Someone fed my computers after midnight

[Detale]

OK so there are fucking gremlins in my house ATM running through both rigs at the same time. OK so I was doing fresh install on the main WC rig and so I had both computers set up in my living room when the kids were asleep. The Water cooled rig... well in short even with a hose clamp it came off while it was running and of course the hose pointed at a fan and pissed blue fluid all over. OK a setback shirley, but wait if you call withing the next 10 min...
http://www.davidcraigslist.com/gmapatti/computergremlins.jpg


Literally 10 min later, just as I finish cleaning up the mess in my living room. the HTPC rig Ive been using for now started acting odd. It restarted out of nowhere and I was getting multiple Blue screens I figured a fluke or power surge or something. I was trying to burn a copy of Windows 7 beta. I kept getting error message during the install

"Windows cannot copy files required for installation. The files may be corrupt or missing. Make sure all files required for installation are available, and restart the installation. Error code: 0x80070241"

I cant find any info really on it and Im too tired and frustrated to go looking now ARGH!! So I had to install vista 32(the only disk I had close by) to even get here to bitch. so here goes SONS OF BITCHES M)THER F*CK3RS! Ahh i feel better.

I did notice my rig seems really hot, not warm, but hot. The PSU is really warm (here is where I get yelled at) I had never gotten around to ordering another Corsair for the HTPC rig instead I used an old Rosewill 500 I had laying around :pinch: I know I know. But the Ram seems warm as well and the NB is screaming hot!! I mean burn your finger hot. I plugged in a 80mm fan and have it leaning on it to cool it down for now.

Oh we're not done yet ladies and germs. I am feeling around for the hotspots and I have a scyth mini ninja cooler that I tried to feel behind and two of the crappy plastic pins popped out SON OF A BITCH. I litterally have the CPU cooler resting on the CPU ATM with only 2 pins pushed in. Im stunned to see that Speedfan shows the CPU temp between 38-43. Go mini Ninja ;)

So looks like I'm going to have to do some unplanned shopping soon. On a budget since it's just aftre Xmas and Im outta work for about another 3 weeks :( I still don't know if anything is damaged from the water cooling accident but hopefully I can put some pieces together and get at least one decent rig working by tomorrow. I cant leave this one on too long for fear the temp will spike and ruin something here as well or catch fire and kill me in my sleep.

Another thing I just noticed is the CPU fan wasn't working anymore :idunno: none of the fan headers are. hmmm maybe my board is partially fried?? What do you guys think???

EDIT: WOW I just realized i didn't post my specs :slap:

CASE Thermaltake DH102 (http://www.thermaltake.com/product_info.aspx?PARENT_CID=C_00000493&id=C_00000494&name=DH102&ovid=n) Yeah bitches!!!:gunsmilie

PSU Rosewill RP500-2 500W ATX12V v2.01 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182016) I know I know

MoBo GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059)

Vid Card SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102770)

Ram G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145)

HDD's Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136283) X2

[clocker]

Jeez, you have the worst luck.
I can't believe a hose- clamped with a wormdrive, no less- just popped off the barb and firehosed your PC.
I mean, these pumps don't generate that much pressure to be exploding the loop like that.

As for the HTPC rig...
When everything in the case is hot, I'd have to suspect the case itself.
The PSU- crappy as it might be- might blow things but it shouldn't make them hot.

Maybe remove the guts and run it on the table...see if the overheating problem persists.

Good luck, dude.

[Detale]

Well... It wasn't exactly a worm drive
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/CLAMP_RED.jpg

but it was on there tight. I did some reading and some say that the error code could be bad ram I ran memtest for about 6 hours and all is fine there.

You read my mind I have the top off of it right now but the NB is still screaming hot. The PSU is also warmer than I'd like too. I'm going to open it up and check the caps for any bulging and my fan headers are dead as door nails, but the USB headers are fine. I'm going to take the Corsair 620 out of the main rig today and put it in her and see what happens.

[clocker]

That kind of clamp should work fine- hell, for years I just used zip ties and never had any trouble.

Sounding more and more as though the motherboard might be the root cause of this.
Swapping out the PSU might confirm it.

[Detale]

Again you read my mind. I was just coming back here to ask if anyone knew what the difference was between these two boards
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128359)
and
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358)

Other than another PCI clot on the "P" model I cant seem to see it.

Considering I only have about $250 to spend I think Im goiing to wait on the PSU and use the 620HX I have. JG forums are so hard to navigate when I'm looking for a decent reasonably priced PSU.

Clocker do you have any idea what the minimum watts I would need are. This one was 500 watts and it lasted me about 4 years or so,helping out when it was needed, but now I have that fancy vid card in there so I'm not sure.

[Cabalo]

shit, bad luck you had over there.
here in europe we use a different system to clamp the hoses, generated via vacuum, which in my point of view is way safer. When i see US built water systems, i also get a chill when i see clamps, though they must necessarily provide some kind of protection, though it never convinced me.
About the pressure to explode a loop, i have it many times in consideration, and that's why time to time i open my water deposits so that the pressure can be released, and many times i noticed it had some on the system.
Lucky you, that you had the system powered off from the chord, and you can dry out the components with an hair dryer, otherwise it would have been a disaster.
good luck there mate, these things happen to us, custom builders ;)

[Detale]

Thanks C, but the system was running when it blew. Please elaborate on this vaccuem you speak of for me please.

[Cabalo]

Thanks C, but the system was running when it blew. Please elaborate on this vaccuem you speak of for me please.
it's a system where you actually plug the hose inside the connector to the waterblocks. Aquacomputer, alphacool and some other brands produce it that way. It's called Plug n' Cool.
let me get you some pics:

http://www.coldzero.pt/coldzero/Produto.asp?Artigo=2085

here in this shop you can find most of what i am talking about, though also barb connectors can be found.
These are mostly german brands.

[Detale]

Hmmm but what holds the hose in place? How is a vacuum created in there?

Ahh Its not exactly a vacuum its more like a cable connector if anyone here has ever done any Cable work ;)


The Aqua Computer Plug & Cool fitting is a special "push-in" fitting that uses the quick release method of securing a water tube. The Plug & Cool fitting is easy to use as it simply requires the plastic locking top to be depressed inward as you insert your tubing. When the tubing is inserted all the way in to the base of the fitting the Plug & Cool will lock it down and keep the tube locked into place until you press the lock top inward again and pull the tube out at the same time. Plug & Cool fittings are for use with Aqua Computer products using 6mm inside diameter (ID) x 8mm outside diameter (OD) tubing. The tubing for a quick release fitting such as this must be firm and relatively hard for the best protection against leaks. This fitting is also fit with a 1/8" BSP (British Standard Pipe) parallel thread which makes it compatible with Aqua Computer hardware. The rubber o-ring ensures no leaks on the threaded side when this fitting is tightened down and the rubber compresses

Pretty cool but I wonder if I can find the MM conversion for a 5/8" OD hose. I think I may just spend some money and get compression fittings from bitspower

[Cabalo]

yes, once you insert the hose, it's nearly impossible to remove it. It has a pressure zone to remove the vacuum and easily take out the hose.
me and a friend were trying to forcefully remove a hose from such a plug, and it was needed 2 guys with brute force to put it out.
pretty safe imo.

[Detale]

Again you read my mind. I was just coming back here to ask if anyone knew what the difference was between these two boards
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128359)
and
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358)

Other than another PCI clot on the "P" model I cant seem to see it.

Considering I only have about $250 to spend I think Im goiing to wait on the PSU and use the 620HX I have. JG forums are so hard to navigate when I'm looking for a decent reasonably priced PSU.

Clocker do you have any idea what the minimum watts I would need are. This one was 500 watts and it lasted me about 4 years or so,helping out when it was needed, but now I have that fancy vid card in there so I'm not sure.

Well Im ordering the "R" model since its a little cheaper and I don't need a second PCIX8 slot or two Ethernet ports either so there I go.


Now I need a good recommendation for a PSU around $100 if anyone has a suggestion, Thanks

EDIT: After searching JG for a while I think I may go with this Hiper Type M 630W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817128014) it got a 9 from JG and is only $95 and It's Modular really good deal IMHO Also I see they have a HIPER Type M II HPU-5M730 730W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817128021) for only $99. Now JG hasn't reviewed this exact model but all the other Hiper products have a 9 out of 10 rating so do you guys think it's safe to assume its a good PSU? again it's modular 730W and only $99. My problem is that if it seems too good to be tru then....

What do you boys think I should do?

[ryan20021982]

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W on sale for $99.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005



I have one of these in my server and its pretty nice, pretty quiet and running good so far been almost 6 months, powers 9hdds and everything else

Coolmax CU=700B 700W $79.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159089

[Detale]

Ryan are you saying you have the Corsair or the Coolmax in your server?

Thanks I may just get the corsair instead I have the 620HX and love itBTW I though it was modular turns out its not :(

Also as a personal update as to how the new year is starting out I went to move my car today only to find someone had smashed in my front passenger side door and must have just left again I say MOTHER F*CKER. Ok it's not too bad, the door opens and the window works fine but it looks like crap. Then my driverside headlght is out as well and I get a ticket for it. This will not be my year I can tell already 8 days in and I'm going to murder someone

[ryan20021982]

I have the coolmax

[Detale]

Really, well I went with the corsair because Im a bit of a brand whore and my 620 HX has stood tough for a while now.

[kooftspc11]

it was me who pulled the hose :)

dont be mad

[Detale]

I don't doubt it was you :eyebrows:

OK so I spent all last night taking everything apart and installing my new Mobo and PSU, rewiring everything all nice and neat, you know making a project out of it :P. One of the cheapo plastic clips on my Scythe mini Ninja broke off and I don't even have a stock Intel cooler around to swipe one of the pieces from so I just grabbed my Enzotech extreme X and it just barely fits, Thank god. Also I changed the fans to put some new ones in there (I had some laying around)

Now I did a fresh install of Win7 all was going great no issuses or anything. Installed whatever programs I wanted,Checked all my temps. I OC'd the 8400 to 3.6 on stock voltage without a hitch, ran occp for two hours, all checked out. All was good so I decide to stop and get some sleep at 7AM.

I get up at around 11AM to find the computer off but the power light was on. "Oh shit". Nothing is working I try restarting...notyhing. I figure let me reset the bios and see if that works. I take the cover off of the top and jesus the heat coming from the two HDDs is incredible and the fans arent spinning again!! Just like the first time the HDD's are screaming hot and the fans aren't working. So I let the computer sit for a while until they cool off. I start her up and she's fine again. The fans did come back this time though whew. I have the top off now and seemingly all is OK.

Now when I bought the case Thermaltake DH102 (http://www.thermaltake.com/product_info.aspx?PARENT_CID=C_00000493&id=C_00000494&name=DH102&ovid=n) I saw that the hard drive's werent exactly in the best spot but I've seen worse.
http://www.thermaltake.com/db/Editor/Assets/00_vh2001_dh%20102_airflow.jpg

Again the case doesn't have the best ventillation out there but it has been fine for the 6-8 months that Ive had it. The vent holes on the top are only over the back section of the case
http://www.thermaltake.com/db/Editor/Assets/00_ventilation-.jpg

and not over the HDD's an oversight I'm sure. Or they figured it's adequate maybe :idunno:

Here's my piccadillo, The case has been fine for the 6-8 months I've owned it no overheating issues of any kind. The HDD's are pretty new so I don't think that theres a problem there although I have to find some software to check them out(suggestions anyone) . The only thing that has been changes is installing Windows 7. I don't think that this could be related at all, could I be wrong? I am planning on swapping out the drives in a bit but I don't have the time right now. I have to leave the top off as the HDD's are hot even now with the top off the case. I....I don't know. I'm tired and stuck on this guys please help.

Specs:
NEW - CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005)
NEW - GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128359) (Great board BTW thanks Clocker again)
Vid Card SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102770)
Ram G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231145)
HDD's Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136283) X2
E8400 OC'd to 3.6 now at 3.0

[clocker]

You have a piccadillo?
Male or female?

It's not Win 7- unless you haven't turned off Indexing and Auto Defrag...but even that shouldn't make such a big difference.
What OS were you running before?

Could you maybe move the HDD cage in front of the intake fan?


BTW...your Wolfie will probably run stock speed- and even 3.6GHZ- at way below "stock" voltage.
Try 1.1v and see what happens.

[Detale]

I was using a copy of VistaX64. Another thought was I just changed the ram as I had some in the WC rig that still sits there mocking me. Maybe that'll help?

In front of the intake fan is the touch screen :P I think I know what you mean though, I would have to rotate the cage 90 degrees and figure out how to mount it like that sturdily. I'm still puzzled as to how this problem of heat could be all of a sudden. Im also going to swap the HDD and use only 1 to see if it'll keep the heat down.

What software does anyone reccomend to check the HDD for problems? Should I just use windows?

[Cabalo]

HDtach - http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public/index.php?request=HdTach
it's for benchmarking, but i use it as a diagnosis tool, as everytime you see something really hawkward in the graph, you know there is a problem.

[clocker]

All of the manufacturers make diagnostic/testing tools for their drives...get them direct.

[Detale]

Ah I see I'll try those out. Also I was mistaken only one of the drives was a WD the other is a seagate ;)

BTW does anyone know how to get this snappy looking taskbar in this Win 7 pic :huh:
http://www.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/win4.jpg

I think it looks cool as hell but cant seem to find how to make it look like this :idunno:

[clocker]

That's not Win7...no watermark above the clock.
Probably a skinned XP install.

[tesco]

That's not Win7...no watermark above the clock.
Probably a skinned XP install.
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/01/05/remove-windows-7-watermark-for-testing-purposes-only-evaluation-copy-test-mode-on-desktop/

[clocker]

Yeah, OK.
I still say it's a skinned XP...I recognize that clock from back in the day.

[Detale]

Well i saw the image on the newspage here as a screenshot :idunno:

How to Get Your Windows 7 Beta 1 on Jan 9 (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-how-get-your-windows-7-beta-1-jan-9-post3094882/postcount1)

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../images/smilies/news_source.gif Source: http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/win...ws-7-beta.aspx (http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/01/07/information-on-downloading-and-installing-windows-7-beta.aspx)
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../images/smilies/news_view.gif Homepage: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/../images/smilies/news_screenshot.gif Screenshot: http://www.redmondpie.com/wp-content...08/07/win4.jpg (http://www.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/win4.jpg)

[clocker]

Yup, you're right.
Now that I look, I see the "Music Library" which is definitely a Win7 feature, ain't it?

Fuck, I hate being wrong.

I have no idea how they expanded the taskbar like that and come to think of it, wonder why you'd want to.
Reminds me of all the old ladies browsers I see with so many toolbars installed that there's no room left for the browser window.
But to each his own...that's what makes this country great.

/channeling Clint Eastwood

[Detale]

AH ha you spoke too soon man. Apparently it's not W7 but a longhorn prototype called the "doubledecker" (http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071206/double-decker-longhorn-taskbar/) taskbar. Well that ruined my day :eyebrows:

C'mon now man...you...wrong, pfft never