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dudevenezuela
09-27-2003, 02:47 AM
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By Pascal Fletcher

CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez accused the United States on Wednesday of harboring "terrorists" plotting to kill him and told the U.S. and Spanish governments to stop meddling in his country's affairs.

The left-wing populist president has clashed with Washington over many issues, including the U.S. occupation of Iraq (news - web sites), but this was his most virulent attack so far against the country that is the leading buyer of Venezuela's oil.

In a rambling, raging speech to women supporters in Caracas, the former paratrooper also dismissed United Nations (news - web sites) meetings as a "dialogue of the deaf" and said it was not worth speaking at the international body.


He railed against opponents at home and critics within the Roman Catholic Church and accused the U.S. television network CNN of lying in its reports about Venezuela, the world's No. 5 oil exporter.


Chavez, who faces a possible referendum on his rule sought by domestic foes, said he canceled a planned visit to the United Nations and the United States this week because his government had received information about a plot to kill him while he was there.


"I have no conclusive proof to accuse anyone," he said.

But he immediately added that "coup-mongering, terrorist Venezuelans" who had taken part in a failed coup against him last year were plotting and training in the United States.

He said he had informed U.S. authorities.

"If they (the U.S. authorities) are really fighting terrorism as they say, they should act against these terrorists who are threatening Venezuela," Chavez said.

As the possibility of a referendum against him grows, the Venezuelan leader has lashed out in recent weeks against the United States, accusing the CIA (news - web sites) of taking part in the April, 2002 coup that briefly toppled him. Washington denies this.

Critics say the Venezuelan leader, a friend and ally of Cuba's President Fidel Castro (news - web sites), is adopting an aggressively nationalistic, anti-U.S. stance to try to deflect the pressure for a vote on his rule.

"NOT A COLONY"

Chavez, elected in 1998, has repeatedly accused Bush administration officials of poking their noses in Venezuelan affairs. "What happens in Venezuela has nothing to do with Mr. Bush's government," he said.

He repeated strong criticism of the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq, saying Washington had no right to "bomb cities, invade countries and overthrow governments."

Chavez also took aim at Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar. He was apparently responding to a Colombian magazine article published this week in which Aznar urged Chavez not to follow the example of communist Cuba.

"Does he think we're still a colony? ... The Spanish empire was thrown out of here almost 200 years ago, Aznar," Chavez shouted.

Even the United Nations, which the Venezuelan leader has addressed several times, did not escape a tongue-lashing.


"It's not worth speaking at the U.N., speech after speech, and you see people falling asleep. ... It's a dialogue of the deaf," said Chavez. (Additional reporting by Tomas Sarmiento and Magdalena Morales)

Billy_Dean
09-27-2003, 11:15 AM
Good on him! It's about time the CIA stopped meddling in that country. The truth is, of course, they won't, two reasons; "left wing" and "oil"

VIVA CHAVEZ! :ph34r:


:)

dudevenezuela
09-29-2003, 05:54 PM
Billy_Dean Posted on 27 September 2003 - 11:15
  Good on him! It's about time the CIA stopped meddling in that country. The truth is, of course, they won't, two reasons; "left wing" and "oil"

VIVA CHAVEZ! 



Wtf i guess you have no idea what he's doing !!!

leonidas
09-29-2003, 07:05 PM
I personaly don't know about chavez political acts and ideas, but I know that anyway Venezuela has to fear USA.

USA have already made of columbia their colony:
Each times, a democratic elected left-wing president wanted to nationalyse usa's private compagnies implanted in columbia he has been killed by the regular army (in front of a crowd of people) , Or kidnapped (Y eso todos los columbianos lo saben).

Since these events the omerta rules people minds, and it 's dangerous to live in columbia and say you like the left wing.

leonidas
09-29-2003, 07:09 PM
http://mipagina.cantv.net/eleccionesya/chdolor.jpg

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ilw
09-29-2003, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by dudevenezuela@29 September 2003 - 18:54

Billy_Dean Posted on 27 September 2003 - 11:15
Good on him! It's about time the CIA stopped meddling in that country. The truth is, of course, they won't, two reasons; "left wing" and "oil"

VIVA CHAVEZ!



Wtf i guess you have no idea what he's doing !!!
Thats never stopped him before http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/no.gif

MediaSlayer
09-29-2003, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by ilw+29 September 2003 - 19:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ilw @ 29 September 2003 - 19:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dudevenezuela@29 September 2003 - 18:54

Billy_Dean Posted on 27 September 2003 - 11:15
Good on him&#33; It&#39;s about time the CIA stopped meddling in that country. The truth is, of course, they won&#39;t, two reasons; "left wing" and "oil"

VIVA CHAVEZ&#33;



Wtf i guess you have no idea what he&#39;s doing &#33;&#33;&#33;
Thats never stopped him before http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/no.gif [/b][/quote]
:lol:

Billy_Dean
09-30-2003, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by ilw+30 September 2003 - 04:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ilw @ 30 September 2003 - 04:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dudevenezuela@29 September 2003 - 18:54

Billy_Dean Posted on 27 September 2003 - 11:15
Good on him&#33; It&#39;s about time the CIA stopped meddling in that country. The truth is, of course, they won&#39;t, two reasons; "left wing" and "oil"

VIVA CHAVEZ&#33;



Wtf i guess you have no idea what he&#39;s doing &#33;&#33;&#33;
Thats never stopped him before http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/no.gif [/b][/quote]
So give us one of your famous "skim over" reports on the history of Venezuela.


:)

dudevenezuela
10-16-2003, 11:57 PM
Venezuela Sets Nov. 28 Date for Referendum Petition
Wed Oct 15, 7:19 PM ET Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo&#33;


By Pascal Fletcher

CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - Venezuela&#39;s electoral authorities on Wednesday scheduled a four-day period from Nov 28 to Dec 1 for opponents of leftist President Hugo Chavez to collect signatures to seek a referendum on his rule.

Opposition leaders criticized the date set by the National Electoral Council as far later than they had wanted.

But they reluctantly accepted the timetable, saying it meant the recall referendum could be held at end-March, 2004.

"Despite the fact that time is being stolen from us with this date, we&#39;ll still be holding a recall referendum well before August," Antonio Ledezma of the opposition Coordinadora Democratica coalition told reporters, referring to an effective deadline for a referendum that could oust the Chavez government.

"Many people might say they&#39;re not the dates we all wanted ... (but) we&#39;re going to accept the challenge," another opposition leader, Enrique Mendoza, said.

Under Venezuela&#39;s constitution, the opposition needs to collect a minimum of 2.4 million pro-referendum signatures to be able to go ahead with their bid to vote populist Chavez out of office in the world&#39;s No. 5 oil exporter.

Foes of Chavez say his self-styled "revolution" is dragging oil-rich Venezuela toward economic ruin and Cuba-style communism. Electoral authorities rejected as flawed an earlier opposition referendum petition last month.

Opposition leaders had asked to hold a fresh signature collection campaign in late October or early November.

They have accused pro-Chavez members of the National Electoral Council of delaying decisions and stringing out the referendum timetable as part of a calculated strategy by the president to obstruct the vote.

Opposition spokesmen warned that hold-ups in the referendum process could rekindle political tensions in Venezuela, where supporters and foes of the president have fought a bitter and often violent political feud for nearly two years.

"The referendum is the valve that releases steam so that this pressure-cooker won&#39;t explode. If you block the valve, then it&#39;s going to blow," Coordinadora Democratica spokesman Jesus Torrealba told Reuters.

Chavez, a former paratrooper who was elected in 1998 and survived a brief coup last year, has made clear he intends to resist the referendum bid by challenging it with a barrage of political and legal maneuvers.

The National Electoral Council, where pro-Chavez members have a numerical advantage, allotted a separate four-day period, Nov 21-24, for government supporters to collect signatures for referendums they have requested against opposition state governors, deputies and mayors.

Opposition leaders have criticized this government-backed parallel poll initiative as an attempt to obstruct and derail their own referendum challenge against the president.

Billy_Dean
10-17-2003, 08:45 AM
There are many sides to this story, if you Google "Hugo Chavez forum" you can find stories from Venezuelans living through what&#39;s happenning.

Plenty of articles too.

South America&#39;s Emerging Role (http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/analysis/2003/0420southamerica.htm)

Hugo Chavez&#39;s Campaign To Block His Recall (http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981019/posts)

The picture here is far more complex than poking sticks at Chavez.


:)

blackhatknight
10-17-2003, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Billy_Dean@27 September 2003 - 11:15
they won&#39;t, two reasons; "left wing" and "oil"


No one probably cares and here&#39;s a link if you are seriously interested http://www.systemics.com/docs/ricardo/principles.html but all these wars over oil (or that could be argued are over oil) really are pointless and this was proved years ago by David Ricardo who notably came under so much criticism he even doubted his own work.

Comparitive advantage (the subject matter of beautiful mind and the brian child of Ricardo) would dictate that it is not a matter of seizing there oil it is a matter of internally restructuring ones country to allow exports of a commidity it is at the greatest advantage of producing to allow an equality of trade between, lets say oil rich countries.

My point is economics is never a reason for war, yet I feel it probably has fuelled as many wars as religion and politics and i&#39;m trying to highlight the narrow mindness of many of our governments in the west (if anyone is interested, lol)