Longer NZB retention on FST?

[zot]

Many usenet providers currently offer close to 300 days retention, and increasing daily to 365-400 days retention.

But FileSharingTalk's NZBs get deleted after only 70 or 75 days.

Would it be possible for FST to increase its NZB 'retention'?

[SonsOfLiberty]

I've wondered the same thing, ya'll need to ask the Tesco....but if I find one that's out of the limit, I just search it in Binsearch, but since the new NZB system got implemented, you can't download any of the NZB's older than a month anyway.

[zot]

I've been hopeful that the dreaded "Invalid nzb specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" error message that occurs whenever trying to grab a 30+ day old NZB will be fixed and those NZBs will return.

But it seems that FST's 75-day NZB 'retention' was established back when NNTP server retention was also around 75 days, and it's just never kept up with the usenet provider retention increases since then. Maybe there was a logical reason for that (database size limititaion, search engine load, etc.) - I don't know.

[RealitY]

Its simply been chosen to keep it that way. With all the search engines it should be simple find things...

[Skiz]

Obviously someone chose to keep it that way. The question was if it could be made longer, if not, why.

As far as I remember, it has been a matter of space (read - lack of) to hold such an abundance of files.

[Hairbautt]

As far as I remember, it has been a matter of space (read - lack of) to hold such an abundance of files.
I think I remember that too so I'm pretty sure that is the reason.

But now with user albums... :unsure: Is it too much to ask? NZBs > albums

[SonsOfLiberty]

Obviously someone chose to keep it that way. The question was if it could be made longer, if not, why.

As far as I remember, it has been a matter of space (read - lack of) to hold such an abundance of files.

Not anymore, Tesco said the way the system is setup it does not store the NZB anymore. So the lack of space is non essential now, which I guess my point is that space is not a concern.

The reason you cannot grab anything older than 30 days is because the way the new NZB system was placed in, anything older than 30 days is no longer valid due to the new system. So technically we should close all NZB posts over 30 days and repost them.

[Skiz]

I'm not exactly sure what the current retention is here, but it's definitely more than 30 days. It looks closer to 40.

[tesco]

I'm not exactly sure what the current retention is here, but it's definitely more than 30 days. It looks closer to 40.
It used to be 75 but we lost all the older stuff when I converted to the new system.
It would take a while to convert the older files and not really worthwhile. Anything that people want can be found on binsearch. :)

[Hairbautt]

binsearch has alot of junk in the searches tho'

[SonsOfLiberty]

All of them do, but one will say Watchmen DVDSCr = 1.4gb and the other 25 will say 1.4kb or 50kb or 20mb or xxx....you get teh picture.

[zot]

The really tricky part is when trying to find small software applications on Binsearch. There might be a few legitimate releases buried with hundreds of virus-laden trojans of the same name. Although most of the file spews are obvious fakes, a few trojans are pretty good forgeries, complete with (stolen) NFO and file ID's -- but packing an infected keygen or crack.

I long ago gave up downloading most softare apps from raw usenet. Unless the release came from a trusted source, it's just too risky due to all the virus pollution and its often hardly worth the trouble weeding through it all.

[SonsOfLiberty]

Like I said, check a predb....and check the file sizes and add about 1-100mb depending on PAR size. Most scene releases are very easy to spot in binsearch, but I have no reason either to download soft from Usenet when I have VDOWN :) There's always Warez BB too.

[simate]

I'm not exactly sure what the current retention is here, but it's definitely more than 30 days. It looks closer to 40.
It used to be 75 but we lost all the older stuff when I converted to the new system.
It would take a while to convert the older files and not really worthwhile. Anything that people want can be found on binsearch. :)

Doesn't that kind of defeat the idea of this site though?...well, the newsgroups part of it anyway.

[tesco]

Why are you complaining about something that happened 2 months ago?
The content that was deleted would (by now) be deleted because of our level of retention anyway...

[SonsOfLiberty]

I see where's he's coming from Tesco, more than likely some people don't know about search engines, so they will just move on to another site for their NZB's. Almost all sites now-a-days have close to 400 day retention, I'm not saying we should, but like ya said wink wink :) Also, on binsearch or any other search engine, most scene groups tag them sol-fstrock (eg movie name would be FST Rocks 2009 VHSRip WMV-SOL), but if you searched eg, the fancy title, nothing would come up, but some would, it's hit and miss, it all depnds on would uploads it.

[simate]

Why are you complaining about something that happened 2 months ago?
The content that was deleted would (by now) be deleted because of our level of retention anyway...

I'm not complaining, I've never been active in this section so had a nose around last night. This site is great, I come on here several times virtually every day. I was just saying that if after 40 days or whatever it is using Binsearch or Newzleech kind of defeats the idea.

I do miss the odd thing here and there so have no choice but to look elsewhere for a relatively new release because the NZB in no longer active, after all, 40 days is a very, very short retention time in the NG world.

Keep up the great work. No complaints here, just saying my bit. :)

[Skiz]

Doesn't that kind of defeat the idea of this site though?...well, the newsgroups part of it anyway.

For some it maybe, but not for me.

I'm on the board almost daily as it is, so it's an easy stop to grab up my daily TV shows and whatnot. 90% of what I download is 0-day content, and the posters here do a fine job of keeping that content up to date. Plus, uploads here get a bit of feedback and you can always read comments on games, leaked movies, etc to see if cracks work, movie quality, etc... If I need something a bit older, I can always look to search engines.

[SonsOfLiberty]

Or just ask me and I'll re-post it, cough :lol:

[Beck38]

There's probably (uh, quite definitely) more than one train of thought on this.

These days, the cost of maintaining tons of nzb's (as an example) is, or should be, extremely low cost, but it is something (i.e., not 'free').

But the big reason for the listing on a site like this is user feedback; is the post 'good', does the nfo accurately reflect what it actually is, and I wasting my time/bits, etc. Yep, the nzb can be easily gotten on the myriad of nzb sites (Binsearch, which is small/lite/easy to use has been mentioned, and I use it all the time), and I actually use it when the 'big' sites like newzbin 'screw the pooch' on their listing.

Perhaps even if the nzb has been 'deleted' as part of routine cleaning, if one has the basic file listing, it can be got on any of the 'larger' sites. But again, it comes back to user feedback. That's where the 'community' really helps out.

[simate]

There's probably (uh, quite definitely) more than one train of thought on this.

These days, the cost of maintaining tons of nzb's (as an example) is, or should be, extremely low cost, but it is something (i.e., not 'free').

But the big reason for the listing on a site like this is user feedback; is the post 'good', does the nfo accurately reflect what it actually is, and I wasting my time/bits, etc. Yep, the nzb can be easily gotten on the myriad of nzb sites (Binsearch, which is small/lite/easy to use has been mentioned, and I use it all the time), and I actually use it when the 'big' sites like newzbin 'screw the pooch' on their listing.

Perhaps even if the nzb has been 'deleted' as part of routine cleaning, if one has the basic file listing, it can be got on any of the 'larger' sites. But again, it comes back to user feedback. That's where the 'community' really helps out.

Good point there, stupidly not one I had thought of even though I do sometimes post something myself after grabbing a film. Silly me :lol:

[Rart]

Bump for further consideration? I thought SOL said there was a way (or could be a way) to have the NZB's without actually storing them in the server.

I really like the forums cause they're well organized and easy to use, and as mentioned it's easier to get feedback on the files and whether they work well. However the low retention really hurts.

[SonsOfLiberty]

Bump for further consideration? I thought SOL said there was a way (or could be a way) to have the NZB's without actually storing them in the server.

I really like the forums cause they're well organized and easy to use, and as mentioned it's easier to get feedback on the files and whether they work well. However the low retention really hurts.

I think were waiting on the "board" update that is being released.