Fat32 & Ntfs?

[o_ICEMAN_o]

whats the diferance between this 2?

[sparsely]

security, support for larger partitions, and more efficient structure are some...but others have written much about it
already. Use Google next time :rolleyes:

some info (http://www.novelex.com/techtip.asp)

[ultimatejester]

Well. The main thing is that in order to use any of the fancy stuff on XP or W2000..you have to go with ntfs. By fancy stuff I mean..compression, encryption, dynamic disks and some or all of the security permissions etc.
Also, ntfs stores another copy of the master boot record (mbr) besides the one at the first sector....to be honest, im not sure how to explain it, but it makes ntfs a little safer, lol. (In other words I dont know if ntfs heals itself if the first mbr gets corrupted or if we have to do it thru commands etc)

Finf more info here http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm

[ooo]

i personally find fat32 to get more errors... but it seems better since nfts takes up alot more space... it allocates space up for system files... i don't get that...

nfts can see a fat32 drive but a fat32 drive cant see a nfts drive... that's just how it is

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by o_ICEMAN_o@18 October 2003 - 03:00
whats the diferance between this 2?
ntfs fer business, fat32 fer home.

[exeus]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+18 October 2003 - 14:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 18 October 2003 - 14:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-o_ICEMAN_o@18 October 2003 - 03:00
whats the diferance between this 2?
ntfs fer business, fat32 fer home. [/b][/quote]
so i take it us home users should also be useing windows 95 b.....?
also an os eg win98 with fat32 can see ntfs with an add on prog

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by exeus+18 October 2003 - 03:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (exeus @ 18 October 2003 - 03:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 14:31
<!--QuoteBegin-o_ICEMAN_o@18 October 2003 - 03:00
whats the diferance between this 2?
ntfs fer business, fat32 fer home.
so i take it us home users should also be useing windows 95 b.....?
also an os eg win98 with fat32 can see ntfs with an add on prog [/b][/quote]
no - fat32 on winxp fer home - :D

[exeus]

but fat32 was first released with 95b so if you should still use fat32 you still use 95b........... or if you would like to use a new OS you should also use a new file system surely......

[o_ICEMAN_o]

Thx alot for the info peeps :) but i think i stick whit fat32 ;)

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by exeus@18 October 2003 - 03:50
but fat32 was first released with 95b so if you should still use fat32 you still use 95b........... or if you would like to use a new OS you should also use a new file system surely......
new file system? NTFS? NTFS was introduced w/windows NT - hence the name - Windows New Technology, New Technology File System.

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by o_ICEMAN_o@18 October 2003 - 04:04
Thx alot for the info peeps :) but i think i stick whit fat32 ;)
good choice - ;)

[o_ICEMAN_o]

:D

[sparsely]

some people have no sense, it seems....

Why would you buy a ,nice new car body, with an old, out-dated engine.

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+18 October 2003 - 04:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 18 October 2003 - 04:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-exeus@18 October 2003 - 03:50
but fat32 was first released with 95b so if you should still use fat32 you still use 95b........... or if you would like to use a new OS you should also use a new file system surely......
new file system? NTFS? NTFS was introduced w/windows NT - hence the name - Windows New Technology, New Technology File System. [/b][/quote]
:rolleyes:

[clocker]

I really don&#39;t trust these new fangled file systems.
I think they are all hype.

The system that came with Windows BOB is by far the best...
http://www.comet.ucar.edu/presentations/interactivity96/filecab.gif
I need to defrag....

[abu_has_the_power]

doesn&#39;t ntfs manage ur space and speed of hd better than fat? that&#39;s wat i heard

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by Sparsely@18 October 2003 - 04:27
some people have no sense, it seems....

Why would you buy a ,nice new car body, with an old, out-dated engine.
fat32 is leaner and faster than NTFS. if u want proof, just ask and i&#39;ll provide - :D

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@18 October 2003 - 04:36
doesn&#39;t ntfs manage ur space and speed of hd better than fat? that&#39;s wat i heard
hell no - just the opposite.

[abu_has_the_power]

so ntfs sucks compared to fat32? cuz there used to be another thread here about this, and everyone agreed that ntfs rapes fat32&#39;s ass.

[clocker]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+17 October 2003 - 21:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 17 October 2003 - 21:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sparsely@18 October 2003 - 04:27
some people have no sense, it seems....

Why would you buy a ,nice new car body, with an old, out-dated engine.
fat32 is leaner and faster than NTFS. if u want proof, just ask and i&#39;ll provide - :D [/b][/quote]
Okay, I&#39;ll bite....
Prove it.

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by clocker@18 October 2003 - 04:45
Okay, I&#39;ll bite....
Prove it.
dammit. gimme a min&#33;

[kurtsl0an]

okay, first of all, realize that most friggin articles on "FAT32 vs. NTFS" r as old as the hills, since both files sytems r 2. fer some reason, most people didn&#39;t know about NTFS until Win2000 - but it has been around LONGER than FAT32. this is an excerpt from a NTFS vs. FAT32 article on a ZDNET forum:

Fat 32 is faster.

NTFS use encryption (or you can download encryption apps for FAT32)

If you are editing large files (over 4gb) you need NTFS.

FAT 32 and NTFS are both stable with XP.

You can try FAT32 and if you decide to convert to NTFS you won&#39;t have problems...if you start with NTFS you could corrupt your files by converting to FAT32...even with Partition Magic 8 (read the HELP .pdf files).

If you are dual booting with 98 then you need to use FAT32 if you want to share files.

If you want to do a large FAT 32 partitions you need to fdisk first and choose FAT32 ...then install XP and choose FAT 32. If you don&#39;t fdisk first (or use a 3rd party app)...XP will limit the partition to 32GB...(or is that 36gb?)

personally, I would suggest FAT32 since you can convert to NTFS if you want to.

If you go with NTFS make sure you download SP1 (but make a restore point first)...it has NTFS fixes.

(NTFS drastically slowed down my system...for others, it makes no difference at all and they prefer it)

[clocker]

Five minutes later....

Nada. <_<


F*ck...snuck in right under my post.
Sneaky bastard.

Okay then... in the real world what difference might I expect to see if I switch back to FAT 32? How could I quantitatively measure the diff?

Why is there air?

[kurtsl0an]

NTFS does slow down system perfomance - that is a fact. it&#39;s because of the file security it has 2 offer - unlike FAT32. that&#39;s y i say NTFS at work, but FAT32 at home. do u really need 2 specify file security at home?

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by clocker@18 October 2003 - 04:56
Five minutes later....

Nada. <_<
i posted b4 u clock&#33; :lol:

[clocker]

How large a partition can FAT32 deal with?

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by clocker@18 October 2003 - 05:01
How large a partition can FAT32 deal with?
bout 2 TB&#39;s - that&#39;s what i mean by most articles bein old

this 1 says u need NTFS fer anything larger than 4GB&#39;s, but i have FAT32 on my single partititoned 160GB drive right now - :)

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 04:58
NTFS does slow down system perfomance - that is a fact. it&#39;s because of the file security it has 2 offer - unlike FAT32. that&#39;s y i say NTFS at work, but FAT32 at home. do u really need 2 specify file security at home?
well, does this kind of security protect u from riaa and shitheads like them?

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+18 October 2003 - 05:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 18 October 2003 - 05:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 04:58
NTFS does slow down system perfomance - that is a fact.&nbsp; it&#39;s because of the file security it has 2 offer - unlike FAT32.&nbsp; that&#39;s y i say NTFS at work, but FAT32 at home.&nbsp; do u really need 2 specify file security at home?
well, does this kind of security protect u from riaa and shitheads like them? [/b][/quote]
i guess only if u enable it - which i guarantee no1 does&#33;

[Wolfmight]

NTFS is faster.. for big hardrives

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by Wolfmight@18 October 2003 - 06:30
NTFS is faster.. for big hardrives
yea, i was thinking in those lines as well. i have a 120gb, and i&#39;m only using 1 partition, cuz i really don&#39;t have that much to do with 2 partitions. sure it&#39;s fun and interesting, but not very practical when all i&#39;m gona do is dl, watch, listen, play, and edit stuff. ok, maybe a bit practical, but 2 lazy to do it now

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+18 October 2003 - 05:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 18 October 2003 - 05:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@18 October 2003 - 05:06
<!--QuoteBegin-kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 04:58
NTFS does slow down system perfomance - that is a fact. it&#39;s because of the file security it has 2 offer - unlike FAT32. that&#39;s y i say NTFS at work, but FAT32 at home. do u really need 2 specify file security at home?
well, does this kind of security protect u from riaa and shitheads like them?
i guess only if u enable it - which i guarantee no1 does&#33; [/b][/quote]
do u mean encrypting the files so riaa can&#39;t c them? i can do that with stegnos security suite. hide all my stuff behind a picture. if not, wat kind of security do u mean?

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by Wolfmight@18 October 2003 - 06:30
NTFS is faster.. for big hardrives
that&#39;s a big negative ghost rider&#33;

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+18 October 2003 - 06:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power &#064; 18 October 2003 - 06:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 05:09

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@18 October 2003 - 05:06
<!--QuoteBegin-kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 04:58
NTFS does slow down system perfomance - that is a fact. it&#39;s because of the file security it has 2 offer - unlike FAT32. that&#39;s y i say NTFS at work, but FAT32 at home. do u really need 2 specify file security at home?
well, does this kind of security protect u from riaa and shitheads like them?
i guess only if u enable it - which i guarantee no1 does&#33;
do u mean encrypting the files so riaa can&#39;t c them? i can do that with stegnos security suite. hide all my stuff behind a picture. if not, wat kind of security do u mean? [/b][/quote]
sorry fer the delayed response - i&#39;m talking bout right clickin a directory and specifically assigning rights 2 it. have u done that? NTFS allows u 2 do it per file, FAT32 allows u 2 do it per folder.

[exeus]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+18 October 2003 - 15:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an &#064; 18 October 2003 - 15:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 04:09
<!--QuoteBegin-exeus@18 October 2003 - 03:50
but fat32 was first released with 95b so if you should still use fat32 you still use 95b........... or if you would like to use a new OS you should also use a new file system surely......
new file system? NTFS? NTFS was introduced w/windows NT - hence the name - Windows New Technology, New Technology File System.
:rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
i really dont see what you mean by that......New Tech F Sys yer i knew that and yes for NT but m&#036; has revised, done work on, updated NTFS. windows 2000 and Xp are bulit on nt so you are saying if you have 2000, xp you should use ntfs???

EDIT:Bad spelling even for me :)

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by exeus+18 October 2003 - 07:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (exeus @ 18 October 2003 - 07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 15:31

Originally posted by kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 04:09
<!--QuoteBegin-exeus@18 October 2003 - 03:50
but fat32 was first released with 95b so if you should still use fat32 you still use 95b........... or if you would like to use a new OS you should also use a new file system surely......
new file system? NTFS? NTFS was introduced w/windows NT - hence the name - Windows New Technology, New Technology File System.
:rolleyes:
i really dont see what you mean by that......New Tech F Sys yer i knew that and yes for NT but m&#036; has revised, done work on, updated NTFS. windows 2000 and Xp are bulit on nt so you are saying if you have 2000, xp you should use ntfs???

EDIT:Bad spelling even for me :) [/b][/quote]
no - only saying that FAT32 has also been updated since win95b... :D

updated fer the home user 2 save space and move quicker....

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by exeus+18 October 2003 - 07:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (exeus @ 18 October 2003 - 07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 15:31

Originally posted by kurtsl0an@18 October 2003 - 04:09
<!--QuoteBegin-exeus@18 October 2003 - 03:50
but fat32 was first released with 95b so if you should still use fat32 you still use 95b........... or if you would like to use a new OS you should also use a new file system surely......
new file system? NTFS? NTFS was introduced w/windows NT - hence the name - Windows New Technology, New Technology File System.
:rolleyes:
i really dont see what you mean by that......New Tech F Sys yer i knew that and yes for NT but m&#036; has revised, done work on, updated NTFS. windows 2000 and Xp are bulit on nt so you are saying if you have 2000, xp you should use ntfs???

EDIT:Bad spelling even for me :) [/b][/quote]
btw - 2000 and xp r built on nt&#39;s kernel, not their file system.

[MUSLEMAN]

ntfs all you need to know is that it stores more and has less chance of corruption, http://mes.smilies.free.fr/smilies/google.gif and find the rest later

@clocker time to run that disk keeperhttp://mes.smilies.free.fr/smilies/hahohi.gif


oh and download like a prayer and tell me what you get

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by MUSLEMAN@18 October 2003 - 07:57
ntfs all you need to know is that it stores more and has less chance of corruption, http://mes.smilies.free.fr/smilies/google.gif and find the rest later

@clocker time to run that disk keeperhttp://mes.smilies.free.fr/smilies/hahohi.gif


oh and download like a prayer and tell me what you get
sorry MM - if u say NTFS is better than FAT32 fer home usage, i just lost all respect fer u.

NTFS IS ONLY FOR SECURITY PURPOSES - WHEN R U PEOPLE GONNA LEARN THAT - :P

[MUSLEMAN]

now in day every thing is moving toward ntfs i bet your os is running it

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by MUSLEMAN@18 October 2003 - 08:08
now in day every thing is moving toward ntfs i bet your os is running it
negative ghost rider, the pattern is full....

fat32 brother.

[MUSLEMAN]

ok boss i won&#39;t argue with you http://www.klboard.ath.cx/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif

[3RA1N1AC]

"Disk compression:
NTFS has native built in disk compression available. With FAT you must use a file compression algorythm of some sort. Hundreds out there, none can do what NTFS does: Right-click a NTFS folder, choose Properties, Advanced, tick the "compress" block, click ok and close, and everything in that folder past and future get&#39;s compressed, while still visible to the OS as if not compressed. No more unzipping 5 .dll files to re-run that old compressed application."

you can gain a pretty good chunk of space by compressing your secondary hard drives where speed is not essential. i wouldn&#39;t compress the C: drive because it would slow the system down, but if you&#39;ve got an HD that has nothing but movies or music, by all means go ahead and compress it.

[Kunal]

NTFS is far better, alot faster for me too.

NTFS is newer than FAT32, FAT32 came with 95B And NTFS with WinNT SP4/5

EDIT: if nfts was so sh*t why would ms be using it in longhorn?

[sparsely]

Damn.
It&#39;s sad to see people arguing about something that no nothing about it at all.
/me stays away from this thread.

[cwctv]

Damn.
It&#39;s sad to see people arguing about something that no nothing about it at all.
/me stays away from this thread.

Yeah I thought that too but I have this thing if it works done f*** with it mine works (fat32) and I don&#39;t get hammered with all these virus&#39;s etc the tosses (hackers) now go for ntfs why&#33; too many bugs,thank you Microsoft yes one day I might have to upgrade but till then I will carry on surfing and not having to ask people in here "whats wrong with my machine I have just upgraded and have this problem" see what I mean.
Heres one of hundreds who have problems,
http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=74478

[3RA1N1AC]

Originally posted by cwctv@18 October 2003 - 03:21
Yeah I thought that too but I have this thing if it works done f*** with it mine works (fat32) and I don&#39;t get hammered with all these virus&#39;s etc the tosses (hackers) now go for ntfs why&#33; too many bugs,thank you Microsoft yes one day I might have to upgrade but till then I will carry on surfing and not having to ask people in here "whats wrong with my machine I have just upgraded and have this problem" see what I mean.
Heres one of hundreds who have problems,
http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=74478
that has nothing to do with NTFS.