Well...now we know for sure, eh?

[j2k4]

Mr. Bonds' denial has no clothes.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,487633,00.html

[Villalltheway]

Still dont get why it takes till 2009 for a sample from 2003 to find it positive.

[j2k4]

Still dont get why it takes till 2009 for a sample from 2003 to find it positive.

The results were sealed until now; nothing to do with labs or procedures.

[Villalltheway]

Still dont get why it takes till 2009 for a sample from 2003 to find it positive.

The results were sealed until now; nothing to do with labs or procedures.


ok im still confused since im not from the states as u can tell, but why were they sealed. It seems bit like a joke, u wouldnt see an olympic athlete who got caught doing drugs have their results coming out 6 years later.

Another thing i dont really know much about american sports, but i know a little about this barry bond in how everyone think he takes steroids, if so how come he has not had regular doping tests while he was playing????

[j2k4]

He has big money and a belongs to a union.

[Villalltheway]

He has big money and a belongs to a union.


So, why should that matter, u wouldnt see anything like this happen in football (soccer as u lot call it), doesnt matter how much money they had. I just find it so hard to believe that someone that people suspect so hard of being a drugs cheats has not been caught earlier. It really makes a joke and a laughing stock of the system u guys have over there

[j2k4]

He has big money and a belongs to a union.


So, why should that matter, u wouldnt see anything like this happen in football (soccer as u lot call it), doesnt matter how much money they had. I just find it so hard to believe that someone that people suspect so hard of being a drugs cheats has not been caught earlier. It really makes a joke and a laughing stock of the system u guys have over there

If you were here, you would know that I've been laughing about it myself, and for quite some time.

I don't know where you live, but in the US we have these things called lawyers.

With more money you can buy a good-sized lawyer.

You can even buy more than one.

They come equipped with flypaper and various other methods and means to turn the judicial process into a viscous mess of oily corruption and putrescence.

Major League Baseball has aided and abetted Mr. Bonds out a misplaced and misguided concern for it's own well-being.

You really do have to be here to understand.

[Villalltheway]

Fair enough but like in the english premier league (soccer league) an even bigger league then the baseball one and just as much money in it, there are randam drugs tests on players, is not about lawyers or anything they just have to do it, if they fail to do it they get an automatic ban. But after there tests if they are found to have done drugs they get an automatic ban, and if they are clean no one hears about it. I just find it perplexing why it is not like this in the states. There is no need for lawyers, if u dont want to do the drugs tests here u assumed to be guilty, and if it is found u r a drugs cheats how can lawyers change that, unless barry bonds is questioning the validity of the test results??

[j2k4]

There is as much money in your soccer league as in American baseball?

Bonds' salary was in excess of 20 million dollars in '07.

Do you have any soccer players making that much, and if so, are they constrained from retaining legal counsel in order to escape the consequences of evidence against them?

Hell, we have murderers found guilty as sin in death penalty states who die on death row of old age before they exhaust their legal options.

Your solicitors, I gather, have a slightly different function than American lawyers.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but there it is.

[Villalltheway]

lol ofcourse soccer players get 20 million dollars. Im sure david beckham is racking up something like that. The premeir league is the most watched sporting league in the world, and with its new tv right deals its making money at the same level as the nfl.

Think about New York Yankees probably up there as being one of the top valued clubs in the world, soccer teams like Manchester United are worth more then them and in fact probably more then any american team in any sport. So to answer your question yes lol there is a lot of money in soccer, i mean just a few weeks ago a soccer team made £100 mil plus bid for a player, a few months ago that would of been close to $200mil.

Also over here it not a matter about money, its like an olympic ,athlete once they have been found 100% guilty thats it. If they want to they could take it to court but in the EU drug cheats in sports are very much looked down on and it really would not be worth their time.

But if i was perfectly honest ill never get the reasons why barry bonds was not done earlier for drugs, maybe if i was a US citizen i might get it.

So is it like this for all ur sports???

[j2k4]

lol ofcourse soccer players get 20 million dollars. Im sure david beckham is racking up something like that. The premeir league is the most watched sporting league in the world, and with its new tv right deals its making money at the same level as the nfl.

Think about New York Yankees probably up there as being one of the top valued clubs in the world, soccer teams like Manchester United are worth more then them and in fact probably more then any american team in any sport. So to answer your question yes lol there is a lot of money in soccer, i mean just a few weeks ago a soccer team made £100 mil plus bid for a player, a few months ago that would of been close to $200mil.

Also over here it not a matter about money, its like an olympic ,athlete once they have been found 100% guilty thats it. If they want to they could take it to court but in the EU drug cheats in sports are very much looked down on and it really would not be worth their time.

But if i was perfectly honest ill never get the reasons why barry bonds was not done earlier for drugs, maybe if i was a US citizen i might get it.

So is it like this for all ur sports???

To an extent, yes.

It's one of the reasons unions are not universally admired.

It's one of the reasons professional sports in America are not universally admired.

We can't manage to get rid of the assholes.

BTW-

Beckham is/was here; I haven't formed a solid opinion of him, but I would say his Missus is an asshole.

Again, that's just an opinion.

[Skiz]

You're also talking about MLB enforcing it's own rule. It's much better for the sport if they let the home run king continue to hit dingers down main street than it is to bench him.

[Busyman]

Mr. Bonds' denial has no clothes.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,487633,00.html

Agreed.

A-Rod, also it seems.

I don't understand how this comes out so late. Did Bonds even know he tested positive?

If he did, why lie? It seems moronic.

Also, how would lawyers and unions mess over a positive test that MLB knew about?

Keeping something sealed for the court is one thing but it's also about suspending a player that broke rules.

If consequences of breaking the rules weren't brought to bare, isn't MLB liable for something? (of course not perjury)

[RPerry]

Mr. Bonds' denial has no clothes.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,487633,00.html

Agreed.

A-Rod, also it seems.

I don't understand how this comes out so late. Did Bonds even know he tested positive?

If he did, why lie? It seems moronic.

Also, how would lawyers and unions mess over a positive test that MLB knew about?

Keeping something sealed for the court is one thing but it's also about suspending a player that broke rules.

If consequences of breaking the rules weren't brought to bare, isn't MLB liable for something? (of course not perjury)

If I'm not mistaken, all of those tests back then were supposed to be anonymous. I won't put myself out on a limb as far as Bonds goes, But in Rodriguez's case for sure.

[j2k4]

As far as I remember, all of the results were to be "confidential"; for what reasonable purpose, consult the players union and the owners, both of whom have a stake in maintaining this confidentiality - I don't remember what prompted all of it, but Jose Canseco's book seemed to get the ball rolling, then the appearance before congress of Canseco, McGwire, Sosa, Schilling, et. al., the Mitchell report, etc., and the lid came off.

Then Clemens (prick), etc., and here we are.

There's a good chance Bonds will skate on it, and may even have a counter-suit for violation of privacy.

Unbelievable.

I'd like congress to haul the union and owners before them (as long as they feel they have entree) for a short discussion about this need for confidential testing.

What I'd like to see even more are fans willing to boycott a corrupt sport.

Never happen, though.

[Rat Faced]

I don't know where you live, but in the US we have these things called lawyers.

With more money you can buy a good-sized lawyer.

You can even buy more than one.



OK, who are you and where have you hidden kev?

Kev would never say something implying he has socialist tendancies..



Jeez.. RPerry???

Thoughts you were dead in some hurricane or something :o

Glad to see I was wrong :)

[j2k4]

I don't know where you live, but in the US we have these things called lawyers.

With more money you can buy a good-sized lawyer.

You can even buy more than one.



OK, who are you and where have you hidden kev?

Kev would never say something implying he has socialist tendancies..

Lawyers are a pan-ideological affliction, as well you know, and if you call me a socialist again, I'll bloody well sue.


Jeez.. RPerry???

Thoughts you were dead in some hurricane or something.

He was reincarnated by capitalism, you see.

[Villalltheway]

So what happens now if it actually comes out with evidence that Mr Bonds is a drugs cheat, do they take his records away?? Like an Olympic athlete would have their medal taken away. Or will it be for this reason that MLB will cover this up all the way, to save the embarrassment of having a cheat as the greatest.

[Rat Faced]

OK, who are you and where have you hidden kev?

Kev would never say something implying he has socialist tendancies..

Lawyers are a pan-ideological affliction, as well you know, and if you call me a socialist again, I'll bloody well sue.



THATS more like our Right Wing Neo something or other :whistling

[RPerry]

I don't know where you live, but in the US we have these things called lawyers.

With more money you can buy a good-sized lawyer.

You can even buy more than one.



OK, who are you and where have you hidden kev?

Kev would never say something implying he has socialist tendancies..



Jeez.. RPerry???

Thoughts you were dead in some hurricane or something :o

Glad to see I was wrong :)

No, no.

I made a mistake and finally accepted a supervisors position. I am once again working 12 hr shifts ( why is it mine always end up being more like 15 hrs!?! ).

So basically My internet time is 5 hrs a week. Glad to see you back tho :)

[Rat Faced]

OK, who are you and where have you hidden kev?

Kev would never say something implying he has socialist tendancies..



Jeez.. RPerry???

Thoughts you were dead in some hurricane or something :o

Glad to see I was wrong :)

No, no.

I made a mistake and finally accepted a supervisors position.

Sold Out.

Never thought I'd see the day you went over to the Dark Side :unsure:

You've been talking to that bloody eagle again :(

[RPerry]

So what happens now if it actually comes out with evidence that Mr Bonds is a drugs cheat, do they take his records away?? Like an Olympic athlete would have their medal taken away. Or will it be for this reason that MLB will cover this up all the way, to save the embarrassment of having a cheat as the greatest.

This is the best question of all, but the hardest to answer.

I'm sure many other players have fallen through the cracks, and not been accused. Also, I notice they keep grouping Mcgwire's name in with Palmeiro's, and the difference of their circumstances are like night and day. As far as I know Mcgwire has never tested positive for any banned substance. Maybe we should say screw anyone who played from 87-04?

Btw, no matter who has the all time home run record, that certainly doesn't make them the "greatest" A couple of the greatest are not even in the Hall of Fame, one for suspected of throwing games in a world series, and another who gambled.





No, no.

I made a mistake and finally accepted a supervisors position.

Sold Out.

Never thought I'd see the day you went over to the Dark Side :unsure:

You've been talking to that bloody eagle again :(

Never :P

Some President named after pubic hair has the economy so screwed up, I had to take the best paying job I could find :whistling

[Inorbaj]

Pretty funny.... everyone thought A-Rod would be the games savior -- he would break Bonds record, hit 800+, all while being clean... and he was on the roids too