What Are You Burning With Cdr Or Dvd Or Both?

[vader]

I am using an LG GSA 4040B
WRITES-DVD+R/-R at 4x--DVD+RW at 2.4x--DVD-RW at 2x--DVD-RAM at 3x
-CD-R at 24x--CD-RW at 16x

Reads-DVD-ROM at 12x--CD-ROM at 32x

and a samsung RW 16--10--32

The LG I have had less than a week and with an apex 1500 and an All In Wonder 9000 card in conjuction with NEO DVD I am now making Perfect DVD"S

[Somebody1234]

How do you like that LG GSA 4040B?

I have been looking into getting exactly that model. Prices keep lowering.

Did you get it as a boxed unit or OEM?

[vader]

I got it boxed from futershoppe canada very nice comes with Neo DVD and a copy of Power DVD too.... It had a $100.00 off and $100.00 for rebate so I'll pay 199.99 plus tax when all is said and done..

[adamp2p]

Why mess with 4X?



"Plextor 708A: First exclusive look at 8X DVD+R
Review | Sep 12th, 2003 11:11 PM
Philips spearheaded the DVD+R forum into 8X DVD+R speeds back in July, but today, we get to see the first actual 8X DVD+R drive in action. Who wouldn’t want to burn 4.38GB of data in 8 minutes? Oh, and you can do it on 4X media too."

Well I guess the prices on the 4X model will go down as a result of this release."
"Plextor 708A: First exclusive look at 8X DVD+R (http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.html?i=1864)

[Somebody1234]

Cool. I've been looking at that special from Future Shop too. It's been around for a few weeks now. I also have access to an OEM LG GSA 4040B drive for $179.00 Canadian without any rebates to worry about and I don't have to pay the tax on the total before rebate price.

[vader]

so you have one then?

[Somebody1234]

Originally posted by adamp2p@13 September 2003 - 01:06
Why mess with 4X? 



"Plextor 708A: First exclusive look at 8X DVD+R
Review | Sep 12th, 2003 11:11 PM
Philips spearheaded the DVD+R forum into 8X DVD+R speeds back in July, but today, we get to see the first actual 8X DVD+R drive in action. Who wouldn’t want to burn 4.38GB of data in 8 minutes? Oh, and you can do it on 4X media too."

Well I guess the prices on the 4X model will go down as a result of this release."
"Plextor 708A: First exclusive look at 8X DVD+R (http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.html?i=1864)
Because I want to burn DVD-R too.

[Somebody1234]

Originally posted by vader@13 September 2003 - 01:08
so you have one then?
No, I didn't get it yet.

[vader]

Yes ok I read the add and sounds great, but I do get a little leary when companies use words like should instead of will burn on 4x dvd's as well. We'll keep an eye on that one....thanks

[mogadishu]

im going to wait until they are 100 for a 6x..

[mogadishu]

btw.. is it possible to make cd writers that burn at higher speeds.. like up to 100x?

[Somebody1234]

100x is too fast. The CD would spin so fast it would fly apart.

@vader, I found this image. Perhaps you would like it for your sig?

http://www.theforce.net/scifi3d/starwars/deathstar.jpg

[vader]

Thanks got that one though...I am going to bed chat yas tomorrow

[toddiscool]

Speaking of is it possible..

Will it or would it be possible to partition a DVD disc. Point being that for burning image files, it would be nice if i could put multiples on one dvd disc. I doubt that this is do-able. I know very little about the technology as of yet, just trying to find out if it is something that I want or not.

If it is only gonna be posible to burn one thing, weather it be image or video cd to a dvdr disk there really will be no point in it for me.

[adamp2p]

Well, I guess that is pretty cheap for a DVD writer for so many features; however, for about 60 dollars more you can get this baby, by entering the coupon code at http://www.compuhq.com/plpxintdv8xd.html :
ANANDTECH10
much more powerful...
http://store5.yimg.com/I/compuhq_1759_773664.jpg
Interface IDE
CD Write Speed 40X, 32X, 24X (CAV)
16X, 12X, 8X, 4X (CLV)
CD Rewrite Speed 24X, 16X (CAV)
12X, 8X, 4X (CLV)
CD Read Speed 40X Max (CAV)
DVD-R Write Speed 4X, 2X, 1X (CLV)
DVD-RW Rewrite Speed 2X, 1X (CLV)
DVD+R Write Speed 8X (Z-CLV)
4X, 2X (CLV)
DVD+RW Rewrite Speed 4X, 2.4X (CLV)
DVD Read Speed 16X Max (16,620KB/s) (CAV)
Supported Modes DAO / DAO-RAW 16 & 96
TAO
SAO / SAO 16 & 96
Packet Write
MultiSession
Supported Formats DVD+R (DAO, incremental, seq)
DVD+RW (random)
DVD-R (DAO, incremental, seq)
DVD-RW (random)
CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM, CD-DA,
CD-ROM XA, Mixed Mode, CD Extra
Photo CD, CD Text, Bootable CD, UDF
Access Time CD: 130ms
DVD: 180ms
Buffer 2MB

Edit: oh, you are talking Canadian, eh? Well then this is consideribly more expensive in that case...

[Somebody1234]

Well that's not $60 more. We were talking Canadian dollars and that is in the USA so it works out to a lot more.

But I must say... That unit looks mighty interesting.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Somebody1234@13 September 2003 - 07:47
Well that's not $60 more. We were talking Canadian dollars and that is in the USA so it works out to a lot more.

But I must say... That unit looks mighty interesting.
Hey Somebody1234, guess what? I got hit by a moving car yesterday while crossing the street by a Toyota 4 Runner! I got knocked on the groud, firemen came, police report, everything! Nothing broken, but serious bruises...I could not go right to the hospital because I had a Calculus 2 class 15 minutes later...so I went to class all bloody...to get the take home test for our class (edit, I went to the hospital right after)...we have a test on Monday...

So what am I rambling about this for? Well I am going to get a pretty large settlement, I think, in the ballpark of over $5,000 US dollars! I am going to build a bad ass machine and get one of those 8X babies!

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/w00tjump.gif

[mogadishu]

that site cant ship to canada.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by mogadishu@13 September 2003 - 08:06
that site cant ship to canada.
Man, this board is infested with Canadians and prepubescents!

(hey I like Canada, the home of RUSH, my favorite all time band) :blink:

You Canadians might have to look elsewhere for that piece.

[mogadishu]

Originally posted by adamp2p+13 September 2003 - 02:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 13 September 2003 - 02:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-mogadishu@13 September 2003 - 08:06
that site cant ship to canada.
Man, this board is infested with Canadians and prepubescents&#33;

(hey I like Canada, the home of RUSH, my favorite all time band) :blink:

You Canadians might have to look elsewhere for that piece. [/b][/quote]
hey man, when i turn 18 im moving to montreal...

[Somebody1234]

adamp2p, man you&#39;re lucky that you didn&#39;t have more serious injuries. I wonder if your test scores will suffer as a result of shock.

[smellmycomputer]

my thoughts on getting an 8X dvd drive:
i have a 4X burner, it will do a dvd in about 1/2 an hour. however in instant cd/dvd it does testing and image making before burning the disk. the testing and image making takes about 2 hours on my amd 2600+ machine with 1 gb of ddr ram.

i wouldn&#39;t worry about reducing your burn time by 15 mins, only to have a total time of 2 hours 15 mins, especialy if it costs like an extra 80 quid

[vader]

I am using an amd 2500+ and a full dvd takes exactly 25 min for me. Of course I am not testing first cause that is a waist of time if your process is the same for creating each DVD, or even for CDR&#39;s. I get a full no macro involvment from my firmware upgraded apex 1500 , it streams to my all in wonder 9000 , edit if needed, then burn with Neo. Anyway if you use the same process each time you make a copy then testing once on the firt DVD is all you need to do.

[lynx]

8x might be nice, but after 30 hours to download a dvd-r, an extra 15 minutes burning the dvd is not really important, especially if I am simply browsing or on the forum as at present.

I can&#39;t tell from the product description (even on plextor&#39;s site) what capacity of cd it will burn, I was extremely disappointed with my Sony drive to find that it was limited to exactly 80 mins, whereas my older rebadged Sanyo will go right up to 94 minutes with the right media, so I&#39;ve had to keep it for those rare occasions when I burn anything above 80 mins.

I suppose what I am saying is to make sure that you aren&#39;t going to lose any features you already have, unless you NEVER use them.

[vader]

I searched high and low , the LG was the best buy with it&#39;s capabilities a week ago. I compared at least 9 products from 4 locations the 4040B was my best investment.

[Somebody1234]

I like the LG 4040B too. I think it&#39;s about the best choice right now. I also think that I read that LG has put the production line in service to produce 500,000 units per month. I guess they didn&#39;t want to run into the same problem as Sony did when they first introduced the multi mode DVD -R and +R units.

[vader]

Also the Neo burning software is better than the Roxio 5 platinum which I paid for like 3+ years ago, even with their updates. That software cost me 100. canadian and now neo comes with 4040B so like I said Best Buy from what I see out there. Actualy Roxio is a great program but the editor in neo is way better.

[Somebody1234]

Isn&#39;t that Nero?

And as for software being expensive... I don&#39;t think so... Isn&#39;t that what this discussion board about? Keep sharing &#33; :D :D

Anyway, vader, check the &#39;verifieds&#39; for Roxio Easy CD&DVD Creator 6.

[ilw]

I&#39;&#39;m well happy 8x is out I&#39;ve been waiting for this for a while. :D But whats the &#39;time&#39; for a dvd disk (ie equivalent of 80mins for a cdr)?

[Somebody1234]

700 MB = 80 Minutes
so
4.7 GB = 537 Minutes

(Equivalent audio.)

That 8x speed seems to be only for DVD+R and not DVD-R

[johnboy27]

Originally posted by mogadishu+13 September 2003 - 08:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mogadishu @ 13 September 2003 - 08:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by adamp2p@13 September 2003 - 02:10
<!--QuoteBegin-mogadishu@13 September 2003 - 08:06
that site cant ship to canada.
Man, this board is infested with Canadians and prepubescents&#33;

(hey I like Canada, the home of RUSH, my favorite all time band) :blink:

You Canadians might have to look elsewhere for that piece.
hey man, when i turn 18 im moving to montreal... [/b][/quote]
I wouldn&#39;t try to brag about that.LOL
Nobody likes dem damn french people. :D

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by johnboy27+14 September 2003 - 07:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (johnboy27 @ 14 September 2003 - 07:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by mogadishu@13 September 2003 - 08:21

Originally posted by adamp2p@13 September 2003 - 02:10
<!--QuoteBegin-mogadishu@13 September 2003 - 08:06
that site cant ship to canada.
Man, this board is infested with Canadians and prepubescents&#33;

(hey I like Canada, the home of RUSH, my favorite all time band) :blink:

You Canadians might have to look elsewhere for that piece.
hey man, when i turn 18 im moving to montreal...
I wouldn&#39;t try to brag about that.LOL
Nobody likes dem damn french people. :D [/b][/quote]
I don&#39;t know about you dude, or what your motives are, but I love french women...

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Somebody1234@13 September 2003 - 21:41
700 MB = 80 Minutes
so
4.7 GB = 537 Minutes

(Equivalent audio.)

That 8x speed seems to be only for DVD+R and not DVD-R
Kindly explain the differences. I am a little in the dark regarding the whole DVD burning issue as any computing time that I have is generally math related these days. You seem well educated on the DVD-R vs. +R issue and I would greatly appreciate your help better understanding their ins and outs. Maybe it should be pinned, as your explanations may be useful to many current and future members of this board. You explain things very well, Somebody, and I must admit the avatars you made for several members are quality. B)

[johnboy27]

Originally posted by adamp2p+14 September 2003 - 07:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 14 September 2003 - 07:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by johnboy27@14 September 2003 - 07:48

Originally posted by mogadishu@13 September 2003 - 08:21

Originally posted by adamp2p@13 September 2003 - 02:10
<!--QuoteBegin-mogadishu@13 September 2003 - 08:06
that site cant ship to canada.
Man, this board is infested with Canadians and prepubescents&#33;

(hey I like Canada, the home of RUSH, my favorite all time band) :blink:

You Canadians might have to look elsewhere for that piece.
hey man, when i turn 18 im moving to montreal...
I wouldn&#39;t try to brag about that.LOL
Nobody likes dem damn french people. :D
I don&#39;t know about you dude, or what your motives are, but I love french women... [/b][/quote]
Oops sorry,I forgot about french women.
I am just messing with him.I mostly hate the drivers from Quebec that come to my province to sight see and crap.Between Quebec and New Brunswick they have the worst drivers in all of Canada. Just my opinion though. :)

[adamp2p]

You should come to LA if you want to see some bad drivers.

[Somebody1234]

The Differences

There is very little difference between DVD-R and DVD+R, both of which can only be written once. They are used in exactly the same way. But you have to be careful with DVD-R because there are two standards for blank disks. The one to use is marked "DVD-R for General Use." The other is marked "DVD-R for Authoring," and it only works for mastering DVD video or data because its composition is different. This sort of DVD-R is not usually available to the general public.



Source:
http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/200302...the_differences (http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/20030207/dvd_burner-01.html#the_differences)

As for calculating the minutes... I just took 80÷700x4700=537.14

[Somebody1234]

@johnboy27,

Just a word of warning to you. This board is viewed by the world. If you choose to have negative comments about specific groups of people then you may find out that it&#39;s not appreciated nor acceptable.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Somebody1234@14 September 2003 - 08:10

The Differences

There is very little difference between DVD-R and DVD+R, both of which can only be written once. They are used in exactly the same way. But you have to be careful with DVD-R because there are two standards for blank disks. The one to use is marked "DVD-R for General Use." The other is marked "DVD-R for Authoring," and it only works for mastering DVD video or data because its composition is different. This sort of DVD-R is not usually available to the general public.



Source:
http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/200302...the_differences (http://www.tomshardware.com/storage/20030207/dvd_burner-01.html#the_differences)

As for calculating the minutes... I just took 80÷700x4700=537.14
Your skills confound me, my friend. Thank you.

[Somebody1234]

Not a problem, my friend. :D You&#39;re very welcome.

[ilw]

so it takes 537 / 8 = 67.125 minutes to burn a dvd? :blink: or is the 8x referring to something else. I kinda thought it might be video minutes, because practically no one uses dvd for audio.

[lynx]

It is talking about multiples of the standard transfer rate for dvd (1380KB/s), so 8x is 11040KB/s. Similarly, cd drive ratings are multiples of the standard cd transfer rate (150kB/s) and nothing actually to do with audio time.

[ilw]

well with cd&#39;s 74 minutes means 74 minutes of standard audio can fit on the disc. The unit of read/write speed (150kbps) came I think from the required audio read speed. I wonder why 1380KB/s is the value for a dvd, that only makes each disc the equivalent of 60 minutes.

[johnboy27]

Originally posted by Somebody1234@14 September 2003 - 08:16
@johnboy27,

Just a word of warning to you. This board is viewed by the world. If you choose to have negative comments about specific groups of people then you may find out that it&#39;s not appreciated nor acceptable.
I am just kidding around,adamp2p knew what I was saying wasn&#39;t serious.Loosen up a bit :)

[Somebody1234]

I wasn&#39;t taking it seriously either. I was just telling you that this board is viewed by a lot of people. Some might take offence.

I was only trying to help you avoid problems.
---------------

As for the 60 minutes 1x DVD recording time. I&#39;m not sure about that but I would assume it to be about video recording time and not audio.

[lightshow]

I was just thinking, now that the dvd+r/-r drives are getting faster, are they on the same pace as the cd-r&#39;s used to be?

You know, the cd-r&#39;s started at really low digits like 4x and now their at 52x....how long do you think that took...

I wonder if the time it took to go from 4x to 52x it will be the same for the dvd+r/-r&#39;s

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by adamp2p+13 September 2003 - 06:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 13 September 2003 - 06:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Somebody1234@13 September 2003 - 07:47
Well that&#39;s not &#036;60 more. We were talking Canadian dollars and that is in the USA so it works out to a lot more.

But I must say... That unit looks mighty interesting.
Hey Somebody1234, guess what? I got hit by a moving car yesterday while crossing the street by a Toyota 4 Runner&#33; I got knocked on the groud, firemen came, police report, everything&#33; Nothing broken, but serious bruises...I could not go right to the hospital because I had a Calculus 2 class 15 minutes later...so I went to class all bloody...to get the take home test for our class (edit, I went to the hospital right after)...we have a test on Monday...

So what am I rambling about this for? Well I am going to get a pretty large settlement, I think, in the ballpark of over &#036;5,000 US dollars&#33; I am going to build a bad ass machine and get one of those 8X babies&#33;

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/w00tjump.gif [/b][/quote]
I think it&#39;s time for me to take a walk on the street...

:D :D :D

[Somebody1234]

Canadians don&#39;t win settlements like that. It&#39;s not worth risking your life.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Somebody1234@19 September 2003 - 04:40
Canadians don&#39;t win settlements like that. It&#39;s not worth risking your life.
From what I saw in that Mike Myers movie it seems to me that there is a bit more common sense in Canada than in the US...eh?

Edit: and the only reason I was not KILLED was because I my reflexes work pretty well--well enough for me to protect my head from the impact...and, hey, a week later I am having trouble walking and the lower segment of my arm is deeply bruised--so much so that I cannot rest my right arm on any surface...the f*cking idiot who hit said he did not see me because the light blinded his eyes; but he still ran through a red light to hit me...

[lynx]

I should have guessed the idiot didn&#39;t know how to put the thing into reverse. :-"

[vader]

Now, I&#39;ll bet he was Canadian lol.........just kidding man, sounds rough. Hope you get better soon. I been in a few myself and when it&#39;s multiple injuries everything is a task :(

[adamp2p]

Yeah, but I had a test on monday with this kind of math, and being injured and in the hospital certainly did not help me get a high grade...thus I need compensation...I am waiting for a personal injury attorney to contact me to start the process...that bastard who hit me needs to learn to drive more safely...

http://www.sosmath.com/CBB/latexrender/pictures/7b1dd79b6e32f188343a0986a9827566.gif

and WHAT do you think I should buy with the settlement? A P4 Extreme Edition?

[neevakee]

only 5000 get a better laweyer and you can get a lot more money unless there is a law limiting the amount you can recive. rember you are not suing the person you are suing their insurance. Also with that type of money you can get a nice HD projector that can hook up to your computer for your downloaded movies and then can watch your nice tv shows in HD here is a nice one for a good price.
projector (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?category_id=5863&keyword=&mnf=&prst=&prEnd=&sku=A0044287&mnfsku=&SearchType=&Page=productlisting.aspx&spagenum=1&Pageb4Search=&InStock=&items_per_page=25&orderby=&mnfname=&brand=&SubmitSearch=&image_flag=True&refurbished=&c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1&iCompatid=)

also that price is in canadian dollors i belive. You would also need a nice surond sound systme, but it is not a bad way to blow 5 grand.

on ebay you can get a good one for a bout 2 g and that would be plenty left for your computer

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by neevakee@20 September 2003 - 05:28
only 5000 get a better laweyer and you can get a lot more money unless there is a law limiting the amount you can recive. rember you are not suing the person you are suing their insurance. Also with that type of money you can get a nice HD projector that can hook up to your computer for your downloaded movies and then can watch your nice tv shows in HD here is a nice one for a good price.
projector (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?category_id=5863&keyword=&mnf=&prst=&prEnd=&sku=A0044287&mnfsku=&SearchType=&Page=productlisting.aspx&spagenum=1&Pageb4Search=&InStock=&items_per_page=25&orderby=&mnfname=&brand=&SubmitSearch=&image_flag=True&refurbished=&c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1&iCompatid=)

also that price is in canadian dollors i belive. You would also need a nice surond sound systme, but it is not a bad way to blow 5 grand.
I am saying &#036;5,000 worst case scenario; after paying the lawyer&#39;s contingency fee (1/3), etc.

I think the guy&#39;s insurance policy probably has &#036;15,000 for bodily injury minimum. I am not sure what the doctor&#39;s bills will cost, because I had to go to the ER. Not to mention, the f*cker broke my Ray-Ban&#39;s and scratched the crystal of my dead grandfather&#39;s Omega seamaster watch...

The laywer and I have not spoken details yet. But I think I am gonna give my current system to my brother for christmas and maybe upgrade to the P4 EE at that point, depending on whether or not I can find a motherboard that I can upgrade to a Prescott....maybe, we&#39;ll see...maybe I will buy a laptop too...and a hooker...just kidding...

[james_bond_rulez]

man you are lucky you didn&#39;t die

[james_bond_rulez]

Originally posted by Somebody1234@19 September 2003 - 03:40
Canadians don&#39;t win settlements like that. It&#39;s not worth risking your life.
yeah but dont Canadian drivers have mandetory ICBC insurance?

[Jay]

i sure could use 5,000 right now