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teqguy
09-22-2003, 05:08 PM
Having everyone share isn't enough on the Fast Track Network / Kazaa.
We still need sources to connect to that link us to those files. Those sources are supernodes. Without supernodes, we can't find the files we're looking for.

Although sharing is a very honorable thing to do, because without it we wouldn't have files, I need to ask everyone for a little more. Nobody stresses the fact that 5 to 10 supernodes die every day because of people updating Kazaa.

Version 1.3 and below had the supernode option enabled by default, but in the most recent versions, supernode was disabled because people were complaining about the excessive CPU usage that goes into Kazaa.

But most of us now have decent systems that go above and beyond the current software requirements.

Most of them are twice as fast as the government's servers of 1996, so CPU usage isn't a problem, since most of us aren't rendering 3d animation while Kazaa is running.



Benefits of having more supernodes:

+ A more widely dispersed network that links more files and sources together.

+ Localization of servers (the closer together the users, sources, and supernodes are, the faster data can be sent and recieved)

+ Having more nodes creates a better interdependence between users and sources.



What this all means: FASTER DOWNLOADS.



So be a supernode if you have a fairly decent system.

teleping
09-22-2003, 06:45 PM
Hi there!
About supernodes, in addition to what tegguy said, there might be some other problems than the high process usage: I've been and am right now a supernode, but sometimes while being one the whole network under kazaa disappears, meaning there's only one user (that's me), only my files etc. However the web side works, nothing wrong or unusual with connections/CPU usage, only the access to the Kazaa/Fast Track network is gone! And of course the problem goes away when I disable the supernode-mode...
Any ideas what might be wrong, my system or the program/network? A bit funny this problem, You should have "better" access to the network when in "supermode"... B)

internet.news
09-23-2003, 07:25 PM
hi,

yes, you are right obviously :)

or better question: what can I do to support better sharing, means finding
of sources?

1) be a supernode, when you have the possibility, means: RIAA is not close to you probably, and good would be to have a fast computer for supernode option.

2) if you have a fast internet connection allow more people
to download files at once from you.

3) download some songs and offer it as second source -
if many people offer hard-to-find-files they would be easier
and faster to find and download.

thanks anyway, david.

internet.news
09-23-2003, 07:32 PM
"... About supernodes, in addition to what tegguy said, there might be some other problems than the high process usage: I've been and am right now a supernode, but sometimes while being one the whole network under kazaa disappears, meaning there's only one user (that's me), only my files etc. However the web side works, nothing wrong or unusual with connections/CPU usage, only the access to the Kazaa/Fast Track network is gone! And of course the problem goes away when I disable the supernode-mode... ..."

hi again,

I now tried "force being a supernode" - ok, i am on dialup, but gave it a try -
and: the first seconds being supernode I was the only user on network, after A FEW SECONDS MY SUPERNODE CONNECTED TO THE REST OF KAZAA LITE!!!!

thanks anyway, david.

fr600
09-23-2003, 08:04 PM
You must also say how to turn on the supernodes & anything related to this...

teqguy
09-24-2003, 06:26 PM
Go to Options, Kazaa Lite K++ Options go to either of the Advanced tabs, click "Force being a supernode" or uncheck "Do not function as a supernode", each option will counteract each other, so it doesn't matter which one you check.



Here are the minimum requirements for being a supernode(in my expert opinion):

++++Dialup(56k) connection other than AOL (NOT RECOMMENDED at all! But go ahead if you want)

++++ Intel Celeron 2ghz
AMD Athlon 2200+
Intel Pentium III 1.4ghz/ Pentium IV 1.5ghz


++++256mb of ram, no matter what type of ram you have


++++Ability to keep your system on for at least 8hrs straight (if you're not on, how can we connect to you? Most downloads would finish up in 8hrs, no matter how many you have)

teleping
09-24-2003, 10:34 PM
hi!
Just wanted to add that of the recommended minimum requirements I obviously lack CPU power (700 MHz Duron), but all others match up and the problem I have from time to time (no network as supernode) can come up by itself, and it does not go away with time, I've been out of network FOR HOURS at best (didn't notice when sleeping etc.)
I also have at least moderately secured (e.g. 2 firewalls+Windows' own) system so I guess (no source code available, I believe...but if there is, I wanna know! :) ) it (the problem) could come from some little piece of data being blocked somewhere sometime without e.g. error/exception handling in the source code which could check the number of users (stupid example only) and try to figure it's way out, maybe optional automatic supernode disablement or something could help...
Anyway, the program's great and the network too, I could thank for half of my life the people who developed this "poor's gateway to art, information and tools for today's world"... sounds a bit lame, but then again I could say I'm a sort of engineer so poetry doesn't show itself to me so usefully...sorry to waste your time with these :P

internet.news
09-26-2003, 12:24 AM
just wanted to add:

Also if you have not the best pc you can be a supernode - it will only
slow down everthing probably - but if you have a new pc with some ghz,
being a supernode should extremey slow down everything, I think.

cause I have 800mhz or something like this and it works...
what think is if a supernode has not huge power less people can connect
to it than to high power supernode!!!

but anyway: I WOULD THANK EVERYONE TO BE MORE OR LESS POWERFULL
SUPERNODE. ANd if you think beinbg supernoder slow down everything,. you can
turn on SUpernode Modus when gooing sleeping ... cause if you only have left
kazaa supernode on your computer it should work fine...

:)thks anyway,

david.

internet.news
09-26-2003, 12:28 AM
ok, just wanted to mention:

Remember: Every User on Kazaa is important, also if you not very long on kazaa
as a supernode your important :) ok, obviously the best is 24/7h supernode :)
but I would be glad to see people when being away from pc turned on supernode.

yes :) thks... nice dreams...

teqguy
09-26-2003, 02:52 AM
An 800mhz Duron is not recommended at all. Your cpu needs to be able to handle a lot of multitasking, as most users like to download while theyre supernodes.

If you want to just be a supernode and not download or upload, that would be fine, in fact, it would work a lot better.


Durons don't contain the power needed to be a server with good quality. They dont have SSE2, or MMX2.



Follow my recommendations, as most people don't even have 800mhz Durons anymore.

Blaster.Master
09-26-2003, 04:01 AM
can you see my isp if I'm a supernode?

kAb
09-26-2003, 04:06 AM
Originally posted by Blaster.Master@25 September 2003 - 20:01
can you see my isp if I'm a supernode?
if the riaa trys hard enough, probably yes.

if your american, you probably shouldn't.

if you are british etc., please do.

darkwalk1980
09-26-2003, 06:03 AM
I was a supernode for a few months at work (Washington University), but unfortunately the computer tech people complained that i'm using an insane amount of bandwidth. The report, according to one of the computer tech guy, was printed on paper and was comparable to couple reams of paper. :-) Its hard to keep being one without alerting higher authority. It would be nice to constraint the amount of bandwidth.

~Darkwalk~

TheDigable
09-26-2003, 06:22 AM
sorry...i was a supernode for a super really long time...and I live in the US.


Since all this crap has been going on however, I have stopped.

Not to mention, I feel a little uneasy leaving my computer on for 8 or more hours unattended...it just feels creepy to me. :unsure:

teleping
09-26-2003, 04:54 PM
aloha!
first a bit about this general security issue, I don't think I've ever seen or heard about a system that would be unvulnerable as a whole!
I don't mean to scear anybody or anything, but if e.g. RIAA or FBI or I or You would want to find your IP# through KaZaa/KLite or whatever then he/she, it would find a way to do it, but that may take time and there's the opposition and defending, "hiding" helping -> so I don't think anybody should worry about it much personally BUT they SHOULD acknowledge it and defend the cause of personal immunity etc. actively, especially EVERYTIME when something HAPPENS!!!
Otherwise no-one would know or do anything about these things and can't in one perspective try to help You either! Not everyone's bad, even if they offer to do something for free..
Okay, going out of line and order, so back2issue: I found the problem I was having!
My firewall simply blocked one specific port (maybe used to "node around", if multiple ports in use...?) more or less randomly, and I thought the according settings in my firewalls were correct, I even checked them but didn't notice the randomness..
(which is at least embarrassing, if not bad for my pre-presumed "knowledge" of computers :( ...)
anyway I'm going to upgrade my CPU&MB + others if necessary (if/when I have money of course...) and meanwhile lay the supernode aside for most, 'cause even sleeping there's 30+ proc:s running... B)
keep sharing and have fun with your loot !!! :P

teleping
09-26-2003, 06:02 PM
oh and thank You for all who offered help and opinions !!! :)

Switeck
09-26-2003, 08:28 PM
Being a SuperNode is NOT illegal in the USA!
(however it MIGHT violate your ISP's useage rules...)

Plus, if we get more average user SuperNodes then RIAA will have a slightly harder time spying on us. One of RIAA's tricks is to run a supernode themselves and monitor/block traffic that passes through it. (How much info they can gain doing that I don't know...) It's part of the reason why many have complained about terrible search results and total users reported to only be 100 or less.

Most 1-time searches only search the current supernode you're connected to and maybe 1 supernode (and its nodes) that your supernode is connected to. If OUR supernodes are denying (ie: BLOCK RIAA ips) connections with RIAA bots, then we are EFFECTIVELY ANONOMOUS to them. They will be forced to connect to other parts of the fasttrack network and we will be much safer from their invasive scanning.

krazy_kids_family
09-29-2003, 05:58 PM
Not sure I understand. Does being a supernode increase or decrease the RIAA risk? How much traffic would come across my ISP, and at what point will it get their attention? The kids computer is running K-Kite 2.4.2, and sufficient speed with DSL. DSL is fast download, but I think too slow upload (1.4M/125K). Need to spend some time and resolve the XP limited user issue. If nobody is logged on, will k-lite still allow upload, or does there need to be a user logged on?

teqguy
09-29-2003, 08:46 PM
Being a supernode runs no risk at getting caught by the RIAA.

As long as you don't share files and be a supernode at the same time, you're okay. Doing both will ultimately degrade your connection over a matter of minutes into the first download, and possibly crash your computer if you're using a USB modem or a low class cpu(1.2ghz and below).

I have checked and re-checked vunerabilities in getting caught with 2.4.1, 2.4.2, and 2.4.3 and what I've found is that even in 2.4.1 you run a 5% chance of getting spied on over the course of 1 month.


If you have 2.4.3 you are protected fully, just keep your IP blocker updated.


Don't worry about it. I haven't gotten caught ;)

DarkBlizzard
09-29-2003, 09:01 PM
the RIAA can get my IP if i'm a supernode....right? ( I'm American)

EDIT: And what if i'm a supernode and have NO songs

Hunted
09-29-2003, 09:12 PM
How do I turn it on?

Nora73
09-30-2003, 08:56 PM
I'm sorry, but why mu dl's are SO slow when I'm supernode? And by the way I haven't forced it being sn, but for few days I've been node every now and then. I try to dl tv series (couple of them) and I can see the difference in speed. It is somewhat better when I'm not a supernode.

What takes over 176 hours to dl? :(

Gun-Ryo
10-01-2003, 01:21 AM
im in USA its "illegal" to be a supernode... those are the things RIAA grabs when they uploading



btw im not fucking not sharing shit

Switeck
10-01-2003, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by Gun-Ryo@30 September 2003 - 20:21
im in USA its "illegal" to be a supernode... those are the things RIAA grabs when they uploading
The kind of 'supernode' RIAA is referring to is one sharing LOTS of music files.

The kind of Supernode this thread is talking about is backbone connections for the NETWORK KL++ connects to. Those backbone connections may or may not be sharing anything themselves.