Usenet vs. Torrents ( security)

[jaqques]

Hey guys!

Ive a question about how safe usenet is. Im new to this world :P

lately in some nordic countries they have now the law called ipred, that means the goverment have the rights to see what you are doing and downloading etc. ive been torrent user for many years, but thinking of going to usenet instead.

my question is, how safe is it (in percent) to connect to an usenet server with SSL protection compared to downloading torrents with a vpn connection?

[SonsOfLiberty]

Safest form of downloading you can do, you ISP might even offer NG's access with your I-Net account.

[jaqques]

What was the safes form? Usenet?

[SonsOfLiberty]

Yes

[pffm]

Yes, definitly usenet is more "secure" than torrents...

[mikeHD]

In order to obtain your identity, the copyright holder must discover identifying information, such as your IP address or maybe your username, which links you to an infringing file. Then they have to request your identity from the service provider, whether it is your ISP, the VPN or newsgroup provider. The security in newsgroups comes mainly from the fact that they have no way of finding your IP if you're just downloading. They may be able to track your uploads with your username (why most posters switch it up or use generic names) and that alone probably wouldn't be enough to identify who your newsgroup provider is or your IP, which could identify you.

Torrenting from home or seedbox obviously allows your IP address to be shown to every other peer, which means it is unsafe on public trackers and more secure in private trackers, but that's all relative. With the VPN service, they could find the IP and then request your info from the VPN provider, which may or may not give you up, I'm not sure.

I don't think one can estimate or quantify the relative security of these filesharing methods, but just consider how it is possible to prevent the antipiracy folks from getting any information connecting you to filesharing in the first place. Just leeching off usenet is probably the best way to do that.

[masscrazy]

Hey guys!

Ive a question about how safe usenet is. Im new to this world :P

lately in some nordic countries they have now the law called ipred, that means the goverment have the rights to see what you are doing and downloading etc. ive been torrent user for many years, but thinking of going to usenet instead.

my question is, how safe is it (in percent) to connect to an usenet server with SSL protection compared to downloading torrents with a vpn connection?

Also new, also wondering the same thing.

But i have found torrents to be so much better. Organised, easy to use, exact same speeds, just not as safe but thats the only downside oh and the little thing known as uploading/seeding back. But its worth it.

[iLOVENZB]

Usenet vs Torrents

SSL vs Public IP

Usenet WINS!!!

[222MHz]

But i have found torrents to be so much better. Organised, easy to use, exact same speeds, just not as safe but thats the only downside oh and the little thing known as uploading/seeding back. But its worth it.

You must have a very slow connection.. And when you sit in a torrent swarm you might as well have a name tag on that says "Hello, My name is Bob"

The only thing I torrent is basically what it was initially designed for... Easing loads for servers.. In my case OpenSource.. I seed a couple of distros 24/7 for forever now.. How about those ratios.. I upped Debian Stable at 25Kb/s for 2 years..

[SonsOfLiberty]

You can use http://ipredator.se/, either way (Torrent or Usenet) you'll be paying to stay safe...

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-announces-ipredator-global-anonymity-service-090323/

[cinephilia]

Usenet vs Torrents

SSL vs Public IP

Usenet WINS!!!
many private trackers support SSL...



You must have a very slow connection..
i'd rather say he's member of a good 0day tracker :cool:

[mikeHD]

many private trackers support SSL...



But you're still connecting to other peers even if you announce on an SSL conneciton. Unless you use a proxy service, your IP is publicly available to any member of that private tracker. The more secure you believe that site is, the better, but with usenet, your IP is never exposed to any third party.

[iLOVENZB]

many private trackers support SSL...

Possible but your IP is still public.

I was on ScL and I was leeching and I could see many IP's I used IPAF (http://www.ipaddresslocation.org/) and managed to find their:

IP Address Hostname, IP Country, IP Country Code, IP Continent, IP Region, Guessed City, IP Latitude, IP Longitude, ISP.

Not safe at all :01:.

[technodrome]

but many of good trackers are much safer than anything.. U only have to get in a high level tracker..

[iLOVENZB]

but many of good trackers are much safer than anything.. U only have to get in a high level tracker..

Yes, but then people will spread the word of these trackers causing unwanted attention, then you'll have Anti-piracy bodies getting invited for these trackers and then they'll get your IP's.

[Buschwusch]

but many of good trackers are much safer than anything.. U only have to get in a high level tracker..

yeah, and that's not too easy ;-)
atleast if you want a good tracker.
i'll give usenet a try...

[222MHz]

the best part of torrents is also it's worst part... Torrents are for school kids w/o access to a credit card...

[SonsOfLiberty]

but many of good trackers are much safer than anything.. U only have to get in a high level tracker..

yeah, and that's not too easy ;-)
atleast if you want a good tracker.
i'll give usenet a try...

Even so, they log everything about you, there are no impending cases against Newsgroup providers, one most ISP's offer them for free, and next other providers fall under "common carrier law". So, if a private site gets busted and they got logs, guess what your tagged :yup:

[masscrazy]

But i have found torrents to be so much better. Organised, easy to use, exact same speeds, just not as safe but thats the only downside oh and the little thing known as uploading/seeding back. But its worth it.

You must have a very slow connection.. And when you sit in a torrent swarm you might as well have a name tag on that says "Hello, My name is Bob"

The only thing I torrent is basically what it was initially designed for... Easing loads for servers.. In my case OpenSource.. I seed a couple of distros 24/7 for forever now.. How about those ratios.. I upped Debian Stable at 25Kb/s for 2 years..

Nope, i have a 12-13Mb connection i get 1.6MB/1.7MB/s. Torrents the speed (with good seeds ofcourse) stays at a CONSTANT 1.66-1.7MB. Usenet it fluctuates. Sometimes i get the full 1.6MB/s, usually around 1.4MB. Also i get different speeds on different clients, which is odd.


but many of good trackers are much safer than anything.. U only have to get in a high level tracker..
Im lucky i got the level 10 tracker, and last 5-6months of freeleech has been delightful, got 150gb buffer with my crappy upload. Ha, and i just noticed it has SSL and im already using it access the site.


many private trackers support SSL..

[mikeHD]

the best part of torrents is also it's worst part... Torrents are for school kids w/o access to a credit card...

That's often overlooked, but it is true. I used torrents for a while, but when I realized I could rise above the fray for the price of one movie ticket, I never looked back.

[UsenetGuy]

You must have a very slow connection.. And when you sit in a torrent swarm you might as well have a name tag on that says "Hello, My name is Bob"

The only thing I torrent is basically what it was initially designed for... Easing loads for servers.. In my case OpenSource.. I seed a couple of distros 24/7 for forever now.. How about those ratios.. I upped Debian Stable at 25Kb/s for 2 years..

Nope, i have a 12-13Mb connection i get 1.6MB/1.7MB/s. Torrents the speed (with good seeds ofcourse) stays at a CONSTANT 1.66-1.7MB. Usenet it fluctuates. Sometimes i get the full 1.6MB/s, usually around 1.4MB. Also i get different speeds on different clients, which is odd.


but many of good trackers are much safer than anything.. U only have to get in a high level tracker..
Im lucky i got the level 10 tracker, and last 5-6months of freeleech has been delightful, got 150gb buffer with my crappy upload. Ha, and i just noticed it has SSL and im already using it access the site.


many private trackers support SSL..

Hahaha, I find it funny that you think accessing a torrent tracker using SSL protects you. It does nothing. The reason the speed from usenet wasn't as good or fluctuated for you was probably the route from the server to you, you're only downloading from one source... on torrents you download from several. There are many servers, if you tried another one you could get better speeds, you never know.

Also, it's a level 10 tracker.. wow, you must feel so secure. The fact is that if you can get into it then no doubt a trained federal agent can do it too. And free leech is good but the content on private trackers is often very limited, mostly just scene releases. There is a much wider range of stuff on usenet.

Usenet = More Secure. No matter what you say, it simply is. The way torrents work is just not secure at all.

[masscrazy]

Hahaha, I find it funny that you think accessing a torrent tracker using SSL protects you. It does nothing. The reason the speed from usenet wasn't as good or fluctuated for you was probably the route from the server to you, you're only downloading from one source... on torrents you download from several. There are many servers, if you tried another one you could get better speeds, you never know.

Also, it's a level 10 tracker.. wow, you must feel so secure. The fact is that if you can get into it then no doubt a trained federal agent can do it too. And free leech is good but the content on private trackers is often very limited, mostly just scene releases. There is a much wider range of stuff on usenet.

Usenet = More Secure. No matter what you say, it simply is. The way torrents work is just not secure at all.

I didnt say usenet was not more secure. And i didnt say the level 10 tracker makes using torrents any more secure. And i didnt say accessing torrent tracker using SSL protects me, i just stated i did.

Its probably something like 1% of people using torrents actually get 'caught' so the way i see it is, for now torrents are alot better than usenet. There may be a wider range of stuff to download from usenet but its so unorganised and annoying to get stuff from there.

[Turtles]

so unorganised and annoying to get stuff from there.

:pinch:

Get Newzbin or something similar if that's your problem.

[Sonnentier]

For Usenet, you have to pay. Any way you look at it this just isn't good.
Where's the feeling of sharing? Just one cold server run by some people that make business by selling piracy.

And you, spending money on downloading copyrighted stuff just for you and yourself.

[mikeHD]

I share many nice Saturday nights with my wife watching great movies in our living room, scotch in hand.

[masscrazy]

so unorganised and annoying to get stuff from there.

:pinch:

Get Newzbin or something similar if that's your problem.

I got it, but again got to pay, boo. I got the grabitsearch package, its ok same thing as every index site.

What the hell are .par2 files? Some error checking/solving files, i got 500MB extra to download for rar files that were perfectly fine without the par2 files, what gives.

[UsenetGuy]

I got it, but again got to pay, boo. I got the grabitsearch package, its ok same thing as every index site.

What the hell are .par2 files? Some error checking/solving files, i got 500MB extra to download for rar files that were perfectly fine without the par2 files, what gives.

http://tinyurl.com/cj3pka :)

[masscrazy]

I got it, but again got to pay, boo. I got the grabitsearch package, its ok same thing as every index site.

What the hell are .par2 files? Some error checking/solving files, i got 500MB extra to download for rar files that were perfectly fine without the par2 files, what gives.

http://tinyurl.com/cj3pka :)

That was quite funny. But i already did that, and as i said i know they're there for error checking and repairing .rar files but i downloaded an extra 500mb par2 files for rar files that were perfectly fine, unless they were repaired on the fly. Anyway its only 500mb, no big deal.

[haroldoftheroc]

http://tinyurl.com/cj3pka :)

That was quite funny. But i already did that, and as i said i know they're there for error checking and repairing .rar files but i downloaded an extra 500mb par2 files for rar files that were perfectly fine, unless they were repaired on the fly. Anyway its only 500mb, no big deal.
The first time the .rar files aren't all there, you will be very happy.

[UsenetGuy]

http://tinyurl.com/cj3pka :)

That was quite funny. But i already did that, and as i said i know they're there for error checking and repairing .rar files but i downloaded an extra 500mb par2 files for rar files that were perfectly fine, unless they were repaired on the fly. Anyway its only 500mb, no big deal.

What client do you use? Alt.Binz allows you to set it so it will only download par2 files if a file is incomplete, even then it will only download the nessecary amount instead of just all of them. If you download a lot from usenet then this would save you quite a lot of time and bandwidth. :)

[linuXshock]

Usenet is safer

[BrettW]

Yea, we were having this discussion at work today. Hands down usenet is safer. The only downside is that you have to pay for it.

[222MHz]

Ferrari's would suck if they were free.

[vnqish]

Correct me if I'm wrong.. but SSL doesn't matter when you're on trackersites, downloading .torrents is not even illegal. And once you're in utorrent or whatever you use, your ip is still visible.

It's too bad that usenet doesn't have much asian movies/dramas/music from what I've seen, anybody know anything about this?

[UsenetGuy]

It's too bad that usenet doesn't have much asian movies/dramas/music from what I've seen, anybody know anything about this?

Actually there is quite a bit of asian content on usenet, even a site dedicated to it: http://www.asianusenet.com/

[vnqish]

Actually there is quite a bit of asian content on usenet, even a site dedicated to it: http://www.asianusenet.com/

Oh thank you so much for that link! It sure had alot to offer!
But too bad you have to pay $20 to have access to 100 days retention.. :cry:

[saulin]

Oh thank you so much for that link! It sure had alot to offer!
But too bad you have to pay $20 to have access to 100 days retention.. :cry:

Or you can pay $11 a month to have access to 240 days of retention.

[Zod5000]

Oh thank you so much for that link! It sure had alot to offer!
But too bad you have to pay $20 to have access to 100 days retention.. :cry:

Or you can pay $11 a month to have access to 240 days of retention.

Yah astraweb is pretty sweet.

+1 on Usenet being safer. Torrents aren't very secure. If one person jumps on the torrent they can see all the other IP addresses on that torrent. Alot of countries laws are against the uploading (distribution of the content), not the downloading (or at least the distribution penalty is alot more severe than the downloading one).

Not only use usenet more secure (especially if you enable SSL encryption and no one can tell what your downloading), you don't have to upload, which means you weren't distributing copyright content.

If you look at the court cases in the US its all P2P and reason the amounts are so large is because the RIAA/MPAA is saying the individual distributed using p2p.

[vnqish]

Or you can pay $11 a month to have access to 240 days of retention.

I assume you mean Astraweb? But the problem is to find the asian movies/music etc? Which is why I'd look for NBZ at asianusenet.

[saulin]

Or you can pay $11 a month to have access to 240 days of retention.

I assume you mean Astraweb? But the problem is to find the asian movies/music etc? Which is why I'd look for NBZ at asianusenet.

You mean that asianusenet is not free? Well if it isn't. As long as you know the name of the shows or the names of artists for music that you are looking for you should be able to find them on many sites that index usenet posts.

You don't necesarily need nzbs to queue the files you need. You just need a search engine. I never use nzb sites. I just use usenet search engines. I use super search in Newsleecher or use the search engine in Easynews. There are others that are free that work great too. like newzleech.com or binsearch.info