In Your Opinion, Which is the Best HD Encode/Rip Group?

[technodrome]

I don't know here is the right place to start this poll. If it's not, sorry for that :)

You can vote with multiple. And please explain why you choose your choice?

if you have one of the best encoder but not in the list, please tell what is your favorite?

So, which one have the best 1080p Rips?

[RedRansom]

Absolutely answer is NOT scene!!!
I got many times audio synch problem from scene's encodes this is maybe about scene care about fast pre time not quality on the other hand HD tracker's internal groups care about quality at least i think they're controlling their encoded about corrupted and synch problems than internal groups FTW!!!
but if you're asking about which internal group i am not sure about that and trying to find out...
DON http://www.imagebam.com/image/11d71531409997

SEPTIC http://www.imagebam.com/image/3642b631409998
http://www.imagebam.com/image/3642b631409998
WiKi: http://www.luangh.com/up/files/12/chengguan33gjjjj-052%5B(001420)12-37-08%5D.png (http://www.luangh.com/up/files/12/chengguan33gjjjj-052%5B%28001420%2912-37-08%5D.png)
Twilight 2008 720p BluRay DTS of 3 release
but someone populer gropus are Esir,wiki,eureka,blind,hdrise,hint,Don

[Unstable1]

Not scene.

Not Eureka.

HDBits internal groups FTW. ESiR, CtrlHD, PerfectionHD, Don etc.

[technodrome]

Thanks for your replays. Than i have change the question, if you have one of the best encoder but not in the list, please tell what is your favorite?

[Di@monds]

ESiR is the best out there

[That1Guy]

I usually grab ESiR, but I only have 720p so that may be part of the reason. I have noticed that they do lots of 720p and not as much 1080p.

Since the poll asked for 1080p.... I cant really say from experience. Although I voted CtrlHD for the hell of it. :P

[iNaru]

voted for ESiR and CtrlHD , but where's DON?

[brightsid]

Obviously p2p groups are better. So all the groups have made some perfect encodes and some with problems. If you are looking for perfection there isn't. Personally I laugh with the comments in hd trackers suggesting that a certain release has a problem in a frame. I believe them they know away more things than I do but the one frame is really something the human eye can't notice. So my answer is that most of the well known p2p groups are making encodes that are perfect for the 99% of the viewer. Many thanks for their effort

[jaapaap]

Esir

[hof]

ESiR

[chec]

720p Esir
1080p CtrlHD

[technodrome]

Friends, please tell why you choose that ones. I want to know what they are good. Bitrate, audio, colors or something..

[whitesnake]

eureka and esir.

[CaptanAmerica]

my friend encodes fine, hes da best

[chec]

ESiR and CtrlHD are one of the oldest nonscene encoders.And their home is HDbits, i'm not sure but oldest HD tracker as i know, most famous and highest level as well.Collect eveything together, with their quality encodes...way is bright

[mikeHD]

I would love to see some better screenshot examples. I see that there is a very slight difference in the two above, but that could be the exception just as much as it could be the rule. And I don't know if that's the best example, since there really isn't much going on there that needs to be the best quality possible.

From the threads I've seen pertaining to HD, it seems like there is a kneejerk reaction within this forum to note that torrent encoders are the best. The charge seems to be led by a handful of HDBits members, so I think this is, in part, a matter of pride.

It just seems to me, as someone who leeches 720p releases of whatever group gets it to usenet first except when I'm going back in time and CtrlHD or ESiR or DON or whoever have been posted recently, that all of the films I've seen have been great HD quality. It seems that the zealots just take it for granted that these torrent encoders are better and never really prove the point in an irrefutable series of examples.

Tangentially, if you're not a member of HDBits (or using Usenet where at least some of the better movies are posted), where do you find such releases?

[ryan20021982]

Tangentially, if you're not a member of HDBits (or using Usenet where at least some of the better movies are posted), where do you find such releases?

Get em from any other HD site when there uploaded there

[borialis]

Esir and CtrlHD, IMO. I like PerfectionHD's rips as well.

[Dirt]

Esir and CtrlHD

[shipwreck]

Eureka for 1080p - for quality and especially compatibility reasons. I have yet to find a Eureka release that does not play back properly on hardware players. They strictly stick to 4.1 profile and a relatively low number of reference frames, in addition to dxva compatibility. All this is very important, and even everybody's darling ESiR, a very good group, no doubt, had 1080p releases that simply don't play back properly on hardware players.

ESiR for 720p - they seem to be 'specialised' on 720p, and a lot of their releases are quality indeed. And for 720p, the whole reference frame and dxva compatibility issue is much less of a problem (less of a burden, both memory and CPU wise).


As far as scene groups are concerned, REFiNED, SiNNERS and Japhson usually do a pretty good job. While p2p rips often are of better quality indeed, the difference is not as huge as some make it to be. There are some quality scene rips out there.

[OnEyM]

ESiR - don't know why. Don't like CTRLHD cuz their rips are like 12598125 GB/movie.

[PACINO]

ESiR

[iLOVENZB]

Has anyone noticed that p2p 72p rips are encodes of either scene/p2p 1080p sources?

Well I don't have any invites to the p2p HD trackers so i can only go by the scene standards.

Why I find strange is how many scene groups don't use the best codecs eg. AC3 instead of DTS

EDIT: Not meaning to go off topic but what HD trackers should I be looking out for? Including trackers with Free Leech

[shipwreck]

Has anyone noticed that p2p 72p rips are encodes of either scene/p2p 1080p sources?

If that is the case, respectable groups normally use the untouched, full Blu-ray / HDDVD source. So quality wise, the source is no different than the commercial discs you can buy.



Why I find strange is how many scene groups don't use the best codecs eg. AC3 instead of DTS

Space - the DTS core stream on Blu-rays needs 1.5Mbps, while AC3 has 640Kbps. And not all Blu-rays have DTS sound.

[technodrome]

So, iLOVENZB, you think internal groups are better than scene groups, right?

[pokekevin]

I would say internal groups are better than scene. Remember scene groups have strict guidelines to follow...but they do release movies pretty fast if your that eager to watch them. I mainly stick with ESiR and once in awhile CTRLHD depending on the encoder. They both work perfect with my popcorn hour A110 :). Ive tried WiKi and I will admit some of their releases do look sharper but the colors just seem...a bit off:\

[shipwreck]

WiKi do a pretty good job, too. No problem with colours and such, but I haven't seen that many of their releases yet. DON and PerfectionHD are other groups that release pretty good stuff.

P.S.: There are scene groups that don't care about size restrictions (e.g. 8GB for a 1080p movie), at least for some of their releases. Those are usually of pretty decent quality, too.

[cinephilia]

i'm pretty sure 95% of those who posted don't even see the difference between releases with the naked eye..

[shipwreck]

Difference between scene and P2P rips? Probably. As I wrote earlier, the difference is not as huge as some make it to be.

An important aspect that seems to be neglected in the discussion is compatibility, especially when it comes to 1080p rips. And especially in that area, groups like Eureka (which get a lot of unjustified flak on here IMHO) are excellent, as explained earlier. Newer scene releases usually are compatible, too (low number of reference frames, 4.1 profile etc.). It's a different story for older releases though.

[bassam319]

Esir - CtrlHD - Eureka .

But What About [Z@X] ??


BTW : Where can i find CtrlHD New Releases After HDBits , Cause Bit-Hdtv is not focusing on it as much as ESiR

[pokekevin]

i'm pretty sure 95% of those who posted don't even see the difference between releases with the naked eye..


Very true. But if you know what to look for then its somewhat/quite easy! :naughty:

The way i see it. Most people will support the groups that they first downloaded from lol

[iLOVENZB]

So, iLOVENZB, you think internal groups are better than scene groups, right?

Ehh I respect the scene and some p2p groups but p2p groups tend to not know why the scene do certain standards

eg. Split rars etc.



P.S.: There are scene groups that don't care about size restrictions (e.g. 8GB for a 1080p movie), at least for some of their releases. Those are usually of pretty decent quality, too.

Depends on the running time of the feature

[btgaoke]

no wiki?

[shipwreck]

Depends on the running time of the feature

Not necessarily. Quick example: REFiNED rip of Quantum of Solace. 106min, 8.74GB.

[iLOVENZB]

Depends on the running time of the feature

Not necessarily. Quick example: REFiNED rip of Quantum of Solace. 106min, 8.74GB.

I assume that's a 720p rip?

"We have gotten together and discussed file sizing. DVD9 causes a much too high
bitrate for releases around the 2 hour long mark."

"[ Total Sizes ]

2.1) Final file size must be DVD5, 1.5 x DVD5, or DVD9 size
2.2) A size of 0.5 x DVD5 is acceptable for animated movies ONLY.
2.3) A max undersize of 40 MiB can be tolerated
2.4) DVD9 should be used only in cases of long movies, or high action movies.
2.5) Propering a release that could have been a bigger size is not valid,
unless below minimum bitrate.
2.6) 2x DVD5 is NOT allowed.
2.7) For very long movies like LOTR, you may deviate from rules. Please use a
multiple of 0.5xDVD5 (2240 MiB)."

Source: high.def.x264.movie.standards.rev2.nfo (Yes, I know there is a later revision)

:whistling

EDIT: Revision 3.1 doesn't change much but 3.0 has significantly changed since revision 2

[shipwreck]

It's a 1080p rip (Quantum.of.Solace.1080p.BluRay.x264-REFiNED). Would have been an even more drastic example if it was a 720p rip, since 106min are anything but a "very long" movie (less than two hours), and 8.74GB for a relatively short 720p rip would have been rather overkill.

Another example: The.Boondock.Saints.1999.1080p.BluRay.x264-CiNEFiLE

108min, 8.74GB

[shipwreck]

Now that we have a poll about the best HD groups, what about the worst?

My vote goes to BDFLiX, or INFAMOUS. Nah, BDFLiX wins hands down. Not only do they rip ('rape' rather) every movie to the ~7.5GB max 'BD9' format, no matter how long they are, resulting in often pretty pixelated (read: crappy) rips. They also do some unbelievable school boy mistakes, unforgivable for classic movies like Kill Bill Vol.1, for example. They ruined that one by choosing a vertical resolution of 1280 pixels (instead of 1080 pixels max., obviously). Still don't get how that could have been 'overseen', if they even check their own rips that is.

[TheAllusionist]

I think that's the point of sticking with a certain group, that way you're assured quality rather than there being a possibility of failure. I prefer p2p groups like ESiR, CtrlHD, DON, PerfectionHD, etc.

The scene may have rules, but if you know anything about encoding, you should see that the rules are just a minimum guideline. The groups tend to see those as optimum settings and believe that they will have perfect releases. There is also an element of racing with the scene, whereas p2p try to get their uploads out quickly, but without errors.

Another thing is that when people say a p2p group, it just means that they are non-scene and use a peer-to-peer method. Most of the these groups are on private HD torrent sites or members of usenet groups. Both of these are dedicated to quality and that is why I see their rips as an extra seal of assurance.

If you mean p2p as in grabbing something from thepiratebay or mininova, there certainly wouldn't be the same commitment to quality.

/rant

[shipwreck]

Recent example of a scene rip that simply does not make sense. If it wasn't a good movie, I wouldn't even care. But seriously...

The.Curious.Case.of.Benjamin.Button.1080p.BD9.x264-Chakra

166min movie 'forced' into the 7.5GB BD9 format, resulting in an average video bitrate of around 5500Kbps, which really isn't enough for 1080p. In addition to that, they chose a 768Kbps DTS audio stream, likely re-encoded from the original lossless source. :rolleyes:

If you want to have DTS sound, choose the 1536Kbps DTS core (no re-encoding needed), provided the Blu-Ray source has DTS audio streams, of course. If you need to save space, choose 640Kbps AC3 instead, and not 768Kbps DTS - the latter was DVD standard, just like 448Kbps AC3 was. At 640Kbps (introduced with HD), being the more efficient codec, AC3 usually sounds better than DTS at 768Kbps. DTS at 1536Kbps is king, of course, transparent, dynamic, precise -> if DTS, then 1536Kbps, please.

[BlackKnight]

WiKi do a pretty good job, too. No problem with colours and such, but I haven't seen that many of their releases yet. DON and PerfectionHD are other groups that release pretty good stuff.

if you want to see more releases from WiKi, you should join HDChina. It's where that group comes from and that's why WiKi isn't so popular.

[saulin]

Yep I grabbed a few wiki releases from HDChina. Nice quality and a lot of their releases are free leech. I preffer wiki over any other group ATM.

[VinX]

REFiNED and EuReKA

[iLOVENZB]

Another thing is that when people say a p2p group, it just means that they are non-scene and use a peer-to-peer method. Most of the these groups are on private HD torrent sites or members of usenet groups. Both of these are dedicated to quality and that is why I see their rips as an extra seal of assurance.

If you mean p2p as in grabbing something from thepiratebay or mininova, there certainly wouldn't be the same commitment to quality.

/rant

"KingBen(666)" is as public as you can get. Originally from Kingdom-KvCD (Public torrent forum) he started with releasing KvCD, he then went on fixing scene releases :frusty:. Need I mention aXXo or FXG? :shutup:


REFiNED and EuReKA

Why?

[shipwreck]

if you want to see more releases from WiKi, you should join HDChina. It's where that group comes from and that's why WiKi isn't so popular.

I know that, thanks. I actually joined HDChina a short while ago because of this (great not to understand a single word on a tracker btw., gives it that special 'exotic' feeling. Can't beat not understanding the rules at all, yet trying to follow them...in a a way...). Since I haven't been there for long, I haven't seen many of their releases so far, but what I have seen is pretty good. :)

[nesiro]

EuReKA and WiKi is good

[shipwreck]

WiKi is actually pretty darn good. Checked a few more of their releases now, and those guys know how to encode for sure. They should be in the list at least, would deserve it more than a few of the others listed.

[brento]

ESiR, because my HDTV is 720p

[saulin]

WiKi is actually pretty darn good. Checked a few more of their releases now, and those guys know how to encode for sure. They should be in the list at least, would deserve it more than a few of the others listed.


Like I said. Wiki is my favorite so far. I like it better than ESiR. I haven't checked out EuReKA's releases yet because they are big and they are mostly 1080p but I would think that if they are that big they must be as good or close to Wiki's quality as well.

[shipwreck]

Eureka releases usually are very good, and not all of them are huge. For compatibility reasons, they are my favourite 1080p group, as explained earlier. Just an example: ESiRs 1080p Blu-Ray rip of Transformers, which isn't exactly small either (around 12.5GB), will not play back properly on hardware players, due to the relatively high number of reference frames used. Eureka's release (the repack, of course) is around 14.5GB, but probably the very best rip of that movie I have seen so far. Like all Eureka releases, it will play back on hardware players with no problems whatsoever, and the quality is excellent.

WiKi definitely release some good stuff indeed. Their Iron Man 1080p Blu-Ray rip is very very good, for example, and their 720p rips are excellent also, at least the ones I have seen so far.

P.S.: Before you mention it: those 'popcorn' movies, Iron Man, Transformers and such, are probably the best choices for comparing encodes. Not only are they action packed, with a lot of fast action scenes etc., the Blu-Ray source usually is of excellent quality also, both video and audio quality wise.

[shipwreck]

All hail China! Seriously, the chinese HD groups, P2P in particular, need to get more attention and props! Just checked the samples of both 1080p rips of Benjamin Button, done by CHD and HDS, and they both are excellent! No comparison to the (undersized, crappy audio, or both) scene crap released so far.

[callme]

esir for me

[Benjamin]

I always liked Esir rips as well.

[wevotedno]

Esir-eureka-wiki-cinefile

[TonyMontana86]

hmm, hard to tell:shutup:

[pffm]

esir, ctrlhd, sinners and eureka ofc.

[shipwreck]

Recent example of a good scene rip for a change:

Valkyrie.720p.BluRay.x264-REFiNED

two hours, 6.55GB, ~6300 Kbps video, 1.509 Kbps DTS audio

REFiNED are one of the better scene HD groups, their crap ratio is rather low. It's a decent movie that deserves a good rip.

[drew]

REFiNED and SiNNERS are great in my opinion. They release lots of great films and you can trust that it will be high quality.

[shipwreck]

I agree. SiNNERS have done some pretty good 720p rips in particular, and like I said, REFiNED are very reliable, too.

[cabbar]

In my opinion, ESiR, EuReKA and CtrlHD :)

[shipwreck]

1080p rip is once again 'oversized' (8.75GB, 2h movie)), just like REFiNED did with Quantum of Solace, as discussed earlier in this thread. Nice to see that some scene groups do not meticulously stick to the 'size rules', which often don't make any sense.

[0riGiNaLBoX]

ESiR and CtrlHD and another New Group is Great to his name Z@x cause I get more Rips From them and it's Like the best For me ATM

[STAGUY]

Yes Z@X team have done pretty work lately and their encodes are great hope they expand their releases more than just being in Bit-HDTV

[X1X]

ESiR is the best out there

[raid0rr]

I think ESiR and maybe DON are the best!

[xantra]

As said above, HDBITS internal groups FTW~~!! :)

[ryan20021982]

ESiR and CtrlHD and another New Group is Great to his name Z@x cause I get more Rips From them and it's Like the best For me ATM


Yes Z@X team have done pretty work lately and their encodes are great hope they expand their releases more than just being in Bit-HDTV

Thanks guys :cool:

[VinX]

u r welcome ryan :)

[shipwreck]

Can't say anything about Z@X, since I haven't watched any of their releases yet. But the more WiKi releases I watch, the more I like this group. Great encodes for sure.

The only 'critique', if you can actually call it that, I have is that they never seem to integrate subtitles in their releases. While this good in a way (I don't understand Chinese, hence I don't need Chinese subs), some of the foreign language movies could do with Englih subs at least, especially when they are not provided externally (usually, they are though). IMHO, all releases, no matter where from, and no matter what language the film has, should have English subs integrated at least, other languages optionally.

[iLOVENZB]

IMHO, all releases, no matter where from, and no matter what language the film has, should have English subs integrated at least, other languages optionally.

I totally agree.

I don't know why groups don't include them? I know for a fact that CULTHD do include them and are very proud of it too :mellow:.

[ryan20021982]

Ya I totally agree we always have english for sure and try to find as many others as we can. It does take time to get em all synced right if you cant find ones already synced but it makes the release that much better if you include subs. I personally have subs turned off on my mediacenter but I still feel they should be there as an option.

[TranceMaster6003]

ESiR and Eureka

[lishpin]

Eureka, ESiR, DON, CtrlHD.

Downloaded TCCoBB from Z@X, it was great quality as well.

[pokekevin]

WiKi just released Valkyrie ...im impressed by the time!

[shipwreck]

Hmm? The scene rip by REFiNED has been out for a few days already, and it's not too shabby, as discussed earlier in the thread.

P.S.: It seems like the WiKi guys actually followed the discussion on here. They have integrated English subtitles, amongst others, in the release. Great going! :)

[XxFoRMxX]

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[unknownman]

Clearly FoRM wins here. We do transparent 1080p and 720p encodes on HD-Torrents.org

+1 Hd-torrents.org are super!

[saulin]

Clearly FoRM wins here. We do transparent 1080p and 720p encodes on HD-Torrents.org

Can you post some samples somewhere so I can check them out? I never heard of FoRM before, and like I said. I haven't found anything better than wiki's releases yet. Most of their releases are better than the other groups.

[shipwreck]

Since I'm not on HDBits.org unfortunately, I haven't seen that many 1080p rips by the HDBits groups, around 10-15 of each. But from my limited experience, I have to say that I prefer CtrlHD over ESiR for 1080p (ESiR remain my favourite 720p group, together with WiKi). Both are great groups, no doubt, but I have yet to see a CtrlHD 1080p rip that doesn't work well with hardware players, in contrast to a few ESiR rips, as mentioned earlier.

Recent example of a quality CtrlHD rip: Valkyrie.2008.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264-CtrlHD

Level 4.1 12Mbps x264 video, DTS 1.5Mbps audio, two (!) commentary audio streams (.ogg), English subtitles integrated.

Picture and sound quality are excellent, obviously. The only thing missing to perfection are chapters, which the .mkv container supports. The (good) REFiNED rip discussed earlier in this thread for example had chapters, quite a few other REFiNED rips had chapters, too, if I remember correctly.

Alright, and maybe low-bitrate AC3 instead of .ogg (commentary streams) for increased compatibility.


P.S.: This thread should be moved back to the Bittorrent section, because it's mainly about p2p (=> Bittorrent) HD groups.

[Delete]

Voted EureKA . I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on DON though !

[iLOVENZB]

P.S.: This thread should be moved back to the Bittorrent section, because it's mainly about p2p (=> Bittorrent) HD groups.

Ehh it's not about the BitTorrent protocol though :pinch:.

[sw388]

eureka ftw

[Moksu]

ESiR

[beansis]

hd-unit3d

they only do 720p but their work is just amazing, considering the size of the files

[aik82]

ESiR

[charliebitme]

Where's Z@X?Ryan in their team does 1080p,good ones too!=)

[momassalha]

like everyone say esir and majority give u the best answer

[Randy73]

ESiR is the best

[Flipsyde]

I think ESiR is the best for me

[Beck38]

Okay, I've been d/l'ing a whole bunch of stuff the last month+ since I got a PCH box (fooled around with pc-based players, plug-in's, and the like for a couple months before that, to varying results), and when I first started looking around was very hyper about sizing (dvd5/9), but slowly have gravitated toward higher sizes/bitrate, DTS + multiple audio commentary tracks, etc.

But of course it's all eating up disc space at a rather atrocious rate! 5/1.5TB drives already chuck full of 'crud'! I've been trying to get quotes on a unRAID box/system for several weeks, and usually have to explain in depth to the local vendors on what it is, how to build, etc.

The other way to go is a 'standard' RAID5 array, I've got a box with a older Asus MB that will do RAID5 on 6-sata drives, and I'm thinking about that as a lower possibility. But like I noted in another thread here, many x264 encodes are just over DVD9 (or dvd6) sizes, not 'throw caution to the wind' 12-15GB ones.

But most of those in that size range are noticeably superior in picture quality to stuff well below 8GB/DVD9 sizing. The Groups? I've got several examples from lots of them, but I really like the occasional recode that has the multiple audios (commentaries). I really prefer DTS (5.1 or better), but wonder exactly why 'full-rate' 1.5mb/s rather than half-bit-rate 768Kb/s; most commercial std-def DVD's with DTS are at that rate, not the 'full' rate, and even with a top-notch audio system, I'd be hard pressed to ever hear much of a difference between the two. Lot's of bits eaten up there.

Again, from what I can see, not much of a 'standard operating procedure' from any, if at all, of these groups. Maybe I simply haven't tripped over any, but the postings seem to really run the gamut, except for those that 'specialize' in AVCHD aimed at the PS3 crowd.

For the 'best' without regard to much of anything (bit-rate, sizing, etc.) CtlHD, Esir, Cinefile, and occasionally Sinners seem to be okay. But there simply hasn't been enough examples of something were all the groups 'jump' on it, and provide enough of a differentiation between them.

Lots of the 'early' stuff (about a year or so old) seemed to have various audio/video problems. But it can probably be laid at the early software difficulties (DTS dropouts in particular).

And oh, quite a few from 'Don', add me be the 'surprised' that it isn't 'on the group list'.

[Beck38]

A few more thoughts...

I haven't seen any 'marching orders' from any of the people/groups doing any of these postings. The wild swings in sizing/bitrate between them, even in the same 'group' release, tells me it's simply the re-coders 'preference'. Nothing like 'Replica' in the early days of DVD, that toed the line pretty strictly on 3kb/s, although it has been my opinion that 4Kb/s was a more 'reasonable' target.

A couple of the posters seem to put their target at the 10kb/s level, or thereabouts, and it does make a difference, particularly when a/b'ing the result to efforts in the sub-5k region.

I simply haven't seen a really good technical write up of where the 'slippery slope' is on x264 encodes, like there were with mpeg2 (again, in the 'early days' 10 years ago). Part of the problem may be the plethora of really bad mastering/transfer 'efforts' by some/most of the studios, or the companies they hire to do the BR discs themselves.

Of particular note alone these lines is a 'franchise' of inestimable cash cow, is the 'Bond' series (Connery through Moore through...). I was just re-reading some of the BR reviews (both from web sites and 'high-end' mags like 'Widescreen Review'), and taken as a whole, it's simply appalling. Yes, many of these titles are well over 30 years old. Yes, they've already been 'cleaned up' at least one or more times. And so now, you're going to skip that step in a mad race for a quick buck?

I find myself 'falling back' on earlier comments, that the BR 'slope' is following almost precisely the same track as DVD's followed 10 years ago. It's going to take at least another 5 years + until they really 'clean up' their act, both from the film side AND the player side. The fact that here we are over a decade into the BR era, and the almost universally regarded as the 'best' player out there is a GAMING CONSOLE!?!?!?!

Although I was a VERY early adopter in HD/digital display technologies (fed by both up-converted SD DVD's and HD satellite transmissions), I kept waiting for the BR players to get the kinks ironed out. I'm still waiting. That song 'Common Disaster' (Cowboy Junkies?) rattles through my head.

And, here's yet another 'complaint'; why oh why do a LOT of these folks, after going through the trouble of ripping the BR, jumping through the various hoops and machine grinding time, seem to REFUSE to post even a bare minimal nfo...???? Those who consistently refuse to do so.... need a headspace adjustment.

[Delete]

I agree with you Beck38. I wish there was some sort of top quality regulation instead of how the encoder feels at the time . I notice you didn't mention EureKA ...How did you find them? I personally rate DON,EureKA and ESiR as top .It is a shame that it does vary but really there's sod all we can do .

[Vax]

all the HDbits internal groups are top notch. forget scene. its only good for getting things quick. their rls rules are to sloppy for really good quality. if you are about true quality get your stuff from hdbits.

[TheKarateKitt]

As I've not seen any ESiR rips in action I only voted EuReKa and CtrlHD, although from what I hear ESiR is up there as well. For EuReKa, they truly do seem to care about quality as well, but sometimes, IMO, they get carried away, go overboard, and totally disregard file sizes, as some releases tend to get bloated.

[jayrulez26]

Hi Guys,

Care to send me invites from hdbits, biy-hdtv or scenehd? My email address is [email protected]. Will appreciate to those who will send me invites. Thanks!

[cinephilia]

Requesting or offering BitTorrent invites MUST be done in the BitTorrent Invites forum; requests or offers made in other sections will be removed.

[canopus]

new horizont ppl from WIKi

[lozkin]

Hi guys, as someone who has just got a Popcorn Hour and is new to this whole downloading blu-ray rips, I have to say this thread is fantastic - I have just read all 10 pages and its given me an idea of what to look out for in terms of groups, and good standards of audio and bitrates to look for in NFO's

A couple of questions I have

1. Im not a member of any of these HD Tracker sites, so I get my NZB's from various sites (not sure if I can mention them?) One of them splits its Blu Ray into 2 sections - HD Blu Ray which seem to be straight copies of Blu Ray, and HD x264 which Im guessing is what this thread relates to...groups who re-encode blurays to produce smaller files. If that is the case, will the BD25's and BD50's always be of a higher quality than files that have had to be re-encoded??

2. Is there a website which has user reviews of all releases by Rip Groups..reading this thread highlights that whilst there are some great groups who produce high quality consistently, there may be occasions when some movies are released by them which may not be of the same quality, and if there was somewhere on the net where I could read folks like you discussing individual releases, that would help those like me who probably arent sure whats what!

Thanks

ooh, also, I understand that a higher bitrate = higher quality, but can someone explain in simple terms (for idiots like me) why?

[kooltilldend]

how come THORA isn't listed here? i love their anime releases!

[TrollinThunder]

Hi guys, as someone who has just got a Popcorn Hour and is new to this whole downloading blu-ray rips, I have to say this thread is fantastic - I have just read all 10 pages and its given me an idea of what to look out for in terms of groups, and good standards of audio and bitrates to look for in NFO's

A couple of questions I have

1. Im not a member of any of these HD Tracker sites, so I get my NZB's from various sites (not sure if I can mention them?) One of them splits its Blu Ray into 2 sections - HD Blu Ray which seem to be straight copies of Blu Ray, and HD x264 which Im guessing is what this thread relates to...groups who re-encode blurays to produce smaller files. If that is the case, will the BD25's and BD50's always be of a higher quality than files that have had to be re-encoded??

2. Is there a website which has user reviews of all releases by Rip Groups..reading this thread highlights that whilst there are some great groups who produce high quality consistently, there may be occasions when some movies are released by them which may not be of the same quality, and if there was somewhere on the net where I could read folks like you discussing individual releases, that would help those like me who probably arent sure whats what!

Thanks

ooh, also, I understand that a higher bitrate = higher quality, but can someone explain in simple terms (for idiots like me) why?


Welcome.

The bluray discs will be higher quality. The goal of an encode is to shrink the file size while retaining as "transparent" picture quality as possible. Scene groups also have size rules and pre race issues going on, so that means the encodes they release are not as high quality or transparent.

You can mention other nzb sites here, but they have a nice nzb index here too. Head over the Newsgroups forum where all the cool folks hang out.

I've never heard of a website like that. Your best option is to just compare nfos, try a few of the same movies from different groups and get a general idea of which you find to be acceptable or better.

[lozkin]

Thanks for your reply :D

I remember using this site when I used to download avi's & xvids and so on

http://www.vcdq.com/index.php

I think something similar for the Blu Ray community would be helpful!

[Snobben]

Sinners always delliver.:)

[imark]

ESiR

[zonta]

release lounge

[iLOVENZB]

release lounge

Yuk hate them. SecretMyth is worth the extra 0.4GB :D.

They(He) does R5's too and they look amazing. I dont know what filters SecretMyth use but they're incredible.

Also Nhanc3 are alright too.

[spero88]

ESiR is the best out there

[Granero]

ESiR is the best HD encode/Rip group

they always on the top

[Keith90s]

ESiR all the way. <short>

[slau]

No Wiki?

[mengaish]

i think "wiki" is also a good Encode Group.

[havoc88]

I usually grab ESiR rip

[DubDub]

ESiR rips all the way!!

[technodrome]

What do you think about WiKi? I forgot to add it in selections

[fstrulz]

I love ESiR and EuReKa...

But this new internal group FraMesToR from BIT-HDTV is sick. Their Blu-ray rips are topshelf -- very high video quality + HD audio.

[saradayo]

I think ctrlHD

[fstrulz]

What do you think about WiKi? I forgot to add it in selections
WiKi's releases have been as good as CtrlHD's and HiDt's.

[Zac090]

CtrlHD,EuReKA and ESiR

[Violator]

Is it me or have DON and ESiR been quiet of late?!

[th3lolz]

ESiR fo sho

[nanner]

gotta go with esir right now.

[myfile]

Not scene.Not Eureka.

find Yeasayer text (http://abcmuzic.com)

[yuvan]

EuReKA.......

[ahmed200106]

Esir and CiNEFiLE

[Xiomax]

It's a 1080p rip (Quantum.of.Solace.1080p.BluRay.x264-REFiNED). Would have been an even more drastic example if it was a 720p rip, since 106min are anything but a "very long" movie (less than two hours), and 8.74GB for a relatively short 720p rip would have been rather overkill.

Another example: The.Boondock.Saints.1999.1080p.BluRay.x264-CiNEFiLE

108min, 8.74GB

[Speedo]

Maybe I'm subjective but I think FLAWL3SS do a pretty awesome job.

[shaardu]

eureka is the best

[Solariz]

Where is DON?

They may not be the best, but I certainly value their releases

[yuit]

Anybody know anything about EbP? Are they any good? I downloaded a couple of their movies and I'm finding glitches all over the place + english subs are not "default"....

[jiangnan]

CtrlHD,and wiki

[cinephilia]

Maybe I'm subjective but I think FLAWL3SS do a pretty awesome job.
sorry but FLAWL3SS BDRips/BRRips sucks big time.

[IdolEyes787]

I'm sure who ever they are they all do a truly wonderful job of taking the original and not fucking it up as little as possible.:)

[lionz123]

i have used
CtrlHD
EuReKA
ESiR
CiNEFiLE
SiNNERS

and they are really good as i have not yet face any problem with them.

[fileshatra]

CtrlHD

[crespo9]

ctrlHD is the best one in my heart,but some groups are good enough

[kiemcun]

CtrlHD

[Solariz]

CtrlHD is a strange group.

Most of the time their encodes are crisp and clear, but not always. Sometimes they really screw it up!

I watched Antichrist recently, encoded by CtrlHD and the quality was horrible. Largely visible pixels around sharp objects etc. I could have provided some screenshots, but have already deleted it.... The rip was strange. at times the picture shows great details and then it suddenly got blurry..

The scene rip by REFiNED looked much much better...even xvids do

[mariomarian]

ESiR and CtrlHD of course

[Condor]

CtrlHD and ESİR

[CMyCaptain]

REfined

[est]

CHD and SiLU are asian sites?

[anon]

CHD[Bits] is, no idea about the other one.

[mindlock]

Silu is a Chinese encoding group, too, that post on HD-Road, a sister site of HDChina.....

By the way, where the fuck is Wiki at now TorrentGui got shutdown?

[raceIT]

None of these and most definitely NOT any of the Scene groups

IMHO, its down to FLAWL3SS or ViSION

both are p2p groups and do a very good job

[paolotrials]

esir

[theprofessor]

Esir for me, but their high bitrate 720p rips are not always suited for my old laptop.

[cinephilia]

None of these and most definitely NOT any of the Scene groups

IMHO, its down to FLAWL3SS or ViSION

both are p2p groups and do a very good job
well, they're into bdrips/brrips xvid. you can't compare them with the aforementioned groups.

[NETVIRUS]

None of these and most definitely NOT any of the Scene groups

IMHO, its down to FLAWL3SS or ViSION

both are p2p groups and do a very good job

Im agree with you pal

[dalin]

ESiR is good for me

[kmcaj]

most rips I watch are 720p but I like ESiR, SiNNERS, FLAWL3SS - they do many great 720p/DTS/mkv rips, EuReKA, FraMeSToR

[Tvaaker]

Flawl3ss. :)

[mysoogals]

never heard about any of these groups :D but i know aXXo

[Kostas75]

Hello.
How about SECTOR7, SPARKS and Felony? Do you know if they are good?

[greyskull]

SPARKS is very good, I usually get a lot of their releases.

[Curtis685]

ESiR is the best out there

I agree as I have tried a lot and still comeback to this one.

[vincentyo2]

sparks is the best by far

[maxasspayne]

ESiR is the best out there

I agree as I have tried a lot and still comeback to this one.

Concurred. ESiR believes in quality over quantity.

[Migz]

I agree as I have tried a lot and still comeback to this one.

Concurred. ESiR believes in quality over quantity.
Yep ESiR here as well!!!

[fuz9]

I've always been a big fan of Yify

[MikeSmith298]

Sparks and Eureka is really good.

[corpmechfl]

I agree ESir is the best.

[fearsparks]

Sparks!!!

[NuxV]

sparks for me.

[ratbrain]

sparks or amiable seem to publish the most popular and new releases.

[Gizzy]

I have to agree with sparks as well

[jondak]

ESiR imo.

[SirReal69]

I voted EuReKA, ESiR close second.

[Artemis]

I've always been a big fan of Yify

:glag:

Well there had to be one.... So you're a fan of low data rate 2 channel audio rips are you. :blink: