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sharedholder
09-21-2003, 08:56 PM
500 paedophiles to be tracked by satellite tags

Paedophiles are to be electronically tagged in the UK for the first time in a move that could prompt a revolution in the treatment and monitoring of sex offenders.
A British company is to hold talks with Ministers in the next few weeks with a view to launching a Home Office-backed trial involving between 100 and 500 child sex offenders. It is also talking to government officials in the United States, Italy and Ireland and is to tag a number of paedophiles who have volunteered to wear the device.

Sky Guardian will unveil the first electronic device made specifically to track paedophiles at this month's Labour party conference and is to test the technology on a volunteer MP this week.

Civil liberty groups expressed deep concerns last night. 'If they have been released, they should be free to live their life in liberty. This muddies the waters between guilt and innocence,' said Mark Littlewood, campaigns director of Liberty.

'This is more likely to make them feel alienated. Once released they should be made to feel a normal member of the community.'

But the news is likely to be greeted favourably by child protection campaigners who have long called for the obligatory tagging of paedophiles.

Labour MP Dan Norris, a former social worker who specialised in child protection and will volunteer to be fitted with a tag this week, said: 'I know the danger that paedophiles pose. It can never stop the bad things that bad people do but it can minimise the risk. This is a potential revolutionary technology but we need to know whether it works. I intend to give it a proper test.'

Until now the technology to constantly monitor offenders has been suspect and paedophile experts have expressed fears that it did not allow for instant communication with offenders, which they say is crucial if it is to stop paedophiles reoffending.

Unlike tags now used to enforce curfews for general criminal offenders, which communicate on localised radio frequencies, the new device uses global satellite positioning technology. This will allow probation services and police to pinpoint the wearer anywhere in the UK to within three metres.

The device is capable of providing a detailed diary at the end of every day of where the user has been.

The electronic diary can be studied remotely by experts to build up a profile of the offender which will help them predict whether the person will offend again.

The new technology, which is attached to a person's ankle, is adapted from electronic tags fitted to offenders in the United States. The device has a wireless connection to a special mobile phone carried by the offender at all times. If the phone, which is linked to a call centre staffed by trained paedophile experts, is separated from the tag an alarm is triggered.

'This level of communication with an offender is absolutely essential if a mature and effective form of management is to work,' said Clive Crosby, managing director of Sky Guardian.

'To be able to have "Talk down" with an offender because he is in a high-risk area and likely to offend is the single most effective control measure that be applied,' Crosby added.

Home Secretary David Blunkett has expressed support for tagging paedophiles in the past and is keen to test the new GPS technology. Following the murder of Sarah Payne, Blunkett wrote: 'We are interested in tagging sex offenders released on supervision into the community, not least to ensure that they stick to the agreed location.'

The tag's appeal to police forces and probation services is obvious, but Ray Wyre, an expert on sex offenders who is working with Sky Guardian, said there were advantages for registered paedophiles, as well.

'Because it tracks where they go every day it would mean they would not have to be picked up every time there is an offence committed,' Wyre said.

'If you have a major investigation it takes up so much police time. This would be able to exclude them from the start.'

Wyre said the new technology was far cheaper than the current tagging devices used to enforce curfews and probation orders which costs around £500 per offender each month.

'We've heard the Government wants to pilot a scheme. This technology is so much more advanced than anything out there at the moment. Our feeling is to try it for 500 people. It costs around half the price,' Wyre said.

SOURCE (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1046614,00.html)

Rat Faced
09-21-2003, 10:51 PM
I have to admit, i have no clear cut position on this one.

On the one hand, the safety of our children is paramount.

On the other, the question of "Big Brother" always gets me spooked.

Im going to read this thread with interest, but one thing...

Keep it cool guys........no flame baiting.

One thing stood out, imho....


'To be able to have "Talk down" with an offender because he is in a high-risk area and likely to offend is the single most effective control measure that be applied,' Crosby added.


I would love to know what a "Low Risk" area is......not as if the UK has a huge Wilderness with no kids for 100s of miles.....

billyfridge
09-21-2003, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by sharedholder@21 September 2003 - 20:56
500 paedophiles to be tracked by satellite tags

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'If you have a major investigation it takes up so much police time. This would be able to exclude them from the start.'

Wyre said the new technology was far cheaper than the current tagging devices used to enforce curfews and probation orders which costs around £500 per offender each month.

'We've heard the Government wants to pilot a scheme. This technology is so much more advanced than anything out there at the moment. Our feeling is to try it for 500 people. It costs around half the price,' Wyre said.

SOURCE (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1046614,00.html)
I completely agree with tagging peodophiles, slimy bastards the lot of them.
as for civil liberties, they should lose them the moment they commit an offence.
I also think that all convicted criminals should be tagged on a 'three strikes and you're out ' principal. The savings on police time, and funds would be enormous.
I&#39;m 62 and no angel when younger. I&#39;ve even done &#39;time&#39; but i have never ever been pulled by police for something i have&#39;nt done. We&#39;ve got DNA and that has made a big difference, so will tagging. we should ignore these civil lib, and other do good plonkers, and just get on with it. <_<

bigboab
09-22-2003, 02:00 AM
While I agree with tagging. I think you would also have to tag the children so that you would have some indication when these people came anywhere near them.

MagicNakor
09-22-2003, 02:03 AM
However, it does bring to mind a new type of catch and release program.

:ninja:

bigboab
09-22-2003, 02:36 AM
No it should be release the catch&#33;

Billy_Dean
09-22-2003, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by Rat Faced@22 September 2003 - 07:51

&#39;To be able to have "Talk down" with an offender because he is in a high-risk area and likely to offend is the single most effective control measure that be applied,&#39; Crosby added.


I would love to know what a "Low Risk" area is......not as if the UK has a huge Wilderness with no kids for 100s of miles.....
I think you&#39;ll find high risk areas are gonna be around schools, youth clubs, kid&#39;s playgrounds ... these sort of places, remember, this thing is accurate to within 3 metres.

My opinion .... tag the f*cking lot of &#39;em, or lock &#39;em up if they don&#39;t agree. These pieces of shit don&#39;t deserve civil liberties.

@ Billyfridge ....... at last, someone older than me&#33; A Londoner too?



:)

ilw
09-22-2003, 08:57 AM
One thing i would like to know is whether it will lead to them releasing more paedophiles (as Magic said) or releasing them sooner, because there is now the possibility of &#39;care in the community&#39;. As to whether its a good idea or not, I&#39;m ambivalent.

Billy_Dean
09-22-2003, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by ilw@22 September 2003 - 17:57
One thing i would like to know is whether it will lead to them releasing more paedophiles (as Magic said) or releasing them sooner, because there is now the possibility of &#39;care in the community&#39;. As to whether its a good idea or not, I&#39;m ambivalent.
Does that mean you swing both ways?



:)

ilw
09-22-2003, 09:04 AM
Are you trying to flirt with me? I&#39;m not into those backdoor shenanigans.

Billy_Dean
09-22-2003, 09:14 AM
Just thought I&#39;d ask&#33;


:)

MagicNakor
09-22-2003, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by ilw@22 September 2003 - 09:57
One thing i would like to know is whether it will lead to them releasing more paedophiles (as Magic said) ...
Actually, I was thinking of the wildlife programs around here. They capture an animal, radio tag it, release it back into the wild, and observe its behaviour in its natural habitat.

So now they&#39;ve started with humans.

:ninja:

chalice
09-22-2003, 09:22 AM
Attach the tag to their ankles.
Attach the tag to a chain.
Attach the chain to a bus.
Go downhill at speed.

*edit* We can all take turns driving the bus.
If anyone doesn&#39;t want to drive it, I&#39;ll take their turn.

Illuminati
09-22-2003, 12:15 PM
I have to say I&#39;m schiz on the whole issue - i.e. Both for and against it.

In the view of For it, it could be a very effective deterrent for paedophilia to be tagged for a very long time.

The view of Against is based on the effectiveness of such technology - If it works to cut down paedophilia-related crimes, what&#39;s to stop it being effective for offenders of other crimes - Murderers, robbers, arsonists...even file sharers. Don&#39;t forget that this is based in the UK, where piracy (AFAIK) actually is a criminal offense if caught. :unsure:

silent VI
09-22-2003, 12:41 PM
id have to say i disagree on the taging technoligy just think of where it would lead upto soon every1 would be taged you know what i mean ho wwould you like walking aroun dsendin gout a signal in where you are watching everything you do at all times :blink: :blink: :blink: :P no than xthats sketche dout i think they just are usin gpedos for an escuse for testin gthe technoligy while informing the public its fo ra good cause eg. tracing pedophiles but in my personal onpinion i fyouve been convicted to a sex crim eon a child why in god name isn t heor she locked up forever ill tell y awhy cause theres too bloddy many o fthen take overnet for exampl ehave you used th eprogam id have to swear its a p2p dedicated towards the sharing of chil dporn with ove 500000 users (those are just the 1n swho can afford computer never min dall the junkies on the streets) in my personal opinion a pedophile should b eexicuted o rneutered :P there should b eno second chance for a pedophile thats the 1 thin gi hate most in this world :angry:

Illuminati
09-22-2003, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by DrunkeNStylE@22 September 2003 - 13:41
id have to say i disagree on the taging technoligy just think of where it would lead upto soon every1 would be taged you know what i mean ho wwould you like walking aroun dsendin gout a signal in where you are watching everything you do at all times :blink: :blink: :blink: :P no than xthats sketche dout i think they just are usin gpedos for an escuse for testin gthe technoligy while informing the public its fo ra good cause eg. tracing pedophiles but in my personal onpinion i fyouve been convicted to a sex crim eon a child why in god name isn t heor she locked up forever ill tell y awhy cause theres too bloddy many o fthen take overnet for exampl ehave you used th eprogam id have to swear its a p2p dedicated towards the sharing of chil dporn with ove 500000 users (those are just the 1n swho can afford computer never min dall the junkies on the streets) in my personal opinion a pedophile should b eexicuted o rneutered :P there should b eno second chance for a pedophile thats the 1 thin gi hate most in this world :angry:
Can someone please translate for me? :huh:

ilw
09-22-2003, 12:52 PM
I think drunkenstyle has space bar issues :P

Copyright infringement is not a criminal offence in the UK and the UK equivalent of the RIAA has stated that it has no plans to go after file sharers at the moment. AFAIK Sweden (or is it another Scandinavian country) is just about the only country in the world where file sharing is a criminal offence.

bigboab
09-22-2003, 01:28 PM
Tagging can be hidden. How about forehead branding?

wormless
09-22-2003, 01:31 PM
i hope they kill them we they get them dirty rotten perverts or they should be burnt alive and rott in hell&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;1

cowswithguns
09-22-2003, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by chalice@22 September 2003 - 19:22
Attach the tag to their ankles.
Attach the tag to a chain.
Attach the chain to a bus.
Go downhill at speed.

*edit* We can all take turns driving the bus.
If anyone doesn&#39;t want to drive it, I&#39;ll take their turn.
Whilst I agree that any deterrent is worth trying......I feel that chalice has put perfectly my feelings on what to do with paedophiles.

I am interested to know what penalties would apply if a tagged offender was found to be in a &#39;high risk&#39; area.

Illuminati
09-22-2003, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by cowswithguns+22 September 2003 - 16:20--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cowswithguns @ 22 September 2003 - 16:20)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chalice@22 September 2003 - 19:22
Attach the tag to their ankles.
Attach the tag to a chain.
Attach the chain to a bus.
Go downhill at speed.

*edit* We can all take turns driving the bus.
If anyone doesn&#39;t want to drive it, I&#39;ll take their turn.
Whilst I agree that any deterrent is worth trying......I feel that chalice has put perfectly my feelings on what to do with paedophiles.

I am interested to know what penalties would apply if a tagged offender was found to be in a &#39;high risk&#39; area. [/b][/quote]
Chain them to an F1 :devil:

internet.news
09-22-2003, 06:05 PM
Generally I would say it is a good idea...

but how you use it, it depends on each case...

thks :)

mogadishu
09-23-2003, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by DrunkeNStylE@22 September 2003 - 07:41
id have to say i disagree on the taging technoligy just think of where it would lead upto soon every1 would be taged you know what i mean ho wwould you like walking aroun dsendin gout a signal in where you are watching everything you do at all times :blink: :blink: :blink: :P no than xthats sketche dout i think they just are usin gpedos for an escuse for testin gthe technoligy while informing the public its fo ra good cause eg. tracing pedophiles but in my personal onpinion i fyouve been convicted to a sex crim eon a child why in god name isn t heor she locked up forever ill tell y awhy cause theres too bloddy many o fthen take overnet for exampl ehave you used th eprogam id have to swear its a p2p dedicated towards the sharing of chil dporn with ove 500000 users (those are just the 1n swho can afford computer never min dall the junkies on the streets) in my personal opinion a pedophile should b eexicuted o rneutered :P there should b eno second chance for a pedophile thats the 1 thin gi hate most in this world :angry:
i think i agree with u.. cant really understand..

i think we all agree that paedophalia is really fucked up.. although i might not have as much of a perspective as some of the older members of the board. but anyway, i think that stuff like this is quite creepy and the fact the technology exists.. its scary. of course if this was the only use, it wouldnt be a problem, but im just afraid of what will happen when they start using it for other things.

ZLOsiris
09-23-2003, 06:37 AM
a very touchie issue .... i would be all for it but then where does it stop ... i mean it could be opening pandoras box ..... pretty soon u could have people who have to many traffic tickets get tagged to make sure they dont speed. if its a voluntary i say more power to it but its got to stop there if it dont where will it stop.

nikita69
09-23-2003, 06:57 AM
I have to agree with RF, big brother always gets in the way with sensetive issues like this. How about this:
Provide a bracelet or alike with a sat. tracking device to the child (can be removed if wantted to)
Insert in the body of the pedophile an object that will trigger the sat. tracking and the org which monitoring this kid upon coming close say with a 1-5 miles.

MagicNakor
09-23-2003, 08:11 AM
:huh: I don&#39;t think paedophiles generally target the same child again and again.

:ninja:

mogadishu
09-23-2003, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by MagicNakor@23 September 2003 - 03:11
:huh: I don&#39;t think paedophiles generally target the same child again and again.

:ninja:
yes, but they target the same age group. which is why they would keep them away from schools etc. but nonetheless i am still opposed to this idea.

MagicNakor
09-23-2003, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by nikita69@23 September 2003 - 07:57
...Provide a bracelet or alike with a sat. tracking device to the child (can be removed if wantted to)
Insert in the body of the pedophile an object that will trigger the sat. tracking and the org which monitoring this kid upon coming close say with a 1-5 miles...
This sounds, to me, that they&#39;re tagging a specific child.

:ninja: