Is Eminem A Poet

[J'Pol]

Discuss

[TheDave]

is this some kind of wind up trick thing. of course he is, isnt that what all rap is?

[mrcall1969]

While not being a fan of Eminem or rap in general, I suppose composing lyrics is a form of poetry.

[Gemby!]

aint this gonna be moved ? cos its to do with music - anyways i would say yes but dont call him that - it sounds a bit too fruity for him :lol:

[asmithz]

Its just a differant kind of poetry. I say that he is. ;)

[Assultsniper]

Nope he's just a sick man saying what ever he wants on his records.

[pol]

i dont know much about rap, or poetry but the thing he did at the end of 8mile impressed me. if he is able do improvising like that then i'd say he was worthy of any title

[Assultsniper]

Originally posted by pol@19 September 2003 - 15:06
i dont know much about rap, or poetry but the thing he did at the end of 8mile impressed me. if he is able do improvising like that then i'd say he was worthy of any title
I dont think he wrote 8 mile though

[Lilmiss]

is eminen a pet? :blink:

:D

[TheDave]

Originally posted by Assultsniper+19 September 2003 - 20:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Assultsniper @ 19 September 2003 - 20:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pol@19 September 2003 - 15:06
i dont know much about rap, or poetry but the thing he did at the end of 8mile impressed me. if he is able do improvising like that then i&#39;d say he was worthy of any title
I dont think he wrote 8 mile though [/b][/quote]
i bet he wrote the rap/freestyles though

[asmithz]

Originally posted by Assultsniper@19 September 2003 - 12:06
Nope he&#39;s just a sick man saying what ever he wants on his records.
How is he sick. If your talking about what he says then your wierd. His lyrics are so mild.

[Lilmiss]

Originally posted by Shad0w Hacker@19 September 2003 - 20:14
His lyrics are so mild.
but if i quoted him, would i get in trouble?
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/Lynne1977uk/admin+is+watching+you.gif :D

[Assultsniper]

How is making songs about murder and raping his girlfriend mild and that song hi my name is, is seriously sick or maybe your sick yourself and cant tell the difference

[Gemby!]

he is a musician ..thats me done &#33;

oh wait his lyrics aint that bad - if you know what he means then you must have learnt it from somewhere else before :ph34r:

[3rd gen noob]

i&#39;d say without a doubt

[asmithz]

His songs are the softcore of the rap indutry. You just think his bad becuse his white.

[Assultsniper]

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@19 September 2003 - 15:22
he is a musician ..thats me done &#33;

oh wait his lyrics aint that bad - if you know what he means then you must have learnt it from somewhere else before :ph34r:
Well I used to listen to it until I realised how sick it really is, of course I heard it
some where before it still doesent mean that I aprove of it.
I dont think that poisoning kids and making money out of it is poetry&#33;

[Lilmiss]

i think he has a great talent.
he has just set out to shock the audience to boost sales.
still he has the power to control and perverse kids minds, and thats what i dont like about him.
for someone who is so politically uncorrect to be seen as a role model is sickening to me.

i watched him live a few years ago.
did nowt for me. :(

(i do love "8 mile" though.)

[Assultsniper]

Originally posted by Shad0w Hacker@19 September 2003 - 15:23
His songs are the softcore of the rap indutry. You just think his bad becuse his white.
Nope I hate rap in general

[mrcall1969]

Johnny Cash wrote more songs about killing people than probably anyone else, doesn&#39;t/didn&#39;t make him evil.

[bigboab]

I think they have dropped the &#39;C&#39; in rap. It should be carp. Oh no Fish would object to that. I suppose we will settle for crap then. :rolleyes:

[TheDave]

eminems a great role model

[bigboab]

For who?

[asmithz]

Originally posted by mrcall1969@19 September 2003 - 12:29
Johnny Cash wrote more songs about killing people than probably anyone else, doesn&#39;t/didn&#39;t make him evil.
Thats rigth he did, but he descibe how he did it too.

[lynx]

Yeah, he certainly grates.

Edit: eminem, that is.

[bigboab]

Short of cash kills more people.

[TheDave]

eminems a great role model for kids, its easy to relate to someone with a life like that, plus hes a good example of someone who climbed out of the shit and made a great life for himself.

[gizmoid]

Not sure about him being a great role model his choice of words gets him noticed but he does tell it as it is and i&#39;m not 100% sure but i think 8 mile was his biography.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by gizmoid@19 September 2003 - 21:09
i&#39;m not 100% sure but i think 8 mile was his biography.
no, it wasn&#39;t
there are some similarities though

[asmithz]

No its no a bio of him. He said he didnt want to do it about him but that it had alot that related. Also whoever said he wrote no he didnt.

[Rat Faced]

Arent all poets/classic authors "Shocking" in their time?


Personally i think he&#39;s crap.

Cant sing, lyrics are shit..tunes usually shit.......and he&#39;s a Dickhead.


However i&#39;ll put that down to a Generation thing, as a lot of younger people seem to idolise him.



examples:

Will the real Slim Shady please stand up, please stand up, please stand up...

Poetry? How?
Its crap, repetitive, shit lyrics, shit tune...



Momma, i didnt wanna hurt you, didnt wanna make you cry, but tonight, im cleaning out my closet...

Again, not poetry ........however i have to admit to finding this one catchy and liking the tune...


Looks like the young uns will have to find another hero that us old geezers dont like ;)

[3rd gen noob]

"you couold date a stick of dynamite and still not go out with a bang"

come on, now that&#39;s poetry

:rolleyes:

he is very talented though (to a majority), and very popular...

[100%]

At least he is doing something..............
which affects something............................(in the right way)

http://kenny.smoovenet.com/grabpics/hitler.gif

[dingoBaby]

I think Eminim is more of a poet than many other rappers. Poetry is a diverse and ever changing form of literature. Just because you might not agree or be comfortable with the content , imagery, or theme of someone&#39;s work doen&#39;t mean that it isn&#39;t poetry.

I guess the real question should be what constitutes poetry and why?

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by dingoBaby@20 September 2003 - 00:15
Poetry is a diverse and ever changing form of literature. Just because you might not agree or be comfortable with the content , imagery, or theme of someone&#39;s work doen&#39;t mean that it isn&#39;t poetry.

I guess the real question should be what constitutes poetry and why?
Para 1 - agreed.

Para 2 - a, that would be 2 questions not 1 and b, don&#39;t be condescending.

[chalice]

Not having read the main body of the thread, I&#39;ll give my opinion..
Yes, I rather think he is a poet.

[dingoBaby]

Originally posted by JPaul+19 September 2003 - 20:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 19 September 2003 - 20:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dingoBaby@20 September 2003 - 00:15
Poetry is a diverse and ever changing form of literature.&nbsp; Just because you might not agree or be comfortable with the content , imagery, or theme of someone&#39;s work doen&#39;t mean that it isn&#39;t poetry.&nbsp;

I guess the real question should be what constitutes poetry and why?
Para 1 - agreed.

Para 2 - a, that would be 2 questions not 1 and b, don&#39;t be condescending. [/b][/quote]
Condenscending, isn&#39;t that a bit har&#036;h?

[MagicNakor]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@19 September 2003 - 22:54
Arent all poets/classic authors "Shocking" in their time?...
No. Some become society&#39;s darlings. ;)

:ninja:

[Rat Faced]

Like, erm....

Eminem for example?

[J'Pol]

Or Oscar Wilde

[cow_dung]

<_< i would say so <_<

[Kitty]

Emily Dickinson was considered controversial in her time, yet we now see her as one of America&#39;s greatest poets.
Not saying that you can compare eminem to Emily, But what might be considered one mans art could be anothers trash.

Remember back in the day when Rock n&#39; Roll first showed it&#39;s face in town, It shur did get a lot of peoples panties in bunches but some people saw it as a legitimate form of music and art so it rolled on, and now has become the foundation for a lot of other music showing it&#39;s face today.

I&#39;m not a big fan of Eminem, I have listened to his music and read the lyrics and in my opinion it does seem like a form of poetry for the twenty first century.
There are people out there (myself included) that consider Jim Morrison a brillant poet, Others can&#39;t make sense of his ramblings so I guess it&#39;s all in the ears of the listners.

JMO

[dingoBaby]

Originally posted by Kitty@19 September 2003 - 23:32
Emily Dickinson was considered controversial in her time, yet now we see her as one of America&#39;s greatest poets.
Not saying that you can compare eminem to Emily, But what might be considered one mans art could be anothers trash.

Remember back in the day when Rock n&#39; Roll first showed it&#39;s face in town, It shur did get a lot of peoples panties in bunches but some people saw it as a legitimate form of music and art so it rolled on and now has become the foundation for a lot of other music showing it&#39;s face today.

I&#39;m not a big fan of Eminem, I have listened to his music and read the lyrics and in my opinion it does seem like a form of poetry for the twenty first century.
There are people out there (myself included) that consider Jim Morrison a brillant poet, Others can&#39;t make sense of his ramblings so I guess it&#39;s all in the ears of the listners.

JMO
Well said.

[MagicNakor]

Eminem isn&#39;t society&#39;s darling. :rolleyes:

For a time Oscar Wilde was, but he later fell into disgrace. Emily Dickinson only had eight poems published during her lifetime, and without her permission. The vast majority of her work was published post-humously.

I was thinking more of George Gordon (or Lord Byron), and William Shakespeare. To a lesser extent, Salvador Dali.

:ninja:

[Assultsniper]

What about the song purple pills and kill you? Definetly not poetry "Bitch Im gonna kill you,you dont wanna fuck with me"

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Assultsniper@20 September 2003 - 04:48
What about the song purple pills and kill you? Definetly not poetry "Bitch Im gonna kill you,you dont wanna fuck with me"
why isn&#39;t that poetry?
this topic, like so many on a board like this, is subjective, dependent on people&#39;s views...

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by dingoBaby+20 September 2003 - 04:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dingoBaby &#064; 20 September 2003 - 04:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Kitty@19 September 2003 - 23:32
Emily Dickinson was considered controversial in her time, yet now we see her as one of America&#39;s greatest poets.
Not saying that you can compare eminem to Emily, But what might be considered one mans art could be anothers trash.

Remember back in the day when Rock n&#39; Roll first showed it&#39;s face in town, It shur did get a lot of peoples panties in bunches but some people saw it as a legitimate form of music and art so it rolled on and now has become the foundation for a lot of other music showing it&#39;s face today.

I&#39;m not a big fan of Eminem, I have listened to his music and read the lyrics and in my opinion it does seem like a form of poetry for the twenty first century.
There are people out there (myself included) that consider Jim Morrison a brillant poet, Others can&#39;t make sense of his ramblings so I guess it&#39;s all in the ears of the listners.

JMO
Well said. [/b][/quote]
I second that well said.

It&#39;s not my sup of tea, but neither is :

I WANDERED lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o&#39;er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.

Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the milky way,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.

The waves beside them danced; but they
Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,
In such a jocund company:
I gazed--and gazed--but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:

For oft, when on my couch I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.


Why would one be considered poetry but the other not. Is it purely the subject matter. What about :



Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned out backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas&#33; GAS&#33; Quick, boys&#33;--An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound&#39;ring like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil&#39;s sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.



That produces some fairly horrific images. It was written in 1921 btw and is a classic

[chalice]

It is noble and fitting to die for one&#39;s country.
Tell it like it is, Wilfred.

[MagicNakor]

Oh, JPaul, for shame.

Where are the titles? Where are the authors?

You do a great disservice to Wordsworth and Owen.

Off to the corner with you, to think about what you&#39;ve done to those poor fellows.

:ninja:

[Lamsey]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks.gif

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@20 September 2003 - 12:26
Oh, JPaul, for shame.

Where are the titles? Where are the authors?

You do a great disservice to Wordsworth and Owen.

Off to the corner with you, to think about what you&#39;ve done to those poor fellows.

:ninja:
As I see it there are two potential groups of reader here. Those who already knew those things and those who don&#39;t care.

I appreciate that there may be a small group who didn&#39;t know but would want to. In the highly unlikely event that they stumble in I am sure you have catered for them.

Oh and I would appreciate it if you would be so good as to to hyphenate your "disservice" that&#39;s just plain ugly. I fully appreciate that your version is in fact correct and that mine is totally wrong. However sometimes beauty must come before accuracy - even in days where "smack yo bitch up" is considered poetic.

[Lamsey]

Eminem might be a poet, but not a very good one IMO.

However, I take issue with people calling him a musician. He is not a musician, he is a rapper. These are different disciplines.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 12:58
Eminem might be a poet, but not a very good one IMO.

However, I take issue with people calling him a musician. He is not a musician, he is a rapper. These are different disciplines.
You flame baiter - moderate yourself this instant young man.

[lynx]

Originally posted by JPaul@20 September 2003 - 11:55
Oh and I would appreciate it if you would be so good as to to hyphenate your "disservice" that&#39;s just plain ugly. I fully appreciate that your version is in fact correct and that mine is totally wrong. However sometimes beauty must come before accuracy - even in days where "smack yo bitch up" is considered poetic.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Though I would love to diss you over your observations on disservice, diss ain&#39;t the place to do it.

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by JPaul@20 September 2003 - 11:59
You flame baiter - moderate yourself this instant young man.
OK, I&#39;ll preview every post before adding it for the next week.

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by lynx@20 September 2003 - 12:00
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Though I would love to diss you over your observations on disservice, diss ain&#39;t the place to do it.
I find your punnery most disstasteful.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Lamsey+20 September 2003 - 13:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 20 September 2003 - 13:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@20 September 2003 - 11:59
You flame baiter - moderate yourself this instant young man.
OK, I&#39;ll preview every post before adding it for the next week. [/b][/quote]
That&#39;s a bit harsh - just PM yourself with a written warning and add a couple of notches to your bad behaviour monitor.

[Billy_Dean]

Have you ever been hated or discriminated against? I have,
I&#39;ve been protested and demonstrated against.
Picket signs for my wicked rhymes. Look at the times.
Sick is the mind of the motha fu*kin&#39; kid that&#39;s behind
all this commotion. Emotions run deep as ocean&#39;s explodin.&#39;
Tempers flaring from parents, just blow &#39;em off and keep goin.&#39;
Not takin&#39; nothin&#39; from no one, give &#39;em hell long as I&#39;m breathin.&#39;
Keep kickin&#39; ass in the mornin,&#39; an&#39; takin&#39; names in the evening.
Leavem with a taste as sour as vinegar in they mouth.
See, they can trigger me but they never figure me out.
Look at me now, I bet ya probably sick of me now.
Ain&#39;t you mama, I&#39;m gonna make you look so ridiculous now.

I&#39;m sorry, Mama. I never meant to hurt you. I never meant to make you cry, but tonight I&#39;m cleanin&#39; out my closet.

Eminem

How can you claim that&#39;s not poetry?


:)

[chalice]

Reasons For Attendance by Philip Larkin.

The trumpet&#39;s voice, loud and authoritative,
Draws me a moment to the lighted glass
To watch the dancers- all under twenty-five-
Solemnly on the beat of happiness.

-Or so I fancy, sensing the smoke and sweat,
The wonderful feel of girls. Why be out there?
But then, why be in there? Sex, yes but what
Is sex? Surely to think that the lion&#39;s share
Of happiness is found by couples - sheer

Inaccuracy as far as I&#39;m concerned.
What calls me is that lifted, rough-tongued bell
(Art if you like) whose individual sound
Insists I too am individual.
It speaks; I hear; others may hear as well,

But not for me, nor I for them; and so
With happiness. Therefore I stay outside,
Believing this, and they maul to and fro,
Believing that; and both are satisfied,
If no-one has misjudged himself. Or lied.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 11:58
He is not a musician, he is a rapper. These are different disciplines.
why do you have to say this?
are you really trying to piss off rap fans on the board?

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+20 September 2003 - 17:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 20 September 2003 - 17:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 11:58
He is not a musician, he is a rapper. These are different disciplines.
why do you have to say this?
are you really trying to piss off rap fans on the board? [/b][/quote]
No, just saying what I think. I think it is wrong to classify Rap as music.

[TheDave]

poem [&#39;pouim] n a peice of writing arranged in lines which usu have a regular rhythm and often rhyme. :P

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 17:43
No, just saying what I think. I think it is wrong to classify Rap as music.
why was ad treated so badly (along with myself) when we used to argue this point, yet you seem to utter it with immunity... <_<

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+20 September 2003 - 17:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 20 September 2003 - 17:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 17:43
No, just saying what I think. I think it is wrong to classify Rap as music.
why was ad treated so badly (along with myself) when we used to argue this point, yet you seem to utter it with immunity... <_< [/b][/quote]
Because he says you&#39;re wrong to like rap.

I don&#39;t have a probelm with you liking rap at all.



I just look down on you for it.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 18:00
Because he says you&#39;re wrong to like rap.

I don&#39;t have a probelm with you liking rap at all.



I just look down on you for it.
why do you have to say that rap isn&#39;t music though?
what exactly about rap as a genre prevents it from being a musical genre to you?

also, i hope your little footnote there was a joke...

[TheDave]

music [mju:zik] n the art of arranging and combining sounds able to be produced by the human voice or by instruments.

i cant find rap but a bon jovi fan shouldnt be allowed oppinions or the basic rights of an ant. :lol:

[fr600]

He&#39;s not just a poet. He is a great poet. He came on my birthday and said twinkle twinkle little star, how i wonder........lol

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+20 September 2003 - 18:02--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob &#064; 20 September 2003 - 18:02)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 18:00
Because he says you&#39;re wrong to like rap.

I don&#39;t have a probelm with you liking rap at all.



I just look down on you for it.
why do you have to say that rap isn&#39;t music though?
what exactly about rap as a genre prevents it from being a musical genre to you?

also, i hope your little footnote there was a joke... [/b][/quote]
As far as I&#39;m concerned, music has to use melodies, rhythms, harmonies, etc. to supplement or complement the lyrics and emotions in the song.

I&#39;d also expect a musician to do something musical - either to play an instrument or to sing.

Rappers don&#39;t do this, raps usually (although I admit not always) just have a repetitive, bland background beat while some guy warbles into a microphone.



Of course, this is just my personal opinion. I expect musicians to earn that title in the literal sense of the word.

[mrcall1969]

The Titanic by William MacGonnagal -

O beautiful ship Titanic
Of the White Star Line,
Your tragic tale shall be remembered
For a very long time.

Twas in the Month of April,
on the Fourteenth day,
That a disaster happened
Which took more than fifteen hundred lives away.

They were heading t&#39;wards Americ&#39;s shore
In the middle of the night,
When the lookout spied an iceberg,
Which gave him quite a fright.

They turned the wheel hard to Port,
And then again to Starboard,
But they hit the iceberg anyway.
The hull was rent like cardboard.

They tried to make the passengers
Get into the lifeboats,
But they said that it was too cold,
To be outside without their coats.

But Mr J Bruce Ismay of the White Star Line,
Persuaded them, because
He got into a lifeboat,
To show how safe it was.

And Mr Guggenheim was there,
With his valet by his side.
They both wore Evening Dress,
For to drown while badly dressed they could not abide.

They tried to make Mrs Strauss,
Get into a lifeboat,
But she wouldn&#39;t leave her husband.
They will never be forgot.

Joughin, the Ship&#39;s Baker,
Had imbibed the Demon Drink,
He jumped into the water,
He was lucky not to sink.

But they pulled him in a lifeboat,
And he survived the night,
But he signed the Pledge when he got home,
&#39;Cause he got such a fright.

The hero of the hour
Was Second Officer Lightoller
And I think that his example
We should all be sure to follow.

He did his duties bravely,
Though people swore and cursed,
Enforcing the Rule of the Sea,
&#39;Women and Children first&#39;

A wave washed him from off the deck,
Into the icy brine,
But he survived to tell the tale,
And defend the White Star Line.

At last the great Leviathan,
Slipped down below the water.
The Engineers stayed at their posts,
They never once did falter.

And Captain E.J. Smith,
On the bridge until the last,
Might not have hit the iceberg,
If he hadn&#39;t gone too fast.

If Carlsberg made poets, they almost certainly wouldn&#39;t be like him&#33;

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 20:35
As far as I&#39;m concerned, music has to use melodies, rhythms, harmonies, etc. to supplement or complement the lyrics and emotions in the song.
you expect ryhthms? what are drums then?
melodies? have you litened to rap/hip hop lately?
harmonies? listen to 2pac - dear mama

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+20 September 2003 - 20:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 20 September 2003 - 20:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 20:35
As far as I&#39;m concerned, music has to use melodies, rhythms, harmonies, etc. to supplement or complement the lyrics and emotions in the song.
you expect ryhthms? what are drums then?
melodies? have you litened to rap/hip hop lately?
harmonies? listen to 2pac - dear mama [/b][/quote]
I expect something a little better rhythmically from a drummer than a basic dragged 8-beat, which is almost uniform for rap.

Melodies... most raps I&#39;ve heard have two notes; eminem&#39;s recent songs are no exception, the one that&#39;s the main rap for 8-mile is an example.

Hip-hop doesn&#39;t come into the equation because I wasn&#39;t talking about it.

And harmonies? How can you have a harmony if the guys aren&#39;t singing? Granted, there may be some raps with musical choruses with harmonies, but I&#39;m talking about rapping in general here.

[J'Pol]

By your logic Lamsey, are all rappers called Ian.

Musician without the music.

[mrcall1969]

Not to mention all the samples and riffs etc used from other songs.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 20:59
the main rap for 8-mile is an example.
:lol:

by "the main one" i&#39;m assuming you mean the freestyle from 8 mile?

seems to me like you&#39;re displaying your ignorance on the topic...

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by mrcall1969@20 September 2003 - 21:04
Not to mention all the samples and riffs etc used from other songs.
absolutely bollocks

prove it

@JPaul :lol:

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+20 September 2003 - 21:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 20 September 2003 - 21:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 20:59
the main rap for 8-mile is an example.
:lol:

by "the main one" i&#39;m assuming you mean the freestyle from 8 mile?

seems to me like you&#39;re displaying your ignorance on the topic... [/b][/quote]
I mean the one which is never off the bloody radio and is in the trailers for the movie - not a bad assumption to make.


And if all you can pick on is a technicality like that, you must be grasping at straws.

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[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 21:08
And if all you can pick on is a technicality like that, you must be grasping at straws.

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nope
i just don&#39;t think someone in your posititon should make blanket statements that normal members are chastised for...

"us and them"

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[Lamsey]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+20 September 2003 - 21:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 20 September 2003 - 21:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 21:08
And if all you can pick on is a technicality like that, you must be grasping at straws.

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nope
i just don&#39;t think someone in your posititon should make blanket statements that normal members are chastised for...

"us and them"

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Forgive me for not enclosing the small technicalities of your argument in my description of my opinion of rap in general.


Oh wait, I did.



And did I give you permission to link to that image?

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[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Lamsey+20 September 2003 - 21:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 20 September 2003 - 21:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@20 September 2003 - 21:10
<!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 21:08
And if all you can pick on is a technicality like that, you must be grasping at straws.

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nope
i just don&#39;t think someone in your posititon should make blanket statements that normal members are chastised for...

"us and them"

http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/fingerright.gif
Forgive me for not enclosing the small technicalities of your argument in my description of my opinion of rap in general.


Oh wait, I did.



And did I give you permission to link to that image?

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i love it when an argument gets to this level

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[Lamsey]

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[3rd gen noob]

you have a lot more pictures on your site than i have shown on mine...do you want me to link to every one of them?

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@20 September 2003 - 21:18
you have a lot more pictures on your site than i have shown on mine...do you want me to link to every one of them?
Go ahead - there&#39;s only 413 on there.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Lamsey+20 September 2003 - 21:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 20 September 2003 - 21:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@20 September 2003 - 21:18
you have a lot more pictures on your site than i have shown on mine...do you want me to link to every one of them?
Go ahead - there&#39;s only 413 on there. [/b][/quote]
called my bluff

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@20 September 2003 - 21:23
called my bluff
Very good, Mr. Robinson.

[infamousalbo101]

i dont like http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/rock.gif

i like http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/beer.gif + rap

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Lamsey@20 September 2003 - 21:17
http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/flame.gif

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:rolleyes:

[infamousalbo101]

Kill the Mod (lamsey)

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[Rat Faced]

The thread is about Poetry, not music.

We have given an opinion.....

Yes, hes a Poet.

In our opinion a Crap poet..........does not stop you thinking the sun shines out of his arse, thats your perogitive.

[infamousalbo101]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@20 September 2003 - 22:59
The thread is about Poetry, not music.

We have given an opinion.....

Yes, hes a Poet.

In our opinion a Crap poet..........does not stop you thinking the sun shines out of his arse, thats your perogitive.
everybody has different opions it just depends on what kind of music you like. You make think hes crap you may not But it all come down on what you like to listen to everybody is different



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[Assultsniper]

Well in that case you can even call Brittney Spears a poet

[infamousalbo101]

Originally posted by Assultsniper@20 September 2003 - 23:03
Well in that case you can even call Brittney Spears a poet
PLease dont bring her into it

[Rat Faced]

IF she writes her own songs, yes.

I have trouble believing that she does, somehow :rolleyes:

[Gemby!]

Does it really matter if someone writes thier own songs ?? aslong and they have a voice i think it shouldn&#39;t matter

and yes britney spears can sing its just she picks the wrong songs

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by gemby&#33;@20 September 2003 - 22:08
Does it really matter if someone writes thier own songs ?? aslong and they have a voice i think it shouldn&#39;t matter

and yes britney spears can sing its just she picks the wrong songs
To be a Poet?

Yes.


You cant be a Poet unless you WRITE Poetry....

I havent mentioned her as a performer, that is a different issue....

[Gemby!]

;) does that mean cheeky girls are poets then ??

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by TheDave@20 September 2003 - 17:51
poem [&#39;pouim] n a peice of writing arranged in lines which usu have a regular rhythm and often rhyme. :P
I refer to the definition already posted.........you tell me ;)

[Gemby!]

*hums* we are the cheeky girls la la la touch my bum lalala cheeky cheeky


maybe not :P

[TheDave]

Originally posted by Rat Faced+20 September 2003 - 22:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rat Faced @ 20 September 2003 - 22:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TheDave@20 September 2003 - 17:51
poem [&#39;pouim] n a peice of writing arranged in lines which usu have a regular rhythm and often rhyme.&nbsp; :P
I refer to the definition already posted.........you tell me ;) [/b][/quote]
huh, does that mean you already said it? sorry im too lazy to check