal, and I argued that it's illegal but we do it anyways.

however if you purchased a piece of software or a music CD or mp3 it's perfectly legal to make ONE backup copy for youself given you dont distribute it illegally.

RealitY

09-10-2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@10 September 2003 - 10:03
what we are discussing here is whether or not uploading or downloading copyright protected material on the internet are illegal, and I argued that it's illegal but we do it anyways.
Actually I was debating if uploading could legally truly be defined as distribution.

Adster

09-10-2003, 12:46 PM

thats what Im saying shoping centres for example have to pay licene just to play the radio same with a taxi driver what im saying is whats the difference between downlaoding uploading it ?? you still listen to it???

so what the music industry is saying is radio is ilegal we dont pay for radio?

james_bond_rulez

09-10-2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Hogster@10 September 2003 - 12:46
thats what Im saying shoping centres for example have to pay licene just to play the radio same with a taxi driver what im saying is whats the difference between downlaoding uploading it ?? you still listen to it???

so what the music industry is saying is radio is ilegal we dont pay for radio?
man the US is fucked

I dont know it works down the states but in Canada it's like I said

radio is a broadcasting service, NOT a paid subscription. Anyone with a radio can listen to it. Even restaurants in Canada can put music on to its customers and without paying shit to the radio. Illegal? i dont think so

but if you think about stealing satellite signals, if you buy one of those "special" chips and receive the signals illegally, is the satellite company doing anything illegal? i dont think so (but a lot of people in Canada steal satellite signal, illegal? yes, but does government give a shit? no, but does Balamm give a shit? yes :D)

so what i am saying is each situation is different. i am just saying that downloading and uploading pirated music are illegal. And uploading pirated mp3 IS like making CDs of the original copy and "distribute" it to everyone. By copyping the file into your shared directory you make it available for download and thus constitutes illegal distribution.

Adster

09-10-2003, 02:22 PM

yes I knwo its ilegal by law but there alot of away which can be argued as to why it shouldn't be

james_bond_rulez

09-10-2003, 02:33 PM

listen, the laws are man made. And like a lot of stuff man made, the law has flaws.

It'd be interesting to see how this one plays out.

I personally like to see the things as they are now. I dont know what the dumbass lawmakers in the US are gonna come up with in the future but I like the way things are now.

I mean you get stuff for free on the internet, not on website, but in p2p programs like kazaa and emule. yeah it's illegal but we are all bunch of p2p die-hards. who gives a shit? only the companies do

legal or not? I think it all involves MONEY. You take my money...ILLEGAL. :D

America wants to help Iraq?? NOOOOOOO.. She wants Iraqi OIL. Illegal? YES

so what's legal what's illegal, depends on how you see it. But it's all about money nowsdays

slick nick

09-10-2003, 05:13 PM

CD/ CD-RW's lkike dvd players and vcrs have legitimte use but can abused. because they can be used that doesn't mean they should be aoutlawed.

"ok then whats the difference with inviting a friend over and getting them to listen to it ??"

the difference is you are not physically distributing copyrighted material(allowing uploads, selling bootlegs) that you're unlicensed to.

"None"

Just showed there is.

"also I was told you cant even back up your own mp3s"

"thats what Im saying shoping centres for example have to pay licene just to play the radio same with a taxi driver what im saying is whats the difference between downlaoding uploading it ?? you still listen to it???

they pay for a license for a right to broadcast. you don't. listening to it is not the question. uploading copyrighted material is unlicensed distribution of materials you have no rights or license to. downloading is the equivalent of walking into a store and walking out without paying.

"so what the music industry is saying is radio is ilegal we dont pay for radio?"

as you said they have a licencse to play it so it can't be illegal. no one is going to sit around taping off the radio all day. people do it but it does not damage the industry. though in the 80's the riaa did have a campaign against taping off the radio as id the mpaa concerning vcrs.

loz

09-10-2003, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by slick nick@10 September 2003 - 17:13
as you said they have a licencse to play it so it can't be illegal. no one is going to sit around taping off the radio all day. people do it but it does not damage the industry.
But some mp3s are ripped of the radio & as it's true you might not sit there ALL day taping off the radio if I couldn't find the song I wanted on mp3 & it was on the radio then yes I may record it.

slick nick

09-10-2003, 05:29 PM

when the majority are radio rips there may be some creedence to that but we all know most of it is cd ripped stuff. radio recording is not going to ever outdue filesharing.

Switeck

09-10-2003, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez+10 September 2003 - 09:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (james_bond_rulez @ 10 September 2003 - 09:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Hogster@10 September 2003 - 12:46
thats what Im saying shoping centres for example have to pay licene just to play the radio same with a taxi driver what im saying is whats the difference between downlaoding uploading it ?? you still listen to it???

so what the music industry is saying is radio is ilegal we dont pay for radio? man the US is fucked

I dont know it works down the states but in Canada it's like I said

radio is a broadcasting service, NOT a paid subscription. Anyone with a radio can listen to it. Even restaurants in Canada can put music on to its customers and without paying shit to the radio. Illegal? i dont think so

but if you think about stealing satellite signals, if you buy one of those "special" chips and receive the signals illegally, is the satellite company doing anything illegal? i dont think so (but a lot of people in Canada steal satellite signal, illegal? yes, but does government give a shit? no, but does Balamm give a shit? yes :D)

so what i am saying is each situation is different. i am just saying that downloading and uploading pirated music are illegal. And uploading pirated mp3 IS like making CDs of the original copy and "distribute" it to everyone. By copyping the file into your shared directory you make it available for download and thus constitutes illegal distribution.[/b][/quote]The whole reason why restaurants not paying a license fee to play the radio is BECOMING ILLEGAL has everything to do with power, corruption, greed, and self-destructiveness and nothing to do with what's good for the consumers, the economy, or the very industries (in the long run) that want such suicidal laws.

File-sharing of copyrighted material is illegal, but it shouldn't be ...due to the losses of freedom of the press and even freedom of speech needed to prevent it.

Copyright is actually a misnomer, it's not a right at all! It's a PRIVILEGE granted for a limited time by the government to an artist or company, unlike RIGHTS which are not granted by the government and DO NOT expire. Those copyright 'limited times' have been extended without either public debate or public vote or public support. Extra stipulations (end-user's licensing agreements: the devil's in the details) have been tacked on, which reduces what manners of use by the consumers of the materials are deemed 'legal' by the creater/seller.

There are Kazaa viruses which turn on sharing in Kazaa/Kazaa Lite, thus probably making everything downloaded into the default download directory shared -- as well as sharing themselves from a hidden directory. (c:\windows\cache32 or c:\windows\scache32 -- if those directories exist, YOUR COMPUTER IS PROBABLY INFECTED!) They are brutally common -- I estimate over 1 million computers have been infected by them.

loz

09-10-2003, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Switeck@10 September 2003 - 23:02

There are Kazaa viruses which turn on sharing in Kazaa/Kazaa Lite, thus probably making everything downloaded into the default download directory shared -- as well as sharing themselves from a hidden directory. (c:\windows\cache32 or c:\windows\scache32 -- if those directories exist, YOUR COMPUTER IS PROBABLY INFECTED!) They are brutally common -- I estimate over 1 million computers have been infected by them.
Yes I had it, was a bitch to get rid off :(
....but that was like over a year ago.

DasScoot

09-11-2003, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by loz+10 September 2003 - 23:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (loz @ 10 September 2003 - 23:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Switeck@10 September 2003 - 23:02

There are Kazaa viruses which turn on sharing in Kazaa/Kazaa Lite, thus probably making everything downloaded into the default download directory shared -- as well as sharing themselves from a hidden directory. (c:\windows\cache32 or c:\windows\scache32 -- if those directories exist, YOUR COMPUTER IS PROBABLY INFECTED!) They are brutally common -- I estimate over 1 million computers have been infected by them.
Yes I had it, was a bitch to get rid off :(
....but that was like over a year ago. [/b][/quote]
Really? That's the perfect defense - "Your Honor, a virus infected my computer and shared those files".

Switeck

09-11-2003, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by DasScoot+10 September 2003 - 19:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DasScoot @ 10 September 2003 - 19:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by loz@10 September 2003 - 23:07
<!--QuoteBegin-Switeck@10 September 2003 - 23:02

There are Kazaa viruses which turn on sharing in Kazaa/Kazaa Lite, thus probably making everything downloaded into the default download directory shareYes I had it, was a bitch to get rid off :(
....but that was like over a year ago. Really? That's the perfect defense - "Your Honor, a virus infected my computer and shared those files".[/b][/quote]I think it was Klez or Nimda that was sending out infector emails which also grabbed a random text document from the infected and attached it to the email. More than 1 corporation lost 'corporate secrets' due to these 'insignificant' annoyances. :lol:

Althouh both are over a year old now, both are STILL in the top 20 most common viruses 'in the wild' right now.

The Kazaa virus I'm familiar with briefly got into the TOP 5 of most common viruses in the last 3 months and it's also in the top 20.

Do a search on KL++ for "BearShare 5.1.1.exe" or "Ad-Aware 6.5.exe" -- those are just 2 of the fake names the virus uses to spread...