New Cpu

[dwightfry]

I just recieved a Athlon 2600 CPU, I put it in my computer, and now the computer won't start. The fans run, and the CD/DVD drives start up, but nothing shows up. I put in my old CPU and it worked fine again. Is there anything that I must do to get this to work, or is it just a bad CPU.

[Makaveli-tha-don]

u need to flash ur bios and then try installing the new CPU or ur motherboard isnt compatible for ur new CPU, what kind of motherboard do u have!!!

[Somebody1234]

Is your new CPU a 333 front side bus?
Does your motherboard support 333 FSB?

[dwightfry]

How do I flash my Bios?

I can't remember the exact model of my motherboard, but a friend of mine who builds computers for a living is the one that showed me what CPU to get, so I am 99% sure it is compatable.

[Somebody1234]

Well there is no way for us to help you flash the BIOS if you don't know the motherboard model.

Once you find out... Go to the manufactures web site and find your exact model listed and that is where you will find the file and instructions on how to flash it.

[Pitbul]

u did the worst thing to do, buying new parts for your computer without knowing your hardware.not to put you down but you shoudl have did more research before anything.

[dwightfry]

I didn't know my hardware, but this guy did. He is the one that built it. I'll get the model ASAP.

[3rd gen noob]

just an extra bit of info, the 2600+ is a 333MHz fsb chip, however, you can run it at 266MHz fsb if your board doesn't support 333MHz fsb's

[dwightfry]

I have a Holco (shuttle) Motherboard

Bios ID - vt8366 8233 6a6lvh2cc 00


I'm still having trouble finding the bios I need.

Edit - I think this is it. Can somebody verify

ak31s2ei.exe
http://www.shuttle.com/hq/support/download...asp?model=AK31# (http://www.shuttle.com/hq/support/download/dwn2.asp?model=AK31#)

[dwightfry]

I used that file, and it intalled fine. No errors, I then put the 2600 CPU back in, and it still didn't work.


just an extra bit of info, the 2600+ is a 333MHz fsb chip, however, you can run it at 266MHz fsb if your board doesn't support 333MHz fsb's

Should this fix it. How do I do it?

[3rd gen noob]

are you able to enter bios?
press del on bootup?
if so, just change the fsb (sometimes called cpu internal frequency to 133MHz) and see if it'll start normally

[dwightfry]

I cannot enter the BIOS with the 2600 installed, but I can with the 1600

I couldn't find fsb or cpu internal frequency, but in the Frequency/Voltage section there was CPU CLOCK option that was set to 133. I am assuming that is what I was looking for.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by dwightfry@16 September 2003 - 20:24
I cannot enter the BIOS with the 2600 installed, but I can with the 1600

I couldn't find fsb or cpu internal frequency, but in the Frequency/Voltage section there was CPU CLOCK option that was set to 133. I am assuming that is what I was looking for.
yeah, the cpu clock was what you were looking for

where did you get the new cpu from?
it's possible that it's simply a dud cpu...

with the 2600 installed, does the system try to post even? are there any beeps at all?

[dwightfry]

nope, just a ussual clicks and clacks of stuff starting for a few seconds and then nothing.

I ordered the CPU through www.target_usa.com.

I am currently having billing problems through them as well. They are, by far, the worse company I have ever ordered anything through. But then again...this is my first bad experience.

[dwightfry]

do I need to reset the CMOS?

[dwightfry]

I am pretty sure it's a dud, I'm getting a full refund....unless someone else has something else I should try.

[VB]

Originally posted by dwightfry@16 September 2003 - 22:01
do I need to reset the CMOS?
That's the first thing that you should try.

[dwightfry]

Hey, I got it to work, but it was suppose to run at 2.4 GHz, but it was only running at 2.0 GHz

I turned up the CPU Clock to 110 which gave me a 2.2 GHz, but I can't log onto windows at anything over 114.

The Multiplier is set to default (12.5) but when I change it to any amount it decreases the speed drastically. I set it to 14, and the speed went down to 1.7 GHz. Why would the speed go down when I increase the multiplier?

Also, I have not 'unlocked' my CPU. I was told this morning that I shouldn't have to. Do I need to in order to get better speeds? Things seem to be working with out doing with out it.

[dwightfry]

Also, I can't adjust the FSB. It is set to 200 MHz. What do I need to change so I can adjust it.

[ilw]

I don't think you've set up your motherboard right, the athlon 2600 is supposed to run at 2.1 GHz ie a 166MHz Front side bus with a x12.5 multiplier. why is it supposed to run at 2.4GHz????

[dwightfry]

That just what the company said when I ordered it. I guess they lied

[ilw]

yep, amd haven't made any xp chips over 2.2GHz yet

Did you get it to work at 166MHz bus speed?

[dwightfry]

I am kinda confused about what exactly the FBS speed is, and how to adjust it. I was told in a earlier post the the CPU Clock was the FBS, but now I don't think so.

There is a section in the BIOS that says the FBS is set to 200MHz. But it is grayed out and I can't change it. I am assuming there is an option somewhere that is set to auto, or default that is keeping me from changing it.

Also, since I can set my CPU speed between 2.2 and 2.4 GHz, is that a good speed, or should/could I get more out of it?

[Kunal]

fsb = front side bus

if ya fsb in ya bios is greyed out, u can adjust usin jumper settings.

if ur fsb is @ 200 and is runnin @ 2.2ghz uve overclocked it!
its ment to be 333FSB(166) - 2083 Mhz

btw im no hardware expert if the info is incorrect!

[ilw]

It complicated because you can set your cpu clock speed and your front side bus to be running at different frequencies (ie so your ram can run at a different speed). This is usually a bad idea for AMD chips so you should be setting your FSB / cpu clock multiplier to 1. It seems weird that you can set your cpu clock to over 110 without it crashing, what is your ram rated at? it should be DDR333 or PC2700 or higher, if its not then thats probably whats causing the crashes and you'll either have to get different ram or set the cpu clock / FSB multiplier to something that will allow your ram to run at a speed it can handle.

[dwightfry]

If I adjust the Multiplier to anything other than default, the speed reduces dramatically. Plus, I haven't unlocked my CPU, shouldn't that stop me from adjusting the multiplier completely?

[ilw]

Theres a clock which should be running at 166MHz the cpu multiplier should be at 12.5 and theres another multiplier which generates another frequency for the ram (in mine its called Memory Frequency, but the value is a percentage), its this multiplier i mean and ideally it should be 1 (or maybe it says 100%, but same diff), but if your ram can't handle it then you may have to set it to a lower value.

[dwightfry]

I looked for it but couldn't find it.

EDIT: Yeah, I just looked again, there isn't anything like that in my BIOS

[FrieghtTrain]

What it is is a bad power supply!!!. had three machines i had to replace the supplies out with!!. best way to check this is to get a cheap agp card with no acceleration i.e. 2meg ram and only good for 2d app's. and see if the computer fires up!. if it does not fire up replace the cpu hopefully it is still under warranty!.

[ilw]

you should probably check what speed the ram is, it should say on it.

@Frieghttrain: :blink:

[FrieghtTrain]

bad ram and the computer will beep at ya!!. bad viedo card same thing!. his computer is halting at power good self test!. not power on self test!. only two things that could be wrong .

1) bad power supply

2) bad processor!.

since he is getting power to the fans most likely the motherboard is good!. :o

[lynx]

It's running, but at the wrong speed, so it can't be the PS.

Edit: how reliable is the chip source? It won't be the first time that a chip has been relabelled.

[ilw]

Yeah the power supply may conceivably be the cause, but how would buying an agp card and installing that test if the power suppply or cpu were working and if as you say the power supply is at fault why replace the cpu? + we already know his video card works.

[FrieghtTrain]

not necessarily true if the AGP card is sucking up to much amperage there will not be enough current to drive the microprocessor thus causing the the computer to fail the power good test!.

but yes it most likely is a bad micro processor !. hopefully he purchased a retail rather than a oem processor !!. . retail has 3yr warranty and oem depends on where he bought it!. ;)

[Livy]

u usuallt get a year with oem, and hes only just bought it so the warranty aint no problem.
my advice kick it, it sometimes works/ :unsure:

[FrieghtTrain]

a dead processor will allow the fans to run!. this is from experiance!. same with video using a card other than a geforce or radeon since they both are current hungry cards will determine wether the power supply is being over tapped!. since the video card runs and displays at post!. buy removing the card you you should get beeps!. and no post memory by removing from the board you will recieve the same thing!. bad memory or memory in wrong slot the machine will not power up i.e no fans running. putting a video card in just gives you visual if indeed it is power supply not nessary to do so!. no beeps and fans run equals processor!. but of course make sure your case came with a pc speaker also!.

now if you have a jumpered mother board I.E. can manually adjust your multipliers. they could be wrong! and produce the same thing!.

hopefully you did not mess with this before checking out to see if every thing works!. since this was a new setup right out of the box i assumed everything was at it's manufacter's defaults on the motherboard. thus this is what i was trouble shooting

[FrieghtTrain]

damn was repling to the first post lol!. now tring to figure out how he got into the bios if only thing running was the fans and power to the drives?. BTW which motherboard are you using?. and chipset?.

no wonder I am confusing everyone!. :lol:

[lynx]

We knew you'd catch up eventually.http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0903/grinser/grinning-smiley-010.gif

And getting that info seems like getting blood from a stone.

[Somebody1234]

Based on the information in the manual posted at the web link you provided on the previous page, that motherboad is not intended to support the Athlon XP CPU.

It states:
CPU Support
Support Socket462 package CPU
AMD Athlon Processor: 600 ~ 1.33+ GHz.
AMD Duron Processor 600 ~ 850+ MHz.

Your friend who built it and told you that you could install a Athlon XP 2600+ 333FSB has misinformed you.

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by Somebody1234@19 September 2003 - 13:26
Based on the information in the manual posted at the web link you provided on the previous page, that motherboad is not intended to support the Athlon XP CPU.

It states:
CPU Support
Support Socket462 package CPU
AMD Athlon Processor: 600 ~ 1.33+ GHz.
AMD Duron Processor 600 ~ 850+ MHz.

Your friend who built it and told you that you could install a Athlon XP 2600+ 333FSB has misinformed you.
Ahh, didnt go that far to notice that for his motherboard.

What a poorly informed friend, to try to put that palamino on such an older CPU based Mobo.

[lynx]

I have been unable to verify from the information given that the board is indeed an AK31, and even if it is which version of that board. This information should be printed on the board in quite large lettering, and will say something like AK31 V1, you need to confirm what this information actually says. There are 3 different versions of this board, and each has a different bios.

If you are right about the motherboard type (ak31) it is unlikely it will support the thoroughbred chip, and in any case it will not support the 333fsb XP2600+. The V1 board will support up to XP2000+, V2 and V3 will support up to XP2100+, all palomino.

If the motherboard is the next model up (ak32) then it will support the thoroughbred chip, although not the chip you have got. It only supports the 266FSB chips and according to the documentation only up to XP2400+. However, once again there are several versions of this board, each with a different bios.

Even if you have a board which supports the thoroughbred chip, the chipset on the board (vt8233/8366) will not support 333fsb, and may not support the lower core voltage required in this chip, but if you can unlock the chip (there is a way of doing this on the board, not on the chip) you may be able to get it to run at 16x130, but I think this is not the way to go.

It is essential that you find out the model and version of your motherboard before you proceed any further.

[dwightfry]

Oy...this is getting complicated....

My computer seems to be running fine.

I have no idea what the version number is, the BIOS that came with my computer was AK31S2EF. I haven't been able to find what version number it is.

.........should I be worried? :(

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by dwightfry@19 September 2003 - 15:42
I haven't been able to find what version number it is.

.........should I be worried? :(
The version of the board, might be on the Motherboard itself somewhere.

[dwightfry]

I didn't see it anywhere.

I even tracked down the reciept and it still just said AK31. So....I am running a CPU that shouldn't be running on my computer. Is this going to be problem? Should I put the old one back in?

[lynx]

If the original bios was AK31S2EF, that is for the AK31 V3 board, or the AK31A board. As you suggest, the latest bios is AK31S2EI.exe. Make sure you get this bios update before going any further. The manual for that board is ak31v2xen.zip (http://www.shuttle.com/hq/support/download/dwn2.asp?model=AK31#), although that doesn't cover the bios upgrades.

Once you have the latest bios, there are two things you can adjust in the bios to modify performance, these are both in the section Frequency/Voltage Control. One of these is the multiplier, also known as CPU Ratio Select, but to do this you need to unlock the cpu core, so leave this at default for the moment.

The other is the cpu frequency. I would suggest that you set the frequency to 133MHz, then examine what speed the processor is running at. Remember, the frequency also affects pci and dram speed, but the system may automatically adjust these downward if the fsb is too high. If that is the case, you should be able to raise the cpu frequency as high as 166MHz, which is the design frequency of the chip, but it may cause problems if the core voltage it too high. However, if the cpu voltage (top of the same page) is about 1.5 to 1.6 volts, this should be ok.

[Somebody1234]

Now that you have that CPU, my opinion would be to replace the motherboard with one that supports the 333 Mhz Front Side Bus.

[dwightfry]

The CPU is an Athlon Xp 2600/266 FSB. I just checked the Reciept.

I have upgraded the BIOS already.

If I set the CPU Clock (CPU Frequency) to anything over 119, the computer won't start. (My original problem), if I set it to 110 - 119, I can't get into windows, at 105 to 110, I would occasionally have troubles starting. I put it back to 100 MHz, I am having no problems.

In the BIOS I can see that the FSB is running at 200MHz. I can't change it, it is greyed out.

The CPU voltage is at 1.6v

[Somebody1234]

Ok, If the CPU is 266 FSB then get a board that supports 266 or higher.

That's what you need to do to run the CPU as it was intended to be run.

[adamp2p]

You should be able to find a motherboard that supports that chip for very cheap; fry's in LA sells a combo with the 2000+ and the motherboard for less than 100 dollars US.

something like this (http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3596904)

[dwightfry]

My motherboard supports 266 FSB(DDR)

[lynx]

The problem is that the mobo does not support thoroughbred processors, so the signals for multipliers etc are probably being misinterpreted. Alternatively, check the settings for Dimm speed (set it to SPD) and dimm/pci auto detect (set to enabled), but I doubt these will have any effect - go for a new mobo.

Edit: FSB speed and DDR speed are NOT the same thing. And while the chipset may support 266FSB, other things on the board do not support the thoroughbred chip.

[dwightfry]

My original intent was to buy a new motherboard and cpu, but I decided I couldn't afford it, so I bought the fastest cpu that I was told my mobo could handle.

things are running fine at there default settings, is it vital I get a new motherboard?

[adamp2p]

Then you might be out of luck, dude. How much did you spend on the chip? Can you return it? Oh well...

[ilw]

If its working fine and you haven't noticed any problems then maybe it will run fine, but you definitely won't get your money's worth in performance terms. I would probably recommend you try and get a refund on the chip and spend some of the money on a ram upgrade (unless you've already got lots of ram) to tide you over until you've got enough to do a proper motherboard, ram and processor upgrade.

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by lynx@19 September 2003 - 17:31
The problem is that the mobo does not support thoroughbred processors, so the signals for multipliers etc are probably being misinterpreted. Alternatively, check the settings for Dimm speed (set it to SPD) and dimm/pci auto detect (set to enabled), but I doubt these will have any effect - go for a new mobo.

Edit: FSB speed and DDR speed are NOT the same thing. And while the chipset may support 266FSB, other things on the board do not support the thoroughbred chip.
2600 is a palamino isnt it?

[dwightfry]

Thanks a bunch guys. I learned a lot. B)

[lynx]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_+20 September 2003 - 00:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (_John_Lennon_ @ 20 September 2003 - 00:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@19 September 2003 - 17:31
The problem is that the mobo does not support thoroughbred processors, so the signals for multipliers etc are probably being misinterpreted. Alternatively, check the settings for Dimm speed (set it to SPD) and dimm/pci auto detect (set to enabled), but I doubt these will have any effect - go for a new mobo.

Edit: FSB speed and DDR speed are NOT the same thing. And while the chipset may support 266FSB, other things on the board do not support the thoroughbred chip.
2600 is a palamino isnt it? [/b][/quote]
No, The palomino range (also known as model 6) stops at XP2100+. The Thoroughbred range (model 8) covers XP1700+ to XP2700+ (overlaps model 6) and the Barton range (model 10) starts at XP2500+ and currently goes as far as XP3200+.