P4 2.8 Or 3.0ghz?

[Keikan]

I really can decide which one to get

Intel Pentium 4 2.8ghz 800fsb $419
Intel Pentium 4 3.0ghz 800fsb $599

I save around 200 dollars for 200mhz

Which should i get?

[3rd gen noob]

if you have copius amounts of money, get the 3.0GHz chip.
otherwise, the 2.8GHz chip should easily suit your needs

[Keikan]

One more thing i want my cpu to last as long as possible before 3 years later when games need like 3ghz as mininum

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Keikan@9 September 2003 - 05:04
One more thing i want my cpu to last as long as possible before 3 years later when games need like 3ghz as mininum
basically it depends how much money you have
i'm not trying to be rude, but if you are rich then get the 3.0GHz chip (obviously), if you've been saving up for a while to get a new cpu, it may be worth getting the 2.8GHz chip and uprating other parts of your system (gpu, ram, motherboard...)

[Keikan]

Would my pc be fast if i had 2.8ghz 2gig o ram?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Keikan@9 September 2003 - 05:17
Would my pc be fast if i had 2.8ghz 2gig o ram?
there's no real point having anything more than a gig or a gig ad a half of ram unless you plan to do some pretty heavy 3d work, or want to run 20 instances of a program at the same time
1 gig of ram should do you fine
what gpu you got? might be worth upgrading that

[Keikan]

My needs:

Playing Games
Encoding VCD/SVCD mpegs (In less than 4hrs please!!!)
WAtching divx movies
Everyday stuff (e-mail,web surfing etc.)
A pc that will meet the mininum requirements of games for more than 3 years if possible

What i'm looking at

P4 2.8ghz/3.0ghz
1024mb ram
GENERIC geforce fx5600 256mb vid card

[theprisoner]

if they both have the 800mhz front side bus i would get the 2.8. There is a very little difference in processers, the bus is what matters. I have a 2.4(533 fsb) and my friend has a 1.2ghz(533fsb) and theres a very little difference. Also go a little higher and get the fx5900(the 5600 is very lound and it tested below the ati radeon 9700) or radeon 9800 256mb

[Broken]

2.8 or 3.0 ghz... it really doesn't matter. In 8 months they'll both be obsolete. Save the money and get ready to buy the computer after that if you wanna stay current. B)

[3rd gen noob]

that setup should do you well
the only possible weak point is the graphics card. you might want to be prepared to replace that in about a year or so, apart from that, it's a nice setup :D

as for the encoding you mention, my current setup (athlon 2700+, 512MB ram) takes approx 1.2 times real time to encode avi to vcd, so your proposed setup should do avi to vcd in real time or better

[Somebody1234]

Save the cash and get the 2.8!
Maybe even a 2.6. How much would that one cost you?
You won't be able to tell the difference unless you run a benchmark test.

With the cash you save you will be able to get a faster CPU later on when they will be much cheaper.

[adamp2p]

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[adamp2p]

Here is a good review of this super mother board get this one dude! (http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=1851)

It cost over $200. I would buy it if I had the dough...

Save your money and get the 2.6 and overclock to 3.0 (and your chip will still be healthy...). Use the money you save to get the:

http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4c800-e_d/P4C800-e_d-box.jpg

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTE0

Or the wireless solution if you really want to geek it! It has all the features to dream of...onboard RAID via Intel Application Accerator, gigabit LAN, overclocking by MHz..etc..etc...I do not see the sense in buying the 3.0 chip unless you do not get a thrill from tweaking your computer. I personally derive much pleasure from such activities...oh yes... B)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by theprisoner@9 September 2003 - 05:28
if they both have the 800mhz front side bus i would get the 2.8. There is a very little difference in processers, the bus is what matters. I have a 2.4(533 fsb) and my friend has a 1.2ghz(533fsb) and theres a very little difference. Also go a little higher and get the fx5900(the 5600 is very lound and it tested below the ati radeon 9700) or radeon 9800 256mb
i just received my comp from ibuypower, and it's P4 2.4 ghz {800 FSB}. I thought p4 2.4 ghz doesn't go that high?? :huh:

[adamp2p]

The 2.4C can be overclocked as well, but because intel locks the multiplier in their chips, you overclock the front side bus a crazy amount and unless you have crazy cooling you might end up damaging hardware.

...the 2.4 chip should theoretically be able to do 3.0, and I have read accounts of such an overclock, but in order to use stock cooling, the 2.6 or 2.8 would be a better candidate for overclocking to 3 GHz and beyond...

[lynx]

The problem with overclocking the FSB is that at the same time you will also be overclocking the AGP, pci, memory, etc. Any one of these could cause your system to become unstable, and working out which one is damn near impossible. depending on the motherboard, you can often rule out memory as the cause by setting the memory clock down by 33MHz relative to the system clock before you start to raise the system clock speed, but remember that with multipliers in the region of 15 and above, raising the system clock by 1MHz increases the processor speed by 15MHz or more, so it is very easy to suddenly push your processor over the limit.

Do not assume that just because setting clock speeds dynamically seems to work, that your system is still going to boot later. My own system (AMD XP 1700+, nominal speed 1466 MHz) runs fine at 1540 MHz if the new speeds are applied after the system is up and running. But if I try to make the required changes permanent in the bios, the system simply will not boot. I suspect that this is caused by the increased speed of the pci bus, because I have an old adaptec scsi card which almost certainly objects to resetting when the pci specification is out of tolerance, but once reset it does not notice an increase in the system clock so it continues to work quite happily.

I don't know if overclockers have found a way to unlock the pentium chip in the same way that they have with the athlon chips (I've looked but never seen anything), this is another reason why I am sticking with AMD, because I know there are ways of increasing processor performance without compromising the rest of the system.

[clocker]

Originally posted by Broken@8 September 2003 - 23:29
2.8 or 3.0 ghz... it really doesn't matter. In 8 months they'll both be obsolete. Save the money and get ready to buy the computer after that if you wanna stay current. B)
I agree.

You mention that you'd like to stay current for 3 years.

I think the only piece of computer hardware that has stayed current for that long is the floppy drive.

Maybe the ON/OFF button too.

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by clocker+9 September 2003 - 13:35--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker &#064; 9 September 2003 - 13:35)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Broken@8 September 2003 - 23:29
2.8 or 3.0 ghz... it really doesn&#39;t matter. In 8 months they&#39;ll both be obsolete. Save the money and get ready to buy the computer after that if you wanna stay current.&nbsp; B)
I agree.

You mention that you&#39;d like to stay current for 3 years.

I think the only piece of computer hardware that has stayed current for that long is the floppy drive.

Maybe the ON/OFF button too. [/b][/quote]
Oh come on, by 3 years from now, u will have enough to upgrade anyway.

And 8 months from now, ur computer will still be fine, Pentium 4 2ghz chips have been out about that long, and the 2ghz chips arnt &#39;obselete&#39;

EDIT:

Anyway, more importantly, your paying too much, here are your options.

AMD 3000 XP+ = 270 Dollars. (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=19-103-381&depa=1)
Pentium 4 2.8Ghz HT 800Mhz = 267 Dollars (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=19-116-161&depa=1)
Pentium 4 3ghz HT 800Mhz = 389 Dollars (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduct.asp?description=19-116-156&depa=1)

The 3200 AMD is about 460, with the 2.3 P4 a bit higher than that.

Hope this helps, ALOT.

[_John_Lennon_]

Bump

[strim99]

save ur cash and get an AMD athlon or barton processor. much faster fer half the cost - friggin intel is a rip.

[Keikan]

Originally posted by strim99@11 September 2003 - 00:16
save ur cash and get an AMD athlon or barton processor. much faster fer half the cost - friggin intel is a rip.
You mean AMD Athlon XP 3000+ barton?

[Keikan]

Originally posted by clocker+9 September 2003 - 11:35--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 9 September 2003 - 11:35)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Broken@8 September 2003 - 23:29
2.8 or 3.0 ghz...&nbsp; it really doesn&#39;t matter. In 8 months they&#39;ll both be obsolete. Save the money and get ready to buy the computer after that if you wanna stay current.&nbsp; B)
I agree.

You mention that you&#39;d like to stay current for 3 years.

I think the only piece of computer hardware that has stayed current for that long is the floppy drive.

Maybe the ON/OFF button too. [/b][/quote]
Thats not what i mean i mean i want my computer to meet the minimum requirements for games/apps for atleast 3 years like this computer i can&#39;t run shit cuz it need like 700mhz processers

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by Keikan+11 September 2003 - 23:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Keikan @ 11 September 2003 - 23:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-strim99@11 September 2003 - 00:16
save ur cash and get an AMD athlon or barton processor.&nbsp; much faster fer half the cost - friggin intel is a rip.
You mean AMD Athlon XP 3000+ barton? [/b][/quote]
The highest end processors are a false economy. If you look at the price for an Athlon XP 2400+, it&#39;ll probably be about a quarter of the price of an Athlon XP 3000+, despite offering (theoretically) 80% of the speed.

[Keikan]

Umm does it have a barton core?

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by Keikan@11 September 2003 - 23:55
Umm does it have a barton core?
No. If you want a cheap Barton, go for the 2500+.

But what does the core matter? It&#39;s the performance and features vs. price you should worry about - you should try to strike a balance.


I recently chose to buy a 2600+ processor, which enjoys the benefits of a 333MHz FSB while still remaining much cheaper than any other AMD processor with the same FSB.
Balance between power and price, you see?

[Keikan]

What does a person have to do to get some good image hosting around here?

http://www.angelfire.com/alt2/keikan/difference.gif

[Lamsey]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/misc.jpg

[Keikan]

AW fuck geocities

[lynx]

The link doesn&#39;t work either.

Edit: Oh, you noticed.

[Evil Gemini]

Maybe the ON/OFF button too

They were different in the AT cases.

[Supernatural]

2.8C is the best performance for the value right now. The P4 C chips have a better performance:cost ratio than even the Athlon chips. Since you plan on doing media encoding, P4 with hyper-threading is the clear choice for you.

2.8Ghz Pentium 4 800Mhz FSB OEM (http://www.upgrade-solution.com/detail.cfm?show=yes&PID=746&add=yes) &#036;257 USD shipped

[Keikan]

So umm is amd really better than intel?

[ooo]

2.66 is what i got right now... i got it for 260 i think... its pretty nice.... some motherboards got the bios overclocking feature... :P easier to overclock

[Blaster.Master]

Right now I have a 933MHz P3 :(

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by Keikan@12 September 2003 - 19:17
So umm is amd really better than intel?
Depends on what your budget situation is, and what you want to do, really.

[bigdawgfoxx]

Nothing can beat the 3.2 Ghz P4..everyone knows that...and the XP3200 is about the same price...but for your money AMD is better....I would wait till the presscot come out or the Athlon 64...either way the P4 will drop in price a ton

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@13 September 2003 - 02:59
Nothing can beat the 3.2 Ghz P4..everyone knows that...and the XP3200 is about the same price...but for your money AMD is better....I would wait till the presscot come out or the Athlon 64...either way the P4 will drop in price a ton
Hey big dawg, you are finally starting to make some sense; just kidding...lol.

By the way, dude, your image hosting sucks, we can&#39;t see ya anymore...

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/wavesad.gif

[ooo]

amd doesnt seem that bad...

amd 2400 to intel 2.4
amd seemed better....

[Lamsey]

Below 2.4GHz/2400, AMD chips beat their Intel counterparts as a rule.

Above that, Intel chips have a slight advantage of the AMD equivalent. This is due to the fact that AMD&#39;s model rating system is based on the original Athlon, which isn&#39;t changing in design, but the Intel P4s are becoming more refined with every revision.

[bigdawgfoxx]

yeah sorry bout the image thing...i was "idle" to long so they deleted my acount...whats a good hoster that WONT delete my account? thanx

[adamp2p]

join at xpthings.com and they will let you upload a large image to your account avatar