View Full Version : infiltrated private trackers to avoid?!?!
thishead
06-17-2009, 11:17 AM
anyone know of a list of private trackers that have been infiltrated like TL?
if you have been contacted by your isp for downloading torrents off a private tracker could you post the trackers name or abbreviated name? or a url to an appropriate thread for this info... ive been searching for like an hour but havent found any sites or threads
TIA
susiserken
06-17-2009, 11:29 AM
With torrent invite traders and sellers there could be spies on all trackers :P
The_Martinator
06-17-2009, 11:37 AM
With torrent invite traders and sellers there could be spies on all trackers :P
That's true and people wouldn't know.
But it's pretty simple, really. The harder that it is to get into a certain tracker, the smaller the possibility that's it's been infiltrated. At least that's the general rule.
Louie
06-17-2009, 12:02 PM
With torrent invite traders and sellers there could be spies on all trackers
It's a joke?
At least that's the general rule.
And how did you verified this?
The_Martinator
06-17-2009, 12:20 PM
It's a joke?
At least that's the general rule.
And how did you verified this?
Statistics. Ever heard of it? Some people say they lie, but in general they're good imo.
At least as long as you don't come up with a list of infiltrated trackers, that is.
b3owulf
06-17-2009, 12:38 PM
It's a joke?
No, it's sad reality.
realityhd
06-17-2009, 12:46 PM
I doubt that a comprehensive list will come about from this question. Even if it did, it does not mean that the trackers you choose to use are not infiltrated. I think the best option is to stay as far below the radar as possible, but to always be cognizant of the possibility of infiltration.
While trading is rumored to be the method of choice for infiltration, I am skeptical. If you are a member of a tracker and are a good guy, then what's stopping anyone with some intelligence and diligence from getting into the same tracker?
Suppose it gives credence to the higher level trackers. Food for thought, yes, all zero day trackers are predominantly the same in material, but certainly not for security.
TinkerBell
06-17-2009, 02:34 PM
Can I ask a simple question. Is the only proof that tl was infiltrated is because it's where the file came from that your isp sent you the letter about. Don't people realize that their isp can or may even have the right because of the patriot act to monitor anything you do. I highly doubt it has anything to do with where it came from to an extent. Isp providers could even block access to these known sites. Because of the little rights we have left they can't yet. A tracker is like a bong you can buy one or use it. But when you use it to smoke dope in knowing that's the only thing you can do with it. It makes it illegal. A big problem that people have is that they jump to conclusions. When that conclusion is likely far from the truth. Unless your actually sending encrypted files your far from safe. That's one thing i never have understood why trackers haven't implemented this. I'd like to hear why people think their transfers are safe. Do you think it's safe because the site is ssl encrypted. lol :)
realityhd
06-17-2009, 02:46 PM
The Patriot Act has nothing to do with this. The relevant statute is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). Your ISP is under no obligation to spy on you, they simply notify you when copyright holders or their representatives send them a DMCA notice that they found your IP infringing on a copyrighted work.
About your suggestion, encryption or not, transfers over the bt protocol expose your IP or whatever proxy IP you are using. So if the copyright representatives have access to the site, they would have the same access to the encrypted files and the ability to find what works they represent just as easily as you could, therefore negating any encryption.
TinkerBell
06-17-2009, 02:49 PM
I was using the patriot act as an example. It has no limits to infringing on your privacy and it's legal. I'm sure there are many other ways as you mentioned.
Louie
06-17-2009, 02:59 PM
Statistics. Ever heard of it? Some people say they lie, but in general they're good imo
Oh yeah just remembered every tracker have stats with infiltrated guys on the first page.
susiserken
06-17-2009, 03:15 PM
It's a joke?
You cant buy tons of invites from torrent invite sites and on ebay no?
The_Martinator
06-17-2009, 05:00 PM
Statistics. Ever heard of it? Some people say they lie, but in general they're good imo
Oh yeah just remembered every tracker have stats with infiltrated guys on the first page.
No but you can see the number of members. :frusty:
eldulche
06-17-2009, 05:31 PM
i got a notice from someone when seeding a movie on tl last year... but no troubles with other sites. im still using tl (can't live w/o it but haven't been caught since then)
Hombre
06-17-2009, 06:32 PM
if you are paranoid, then the only tracker u can join is the one you install at your own home. others have people, and people can be spies :P
Louie
06-17-2009, 07:10 PM
No but you can see the number of members.
And how did you sort infiltrated users beside usual ones?by those stats you can say any member its a potential spy,even an admin so it doesent matter too much.
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Originally Posted by Louie View Post
It's a joke?
You cant buy tons of invites from torrent invite sites and on ebay no?
Exactly,i asked if its a joke or not just for curiosity,if that guy really thinks that trade its insecurity.
cinephilia
06-17-2009, 08:55 PM
With torrent invite-givers traders and sellers there could be spies on all trackers :P
/fixed
Its safe to assume that almost all private trackers that have a history of being traded have most likely been infiltrated,the rest is just a matter of case building and timing.If you are that concerned about security then the best thing to do would be to quit BT altogether.RS and MU are growing really fast and i'd highly recommend them as the next best alternative,with tools like jdownloader you don't even have to spend a dime to get smooth downloads but its best you invest in obtaining a lifetime account.
While you ponder on that,its good to keep off big trackers.If you can find a place with ~2,000 max then the better as 10,000 is barely private.
If you can't find one then you should start paying more attention to foreign trackers.Statistically its much easier to find MPAA/RIAA spies on commonly known trackers like say TL and these other english 0day trackers than you would say at LM or iplay or PT hence generally safer to leech from them.
Another option you should look at are non mainstream trackers as they would hardly be a target.The weirder the better,alot of them generally have open signups but for some reason people don't register.What you want is to draw attention away from yourself.
But if you really can't ditch trackers of 100,000 then get yourself behind a VPN or invest in a seedbox.
The_Martinator
06-17-2009, 09:07 PM
And how did you sort infiltrated users beside usual ones?by those stats you can say any member its a potential spy,even an admin so it doesent matter too much.
:blink:
lol, when people invite other people to harder to get into trackers they usually know them better, thus it's harder (not impossible) for the anti-p2p to infiltrate them.
I can't make it more clear than that. Of course that's generalizing. I said that in my first post. It doesn't mean that it's the absolute truth, it's the most likely version of the truth.
Statistics really aren't your thing, eh? Or probability, the sole concept of it?
Rofl...imo it's safe to say that almost all 'private' trackers have been 'infiltrated' these days.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out how the system works. Esp if your getting paid to do so. :ermm:
Louie
06-17-2009, 10:43 PM
lol, when people invite other people to harder to get into trackers they usually know them better
Oh yeah especially the time they flush the toilet and what brand of toilet paper use,a spy always use expensive type.
Statistics really aren't your thing, eh? Or probability, the sole concept of it?
:lol: making a calculation betwen the members and all invites given is far from any statistic,too many uncontrolled variables.
bewareofstf
06-17-2009, 10:45 PM
I joined to let you know that the Amsterdam Politie and interpol have been given the IP addresses of STF users. It started with a few people but now the whole list is being handed over every week. someone who works with or is involved in their IT is doing it to in a deal not to be arested when it all comes down. I was working on the building when i hear this operation talk about track and monitor the ip and check the people that the site and match ip so pass on the word. I use ip mask and spoofing to cover but I stop useing stf just in case.
Good Luck
realityhd
06-17-2009, 11:23 PM
That can't be good. What's STF stand for?
TP635
06-17-2009, 11:30 PM
Re: infiltrated private trackers to avoid?!?!
Don't use tracker if you want to take no risk.
All trackers are infiltrated. THE END.
lysine
06-18-2009, 12:56 AM
people seem to think that anti-p2p company employees are idiots or something. remember, these people have the permission of the copyright owners to transfer their data with no fear of prosecution. they can easily rent a seedbox at ovh or server.lu every month and boost their ratios on sites. they can post ratio proofs just like anyone else, chat on irc, and appear to be genuine filesharers. I'm sure many of them are, especially since that is their job.
you can just as easily blame invite giveaways, as you would blame invite trading and selling as the reason sites are infiltrated.
TP635
06-18-2009, 05:19 AM
people seem to think that anti-p2p company employees are idiots or something. remember, these people have the permission of the copyright owners to transfer their data with no fear of prosecution. they can easily rent a seedbox at ovh or server.lu every month and boost their ratios on sites. they can post ratio proofs just like anyone else, chat on irc, and appear to be genuine filesharers. I'm sure many of them are, especially since that is their job.
you can just as easily blame invite giveaways, as you would blame invite trading and selling as the reason sites are infiltrated.
More than that;they can start a fake tracker.
And I wouldn't be surprise if they are staff of some trackers.
The_Martinator
06-18-2009, 06:21 AM
Oh yeah especially the time they flush the toilet and what brand of toilet paper use,a spy always use expensive type.
Statistics really aren't your thing, eh? Or probability, the sole concept of it?
:lol: making a calculation betwen the members and all invites given is far from any statistic,too many uncontrolled variables.
:ermm:
aproximating?
Raban
06-18-2009, 07:25 AM
Can I ask a simple question. Is the only proof that tl was infiltrated
TL is 100% infiltrated ... its a fact not speculation ... they have various MPAA type orgs on there... it isn't questioned....
TP635
06-18-2009, 07:44 AM
Can I ask a simple question. Is the only proof that tl was infiltrated
TL is 100% infiltrated ... its a fact not speculation ... they have various MPAA type orgs on there... it isn't questioned....
Wow, you mean all the accounts there belong to MPAA/RIAA etc?
thishead
06-18-2009, 09:32 AM
All trackers are infiltrated. THE END.
wow lots of speculation...
when i got a letter from my isp it specifically listed a file i know came from TL.
I assume that when you get a letter from your isp all the letters must include filenames.
Like most people im a member of a few 0day trackers. some like TL have snatchlists so it makes it easier to remember whats been leeched
if youve received a letter or know someone personally that has and he/she can connect the tracker to the file that info would be helpful to me because i really want to avoid another letter. nor would i want an invite to that kinda site regardless of pretimes/speed/ratio.
and even if you havent got a letter from your isp most private trackers have forums where these things are discussed.
it seems to me that this info would be extremely important to the sticky "what trackers are worth....
im starting to think like an earlier poster who said rapidshit an megaupload r the way to go. when it comes to porn i hardly ever use torrents anymore. but its also hard to find forums with more than 1 mirror too. if i cant get scenes with one url i usually skip it.
Louie
06-18-2009, 09:46 AM
aproximating?
You're close,either you say all member are potential spies either give some random numbers regarding spies,none of them can make a clear point about their number and location.
people seem to think that anti-p2p company employees are idiots or something. remember, these people have the permission of the copyright owners to transfer their data with no fear of prosecution. they can easily rent a seedbox at ovh or server.lu every month and boost their ratios on sites. they can post ratio proofs just like anyone else, chat on irc, and appear to be genuine filesharers. I'm sure many of them are, especially since that is their job.
Exactly,now if they would want to act against of someone would done it by now.
All trackers that you can pay(or trade,whatever etc) for in order to get in are infiltrated.And that's basically all trackers. You don't have to pay a huge sum in order to get into high-level trackers, and once you got one, it's pretty easy to scam/trade/buy another. So, WHY THE FUCK wouldn't they be at the most trackers? It doesn't have to be noticed, because (at least here in sweden) Anti-piracy-organisations often work for specific clients that have produced something that they wan't to protect, so it's not until that production shows up on the tracker people will be caught. If it doesn't show up, then noone will be caught and they won't be noticed until another production that needs protection shows up.
If you're scared, get a fucking VPN or something. Stop cry.
If FBI can infiltrate the scene, why wouldn't anti-piracy-organisations be able to infiltrate private trackers?
cinephilia
06-18-2009, 02:03 PM
lol, when people invite other people to harder to get into trackers they usually know them better, thus it's harder (not impossible) for the anti-p2p to infiltrate them.
above all, there would be no point in targeting small communities while "factories" like TL, ScT, SCC etc are spending happy days.
The_Martinator
06-18-2009, 02:21 PM
lol, when people invite other people to harder to get into trackers they usually know them better, thus it's harder (not impossible) for the anti-p2p to infiltrate them.
above all, there would be no point in targeting small communities while "factories" like TL, ScT, SCC etc are spending happy days.
Also there's that. Again pure stats. when you infiltrate TL, you're looking at big profits even if you catch only a small percentage of people. when that happens with a small community oriented trackers, the expected income of it is smaller and prolly doesn't even cover the costs of the infiltration (I'm just guessing here, buying invites/accounts on ebay and other stuff too surely).
Just thought I'd clarify, so Louie will understant (allthough I doubt he will).
Louie
06-18-2009, 02:38 PM
Just thought I'd clarify, so Louie will understant (allthough I doubt he will). :lol:
You're really a post machine,a rusty one more precisely.
Also there's that. Again pure stats
You dont know words real meaning:noes:
when you infiltrate TL, you're looking at big profits
Profits from what?anyway wish you good luck to you and your nice small clean communities that you praise so much,btw what happen with gft torrents number?:O
The_Martinator
06-18-2009, 03:02 PM
You don't know grammar. I may not use the right words all the time, but grammar is the basis of a language. (and that's the last of flaming I'm gonna do)
Oh, profits from people being forced to pay fines. surely some of that money goes to the people tha infiltrated the tracker in the first place. More people=more fines
The GFT torrents number, it decreased. Didn't you know that? :P You mean why? That has also been explained already.
Well how often do people have to pay? Seriously, I've only seen complaints about warnings(mainly from ISPs), never seen a case on TL where people got a demand to pay. The people that infiltrated the tracker is the anti-piracy-organisation, and they probably got money from the client in the first place.
More people(leechers/seeders) on a tracker doesn't always mean more fines, because the caught person has to be from the right country and can't be hiding behind a VPN, if so the caught individual will be useless. And from what I've seen, it's mostly about ISPs telling their customer to stop sharing this and this file, so I wouldn't really call a tracker 'infiltrated' because of that.
Gutshot
06-18-2009, 05:14 PM
Well how often do people have to pay? Seriously, I've only seen complaints about warnings(mainly from ISPs), never seen a case on TL where people got a demand to pay. The people that infiltrated the tracker is the anti-piracy-organisation, and they probably got money from the client in the first place.
More people(leechers/seeders) on a tracker doesn't always mean more fines, because the caught person has to be from the right country and can't be hiding behind a VPN, if so the caught individual will be useless. And from what I've seen, it's mostly about ISPs telling their customer to stop sharing this and this file, so I wouldn't really call a tracker 'infiltrated' because of that.
VPN's don't make you completely invisible right? Isn't there a way they can still track your ip with sharing activity on a shared/dds box? Or is that just far fetched?
As far as I know, the only way to know the IP of someone behind a VPN is to gain access to the logs of the company/person that keeps those. If it doesn't keeps logs, I'm pretty sure you can't be traced. I'm not sure though!
Villalltheway
06-18-2009, 07:12 PM
Aslong as we know what trackers are about im pretty sure they have spies in all of them its not that hard.
Louie
06-18-2009, 07:23 PM
You don't know grammar
:blink:???
but grammar is the basis of a language.
I thought words are the basis but you might be right teacher.
and that's the last of flaming I'm gonna do
:lol: wtf people see flames everywhere,but I can't expect something more from a post machine.
Oh, profits from people being forced to pay fines. surely some of that money goes to the people tha infiltrated the tracker in the first place. More people=more fines
Oh yeah those money are going to mercenaries,when Demonoid will be down Warren Buffett will worry about his place in the billionaires top,just a tip read NSMB post maybe you'll have a better idea about this.
bewareofstf
06-20-2009, 09:34 AM
stf stands for "share the files"
AndreaSparks
06-20-2009, 09:57 AM
I'd say the communities are worth joining despite the risks. Usually its a decent group of people trying to get the same out of it that you are.
Unless maybe ur the spy ;)
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