Wolfmight, A Review Of Your New Psu

[adamp2p]

What's up bud--how is your new PSU. Let us know. Does it free you to overclock to your hearts content?

[adamp2p]

bump...waiting...

[Wolfmight]

hold up.. tryin to fix a problem with my ATI Wonder VE card right now.
btw it's not cause of the ps.. it's actually cause my older ps couldnt run the computer with the extra hardware.. i tested back a forth to make sure.. like:
I ran it with ATI Radeon 9500 Pro only... then i tried ATI Wonder VE (useing mobo graphics.) both started up fine.. but i couldnt startup with them both for some reason. Now I can, but the darn TV Tuner freezes my computer everytime i open it. (Some kind of software conflict.)

[adamp2p]

well keep us informed. The best advice is to be had on the board--we trust each other and turn to each other for tips before making purchases. B)

[Virtualbody1234]

Based on the information on Tomshardware site I bought an Antec True 380P.

http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20021021/images/image005.gif

http://www.antec-inc.com/images/400/true380.jpg

http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20021021/index.html

I am ultra happy with this unit. As some members already know that one of my goals in building computers is to make them (almost) silent. This power supply helps greatly with that. One very good feature is that the fan speed is automatically adjusted with temperature. There is also a special output to connect the case fans directly to the speed control circuit.

It allows for the fans to run at an ultra slow 1600rpm. That's all my 80mm case fans also, so that make for a very quiet PC.

It has all the power I need. I have pushed this unit quite hard with a lot of devices added and a lot of testing of components happens with this PC.

[Wolfmight]

i overclocked to 187mhz core.. didnt mess with mem yet, and i'm starting to get VPU Recover alot. The card crashes. Is this normal?
Rage3D Tweak is confuseing.. it wouldnt keep showing the overclocked setting i chose.. everytime i reopened it.. the original setting was on it. Is my card locked? and getting confused?
need a different Bios?

Here's what is looks like:
http://galleries.vinyamar.com/ps/show.php?id=F7lX0zxhosV3suzy3vrLCi7lo&etx=.jpg
Since i got a "Retail".. i'm guessing the Bios needs to be modded.

Rage3d has something on: 3.8’s causing hardware overheating and/or burnouts. Hmm.. maybe i should use the Omegas.

[adamp2p]

That is hardly overclocking anyways. You might need to flash your card's BIOS.

Do you remember to apply the overclocked setting and does a window pop up saying something like (keep these settings)?


Warp11's ATi Radeon BIOS Files:
Warp11 compared the ATi Radeon 9700 Pro BIOS, the 9700 non-Pro BIOS, and the 9500 Pro BIOS and was able to find the one hexidecimal value that is keeping the ATi Radeon 9500 Pro and ATi Radeon 9700 non-Pro from overclocking.

ATi is setting the same hex value on the 9500 Pro and 9700 non-Pro cards to keep them from overclocking. I tested this theory on both a 9700 non-Pro and 9500 Pro and it works. All of the overclocking utilities functioned correctly with these BIOS's. Neither 3DChipset nor Warp11 is responsbile for what happends when using these files.

find these here (http://www.3dchipset.com/bios/ati/warp11/index.php)

[Wolfmight]

yea, i clicked yes on that confirm window.. then i clicked apply.
i ran an aquamark test.. the results showed the original speeds.. not my overclocked ones. I'm guessing i need Warp11's ATi Radeon 9500 Pro Beta BIOS. It says Beta though.. i am scared of that word when it comes to bios or drivers.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Wolfmight@20 October 2003 - 00:26
yea, i clicked yes on that confirm window.. then i clicked apply.
i ran an aquamark test.. the results showed the original speeds.. not my overclocked ones. I'm guessing i need Warp11's ATi Radeon 9500 Pro Beta BIOS. It says Beta though.. i am scared of that word when it comes to bios or drivers.
Okay, I can see your concern, so here is my suggestion for you--download the omega driver set here (http://www.omegacorner.com/index.html)

When you run the install, tell it to install the 9500 pro "hacked" driver. What that will do (should do) is enable you to overclock your card.

Keep us updated. B)

[Wolfmight]

ok, i'll try em out

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Wolfmight+20 October 2003 - 01:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wolfmight &#064; 20 October 2003 - 01:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by adamp2p@19 October 2003 - 18:13
<!--QuoteBegin-Wolfmight@20 October 2003 - 00:26
yea, i clicked yes on that confirm window.. then i clicked apply.
i ran an aquamark test.. the results showed the original speeds.. not my overclocked ones. I&#39;m guessing i need Warp11&#39;s ATi Radeon 9500 Pro Beta BIOS. It says Beta though.. i am scared of that word when it comes to bios or drivers.
Okay, I can see your concern, so here is my suggestion for you--download the omega driver set here (http://www.omegacorner.com/index.html)

When you run the install, tell it to install the 9500 pro "hacked" driver. What that will do (should do) is enable you to overclock your card.

Keep us updated. B)
ok, but i wish it had VPU recover.. that&#39;d help if the comp Tryed to restart on me.[/b][/quote]
It does&#33; Included is the entire ATI control panel too. You will be a lot happier, there are also some other tools included, but they are your option when you install them, like Radclock (which personally I dont really like compared to the overclclocker in Rage3d tweak).

JUST MAKE SURE TO UNINSTALL THE ATI CONTROL PANEL FIRST&#33;

And also run driver cleaner too&#33;

[Wolfmight]

Originally posted by adamp2p+19 October 2003 - 18:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p &#064; 19 October 2003 - 18:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Wolfmight@20 October 2003 - 01:30

Originally posted by adamp2p@19 October 2003 - 18:13
<!--QuoteBegin-Wolfmight@20 October 2003 - 00:26
yea, i clicked yes on that confirm window.. then i clicked apply.
i ran an aquamark test.. the results showed the original speeds.. not my overclocked ones. I&#39;m guessing i need Warp11&#39;s ATi Radeon 9500 Pro Beta BIOS. It says Beta though.. i am scared of that word when it comes to bios or drivers.
Okay, I can see your concern, so here is my suggestion for you--download the omega driver set here (http://www.omegacorner.com/index.html)

When you run the install, tell it to install the 9500 pro "hacked" driver. What that will do (should do) is enable you to overclock your card.

Keep us updated. B)
ok, but i wish it had VPU recover.. that&#39;d help if the comp Tryed to restart on me.
It does&#33; Included is the entire ATI control panel too. You will be a lot happier, there are also some other tools included, but they are your option when you install them, like Radclock (which personally I dont really like compared to the overclclocker in Rage3d tweak).

JUST MAKE SURE TO UNINSTALL THE ATI CONTROL PANEL FIRST&#33;

And also run driver cleaner too&#33; [/b][/quote]
Yea i did those both.
I just did about 6 benchmarks. I&#39;m at 372mhz core right now.. no artifacts. (my max limit is gonna be 400mhz, but i&#39;m gonna start goin 1-3mhz at a time to be safe)
btw noticed alot windows and stuff open like Really faster too.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Wolfmight+20 October 2003 - 02:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wolfmight @ 20 October 2003 - 02:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by adamp2p@19 October 2003 - 18:32

Originally posted by Wolfmight@20 October 2003 - 01:30

Originally posted by adamp2p@19 October 2003 - 18:13
<!--QuoteBegin-Wolfmight@20 October 2003 - 00:26
yea, i clicked yes on that confirm window.. then i clicked apply.
i ran an aquamark test.. the results showed the original speeds.. not my overclocked ones. I&#39;m guessing i need Warp11&#39;s ATi Radeon 9500 Pro Beta BIOS. It says Beta though.. i am scared of that word when it comes to bios or drivers.
Okay, I can see your concern, so here is my suggestion for you--download the omega driver set here (http://www.omegacorner.com/index.html)

When you run the install, tell it to install the 9500 pro "hacked" driver. What that will do (should do) is enable you to overclock your card.

Keep us updated. B)
ok, but i wish it had VPU recover.. that&#39;d help if the comp Tryed to restart on me.
It does&#33; Included is the entire ATI control panel too. You will be a lot happier, there are also some other tools included, but they are your option when you install them, like Radclock (which personally I dont really like compared to the overclclocker in Rage3d tweak).

JUST MAKE SURE TO UNINSTALL THE ATI CONTROL PANEL FIRST&#33;

And also run driver cleaner too&#33;
Yea i did those both.
I just did about 6 benchmarks. I&#39;m at 372mhz core right now.. no artifacts. (my max limit is gonna be 400mhz, but i&#39;m gonna start goin 1-3mhz at a time to be safe)
btw noticed alot windows and stuff open like Really faster too. [/b][/quote]
WHOA&#33; Cool it there dude&#33; I am plenty satisfied at 360&#33; Be careful&#33;

So what do you think of Omega&#39;s drivers? Purty nice, eh?

[Wolfmight]

Alright check these out:

Old Aquamark Score before overclock: http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1492313201

New Aquamark Score after overclock: http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1654436915

Old: 24810
New: 27082

Yea, i stopped at CM: 378 / 276 MHz because when i did a benchmark at 386 / 283 my moniter went off so i turned the computer off and let it cool.

The computer has been on for a couple of days without standby also.. lol i&#39;m really riskin there :ph34r:

Notice my GFX on the new one is allmost the same as my CPU.
If i had a 3.0ghz cpu and 1gb ram, we could just see what mobos are faster.

Hey, my Maximal Triangles per Second is higher than yours for some reason as i was lookin carefully: (you can look also)

Mine: 29026165
Yours: 28023904

must be because of the 9500 pro.

also, my Minimal Frames per Second is about the very same.
I&#39;m gonna look into gettin a faster amd cpu cause my current mobo is very new, so upgradeing will be easy.

hehe, my school has these 1.8ghz dells that run extremely slow for some reason. damn script kiddies make the school all waste theyre money.

[adamp2p]

Wow&#33; That is a pretty nice improvement, but I have one suggestion for you: I think the best and most stable settings for our particular cards 350 on the core and around 290 on the memory. That should get you the best performance without any image problems.

If you noticed in the properties of your card Windows XP thinks that you have a 9700 pro. That is why you are running so well.

If I were you I would not overclock much over 350 MHz (core) for more than an hour. However, you could definately be stable at 330 MHz core and 290 MHz mem for several hours no problem. That is my experience.

So --what do you think of Omega&#39;s little optimizations?

Like em?

Oh, yeah, I forgot&#33; Don&#39;t forget and check the compatibility tabs in Open GL and Direct 3d because you need to make sure that "direct x textures" tab is selected. And don&#39;t forget to check the open GL compatibility tab and try different settings with triple buffering and 24 bit buffer.

BTW, when are you going to get a better CPU? A Barton 2500+ would definatlely improve your graphics&#33; Is that compatible with your motherboard? It&#39;s 85 bucks. Cant you scrape that together?:)

I am sure with a better CPU (not to mention some more ram) your score would kick mine&#33; http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/kaboom.gif

256 mb definately limits your score&#33;

[adamp2p]

Wolfmight, are you comparing: This score (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1458168219)

with

this score? (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?runID=1654436915)

Apparently the only reason I am scoring higher than you is due to my CPU and physical ram. I actually have 2 128 mb 400MHz sticks that I don&#39;t use. If you want them, I can send them to you and you can pay me later (&#036;30 for both?) I trust you and you don&#39;t have to pay me right away. They should run fine at a lower speed. However, they are CL3 sticks. Just PM me if you want them. Don&#39;t worry--I wont take it personally if you don&#39;t them...lol.

That is apparent throught the CPU scores. Keep in mind my card is virtually exactly the same card as yours--I just activated the 4 idle pixel pipelines by using the "hacked driver" that is in the Omega set. (Oh, and I paid only &#036;140 US) ( http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/harhar.gif )

[Wolfmight]

I&#39;ve heard alot of people useing the 9500 pro at 400mhz core. (only lasts like 30 mins though lol)
Does your 9500 nonpro have that Extra Power cable connection that it needs in order to run? If not, those 4 extra pixel pipelines might not be running as fast as they should be maybe. I&#39;m not sure.

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Wolfmight@20 October 2003 - 05:07
I&#39;ve heard alot of people useing the 9500 pro at 400mhz core. (only lasts like 30 mins though lol)
Do you know that 400 MHz core = 800 MHz DDR?

Nope, dude...I am chilling at 350 MHz core and 290 MHz memory. That is the speed my card really likes. I can feel it.

[Wolfmight]

Originally posted by adamp2p+19 October 2003 - 22:08--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p &#064; 19 October 2003 - 22:08)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Wolfmight@20 October 2003 - 05:07
I&#39;ve heard alot of people useing the 9500 pro at 400mhz core. (only lasts like 30 mins though lol)
Do you know that 400 MHz core = 800 MHz DDR?

Nope, dude...I am chilling at 350 MHz core and 290 MHz memory. That is the speed my card really likes. I can feel it. [/b][/quote]
Yea, These graphics cards run like CPUs. Can u help me find some info on how to fix my Tv Wonder Ve? http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=75127
I&#39;d appreciate it very much.. no one seems to know much about them here :(

[adamp2p]

Originally posted by Wolfmight+20 October 2003 - 05:13--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wolfmight &#064; 20 October 2003 - 05:13)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by adamp2p@19 October 2003 - 22:08
<!--QuoteBegin-Wolfmight@20 October 2003 - 05:07
I&#39;ve heard alot of people useing the 9500 pro at 400mhz core. (only lasts like 30 mins though lol)
Do you know that 400 MHz core = 800 MHz DDR?

Nope, dude...I am chilling at 350 MHz core and 290 MHz memory. That is the speed my card really likes. I can feel it.
Yea, These graphics cards run like CPUs. Can u help me find some info on how to fix my Tv Wonder Ve? http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=75127
I&#39;d appreciate it very much.. no one seems to know much about them here :( [/b][/quote]
No I really do not know much about them...but you would very likely find your answer at the www.xbitlabs.com forums. They are a very wise bunch when it comes to computer hardware. They generally respond very quickly (BTW that is where I asked about which card to get and they pointed me in the direction of the 9500 non pro and then proceeded to point me in the direction of the mod to pro, which could not have worked out better).

The point: go register in their forum and ask your question. I bet you they know what to do. Go ask in the general hardware forum; that is where the most of them look. B)

linkage (http://www.xbitlabs.com/)