why 64 bit is better then 32

[Frankthetank1]

The 32-bit versions of Windows just don't cut it anymore, so when making the switch from XP - or Vista - to Windows 7, make sure you choose 64-bit, it's the new craze and it's becoming surprisingly popular. Best of all, most 32-bit applications will run seamlessly on 64-bit operating systems. Here's all the pros and cons of changing to 64-bit Windows.
You probably skipped the Vista bedlam, unless you were one of the unfortunate ones that had it forced upon you while buying a new system. So no doubt you've heard about Windows 7 and you're likely to join the testing phase (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx) and snatch up your copy of the Release Candidate, hell you might've already done so. And why not too, I mean it doesn't expire until June 2010, so you've got a whole year to use it as a test bed. Well, when you do, make sure you get the 64-bit version, and if you've already got the 32-bit version, now's your chance to swap to 64-bit before you get too deep.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DGzd4qfhz4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.start64.com%2F&feature=player_embedded

[Cabalo]

well, i've been using the Vista x64 version for around 2 years now, and had absolutely any problems at all with it, and i repeat, any.

[100%]

Your reasons why 64 bit is better than 32;
- 32-bit just don't cut it any more
- 64-bit it's the new craze
- 64-bit it's becoming surprisingly popular

You are as reliable as the video.

[Frankthetank1]

Did you even watch the video?

In a nutshell, your computer's processor (or CPU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cpu)) takes in a bunch of instructions given to it by your software and performs some computations on these instructions. During the computation process, it also needs to pull and use information that is stored in memory based on a location (or memory address (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_address)) given to it. A 64-bit CPU simply means that your computer can store and process numbers that are made up of 64 bits, where a bit is simply a 1 or a 0; likewise, a 32-bit CPU can store and process numbers that are made up of 32 bits.

I'm not going to go in depth too much (our good friend Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit) does that quite nicely). Basically, the whole bit thing (8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit) refers to how much data the computer can keep track of, and that's what determines how much memory it can handle. A processor with 32-bit memory addresses can only use 4GB of RAM. A 64-bit system can address 16 exabytes of RAM. Yep, you read that correctly, 16 exabytes. That's 16.8 million terabytes, or 17.2 billion gigabytes.
To put this in perspective, in the days when 4 MB of main memory was commonplace, the maximum memory ceiling was about 1,000 times larger than typical memory configurations. Today, when over 2 GB of main memory is common, the ceiling is about ten trillion times larger. That is to say, there is no ceiling (just like there was no spoon in The Matrix). It sent shivers down my spine when I found that out, imagine a computer with that amount of RAM, there'd be no need to teach maths in schools. So, what we really need to do is crack the whip on those lazy software designers who haven't made their stuff into 64-bit yet. Adobe, are you listening?
If you don't already have 4GB of RAM then you should probably buy a few extra gigabytes anyway. RAM is so cheap right now; I've just got a 4GB set for £40 from Novatech (http://www.novatech.co.uk/) and the extra boost has such a large impact on the speed of my machine. The biggest issues and the thing everyone is a little sketchy about, is hardware: if a gadget doesn't have 64-bit drivers, it won't work with your 64-bit operating system. Most things should be okay but if you use legacy stuff, you might want to hold back for a while and should always double check just to be safe.
Obviously many applications aren't yet available in 64-bit, but the best thing about 64-bit is that it's backwards compatible and most, if not all, 32-bit applications can also run on 64-bit Windows (http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/Help/41531554-d5ef-4f2c-8fb9-149bdc5c8a701033.mspx) (though aren't likely to access more than 4GB of RAM). So if you've got a 64-bit processor and 4GB of RAM, running 64-bit is a definite. Hopefully articles like this will push people and developers to support 64-bit more and more, so you won't be alone for long. The benefits of an abundance of RAM, with all the crap you're probably running right now, are just too good to miss.

[UnGodly]

Well, when you do, make sure you get the 64-bit version
This makes no sense if you don't have a 64bit processor

[Frankthetank1]

Why wouldn't you get the 64 bit version of windows 7, if you have the 64bit processor?

[SPY]

How will work a 64 bit version of windows on 32bit processor ? :lol:

[Cabalo]

it won't install at all.

[Frankthetank1]

Why wouldn't it install?

http://forums.techguy.org/hardware/578398-using-64-bit-processor-32-a.html

[Cabalo]

auto-detection...

[mbucari1]

Why wouldn't it install?

http://forums.techguy.org/hardware/578398-using-64-bit-processor-32-a.html
Yeah, all new processors are 64-bit, but you can still run 32-bit apps on them with zero problems.

[Frankthetank1]

And also 32 bit OS. if you read that link i posted from techguy.org

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"I've run pretty much nothing but 32-bit XP Pro on my Athlon64 system since I got it. I tried the "evaluation" version 64-bit XP when it was first released, but too much stuff simply didn't work - the ATI Multimedia Center software, for example, wouldn't run with the All-in-Wonder tuner card. The bundled drivers worked and I could watch and control TV in other apps, but ATI's MMC package wouldn't run properly.

You likely won't see any huge benefit from a 64-bit chip even with a 64-bit Windows, unless you're using software that's designed to take full advantage of the parallel processing capabilities."

[Cabalo]

Why wouldn't it install?

http://forums.techguy.org/hardware/578398-using-64-bit-processor-32-a.html
Yeah, all new processors are 64-bit, but you can still run 32-bit apps on them with zero problems.
the question is the opposite, install 64-bit on a 32-bit cpu. :rolleyes:

[Frankthetank1]

oooh, well i think that is obvious

[mbucari1]

Yeah, all new processors are 64-bit, but you can still run 32-bit apps on them with zero problems.
the question is the opposite, install 64-bit on a 32-bit cpu. :rolleyes:

yeah, but that's the question addressed in the link he posted.

Also, is it just me or is this guy being an ungrateful ass?


oooh, well i think that is obvious

[peat moss]

I'v held back only because some programs , games don't play nice with XP 64 bit . I'd love to see my Dual Quad core fly with 64 bit and 8 gb of memory .


I'm holding out for Win 7 RTM then I'll take the plunge , with my other OC memory I'm waiting to install .


Here's why , look at the price of this shit :

http://www.alinx.ca/displayproducts1.asp?do=go&subname=240%20pin%20DDRII&subid=19&name=Memory&id=11


Sorry guys last week the OCZ Gold 4 gb was $65. 00 CND don't know why the link say O ?

[saulin]

Well because 32-bit only reads up to 3GB of memory. The thing that I noticed with x64 is that very few applications are actually designed for 64-bit. But try running any OS wth 8 Gigs of RAM. Everything is so damn quick but you need 64-bit for this.

[Frankthetank1]

huh? how am I ungrateful. I am just trying to help with info.. The person who did the video did sound a little obnoxious if that's what your trying to get at.


Also regarding apps & drivers that support 64 bit. Here is some more info that just came out yesterday.


Over the past two years, I’ve spoken to millions of people (okay, so maybe I’m exaggerating on the number) about application and driver support for 64 bit Operating Systems. Back in the days of Windows XP, I know there were very few devices that worked well on 64 bit. With Windows Vista, the number of applications and devices shot up dramatically. When I look at the processors that have been sold over the last two years, I don’t really see any that don’t have 64 bit capabilities. In fact, almost every new computer being sold is at least a dual core x64 bit capable machine.
Given this information, one would think that the software vendors and hardware vendors out there would be writing 64 bit versions of their applications and creating 64 bit drivers for their hardware devices. Unfortunately, I’m not finding this to be the case. Why is this an issue for me? I finally decided to go with 64 bit on my production machines (both work and home) and it is so frustrating when applications or hardware devices no longer work. Most 32 bit applications will install fine and work in a 64 bit OS but some refuse to install. One of the great hardware devices I got attached to was my Neat mobile scanner. It worked just fine under 32 bit Vista and even 32 bit Windows 7. However, there are no drivers for 64 bit Vista and according to the companies website, it doesn’t look like they plan on creating one either. Sony fell into this category as well until April of this year. Their Picture Motion Browser software would not work on a 64 bit OS (in fact it would blue screen my machine) and it didn’t sound like they had any plans to support it. Thank goodness, Sony came around and posted an update on April to support the tool on 64 bit Vista (and works fine on 64 bit Windows 7).
I can totally understand everyone’s frustration around this issue – especially since I’m personally affected by it as well. I sure hope companies take a hard look at the trends and reality of what’s happening in the computer industry and start supporting 64 bit Operating Systems sooner versus later!


http://blogs.technet.com/haroldwong/archive/2009/05/26/64-bit-applications-and-drivers.aspx






the question is the opposite, install 64-bit on a 32-bit cpu. :rolleyes:

yeah, but that's the question addressed in the link he posted.

Also, is it just me or is this guy being an ungrateful ass?


oooh, well i think that is obvious

[Snarkyone]

One thing that is not mentioned is the fact that 99.999% of the average computer users have no use at all for 64 bit OS, they just don't need the processing power to chat online or to do the majority of functions that people have a home pc for. The 64 bit apps have almost always been the domain of engineering and other industries that require heavy processing power. In short most users have as much need for 64 bit Windows 7 as they do for an extra hole in their head. That's not to say that they could not see any benefit, but for the most part it will just be overkill and not even noticed by the user.

[saulin]

One thing that is not mentioned is the fact that 99.999% of the average computer users have no use at all for 64 bit OS, they just don't need the processing power to chat online or to do the majority of functions that people have a home pc for. The 64 bit apps have almost always been the domain of engineering and other industries that require heavy processing power. In short most users have as much need for 64 bit Windows 7 as they do for an extra hole in their head. That's not to say that they could not see any benefit, but for the most part it will just be overkill and not even noticed by the user.


Actually just being able to use more RAM is totally worth having a 64-bit OS. As for applications well there are a lot of apps that are still just 32-bit. You are right very few actually take advantage of the processor.

I went 64-bit because I had more RAM than what my 32-bit OS can read. What a difference going from 2.75GB to 6 Gigs of RAM.

[VinX]

How will work a 64 bit version of windows on 32bit processor ? :lol:

Thanks for the joke of the day !

tbh , i didnt watch the youtube vid yet , but personally i think that my applications in windows XP (32 bit) run some milliseconds slower than in my Windows 7 (64 bit) and also , if u have 64 bit OS , games , apps and stuff that require eg.100% RAM requires 150% RAM in 64 bit OS

[Cabalo]

How will work a 64 bit version of windows on 32bit processor ? :lol:

Thanks for the joke of the day !

tbh , i didnt watch the youtube vid yet , but personally i think that my applications in windows XP (32 bit) run some milliseconds slower than in my Windows 7 (64 bit) and also , if u have 64 bit OS , games , apps and stuff that require eg.100% RAM requires 150% RAM in 64 bit OS
:noes: that's so wrong, ffs.

[Frankthetank1]

But thinking and actually knowing are two different things. Thank god, because you couldn't be any further from the truth.



How will work a 64 bit version of windows on 32bit processor ? :lol:

Thanks for the joke of the day !

tbh , i didnt watch the youtube vid yet , but personally i think that my applications in windows XP (32 bit) run some milliseconds slower than in my Windows 7 (64 bit) and also , if u have 64 bit OS , games , apps and stuff that require eg.100% RAM requires 150% RAM in 64 bit OS