What If You Don't Share Many Files

[endezeichen]

Would the RIAA fine you if your only sharing under 20 files?? Or are they just going after the high #'s?

[Monkeee]

if you have a 1000 files its hardly a chance you will get caught if you update ur IP blocker and use the K-lite options

[Switeck]

Originally posted by Monkeee@17 October 2003 - 00:45
if you have a 1000 files its hardly a chance you will get caught if you update ur IP blocker and use the K-lite options
Sharing that many popular files at once also makes you the target of many simultaneous download attempts at once. It's pointless to do because you end up losing a lots of your bandwidth just responding with 'busy' messages.

That's the problem with being able to find and download from 1 million users -- 1 million users can find and TRY TO download from you! :P

So it's better to share a smaller number of files -- like around 50-500. And if you're sharing movies, even just 1 or 2 can be 'too many'! :lol:

[Monkeee]

Originally posted by Switeck+18 October 2003 - 06:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Switeck @ 18 October 2003 - 06:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Monkeee@17 October 2003 - 00:45
if you have a 1000 files its hardly a chance you will get caught if you update ur IP blocker and use the K-lite options
Sharing that many popular files at once also makes you the target of many simultaneous download attempts at once. It&#39;s pointless to do because you end up losing a lots of your bandwidth just responding with &#39;busy&#39; messages.

That&#39;s the problem with being able to find and download from 1 million users -- 1 million users can find and TRY TO download from you&#33; :P

So it&#39;s better to share a smaller number of files -- like around 50-500. And if you&#39;re sharing movies, even just 1 or 2 can be &#39;too many&#39;&#33; :lol: [/b][/quote]
yeah but the more you share the more kazaa grows.... you dont have to keep kazaa on 24/7 so it doesen&#39;t take all your bandwidth&#33; :P

[DasScoot]

I don&#39;t know, I&#39;ve got near 20,000 (I coulda sworn it said 35,000 last night) and haven&#39;t noticed a problem with bandwidth. Admittly, a lot aren&#39;t really &#39;popular&#39; (a lot are comic scans, which are like 20+ images a comic) but I&#39;ve got a least a few thou that are mp3s or movies.


Unless maybe you&#39;ve set max uploads to a few hundred, that might not be good. :P

[Adster]

I dont think it matter I read that if you had 20 meg worth you they were trying to f*ck us over the ass

[Switeck]

Originally posted by Monkeee+18 October 2003 - 02:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Monkeee &#064; 18 October 2003 - 02:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Switeck@18 October 2003 - 06:05
That&#39;s the problem with being able to find and download from 1 million users -- 1 million users can find and TRY TO download from you&#33; :Pyeah but the more you share the more kazaa grows.... you dont have to keep kazaa on 24/7 so it doesen&#39;t take all your bandwidth&#33; :P[/b][/quote]
You don&#39;t seem to realize... if you share lots of popular/desireable files people WILL find you and then your ip WILL BE HAMMERED by download requests EVEN WHEN YOU&#39;RE NOT RUNNING KL++&#33; When you change your ip, it becomes someone else&#39;s problem -- maybe only your ISP&#39;s -- but they continue hammering&#33;

Let&#39;s say you&#39;re sharing 1,000 files. And you&#39;re getting about 1 download request per minute. That&#39;s only once every 16 2/3 hours per file -- and I&#39;m assuming popular/desireable files here, so that&#39;s actually a VERY LOW estimate&#33; Let&#39;s say they&#39;re all 5 MB MP3 music files, just to keep numbers simple -- and you have a 1 mbps cablemodem that can upload at 27 KB/sec (that&#39;s 256 kilobits/sec max upload bandwidth, of which only 27 KB/sec of that is useable as upload bandwidth.) But a 5 MB file takes 190 seconds to upload at 27 KB/sec, so for every download request you get it takes over 3 minutes to fill it. So you can upload about 19 MP3s in 1 hour. Too bad you&#39;ve gotten 60 download requests in that 1 hour&#33; That&#39;s 41 you DIDN&#39;T get done&#33; Maybe half of them gave up or got that file elsewhere, so it&#39;s only 20 extra uploads to do per hour -- but that&#39;s still twice as many as you can fill. So every hour, the number of new requests may well be increasing by 20. In one 24-hour period, that&#39;s 480 total you DIDN&#39;T fill and DIDN&#39;T get that file elsewhere. Your connection&#39;s not getting any faster and the new download requests keep coming in. Now, with the RE-requests occuring maybe 100 a minute, that&#39;s slowing your upload bandwidth for FILES from 27 KB/sec to only about 25 KB/sec -- so now each upload takes nearly 3 1/2 minutes minimum. And that means instead of there being 20 extra download requests per hour, now there&#39;s 21-22.

Before long, the numbers can grow to the point where KL++ won&#39;t run at a reasonable rate of speed at all. 100+ download requests a minute can take down even fast connections if they&#39;re on Win 9x/ME due to its 100-max-ip-connections-at-once limit. And 1,000+ download connections can potentially DDoS flood all but the fastest ones.

This will happen EVEN faster if you have browse host/listing of your files turned on, because people may be searching your files then trying to download most/all of them at once... so they REALLY hammer you by themselves&#33;

Btw, even disabling sharing WON&#39;T make these download requests go away -- they have your ip STORED in their DAT files, which at the very least will be retried when they restart Kazaa/KL++/Grokster/Imesh.

And continuing to share WILL just get MORE download requests BEYOND the ones you already CAN&#39;T fill.

And changing your ip address just makes it someone else&#39;s problem on your ISP -- if you do this often enough you might get the same ip address again, or worse yet the ip address of someone else using the same tactic. :lol:

Most of this normally doesn&#39;t occur if you&#39;re running a router, because your ip address as stored in other people&#39;s dat files is usually 192.168.x.x -- instead you have a potentially WORSE problem&#33; 192.168.x.x addresses in your OWN DAT files hammer your connection locally instead of trying to find them on the internet. I am a joint discoverer of this -- and we were BOTH called nuts by those who THOUGHT they knew more about networking. It was partially because of our discovery that KaNAT was made -- but that just makes those that use it vulnerable to the SAME problems non-firewalled users have.

Oh yeah, even a FIREWALL won&#39;t help much either. They&#39;ll still be hitting your ip, you just won&#39;t be replying back to them -- which means you won&#39;t be able to share at all while doing that with KL++ running. And your download bandwidth (but not upload bandwidth) will be used up by it even while NOT running KL++ but on the same ip. Changing your ip port is the SAME as firewalling everyone trying to download from you.

There *IS* a way to short-circuit this loop and escape, but I&#39;ll leave that for a later post... or you can do a search for it as I&#39;ve posted about this MANY times.

NOW do you understand what I mean by 1 million users can find you?

[jesraptora]

Damn, I&#39;m glad I only download and share anime. Because Japan has no real copyright laws and Asia honestly doesn&#39;t care about the whole "down with filesharing."

[Aimless6]

I only get 4000+ upload request per hour, 100+ of them to 1214 and 80. And those ports have been closed for months now. Long live the Accelerator.

If a judge would force the RIAA to actualy download the file their trying to cash &#036; 150 000 for, this would be the best protection we could wish for. :lol:

[Switeck]

Originally posted by Aimless6@18 October 2003 - 13:53
I only get 4000+ upload request per hour, 100+ of them to 1214 and 80. And those ports have been closed for months now.
Can you upload 4000+ uploads per hour and are you firewalled/behind a router?

Seems like an awfully huge backlog -- even worse than what I thoerized. :(

[Aimless6]

I checked my logs from ZoneAlarm. Most of those 4000+ requests are from users who try me up to 20 times an hour. So its about 300 users who attempt to upload mostly .Avi&#39;s from me. (around 80-400 MB each)

Most of those will NEVER get a single byte from me, since the maximum upload cap I can use without problem is 11 kB/s. If they get something from me, its only a partial. So thats why people moan about poor download speeds.

A system where the source initiates the upload (like a que) would stop the traffic yam. But that would probably require some coding from Sharman. So its not gonna happen.

Including a tool in K++ that automaticly purges old sources from your .dat might help. But only K++ users would have it. (untill Sharman violates K++ copyrights again and steals the idea like with KMD 2.5 :lol: )