Are you scared?

[Unstable1]

Hi

Seeing as I'm not worthy of posting in the BT Lounge and this topic interests me, I have no choice but to start a thread here for us great unwashed to discuss.

Is anyone else here scared that the world of BT may be coming to an end? With the closure of god knows how many sites all in the space of a few hours, surely the anti-piracy groups will be looking to play the same game in other countries like canada and the EU.

Even though I have only been affected by the possible closure of one Swedish site (SceneHD), I reckon this is how the anti-piracy organisations are going to try to bring down the whole of bittorrent. If the whole of the EU adopts IPRED type laws, it may not be a long time away that bit torrent is brought to it's knees.

I don't mind admitting, I'm worrying a bit. Should I be worried? Are you worried?

[mikeHD]

I predict that there will be nearly apocalyptic effects on the bittorrent world.

I'm not scared because there are other options and there will likely always be ways of downloading what I want.

[maddoxro]

When you will see the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse let us know.

[Bone.W.Machine]

No, I'm not scared.

[Tokeman]

Nope

[cinephilia]

not really.

[pffm]

I'm shaking!

[AkaiDoresu]

im Definitely not scared.

There are some trackers out there that are led by knowledgable and responsible people. They will never go down. Noobs sites are being closed down, not a big deal.

[Lady LoTL]

When you will see the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse let us know.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh210/allothers69/cid_3CFC94BB-11F9-4B92-83B0-A2E8426.gif

No.

[Night0wl]

Not at all.

[AkaiDoresu]

I predict that there will be nearly apocalyptic effects on the bittorrent world.

I'm not scared because there are other options and there will likely always be ways of downloading what I want.

yes apocalyptic - to a noob.

[sake]

I am a little bit scared but not at all. Always will be something like tracker or whatever and we will be able to transfer the wanted data.

P.S. SceneHD is not a small tracker at all.

[Unstable1]

P.S. SceneHD is not a small tracker at all.

And neither was TTi.

[Tokeman]

Even in the worst case senerio, its not like there aren't still countries with internet access that have very little or no internet laws yet. Until all the child porn and crap is completely removed from the net, I'm not worried because control of the internet is an illusion.

[shipwreck]

Not scared personally, and even less concerned that the 'bittorrent world (filesharing in general) is coming to an end'.

While losing all those trackers is definitely not good, even if I'm not affected personally, I'm rather confident that there will be new ones to replace them pretty soon, even in / from Sweden. In the last few months, quite a few really promising trackers have emerged, and I'm looking forward to see their communities grow.

[TheFoX]

Simple fact is, if the authorities cannot stop kiddy porn and other unsavoury sites, what chance have they got stopping file sharing, much of which is legitimate sharing.

[mievmo]

Hell YES !!!

[mooger]

no

[shipwreck]

Hell YES !!!

No offence, but if I lived in Israel, the last thing I'd be scared of would be getting busted for piracy.

[mikeHD]

Simple fact is, if the authorities cannot stop kiddy porn and other unsavoury sites, what chance have they got stopping file sharing, much of which is legitimate sharing.

Presumably, kiddie porn sites are very underground and secretive, whereas even private trackers are easily found on the first page(s) on google.

And to those bashing me for my prediction, I saw these recent events as inevitable too, so if I remember, I'll bump this thread when shit really hits the fan worldwide over the next year or two.

[shipwreck]

Rest assured that I personally won't bump the thread if it doesn't.

[lostdemon]

I'm about as scared as a professional swimmer jumping in a pool.

[Tokeman]

Simple fact is, if the authorities cannot stop kiddy porn and other unsavoury sites, what chance have they got stopping file sharing, much of which is legitimate sharing.

Presumably, kiddie porn sites are very underground and secretive, whereas even private trackers are easily found on the first page(s) on google.

And to those bashing me for my prediction, I saw these recent events as inevitable too, so if I remember, I'll bump this thread when shit really hits the fan worldwide over the next year or two.

What about all those 'naturist' sites. They are not secritive or private, yet show underage girls, and AFAIK it is illegal. There are tons of sites with way more illegal crap then filesharing, and they haven't stopped any of it yet. The internet is still like the wild west.

[Disme]

http://gallery.brawl-hall.com/data/media55636/11/Be_Very_Afraid.jpg

[DarkLured]

I'm not afraid, but I might be worried if a site I care about goes down as things tighten up.

[puckface]

scared of what? the boogeyman?

[Swift]

i will migrate when my sites die

[mikeHD]

Presumably, kiddie porn sites are very underground and secretive, whereas even private trackers are easily found on the first page(s) on google.

And to those bashing me for my prediction, I saw these recent events as inevitable too, so if I remember, I'll bump this thread when shit really hits the fan worldwide over the next year or two.

What about all those 'naturist' sites. They are not secritive or private, yet show underage girls, and AFAIK it is illegal. There are tons of sites with way more illegal crap then filesharing, and they haven't stopped any of it yet. The internet is still like the wild west.

I don't know if it was on Salon or somewhere else, but an article I read a few weeks ago mentioned such sites, which I've never seen myself. I'm pretty sure it mentioned that there used to be magazines like that and many sites at first, but most have been shut down, so I'm guessing that's a pretty fringe activity too and would certainly be illegal in the US and other countries (even a cartoon of Lisa Simpson naked was considered child porn in Australia). I'm sure there are such open public sites, but I wonder where they are hosted and how vulnerable they would appear if a politician or someone suddenly became aware of them and wanted it shut down.

You're right that these things exist, but my point is that they are in a precarious situation existing mainly on the fringe of the internet and legality. Bittorrent has thrust itself to the forefront in the last few years and I think we'll starting to see the effects of becoming so publicized.

It's just important to be aware that what we're doing is or probably could be construed as illegal and that the authorities are well aware of where we're doing it usually. I've read some comments at SceneHD that wondered how the authorities even knew about the place or how they had ever seen the inside. That kind of ignorance is rampant. A lesser form of this ignorance I've seen is the idea that only Kazaa users have really had legal issues, so those noobs are the ones who should worry. That overlooks the fact that the legal system takes a while to catch up to technological trends.

[iLOVENZB]

It's good isn't it? Think about when p2p networks go under threat there will always be security upgrades?

Wasn't TPB going to encrypt the whole of cyber space at one point?

That's commitment! :P

[CaptanAmerica]

yh, im scared that da op cr8ed this topic, noth personal anyhow

[Sylar666]

Scared of cancer, yes, definitely. But not of these sad clowns, lobbygroups, record companies etc. They are just a bunch of retards & morones.

[CaptanAmerica]

Scared of cancer, yes, definitely. But not of these sad clowns, lobbygroups, record companies etc. They are just a bunch of retards & morones.

funniest thing is that they are thinking da same way abt torrent-users. and da diff between em and the ppl who uses torrents is that they can afford buy much moar then u and invent moar moar law, thatll be seemd to ya like a piece of fucking shit

[Stellar]

Scared? No. loling about this GET THE FUCK DOWN AND HIDE IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD mentality people have on here as of late? Yes.

[MiNiMAL]

no :D

[chistensen]

Nop-

[susiserken]

not rly

[McBride]

No, I'm not scared. The piracy can't be stopped.

[spero88]

not really

[susiserken]

not rly

[viltzuh]

Not at all

[saulin]

I discovered BT in 2007. I was fine without it so no, I'm not scared lol.

[TeHShadowZ]

hell no, i'm pissed >:P

[bilbo818]

Nah they'll never stop us.

[stoi]

I am not scared.

Lets just take a step back and see what exactly happened, this is only my POV, but this is the way I see it.

They took TPB to trial.
They already had letters drafted up to send to other trackers in Sweden, should they have won.
Once they won, and while the news was still hot on the press, they proceeded to send those letters out, just to see what would happen.
Low and behold, the tracker owners shit themselves (which i do not blame them one bit tbh), and a mass closure occured.
They are very pleased with what happened, as the threat letters worked a treat.
Not sure what would have happened, if those trackers gave them the finger, but we will never know now.
TPB is still working, the owners are not in prison, maybe a retrial, and if not, at least an appeal to a higher court.
Leecherslair was just co-incedence, Last year, Brokenstones, FTN and numerous others got kicked out of malaysia, so it was only a matter of time really till they kicked another out, it just happened to be when all the crap was going down.

atm its all up in the air, not a lot has actually happened, apart from they chanced their luck, and got very lucky with closing a number of trackers down, but plenty still remain, and new ones will take their place.

so lets just wait and see, but its not the end yet, and i personally dont think it will be the end for a long time to come.

[Demons]

I agree with you stoi, some years ago when they closed some other trackers lots of site owners got scared and closed down.
That´s what they want, to creat fear whithout moving a finger.

[TheFoX]

SuprNova was huge in its day, as was Loki, ET, BT and many others. Trackers close and more open up.

People say that they are scared because four got charged, but quite a few got charged over ET, yet this didn't stop thousands from sharing, even though several got sentenced.

If any punishment was any sort of deterrent, then the first punishment would stop further occurances, but even though the US still has the death penalty in many states, it doesn't stop murder.

If you want to stop piracy, you'd have to wipe out mankind, because copying others is what we do, and how each generation improves upon the last. Put simply, like every other animal on this earth, we mimic each other. You cannot stop evolution.

[Chewie]

Scared of cancer, yes, definitely. But not of these sad clowns, lobbygroups, record companies etc. They are just a bunch of retards & morones.

funniest thing is that they are thinking da same way abt torrent-users. and da diff between em and the ppl who uses torrents is that they can afford buy much moar then u and invent moar moar law, thatll be seemd to ya like a piece of fucking shit
The only thing I fear for, after reading that, is the English language.

[VinX]

Hi

Seeing as I'm not worthy of posting in the BT Lounge and this topic interests me, I have no choice but to start a thread here for us great unwashed to discuss.

Is anyone else here scared that the world of BT may be coming to an end? With the closure of god knows how many sites all in the space of a few hours, surely the anti-piracy groups will be looking to play the same game in other countries like canada and the EU.

Even though I have only been affected by the possible closure of one Swedish site (SceneHD), I reckon this is how the anti-piracy organisations are going to try to bring down the whole of bittorrent. If the whole of the EU adopts IPRED type laws, it may not be a long time away that bit torrent is brought to it's knees.

I don't mind admitting, I'm worrying a bit. Should I be worried? Are you worried?

well if BiTTorrent shuts down then people will have to go back to emule and DC++ and stuff like that ...

[iLOVENZB]

well if BiTTorrent shuts down then people will have to go back to emule and DC++ and stuff like that ...

Trust me BT will never/can't get shutdown. How else are Linux distros meant to share releases? :lol:

Also I doubt IF and I mean ''if' hypothetically that they'll go to other forms of p2p (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-43/t-why-not-switch-usenet-347084):O

[Magnum]

Not really.

[iLOVENZB]

Not really.

What's "not really"? :mellow:

[sake]

Not really.

What's "not really"? :mellow:

Perhaps not really scared :rolleyes::)

[The_Martinator]

I'm not scared, not atm anyway.

Even if BT was coming to an end, some other filesharing method would surface. It always has in the past, as far as I know.

[Gangster-14]

not really

[Iam]

scared... nah i dont give a shit.

[Glitterstep]

very much,!!