Burning Cds

[musicmaster]

Can anyone tell me the difference between a music cd prerecorded which you put in a cdrom and burn directly to a cdr in another drive and....... ripping that prerecorded cd to wav and then burning from the wav.

Will one way have better quality than the other. I have heard this mentioned before, but I dont remember where and havent got a definitive answer on this... if there even is one.

What do you all think? Let's hear it!! B) :D :P

[sparsely]

a .wav file is lossless.
Meaning, it has lost no audio data at all, which is why it's such a large format. If you rip a CD as .wav's, then burn them onto
another disc as an audio CD, you have an exact replica.
Digital media can be reproduced infinitely, with no quality loss, as long as you have the space for the uncompressed files.

[Gutter]

so if I
Rip a CD at 192kbps
Burn it to CDR
Rip that CDR at 192kbps
Burn it to another CDR
Rip that CDR at 192 kbps
And burn the final CDR from that last rip,
there will be no quality lost?

[sparsely]

That is incorrect. Because

Rip a CD at 192kbps 1
Burn it to CDR 2
Rip that CDR at 192kbps 3
Burn it to another CDR
Rip that CDR at 192 kbps
And burn the final CDR from that last rip,
there will be no quality lost?

at part 1 it was encoded (compressed) with a lossy codec, meaning it tossed aside some sound data. When you burned the CD, at 2,
this caused the tracks to be at a lower quality than the original.
Then you rip that at 192 (3) which means you lose possibly even more data (may depend on whether or not you
use the same encoder as you did at 1.)
The best you can expect to end up with in this scenario is a CD at maybe a bitrate of 192. Probably slightly less.

[Gutter]

ok I actually did this (yes wasted some CDRs)
and the MP3s that I have now of the final rip do sound a bit...fuzzy
I used the same encoder but it is barely noticable.

I wouldn't consider it true 192

and I also won't be sharing these "fuzzy" files.

[netweiser]

Originally posted by Gutter@4 October 2003 - 22:40
so if I
Rip a CD at 192kbps
Burn it to CDR
Rip that CDR at 192kbps
Burn it to another CDR
Rip that CDR at 192 kbps
And burn the final CDR from that last rip,
there will be no quality lost?
thats ripping an MP3. totally different thing. yes you would lose sound quility. but not if u did it 2 waves.

[sparsely]

Nice experiment though.
But yes, as long as it's kept in a lossless format, it's endlessly perfect.

[Gutter]

Back to the main topic, which will sound better?

A CDR burned directly from the CD
or a CD Ripped as MP3s then burned to an audio CD format?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Gutter@5 October 2003 - 03:57
Back to the main topic, which will sound better?

A CDR burned directly from the CD
or a CD Ripped as MP3s then burned to an audio CD format?
i'd say:

A CDR burned directly from the CD

[sparsely]

is it that difficult to understand?
any time you encode to MP3 you lose sound quality. at 320 the loss is quite minimal and unnoticable, but still
not 'perfect'.
If it's ripped and LEFT as a pure .wav file, it stays exactly the same quality as the original retail cd. Even when you burn it back
to another CDr.

[Adster]

yep thats exactly right its like ripping a iso image of teh cd and tehn burnign it it wont be any different

[Gutter]

well the track that I burned. Which I thought sounded "fuzzy"
is from the Underworld Soundtrack, and it seems it might just be the song
(distortion)

Anyone that has the track 18 - Various - The Icarus Line - On The Lash
give it a listen and let me know if it sounds somewhat distorted or the fuzzyness is just an effect the artist used.

If so then I suppose I did not loose any sound quality :D

If not then this crappy file will still not get shared <_<

[Icey]

i just use nero.. works fine

[namzuf9]

I use matches works a lot better :lol:

[Gutter]

i use FreeRip for ripping and Nero for burning

How well does Nero Rip?

[musicmaster]

I would like to say that I am the topic starter, first of all, and secondly I do appreciate all the input, although I need to state my question once again.

It wasnt only answered incorrectly.... but requestioned incorrectly and again answered incorrectly.

Anyways, let me put this simply:

I am not referring to an MP3 I am talking striclty wav

The question is thus:

If I take a storebought prerecorded music cd and burn a cdr directly from that cd to the cdr.....

then.... I take that same store bought prerecorded music cd and rip it as a wav and then burn a cdr from that....

which finished product will be a replica or exact copy? The one that was ripped or the one that was burned from cd to cd? If there is a difference at all.

Thank you for your support

[Jibbler]

Originally posted by musicmaster@8 October 2003 - 01:08
The question is thus:

If I take a storebought prerecorded music cd and burn a cdr directly from that cd to the cdr.....

then.... I take that same store bought prerecorded music cd and rip it as a wav and then burn a cdr from that....

which finished product will be a replica or exact copy? The one that was ripped or the one that was burned from cd to cd? If there is a difference at all.
Software that allows you to copy "disk to disk" requires your pc to make a digital image of the file, a wav, which it stores in the buffer, then burns to the CDR.

Converting to wav, then burning the wav to CDR will result in the exact same end result. :huh:

[musicmaster]

I think you told me that before jibb... but i think you also mentioned something about copying from disc to disc not being as good or something to that effect. I did read it also somewhere. Any feed back on that?

Also, I am trying to get back on slsk. I dl the new client... but couldnt log in... so I copied all my config files and removed all the clients. Now I am going to try and load it all again. We shall see.

[Jibbler]

Originally posted by musicmaster@8 October 2003 - 01:29
I think you told me that before jibb... but i think you also mentioned something about copying from disc to disc not being as good or something to that effect. I did read it also somewhere. Any feed back on that?
If you are ripping disk to disk, it shouldn&#39;t make a difference, providing your pc and burner are fast enough to do it smoothly on the fly. Most modern machines should be able to handle that without any trouble.

Good luck with SS, I&#39;m taking a night off. Should have it back up in a few hours. :)

[sparsely]

Originally posted by Me
a .wav file is lossless.
Meaning, it has lost no audio data at all, which is why it&#39;s such a large format. If you rip a CD as .wav&#39;s, then burn them onto
another disc as an audio CD, you have an exact replica.
Digital media can be reproduced infinitely, with no quality loss, as long as you have the space for the uncompressed files.

^^ that was the answer, in the first reply.

all the big green text was completely unnecessary.
now...go poke a badger with a spoon.

[Adster]

I
use matches works a lot better

:lol: :lol:

yes damm you MM with that green text :angry:




:P :huh: :o :lol: :D

[Celerystalksme]

Originally posted by Sparsely@8 October 2003 - 15:08
now...go poke a badger with a spoon.
:o :lol:

[Adster]

not very nice is it

[musicmaster]

dam a river not me.... and if you dont watch out I will poke you. And another thing, jibbler answered my question.... not any of you so there :P

LONG LIVE JIBBLER>>>> three salutes up

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I hiope that worked.. if not then STFU

[musicmaster]

It didnt work... so I will add it myself.... lets try again


Three salutes up to JIBBLER:

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[Adster]

yes well done

[Spider_dude]

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[hooked]

Originally posted by Spider_dude@9 October 2003 - 14:57
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[Adster]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[hooked]

Originally posted by Adster@9 October 2003 - 15:04
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[Celerystalksme]

Originally posted by hooked+10 October 2003 - 00:08--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hooked @ 10 October 2003 - 00:08)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Adster@9 October 2003 - 15:04
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i do her :wub:

[hooked]

Originally posted by Celerystalksme+9 October 2003 - 15:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Celerystalksme @ 9 October 2003 - 15:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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i do her :wub: [/b][/quote]
can i come after you :blink:

[Spider_dude]

yeah thats all your good for hooked, sloppy seconds.

[hooked]

lol

[Adster]

Ill do her 3rd

[Spider_dude]

adsters that horny, he&#39;s willing to take anything. i&#39;d watch your back when in the shower hooked, i know i will be.

[hooked]

you only watch my back to see me go down on my knees :D

[Spider_dude]

dont you know it bitch.

[hooked]

:wub:

[musicmaster]

I knew that would get you guys going :) alrighty then have fun with the goooooooooooooooo

[Spider_dude]

leaving so soon MM?

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

Originally posted by hooked+9 October 2003 - 10:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hooked @ 9 October 2003 - 10:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Celerystalksme@9 October 2003 - 15:42

Originally posted by hooked@10 October 2003 - 00:08
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i do her :wub:
can i come after you :blink: [/b][/quote]
;) Nothing but a little girl.Show me a Women.

[Jibbler]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@12 October 2003 - 14:54
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I like &#39;em young. Who is this hottie? :huh:

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

;) Ok.....so I decide to check out the Properties on this Girls Picture.....to see who she really is.

Like I said.She nothing but a little Girl.Look at this one Picture I found in the Group.....
http://peeldmonkeys.8k.com/images/thug1.jpg

Nothing but a Bunch of White Rich Kids trying to be Black.Its time for me to Hijack this Thread and get it on again about these People and the way they are.

FC B)

[summerlinda]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@12 October 2003 - 19:54
Show me a Women.


:P ;)

[razorsharp013]

Originally posted by FuNkY CaPrIcOrN@12 October 2003 - 14:24
;) Ok.....so I decide to check out the Properties on this Girls Picture.....to see who she really is.

Like I said.She nothing but a little Girl.Look at this one Picture I found in the Group.....
http://peeldmonkeys.8k.com/images/thug1.jpg

Nothing but a Bunch of White Rich Kids trying to be Black.Its time for me to Hijack this Thread and get it on again about these People and the way they are.

FC B)
Dude where do you manage to find all these hysterical pics?
You never cease to amaze me. :lol: