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JONNO_CELEBS
10-06-2003, 11:30 AM
I have had a dissagrement with a meber today about beliefs, I'm not going into details but I personally don't agree with beliefs being forced onto others.

Everyone is entitled to believe in what they want but is it right for them to preach to us and tell us what we should and should'nt believe in??

I think not.......What do you think?

Please, this is not an attempt at flame I am genuinly interested

Jonno B)
jay973
10-06-2003, 11:33 AM
My thoughts on this are that beliefs are personal and are best kept that way.
Forcing them onto others only invites trouble.
Mr. Mulder
10-06-2003, 11:38 AM
My thoughts on this are that beliefs are personal and are best kept that way.
Forcing them onto others only invites trouble.

Agreed http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/thmbup.gif
MUSLEMAN
10-06-2003, 11:40 AM
i concure http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/1/slookani.gifhttp://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/r/sgrin.gifhttp://www.clanforen.de/clanforen/images/smilies/eigene/neue/ITCHY.GIF
Riddler
10-06-2003, 11:49 AM
To each their own. http://www.emotipad.com/emoticons/Lager%20Louts.gif
Snee
10-06-2003, 12:02 PM
I believe you are right
TheDave
10-06-2003, 12:06 PM
once i was discussing this with an RE teacher. part of the lesson was talking about not forcing your religion onto people then i said why do we have to do RE then? he said we dont. but i stopped him and said if we choose not to do the lesson then we'd get fined and stuff, so it is forced on us.

then he changed the subject and carried on the lesson. 1-0 :D
DarthInsinuate
10-06-2003, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by jay973@6 October 2003 - 11:33
My thoughts on this are that beliefs are personal and are best kept that way.
Forcing them onto others only invites trouble.
agreed

but i think most of the time people believe that their beliefs should also be believed by others, so we're forcing our belief that it shouldn't on to them :blink:
Snee
10-06-2003, 12:17 PM
Religion is like crime, on it's own it's harmless to society at large, and sometimes stupid.

Organised, it becomes destructive to society, and also begins to shape it.

Forcing one's beliefs on others is the first step towards organised religion.

Once religion is organised, the process never stops, it would trap us all, if it could.
bigboab
10-06-2003, 01:39 PM
I agree. No one, and I mean no one should try and force ones beliefs on another.
These people are the real bigots in the true meaning of the word.
MediaSlayer
10-06-2003, 01:44 PM
@jonno-it's only natural. i don't like to discuss politics or religion with complete strangers so I avoid the world discussions as much as I can. but having said that you can develop some trust for people and sometimes i do join in, but its hard because those discussions invoke too much passion in most people.
Spindulik
10-06-2003, 02:00 PM
I believe that my beliefs are my own belief, and for me to believe that I can push my beliefs against anyone's belief is wrong.
j4y3m
10-06-2003, 02:07 PM
I Personally Don't Beleive In God Or Any Of That Stuff.....But I Don't Think It'd Be Cool To Dismiss Other Peoples Theories/Religion :)
rentalaugh
10-06-2003, 02:40 PM
We are all to some degree conditioned in our beliefs from an early age by our parents and society, as we get older and wiser we make our own choices. I believe no one has the right to expect others to have the same beliefs as they do.
Live and let live!
j2k4
10-06-2003, 03:06 PM
All these posts tend to lean one way-

When I was growing up (not that long ago) my parents told me decorum precluded open discussion of religion, politics, and paystubs (earnings).

The reason for this was, the strength of beliefs and emotions underlying these subjects did not lend to rational discourse-feelings would be hurt, offense given and received.

This is, however, a forum, where such things are acceptable subjects for discussion and/or debate.

It is in places such as this that ignorance is dashed, enlightenment gained, and genuine ideological exchange can occur.

I have yet to see a view, opinion, credo, religion or anything else "forced" on anyone here.

We do well to remember this last cannot occur in cyberspace.

Even "browbeating" someone is incredibly difficult. :)
Pitbul
10-06-2003, 03:37 PM
i believe in god because i choose to. i know alot of teens who have become athiest because their parents forced them to go to church and forced it on them. my mom didn;t do that to me she said if i wanted to go to church i could if not then thats ok as well.
Gemby!
10-06-2003, 03:40 PM
im not forced to believe in anything so thats good :)
N£MO
10-06-2003, 03:41 PM
The only thing i truly believe in is fate.
titey
10-06-2003, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by Pitbul@6 October 2003 - 09:37
i know alot of teens who have become athiest because their parents forced them to go to church
:blink: Odd........did they become carnivores cuz thier parents made them eat their veggies? :unsure:




http://www.piczonline.com/client/titey/hiya.gif Hiya gemby!!!
j2k4
10-06-2003, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by titey+6 October 2003 - 10:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey @ 6 October 2003 - 10:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pitbul@6 October 2003 - 09:37
i know alot of teens who have become athiest because their parents forced them to go to church
:blink: Odd....[LIST]....did they become carnivores cuz thier parents made them eat their veggies? :unsure:
[/b][/quote]
Curious, eh? :huh:
Gemby!
10-06-2003, 03:46 PM
hiya titey
:D
titey
10-06-2003, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by gemby&#33;@6 October 2003 - 09:46
hiya titey
:D
How&#39;s you this morning.... http://www.emule-project.net/board/html/emoticons/worthy.gif Yer Highness?
Illuminati
10-06-2003, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by j2k4@6 October 2003 - 16:06
Even "browbeating" someone is incredibly difficult. :)
Only because the only obvious person who is at a numerical disadvantage is Lamsey - And he could mod our asses if we pushed about the brow :lol:

Okay, I couldn&#39;t resist :D no more attempts of hijacking ;) I&#39;ll speak seriously soon.
JONNO_CELEBS
10-06-2003, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by j2k4@6 October 2003 - 15:06


I have yet to see a view, opinion, credo, religion or anything else "forced" on anyone here.

This morning I was told by a member here that I Should go to chirch and I might learn something&#33;&#33;

Jonno
Lilmiss
10-06-2003, 05:23 PM
you would learn something.....never to go again. :D
corvair41
10-06-2003, 05:25 PM
choosing a belief system is like choosing a pair of shoes you like. you like them and you want everone else to like &#39;em. But if they don&#39;t, it doesn&#39;t matter. It&#39;s your CHOICE. One Mans truth is another mans lie. It&#39;s all so bloody relative.
titey
10-06-2003, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by lilmiss@6 October 2003 - 11:23
you would learn something.....never to go again.&nbsp; :D
Amen&#33; :P
j2k4
10-06-2003, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+6 October 2003 - 12:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 6 October 2003 - 12:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@6 October 2003 - 15:06


I have yet to see a view, opinion, credo, religion or anything else "forced" on anyone here.

This morning I was told by a member here that I Should go to chirch and I might learn something&#33;&#33;

Jonno [/b][/quote]
Jonno, you prove my point.

Pronouncements are one thing, "force" is another. ;)


Why don&#39;t more of you visit the "World Events" section?

This would make for an excellent and far-ranging long-term thread. :)
Lilmiss
10-06-2003, 05:32 PM
Dogma&#39;s on tonight Jonno,
you could always use the "whale and the carpenter" speech against them. :D


you know my thoughts on it anyways.
big pile of .... :ph34r:
damn pagans, eh? :rolleyes:
lynx
10-06-2003, 05:33 PM
You can believe in anything you want.

And if you don&#39;t believe me I&#39;ll bash ya. http://members.shaw.ca/wenpigsfly/smileys/bash.gif
Snee
10-06-2003, 05:35 PM
Now I don&#39;t know what to believe :unsure:
TheDave
10-06-2003, 05:36 PM
you dont wanna believe anyone. believe me
titey
10-06-2003, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by SnnY@6 October 2003 - 11:35
Now I don&#39;t know what to believe :unsure:
Really? :blink:
Snee
10-06-2003, 05:39 PM
Truly&#33; :huh:
corvair41
10-06-2003, 05:42 PM
To Believe or not to believe.... God only Knows&#33;
Snee
10-06-2003, 05:43 PM
WHU?:blink: :huh:
titey
10-06-2003, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by SnnY@6 October 2003 - 11:39
Truly&#33; :huh:
:D Ok then&#33;
JONNO_CELEBS
10-06-2003, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by j2k4@6 October 2003 - 17:30

Jonno, you prove my point.

Pronouncements are one thing, "force" is another. ;)


Why don&#39;t more of you visit the "World Events" section?

This would make for an excellent and far-ranging long-term thread. :)
No, the way I see it he told me to do something, no one tells me to do anything, they may ask me but never ever tell me to do something, you&#39;re right, maybe force is the wrong word...........but he also told me that he and his church buddies prayed for me :angry: That is taking the piss

Looks like I&#39;m about to flame

Jonno
Snee
10-06-2003, 06:02 PM
Yeah, I don&#39;t want no one prayin&#39; fer me, sumpthin&#39; gud might &#39;appen&#33; :P

Sorry Jonno :)
noname12
10-06-2003, 06:04 PM
Oh get over it, so some one told you about there religion and prayed for you OH JESUS he should be executed (spelling?), I personally believe every one has the right to preach there beliefs so long as it does not border on hatred and violence, let them stand in hyde parks speakers corner and scream they love christ, let them stand on the pulpit and show alliegance to the caliphate, let them shake there heads infront of the wailing wall and blow there horns, who cares, no one is forcing you to do anything, there not pinning you down and making you believe, just saying what they believe and out of care try to make you believe the same.
Forcing.... you dont know what forcing is... go to places like Saudi Arabia where they FORCE people to be of Sunnite or Wahabite belief, anything else you&#39;ll get shot, not being forced by some one praying for you :lol: :lol:
TheDave
10-06-2003, 06:06 PM
but you can get a fine and prison sentance for skiving
j2k4
10-06-2003, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+6 October 2003 - 12:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS &#064; 6 October 2003 - 12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@6 October 2003 - 17:30

Jonno, you prove my point.

Pronouncements are one thing, "force" is another. ;)


Why don&#39;t more of you visit the "World Events" section?

This would make for an excellent and far-ranging long-term thread. :)
No, the way I see it he told me to do something, no one tells me to do anything, they may ask me but never ever tell me to do something, you&#39;re right, maybe force is the wrong word...........but he also told me that he and his church buddies prayed for me :angry: That is taking the piss

Looks like I&#39;m about to flame

Jonno[/b][/quote]
I don&#39;t think such could be construed as them "prevailing" against your wishes, Jonno.

If someone offers a prayer for "all the people of the world", I think you would be included-as a matter of fact, you can be certain that occurs a few billion times a day-for you to insist that they exclude you by name from their prayer would, I fear, be an overwhelming imposition. :)

Relax, Jonno-if we all assert our affection for you, would you sort the assertions?

I would hope not.
NikkiD
10-06-2003, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by noname12@6 October 2003 - 13:04
Oh get over it, so some one told you about there religion and prayed for you OH JESUS he should be executed (spelling?), I personally believe every one has the right to preach there beliefs so long as it does not border on hatred and violence, let them stand in hyde parks speakers corner and scream they love christ, let them stand on the pulpit and show alliegance to the caliphate, let them shake there heads infront of the wailing wall and blow there horns, who cares, no one is forcing you to do anything, there not pinning you down and making you believe, just saying what they believe and out of care try to make you believe the same.
Forcing.... you dont know what forcing is... go to places like Saudi Arabia where they FORCE people to be of Sunnite or Wahabite belief, anything else you&#39;ll get shot, not being forced by some one praying for you&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:
I have no problem with people believing differently than I do. What I do have a problem with, and the point I think Jonno is trying to make is, that I don&#39;t like someone trying to coerce me into believing what they do. Everyone has a choice to believe what they want, and no one has the right to tell someone else that they are right or wrong for what they believe. It is one thing to say "this is what I believe" it is entirely another to say "this is what I believe and you are wrong if you don&#39;t believe the same thing, and now I&#39;m going to try to bully you into believing it too."
j2k4
10-06-2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by NikkiD@6 October 2003 - 13:14
It is one thing to say "this is what I believe" it is entirely another to say "this is what I believe and you are wrong if you don&#39;t believe the same thing, and now I&#39;m going to try to bully you into believing it too."
I believe you&#39;ve winnowed it down, NikkiD. :)

This is what we should strive to avoid.

That is not to say we should shy away from trying to convince others of the error of their ways. :D
noname12
10-06-2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by j2k4+6 October 2003 - 18:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 &#064; 6 October 2003 - 18:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-NikkiD@6 October 2003 - 13:14
It is one thing to say "this is what I believe" it is entirely another to say "this is what I believe and you are wrong if you don&#39;t believe the same thing, and now I&#39;m going to try to bully you into believing it too."
I believe you&#39;ve winnowed it down, NikkiD. :)

This is what we should strive to avoid.

That is not to say we should shy away from trying to convince others of the error of their ways. :D [/b][/quote]
Yep pretty much what j2k4 said, no one is forcing you or jonno to do anything, to them you are wrong and they are right, just as to you they are wrong and you are right :P... aslong as every one says it in a nice way and with out a gun to each others head, theres no forcing or problems involved :lol:
J'Pol
10-06-2003, 06:33 PM
j2 (forgive me being forward)

However if I believe something, then by definition I must think it is correct.

If you believe something different then, again be definition, I must think you are wrong.

We are surely allowed to disagree wtih one and other, that does not mean I am trying to coerce you into accepting my position is the correct one.

Oh and if you disagree with this you are quite obviously wrong.
bigboab
10-06-2003, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by titey+6 October 2003 - 17:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey @ 6 October 2003 - 17:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lilmiss@6 October 2003 - 11:23
you would learn something.....never to go again. :D
Amen&#33; :P [/b][/quote]
[QUOTE]

I thought that you stayed in the bible belt Titey. Oh no, I forgot you stay in a Condo. B)
j2k4
10-06-2003, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by JPaul@6 October 2003 - 13:33
j2 (forgive me being forward)

However if I believe something, then by definition I must think it is correct.

If you believe something different then, again be definition, I must think you are wrong.

We are surely allowed to disagree wtih one and other, that does not mean I am trying to coerce you into ccepting my position is the correct one.

Oh and if you disagree with this you are quite obviously wrong.
Obviously you disagree that I am agreeing with you, or you me.

Just as obviously, I am right, and in those instances we agree, I must still insist I am "righter" than you.

Sorry, JPaul, but that&#39;s just the way it is.

Feel free to disagree. ;)

BTW-I do not feel you are being forward-just the opposite. :D
JONNO_CELEBS
10-06-2003, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by NikkiD@6 October 2003 - 18:14
I don&#39;t like someone trying to coerce me into believing what they do. Everyone has a choice to believe what they want, and no one has the right to tell someone else that they are right or wrong for what they believe
That is exactly what I am saying, I have beliefs but none of you know what they are cos I done preach it to you.
I don&#39;t think anyone&#39;s beliefs are wrong, but they seem to think mine are, so who is IN the wrong??

As for Forcing, I said it was the wrong word already&#33;

As for me calming down.......not yet, I ain&#39;t done yet.
I am having my say, I keep quiet about this stuff most of the time but I am having my say which is my right as a human being in the same way that my opinion and beliefes are my right as a human being.

Jonno
J'Pol
10-06-2003, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+6 October 2003 - 19:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 6 October 2003 - 19:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-NikkiD@6 October 2003 - 18:14
I don&#39;t like someone trying to coerce me into believing what they do. Everyone has a choice to believe what they want, and no one has the right to tell someone else that they are right or wrong for what they believe
That is exactly what I am saying, I have beliefs but none of you know what they are cos I done preach it to you.
I don&#39;t think anyone&#39;s beliefs are wrong, but they seem to think mine are, so who is IN the wrong??

As for Forcing, I said it was the wrong word already&#33;

As for me calming down.......not yet, I ain&#39;t done yet.
I am having my say, I keep quiet about this stuff most of the time but I am having my say which is my right as a human being in the same way that my opinion and beliefes are my right as a human being.

Jonno [/b][/quote]
Well stop trying to force this down everyone else&#39;s throat.
noname12
10-06-2003, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by JPaul+6 October 2003 - 18:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 6 October 2003 - 18:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@6 October 2003 - 19:52
<!--QuoteBegin-NikkiD@6 October 2003 - 18:14
I don&#39;t like someone trying to coerce me into believing what they do. Everyone has a choice to believe what they want, and no one has the right to tell someone else that they are right or wrong for what they believe
That is exactly what I am saying, I have beliefs but none of you know what they are cos I done preach it to you.
I don&#39;t think anyone&#39;s beliefs are wrong, but they seem to think mine are, so who is IN the wrong??

As for Forcing, I said it was the wrong word already&#33;

As for me calming down.......not yet, I ain&#39;t done yet.
I am having my say, I keep quiet about this stuff most of the time but I am having my say which is my right as a human being in the same way that my opinion and beliefes are my right as a human being.

Jonno
Well stop trying to force this down everyone else&#39;s throat. [/b][/quote]
:lol: Here Here (house of commons style)
TheDave
10-06-2003, 06:56 PM
:huh:
nikita69
10-06-2003, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by NikkiD@6 October 2003 - 18:14
I don&#39;t like someone trying to coerce me into believing what they do. Everyone has a choice to believe what they want, and no one has the right to tell someone else that they are right or wrong for what they believe
I agree with this quote and it goes both ways.
Jackstermj
10-06-2003, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by rentalaugh@6 October 2003 - 14:40
We are all to some degree conditioned in our beliefs from an early age by our parents and society, as we get older and wiser we make our own choices. I believe no one has the right to expect others to have the same beliefs as they do.
Live and let live&#33;
Well, to me that explains it just how it is.

I could rant or go into a big speech about it all, but I won&#39;t. What I will say is, I believe in Jonno, Nikkid and for anyone else who says that, beliefs should stay a personal thing and should in no way be made to be forced onto another person. We all live our lives the way we want, no one can decide that for us.

I have my own idea&#39;s of religion, we all have, but all I&#39;m saying is, freedom to believe in what you like is fine, I have nothing against any religion..just please don&#39;t push or force it on another and say they are wrong for their belief....that is totally wrong&#33;&#33;
Illuminati
10-06-2003, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@6 October 2003 - 19:52
I don&#39;t think anyone&#39;s beliefs are wrong, but they seem to think mine are, so who is IN the wrong??
I&#39;m surprised that no-one&#39;s asked the question of who the member in question is :blink:
JONNO_CELEBS
10-06-2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by JPaul@6 October 2003 - 18:54

Well stop trying to force this down everyone else&#39;s throat.
Fair enough, just thought I would try a debate for a change is all

@Illuminati........Does it really take much working out considering recent threads??

Jonno B)
J'Pol
10-06-2003, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by Jackstermj@6 October 2003 - 20:06
..just please don&#39;t push or force it on another and say they are wrong for their belief....that is totally wrong&#33;&#33;
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Tell me you meant that.
J'Pol
10-06-2003, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+6 October 2003 - 20:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 6 October 2003 - 20:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@6 October 2003 - 18:54

Well stop trying to force this down everyone else&#39;s throat.
Fair enough, just thought I would try a debate for a change is all

[/b][/quote]
There&#39;s no need to be so aggresive about it. Lighten up a bit.
noname12
10-06-2003, 07:22 PM
But technically this thread is filled with people throwing there beliefs of being right or wrong at each other... I sence some irony here (spelling?) :lol:
DanB
10-06-2003, 07:25 PM
I agree, your own beliefs are your own beliefs. if you feel you want to share them then you can but unfortunately it does leave you open.

but it is important to stand up for your beliefs if challenged but it doesnt give you a right to slate other people&#39;s beliefs and ideas.

We are all our own person&#33;&#33; :)
JONNO_CELEBS
10-06-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by JPaul@6 October 2003 - 19:22

There&#39;s no need to be so aggresive about it. Lighten up a bit.
I&#39;m not being agressive, you would know if I was :P

It&#39;s funny tho that people don&#39;t believe in other people believing in what they want to bellieve :blink:

Jonno B)
bigboab
10-06-2003, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+6 October 2003 - 19:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 6 October 2003 - 19:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@6 October 2003 - 19:22

There&#39;s no need to be so aggresive about it. Lighten up a bit.
I&#39;m not being agressive, you would know if I was :P

It&#39;s funny tho that people don&#39;t believe in other people believing in what they want to bellieve :blink:

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
[QUOTE]

I agree Jonno. It seems to be a one way street.
DanB
10-06-2003, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+6 October 2003 - 20:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 6 October 2003 - 20:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@6 October 2003 - 19:22

There&#39;s no need to be so aggresive about it. Lighten up a bit.
I&#39;m not being agressive, you would know if I was :P

It&#39;s funny tho that people don&#39;t believe in other people believing in what they want to bellieve :blink:

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
Hhhmm this has been going on for absolutley eons&#33;&#33; How about the crusades for one famous example of forcing your belief?
noname12
10-06-2003, 07:36 PM
what your saying is every one should accept the beliefs of other people yes?
Well in that case, you should accept that a big part of the Christian and Islamic faith is to preach and try and convert people.
Its also another big part to teach those who are ignorant to the faiths, and in some cases mandatory to try and convert (with out force).... so accept it :P
DanB
10-06-2003, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by noname12@6 October 2003 - 20:36
what your saying is every one should accept the beliefs of other people yes?
Well in that case, you should accept that a big part of the Christian and Islamic faith is to preach and try and convert people.
Its also another big part to teach those who are ignorant to the faiths, and in some cases mandatory to try and convert (with out force).... so accept it :P
Jehovas Witness springs to mind :D


Actually i havent seen any of them for ages, are they still going?
Jackstermj
10-06-2003, 07:39 PM
There has been no aggression here and there definitely hasn&#39;t been anything that has been shoved down people&#39;s throats :blink:

This thread was opened as a discussion and to ask opinions. Like beliefs in religion as the topic of this thread, not everyone will agree with what everyone else has to say...but the whole purpose of it was to see different opinions and how it affects us, which is good, because some of us learn from it in some way or another.

So no good getting the ump with people because they don&#39;t agree with you, that&#39;s the whole point of having a blimming discussion in the first place. :D
Jackstermj
10-06-2003, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by danb+6 October 2003 - 19:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danb @ 6 October 2003 - 19:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-noname12@6 October 2003 - 20:36
what your saying is every one should accept the beliefs of other people yes?
Well in that case, you should accept that a big part of the Christian and Islamic faith is to preach and try and convert people.
Its also another big part to teach those who are ignorant to the faiths, and in some cases mandatory to try and convert (with out force).... so accept it&nbsp; :P
Jehovas Witness springs to mind :D


Actually i havent seen any of them for ages, are they still going? [/b][/quote]
Ohhhhh yes...they are still around..quick..hide :ph34r: :lol:

Joke :D
noname12
10-06-2003, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by danb+6 October 2003 - 19:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danb @ 6 October 2003 - 19:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-noname12@6 October 2003 - 20:36
what your saying is every one should accept the beliefs of other people yes?
Well in that case, you should accept that a big part of the Christian and Islamic faith is to preach and try and convert people.
Its also another big part to teach those who are ignorant to the faiths, and in some cases mandatory to try and convert (with out force).... so accept it&nbsp; :P
Jehovas Witness springs to mind :D


Actually i havent seen any of them for ages, are they still going? [/b][/quote]
I think we need to ask JONNO... Jahova&#39;s witnesses go missing, then Jonno starts this thread... hmmmm... :blink:
JONNO_CELEBS
10-06-2003, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by noname12@6 October 2003 - 19:41

I think we need to ask JONNO... Jahova&#39;s witnesses go missing, then Jonno starts this thread... hmmmm... :blink:
<_< :lol: I did&#39;nt do it. no body saw me do it, you can&#39;t prove anything :ph34r:

Jonno B)
thewizeard
10-06-2003, 07:53 PM
Well I think it is important to respect other peoples beliefs....
Illuminati
10-06-2003, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@6 October 2003 - 20:19
@Illuminati........Does it really take much working out considering recent threads??

Guess not.

*Post is removed to keep the heat down - This was voluntary.*
DanB
10-06-2003, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by Jackstermj+6 October 2003 - 20:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jackstermj @ 6 October 2003 - 20:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by danb@6 October 2003 - 19:38
<!--QuoteBegin-noname12@6 October 2003 - 20:36
what your saying is every one should accept the beliefs of other people yes?
Well in that case, you should accept that a big part of the Christian and Islamic faith is to preach and try and convert people.
Its also another big part to teach those who are ignorant to the faiths, and in some cases mandatory to try and convert (with out force).... so accept it :P
Jehovas Witness springs to mind :D


Actually i havent seen any of them for ages, are they still going?
Ohhhhh yes...they are still around..quick..hide :ph34r: :lol:

Joke :D [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: okay i believe you&#33;

try asking them in, that really confuses them


@Jonno - sorry for lowering the tone :D You could have cut the air with a knife though :unsure:
JONNO_CELEBS
10-06-2003, 08:28 PM
@Illuminati.......I understand completly what you are saying but having pm&#39;d this person he is not a Hypo wannabe, he has genuin beliefes that I/we/it is wrong.
And the only reason I bit is because that particular topic is very very close to home.
I know people.......very very good friends that I care a great deal about who have been thru this, not to mention a very close family member and I needed to vent.

@Dan.......No worries dude, I&#39;m the same, you know that ;)

To all of you who have read and taken part in this thread.
I never intended for this to flame and I don&#39;t think it has, I think we have all been very mature about this and I thank you for it.
I also apologise to anyone offended by any of my posts.

I started this thread mostly out of anger, which was wrong, but it has been an eye opener for me and I have learnt a lot.

Jonno B)
Snee
10-06-2003, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+6 October 2003 - 20:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 6 October 2003 - 20:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@6 October 2003 - 19:22

There&#39;s no need to be so aggresive about it. Lighten up a bit.
I&#39;m not being agressive, you would know if I was :P

It&#39;s funny tho that people don&#39;t believe in other people believing in what they want to bellieve :blink:

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s a bit of a mindbender, I thought. :lol:
corvair41
10-07-2003, 08:44 AM
I Believe my brain hurts&#33;
DenDen2004
10-07-2003, 05:09 PM
My thoughts on this are that beliefs are personal and are best kept that way.
Forcing them onto others only invites trouble.

Exactly&#33; i was actually listening to this R&B station and the guy started preaching :angry: it kind of pissed me off actually.. if i knew the number to the station i would defenately call him up to stop preaching to the audience.. he probably failed to realize that many people listen to the radio including people that do not have the same faith as he does..

if history has taught us anything is not to pound your beliefs on anyone because it does not work. it only causes agression and bloodletting. Eg)The Crusades, Communism, Fundamentalism, Imperialism (including todays US imperialism, which bush should not further), The Roman Empire so on and so forth..
hawk
10-07-2003, 05:44 PM
people starting fights and other unfortunate parts of history have much less to do with the actual beliefs they carry and much more with the fact that humans are flawed not perfect little machines (thats a good thing mostimes) communism is a great idea but people are greedy so it doesnt work never has never will the soldiers fighting in the crusades had little education and the people pushing the war wern&#39;t exactly acting in the way the bible teaches.

people shouldnt push there beliefs on anyone but that doesnt mean they dont have the right to stand for them or argue for them being right
Lamsey
10-07-2003, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by hawk@7 October 2003 - 17:44
people shouldnt push there beliefs on anyone but that doesnt mean they dont have the right to stand for them or argue for them being right
http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/clap.gif

Well said, that man.
j2k4
10-07-2003, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Lamsey+7 October 2003 - 12:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 7 October 2003 - 12:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hawk@7 October 2003 - 17:44
people shouldnt push there beliefs on anyone but that doesnt mean they dont have the right to stand for them or argue for them being right
http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/clap.gif

Well said, that man. [/b][/quote]
Yes-

Succinctly put.

Liam-

I&#39;m putting Clocker onto Cacheman-feel free to PM him with your input.
internet.news
10-09-2003, 11:27 AM
I have my own faith only partly linked with the church.
I think that probably after death people get into a kind of energy...
...but do not know... but after realizing thati n humany body there is
small energy :)

thks...