Ways To Catch Pedophiles

[REDZULU2003]

I read a news article recent that P2P is mainly used for Child Porn when it comes down to what porn is coming in and out of the networks.

I had a discussion on PG website about this.

P2P Networks are getting ALOT of stick for this...breeding pedos basiclly sums it up......we are sharing networks with these animals.
I reckon this is some of the main reasons why the authorities are so against p2p..not just the music and videos but mainly the Child porn.

I think someone should think of ways to make software implemented into k-lite in the future that can log, catch DO SOMETHING to find the IP's of these individuals.

I am well-up on Internet Securirty....thats what I am good at when it comes to IT...unfortunalty I can not program....otherwise I would do summut by now.

I think we should think about making summut tho' it woul make our networks a much safer and fun place to be at, while also keeping the autorities happy.
I know full-well that if we could do this it would look super for K-Lite and p2p in genral.

I was thinking of a Key Logger device that logged all words assosiated with this taboo.
This could only be accessed by a few [The K-Lite makers].
Each version of k-lite would have this in it...and the keylogger would send the logs out to the admin....he could than look at it for these offensive words, or make the program in such a way that it sends the offensive logs priority.
Than the IP can be found and action taken.

I want to get this into action with someone, I have a big family and alot of them children.
Their must be parents here? against these monsters? than lets do this...make a side project for this.

[iMartin]

I agree, if we can find a way to catch pedo's, then people might get off our back about P2P.

[Mr. Blunt]

Even though I don't support Pedophiles, child porn, or anything that harms minors in any way. I don't agree with this suggestion at all.

These types of acts should be stopped, but we can't stop them 100%. We can only make it harder for them to find this type of content. Take the RIAA, they don't want us to download music, yet we still do. They release versions of songs that are fake and corrupted. We try to stop Pedophiles by setting up a filter and blocking certian keywords. They find a way around by deleting the filtered words, we find a way around the RIAA with verifieds.



I think someone should think of ways to make software implemented into k-lite in the future that can log, catch DO SOMETHING to find the IP's of these individuals.

How would we know that the IP addresses are being used for what are said? They can be used by anyone who can access the logs. For good and for bad.



I was thinking of a Key Logger device that logged all words assosiated with this taboo.
This could only be accessed by a few [The K-Lite makers].
Each version of k-lite would have this in it...and the keylogger would send the logs out to the admin....he could than look at it for these offensive words, or make the program in such a way that it sends the offensive logs priority.

I disagree. A Key Logger will give Kazaa Lite a bad name. This is a complete invasion of privacy. How do we know the key logger will only log keywords that are "offensive". It could be logging all of the keywords we search for. I know the K-Lite staff wouldn't do anything like this. But what about others? Could they get access to something like this? Sharmen Networks? RIAA? Anti-Piracy Companies?

[iMartin]

Originally posted by Mr. Blunt@19 October 2003 - 16:09
Even though I don't support Pedophiles, child porn, or anything that harms minors in any way. I don't agree with this suggestion at all.
I'm not really agreeing with it either, that would be alot of work for a couple of people, mainly because theres so much of this kiddie porn on P2P, but I definately think we should do something about child porn and pedo's.

[roccosi]

no, no, NO!

These things were discussed a while ago on the net,

once you have a logger, someone will put in it words like freedom ecc....

and on the pedos side they could simply rename their stuff into anything else, like "carwash" or "dogfood", or we shall start to call freedom in some other way ???

[ilw]

A secret key logger in klite :blink: that secretly sends information to the klite admins :blink: thats just plain nuts :huh:
I suggest you search and read the other anti-paedophile threads first, that way you won't duplicate ideas (though i don't think anyone ever went as far/daft as a key logger )

[DarkReality]

Yeah the problem with a hard coded blacklist, or even worse, spy bot, is not what you *think* you might turn up in the short term, it's what could happen in the long term.

Consider that K-Lite follows your suggestion. Some personal privacy group such as the EFF will post a huge story about how the Spyware free "hacked" version of Kazaa now has a Spy bot to catch people looking for child porn, which you define by a set number of keywords, such as those in the filter.

First of all, I would refuse to update. KL++ 2.4.3 works fine for me, and I don't have to worry that if I type in a word on the block list, Big Brother will know about it. Not that I plan on typing in any of *those* words, but imagine this.

K-Lite now has a means to bust people when they download stuff. All RIAA has to do now is give them a long list of illegal file names they have subpoena'd, and force K-Lite to implement that list. What the fuck good is K-Lite now?

Also, another point is that the problem with KP on K-Lite is that, as sick as it sounds, both KP and downloading music/software/movies are both illegal, in the eyes of the law, though they are of very different severities. So for one to go after the other is somewhat hypocritical.

Furthermore, part of the allure of P2P is you can literally get *anything* anyone has on their computer. It's wonderful, for all the good things you can get with it. However, there are probably always going to be people that trade that shit. Luckily, K-Lite comes with very good KP filters. If you don't disable them, you should never see KP in your searches. So in that regard, it's not really "in your face" as it would be with say, Kazaa MD 2.5. I highly doubt Sharman has KP filters; if a pedophile clicks an ad it's just as good as if a movie lover clicked the ad. They want to get everyone on that they can, downloading whatever they want. That's how advertising agencies like Sharman work.

Now before I get flamed for playing devil's advocate, here is my suggestion for fighting online pedophilia. I think first of all America, Europe, and all the big countries need to create a worldwide task force to fight the creation of and trade of KP. This worldwide task force with international authority would then do what the RIAA is doing. They would search out the most popular KP videos, for example by disabling the K-Lite filter, and searching for those terms. They would then download from as many sources as possible, and take out the people that are intentionally sharing it and getting it out there. Once that happens, what has happened with music will happen with KP. People will mostly stop sharing it. Thus, pedophiles will leave p2p and instead use trade networks like Direct Connect, that allow them to more personally interact with their traders.

[roccosi]

Originally posted by DarkReality@21 October 2003 - 03:11
Also, another point is that the problem with KP on K-Lite is that, as sick as it sounds, both KP and downloading music/software/movies are both illegal, in the eyes of the law, though they are of very different severities. So for one to go after the other is somewhat hypocritical.

Also, another point is: why all those pedos on the net?

cause there are many pedos?

or because "someone" needs them to stop all ???

[Switeck]

Originally posted by DarkReality@20 October 2003 - 21:11
I think first of all America, Europe, and all the big countries need to create a worldwide task force to fight the creation of and trade of KP. This worldwide task force with international authority would then do what the RIAA is doing. They would search out the most popular KP videos, for example by disabling the K-Lite filter, and searching for those terms. They would then download from as many sources as possible, and take out the people that are intentionally sharing it and getting it out there. Once that happens, what has happened with music will happen with KP. People will mostly stop sharing it. Thus, pedophiles will leave p2p and instead use trade networks like Direct Connect, that allow them to more personally interact with their traders.
Just such national task forces have already been organized. And they DO work together internationally -- especially USA, Canada, UK, and Australia.

And MANY pedos are ALREADY using semi-secret password-based trade networks instead of OPEN SHARING networks like fasttrack/gnutella/gnutella2/e-donkey/winmx/etc.

Saying we should ban cars or put more monitoring devices in them because they can EASILY be used to illegally haul illegal goods accross state lines is equally nuts -- but try telling that to lawmakers! They've already gotten on their power trip of total control for OUR protection anyway. :angry:

[REDZULU2003]

Hi again all.
Sorry for the long reply.

I aint a wizz-kid at this like some of you so forgive me for the Key-logger idea.
It was just a suggestion I know bits about.

I understand fully about names being changed....damn how could we help nail these bastards????

I certainly would love to work on ways to catch them.

[-Crono-]
I know your making , working on a network for p2p.
Maybe any thoughts ideas on these measures to catch pedos?
We cant prevent it, so lets catch them?

It would give P2P some slack...I know I deal with the Police in my line of work....if you sratch their backs they will scratch yours.

P2P thus could get a better name...okay it still shares illegal stuff, i.e. games but we wouldnt be slammed as bad like we are......like a porn mad society....it aint like that at all.

All of you here.......ALL OF YOU must have ideas on how to help prevent and catch these scums??
Than you must help guys like [-Crono-] who are making new things.

Their has tobe away.

As for this Password thingy that these monsters use....how about this for p2p?
Preventing any announamous proxys that these peeps may use also.

I know their is light on the other side..,,it just may take alot of work to find it.
I am VERY KEEN in helping out in this, security fields on ANY P2P network or app, especially you [-Crono-], by the way I e-mailed you and I have like 5MB of space on my host, I can FREE up ALOT more to make at least 12MB.

Its ALL yours if you want....of course I will still be in-control I suppose...it be mine and all LOL....but it would be for the network your making.

PM if ya can on this.

cyaz soon

[DarkReality]

Look, you guys really wanna go after pedophiles? OK. Do this.

First of all open K-Lite, go to Search. Click on Search Filter. Find the kiddie porn terms that are blocked. Now open Notepad. Copy the KP filter into Notepad, now delete it from K-Lite. Your K-Lite can now receive KP search results.

Now search for any of those terms in Kazaa, probably under Video.

Look for a file with a lot of sources, and download it. I never said this was gonna be easy, legal, or safe.

Now, while the file is downloading, continually do "Find More Sources."

Pause (but do not cancel) the file before it reaches 1MB. Likely you will have paused it before any video data has transferred to your PC.

Now open K-Dat. You can now get a list of the IPs of all the people that were sharing that file.

Repeat as necessary until you have as many IPs as you want.

I have no idea where you can turn them in for brownie points, but if you want some fun, you can use the Windows Messenger feature to scare them.

In Control Panel choose System. Under Computer Name, make it something authorative. Such as Child Crimes Investigation Unit. Now make your Workgroup something like USA FBI. You will have to reboot for these changes to take effect.

Use Messenger by opening a command prompt and typing NET SEND [ip] [message]. Your message can be, I think, up to 150 characters, and you can only send them one at a time.

Now for protecting yourself. Now that you have your IPs, cancel the download. Now go get something like Evidence Eliminator to wipe your free space, so someone can't undelete that partial download later, and accuse you of being a perv.

[BiLLy_BloggZ]

Originally posted by DarkReality@22 October 2003 - 00:01
Look, you guys really wanna go after pedophiles? OK. Do this.

First of all open K-Lite, go to Search. Click on Search Filter. Find the kiddie porn terms that are blocked. Now open Notepad. Copy the KP filter into Notepad, now delete it from K-Lite. Your K-Lite can now receive KP search results.

Now search for any of those terms in Kazaa, probably under Video.

Look for a file with a lot of sources, and download it. I never said this was gonna be easy, legal, or safe.

Now, while the file is downloading, continually do "Find More Sources."

Pause (but do not cancel) the file before it reaches 1MB. Likely you will have paused it before any video data has transferred to your PC.

Now open K-Dat. You can now get a list of the IPs of all the people that were sharing that file.

Repeat as necessary until you have as many IPs as you want.

I have no idea where you can turn them in for brownie points, but if you want some fun, you can use the Windows Messenger feature to scare them.

In Control Panel choose System. Under Computer Name, make it something authorative. Such as Child Crimes Investigation Unit. Now make your Workgroup something like USA FBI. You will have to reboot for these changes to take effect.

Use Messenger by opening a command prompt and typing NET SEND [ip] [message]. Your message can be, I think, up to 150 characters, and you can only send them one at a time.

Now for protecting yourself. Now that you have your IPs, cancel the download. Now go get something like Evidence Eliminator to wipe your free space, so someone can't undelete that partial download later, and accuse you of being a perv.
although it would be very amusing to fuck with those pedos already fucked up heads, doing that doesnt make much of a difference in the long run.

The only way i would know of how to deal with this is to use the RIAAs tactics and make millions of fake blank files lablled as kiddie porn files and share them. If enogh people did this, peadofiles would stop using the network because its no longer a reliable source to get there sick porn.

[REDZULU2003]

Ways shall be found to catch and verify these weirdos.

[true_neo]

The reason I disagree with this suggestion is:
How often have the file descriptions been off?
I have dled my fair share of porn, none of it being this sick shit, but sometimes the description reads so (found out after DL). The video itself were NEVER cp, but sometimes the description reads so.
A way to halt these sick mofos you want?
Make a hidden filter in KLK++. One that NONE other than the programmers could reach, and that too being password protected. That filter would contain those words.
Thus even if a pedo deleted the keywords from the user defined filter, the words would still be banned.
But of course, there may be vids that SHOW cp even tho desciption and filename is off. The solution?
Unchangeable descritions.
Now I know that this cant be accomplished without the source code, but it is the only way, IMO.

[Marztabator]

Look, will you please stop acting all "omg omg kill dem sick b@stards" like? It bores me already.

[killer04]

What about lesbeans?

[REDZULU2003]

Dont be so pathetic.

I am strong for this as I have alot of younger members in the family, they use kazaa, even with filters and shit on nuthing is guranteed.
Also some of the teens in the family use it, they may look up porn and I dont want sick crap cumming up.

For fucks sake how can you get bored of a topic like this?????????? This is the real-world son.

If we could do summut about this and put our heads together instead of being so negative and 'My privacy oh my privacy' than we could get somewhere.......would you like your kids to be exposed to this filth???? alot of the Harry-Potter files are now Pedo material...its getting worse.

As a human being we should try as much as we can...but if you dont than fine, at least the other guy here that is making his own P2P Network is all for it...and thats what counts.

cya

[SlimShady]

Originally posted by REDZULU2003@23 October 2003 - 18:18
Dont be so pathetic.

I am strong for this as I have alot of younger members in the family, they use kazaa, even with filters and shit on nuthing is guranteed.
Also some of the teens in the family use it, they may look up porn and I dont want sick crap cumming up.

For fucks sake how can you get bored of a topic like this?????????? This is the real-world son.

If we could do summut about this and put our heads together instead of being so negative and 'My privacy oh my privacy' than we could get somewhere.......would you like your kids to be exposed to this filth???? alot of the Harry-Potter files are now Pedo material...its getting worse.

As a human being we should try as much as we can...but if you dont than fine, at least the other guy here that is making his own P2P Network is all for it...and thats what counts.

cya
I totally agree. Let me think....
But the problem is that it's almost impossible to catch/block pedophiles.
The only way is to download that sick stuff and create a blacklist from all the people who download that crap from you.
If only one person did the trick above, it would take ages to create a big list...

I don't know, I'm just saying.
I hope you find an ultimate solution to block those sick people.

(btw I wish they were all in jail by now, d*mn I hate those sick bastards)
Why doesn't the government think of something to catch 'em :flame:

[Switeck]

Originally posted by REDZULU2003@23 October 2003 - 12:18
Dont be so pathetic.

I am strong for this as I have alot of younger members in the family, they use kazaa, even with filters and shit on nuthing is guranteed.
Also some of the teens in the family use it, they may look up porn and I dont want sick crap cumming up.
Compaired to the spam emails I get on my primary email account, the typical junk I ACCIDENTALLY find on Kazaa Lite K++ is almost tame by comparison...

But the music and movie industry are looking to kill p2p file sharing, not email -- despite there being a worse problem on the latter rather than the former!

They don't want to fix the child porn problem -- they just want an excuse to kill something out of their control that they perceive as ONLY hurting their profits. (...despite the fact that many small bands almost HAVE to depend on word-of-mouth and MP3 downloads to get them going.)

[The Knife Thrower]

Would anyone like it if every single room in there house had a live cam connected to a government computer and tracking devices on every single person. No you wouldn't. But it would practically stop all child abuse. More extreme than a keylogger but the same principle.

We can't be denied freedoms because a very small amount of people abuse them.

[Mr. Blunt]

But of course, there may be vids that SHOW cp even tho desciption and filename is off. The solution?
Unchangeable descritions.

What about those descriptions that NEED to be changed. We can't have files with fake descriptions running around the FT Network. Files claiming not to be child porn, yet they still are.


Look, will you please stop acting all "omg omg kill dem sick b@stards" like? It bores me already.

If you don't enter threads like this you won't see our discussions. Don't be a stupid ass and use your head. :rolleyes:



What about lesbeans?

And what about them? Don't post unless you have something releated to the discussion. This is how we get off topic.



The only way is to download that sick stuff and create a blacklist from all the people who download that crap from you.

Can I watch you be sent to jail? Your SPREADING this shit when you share it. It's illegal to share this content. They ain't going to believe you that your trying to help the children when your spreading this shit. How good will a blacklist do anyway? IP addresses change.



Would anyone like it if every single room in there house had a live cam connected to a government computer and tracking devices on every single person. No you wouldn't. But it would practically stop all child abuse. More extreme than a keylogger but the same principle.

We can't be denied freedoms because a very small amount of people abuse them.
Nicely put. ;)

[SlimShady]

It was just an idea (and I think the only way) I'm not saying I will do it (NEVER!).
I know it's illegal (duh!). If you have a better idea, post it!

[true_neo]

Originally posted by Mr. Blunt@24 October 2003 - 02:45


But of course, there may be vids that SHOW cp even tho desciption and filename is off. The solution?
Unchangeable descritions.

What about those descriptions that NEED to be changed. We can't have files with fake descriptions running around the FT Network. Files claiming not to be child porn, yet they still are.
The solution for that would be:
If we could get the hashing method eMule uses, then we could possibly also have locked descriptions.
This can then lead to a "fake warning system", where ppl can, when searcing for a file, place a tag on the file saying its fake, cp, bestiality or whatever.
Then in the program, there could be a message popping up saying "This file is [whatever it is that we dont want here]. You will be unable to download this file"

That way we can rid ourselves of cp. Of course, none of this is poss for KLK++ unless we get sum source code and a new hashing system.

[Switeck]

Originally posted by true_neo+24 October 2003 - 11:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (true_neo @ 24 October 2003 - 11:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mr. Blunt@24 October 2003 - 02:45


But of course, there may be vids that SHOW cp even tho desciption and filename is off. The solution?
Unchangeable descritions.

What about those descriptions that NEED to be changed. We can&#39;t have files with fake descriptions running around the FT Network. Files claiming not to be child porn, yet they still are.
The solution for that would be:
If we could get the hashing method eMule uses, then we could possibly also have locked descriptions.
This can then lead to a "fake warning system", where ppl can, when searcing for a file, place a tag on the file saying its fake, cp, bestiality or whatever.
Then in the program, there could be a message popping up saying "This file is [whatever it is that we dont want here]. You will be unable to download this file"

That way we can rid ourselves of cp. Of course, none of this is poss for KLK++ unless we get sum source code and a new hashing system. [/b][/quote]
...AND allow RIAA/MPAA/BSA to take over -- because they will say if you CAN block cp then you SHOULD ALSO block illegal sharing of copyrighted files.

[REDZULU2003]

Ignore the RIAA and the like.

I like the last idea about the hash system.

The only way I see thus far is unthinkable....I dont want this to be the answer, this is just ideas.

#1 K-lite or new P2P doesnt allow Pictures and Videos [This is mad I know, JUST IDEA].

#2 K-lite or new P2P makes a team of a few individuals interested in helping out with this./.they DL cp vids, but they dont dowload the whole thing, just some to get a IP add from the K-Sig software.

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If we were to-do #2 we would not DL the whooe file, infact it would be hardly any.
Just some so to pinpoint an IP.

After we get a Black list we can add them to PG....we all use PG right??? than it blocks these cunts...infact k-lite has its own blocklist in it against the RIAA, these IPS could be added to that so the Pedos in theory cant do anything on the network, to those with these updates.

These guys can also be reported as well.

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The Black List seems a good option, but I would gather its illegal to DL even a small file of this stuff, even tho it aint been viewed.
Also the minor problem is the IP adds change over time, but thats a small problem, if this worked it would be worth it.

IMHO its either #2 or we do summut extreme to the K-lite system or make our own network to put measures in......either way we need to get researching and post ideas.

What ya think of myn???

[Person]

Altough I agree cp is bad & shouldn&#39;t be distributed around p2p it is :(

BUT I think the logging system is a very bad idea as

1) Other people have already said if you can log one thing you can log it all.

2) What do you define as cp, is it nude images of preteens, under 18s, under 16s, or does something have to be happening?

3) What if a teenager was downloading underage NOT cp, then should they go to jail because they wanted to see somebody their own age having sex, playing around?

4) I know it is unlikely but I am sure some people with these bad cp files will have gotten them by accident

5) Would you really want to risk being accused of cp yourself? As is some REAL government agency or whatever was already logging looking for people downloading this cp then you could be accused of a pedo & they would probably laugh at you if you said &#39;I was making a citizens arrest&#39; etc.

6) Have you ever wondered what these disturbed people may be doing if they did not have p2p to get their cp, underage porn or whatever? As it has been suggested with porn they might be out raping & although some have said well they will want that &#39;rush&#39; oneday I doubt this is the truth.

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What can we do as a society?

1) Make counselling available freely to people who find themselves attracted to children. These people could freely go to these councellers and discuss, try to make them see WHY they are attracted to children as I have been told that around 90% of the time these people were abused as children themselves. (this does not mean to say if you were abused you will become an abuser).

2) ?

----These views are not necessarily mine but are more so views read from others from other forums/ discussions etc----

[Neo 721]

This all sounds like a lost cause, not just becuase I happen to be a pesimist. But there little point is devising ways to boycott something that is too public and used by millions of people, say a logging method was found and there was a fay to find them, but if they could find cp and not be tracked with current version of Kazaa they are using they will just keep it. Unfortunatly the whole CP thing does not eminate from P2P networks (notice when these incidents are reported on the news file sharing is never mentioned). The only way you could see how bad the situation is would be to recall all files that are being shared on the entire network then you would see.

[ScotchGuy]

Everyone&#39;s ideas to stop pedophiles are terrible. Just stop trying, there&#39;s no way to stop it. Remember when your Kindergarten teachers said you made a difference, and you could do whatever you wanted? BULLSHIT. Take this situation: A single person can&#39;t do anything, they only people who can actually track this and take the perpetrator to court is people working for the law force.

The Knife Thrower makes good sense. Listen to him, and give up. Wait for the government to do something, as sad as it may be you really can&#39;t control it without doing something illegal yourself.

This reason for example won&#39;t work because entering a search for something related to kiddy porn doesn&#39;t mean they will download it. You guys should really have some common sense and a minor understanding of the way the law works before you come up with more useless and non-workable ideas.

[Mr. Blunt]

Originally posted by Mr. Blunt@23 October 2003 - 17:45
How good will a blacklist do anyway? IP addresses change.
In responce to REDZULU2003&#39;s post about adding IPs to the blocked ranges.

May i quote my self again...

[splithead04]

the fact that the media is trying to demonize p2p by labeling it a free for all for sick little shits who like child porn is a last ditch effort to try and turn the public against it by playing upon thier fears, because their your a theif campaign didnt work. infact it accomplished exactly the oppisite&#33; it pissed everyone off to point of not only did they stop buying cd&#39;s but we still continue to share&#33; so now they want to make us seem like a bunch of out of control pervs who deserve to be imprisoned&#33; i for one have never downloaded nor shared any form of porn, let alone child porn, and i would bet that most of us haven&#39;t. furthermore i would like to go on record as saying that if you are downloading child porn or sharing it, or condoning it in any way&#33; you are a sick little shit who will be dealt with in a way you will find to be not to your liking&#33;

[SodiumChloride]

If a system like that is already working you probably don&#39;t know about it yet. I don&#39;t think someone&#39;s going to announce that they&#39;re collecting pedophile IP adresses.

[jfm]

Go and search the clients of eMule, right now. These Feckers keep moving (p2p networks).

They have been here, they are few now.

Yes it&#39;s hard to hard Wire, stop them.

[jfm]

Originally posted by REDZULU2003@19 October 2003 - 14:45
I read a news article recent that P2P is mainly used for Child Porn when it comes down to what porn is coming in and out of the networks.

I had a discussion on PG website about this.

P2P Networks are getting ALOT of stick for this...breeding pedos basiclly sums it up......we are sharing networks with these animals.
I reckon this is some of the main reasons why the authorities are so against p2p..not just the music and videos but mainly the Child porn.

I think someone should think of ways to make software implemented into k-lite in the future that can log, catch DO SOMETHING to find the IP&#39;s of these individuals.

I am well-up on Internet Securirty....thats what I am good at when it comes to IT...unfortunalty I can not program....otherwise I would do summut by now.

I think we should think about making summut tho&#39; it woul make our networks a much safer and fun place to be at, while also keeping the autorities happy.
I know full-well that if we could do this it would look super for K-Lite and p2p in genral.

I was thinking of a Key Logger device that logged all words assosiated with this taboo.
This could only be accessed by a few [The K-Lite makers].
Each version of k-lite would have this in it...and the keylogger would send the logs out to the admin....he could than look at it for these offensive words, or make the program in such a way that it sends the offensive logs priority.
Than the IP can be found and action taken.

I want to get this into action with someone, I have a big family and alot of them children.
Their must be parents here? against these monsters? than lets do this...make a side project for this.
If this was a sever based network..... Easy.

It&#39;s not.

Nice thought though RED....

regards

jfm

[wormless]

Originally posted by true_neo+24 October 2003 - 16:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (true_neo @ 24 October 2003 - 16:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mr. Blunt@24 October 2003 - 02:45


But of course, there may be vids that SHOW cp even tho desciption and filename is off. The solution?
Unchangeable descritions.

What about those descriptions that NEED to be changed. We can&#39;t have files with fake descriptions running around the FT Network. Files claiming not to be child porn, yet they still are.
The solution for that would be:
If we could get the hashing method eMule uses, then we could possibly also have locked descriptions.
This can then lead to a "fake warning system", where ppl can, when searcing for a file, place a tag on the file saying its fake, cp, bestiality or whatever.
Then in the program, there could be a message popping up saying "This file is [whatever it is that we dont want here]. You will be unable to download this file"

That way we can rid ourselves of cp. Of course, none of this is poss for KLK++ unless we get sum source code and a new hashing system. [/b][/quote]
yea similiar to shareaza. wen download complete listen watch or preview it and if its not what u wanted tag it with its corrupt or not wat its ment to be thats he kinda system kazza needs if everybody does it,it may cut porn and child porn down.

[jfm]

Originally posted by wormless+25 October 2003 - 05:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wormless &#064; 25 October 2003 - 05:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by true_neo@24 October 2003 - 16:18
<!--QuoteBegin-Mr. Blunt@24 October 2003 - 02:45


But of course, there may be vids that SHOW cp even tho desciption and filename is off. The solution?
Unchangeable descritions.

What about those descriptions that NEED to be changed. We can&#39;t have files with fake descriptions running around the FT Network. Files claiming not to be child porn, yet they still are.
The solution for that would be:
If we could get the hashing method eMule uses, then we could possibly also have locked descriptions.
This can then lead to a "fake warning system", where ppl can, when searcing for a file, place a tag on the file saying its fake, cp, bestiality or whatever.
Then in the program, there could be a message popping up saying "This file is [whatever it is that we dont want here]. You will be unable to download this file"

That way we can rid ourselves of cp. Of course, none of this is poss for KLK++ unless we get sum source code and a new hashing system.
yea similiar to shareaza. wen download complete listen watch or preview it and if its not what u wanted tag it with its corrupt or not wat its ment to be thats he kinda system kazza needs if everybody does it,it may cut porn and child porn down. [/b][/quote]
eMule is full of it...... Hashes?

The only way is, if you find it, delete anything you download to limit the spread&#33;

[wormless]

Originally posted by jfm+25 October 2003 - 05:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jfm @ 25 October 2003 - 05:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by wormless@25 October 2003 - 05:09

Originally posted by true_neo@24 October 2003 - 16:18
<!--QuoteBegin-Mr. Blunt@24 October 2003 - 02:45


But of course, there may be vids that SHOW cp even tho desciption and filename is off. The solution?
Unchangeable descritions.

What about those descriptions that NEED to be changed. We can&#39;t have files with fake descriptions running around the FT Network. Files claiming not to be child porn, yet they still are.
The solution for that would be:
If we could get the hashing method eMule uses, then we could possibly also have locked descriptions.
This can then lead to a "fake warning system", where ppl can, when searcing for a file, place a tag on the file saying its fake, cp, bestiality or whatever.
Then in the program, there could be a message popping up saying "This file is [whatever it is that we dont want here]. You will be unable to download this file"

That way we can rid ourselves of cp. Of course, none of this is poss for KLK++ unless we get sum source code and a new hashing system.
yea similiar to shareaza. wen download complete listen watch or preview it and if its not what u wanted tag it with its corrupt or not wat its ment to be thats he kinda system kazza needs if everybody does it,it may cut porn and child porn down.
eMule is full of it...... Hashes? [/b][/quote]
i find shareaza&#39;s system very useful cus that black lists them

[jfm]

And yeah&#33; despite me sharing most of my hard drive (200gig), what&#39;s almost my entire upload traffic? .....PORN. people want sex of all descriptions.

Why do I have so much porn? Becuase I used to use KMD (before Klite was written) you had to upload or die. Give &#39;em what they want &#33; (Bar paedeophilia) was how it worked (still does)

[wormless]

Originally posted by jfm@25 October 2003 - 05:26
And yeah&#33; despite me sharing most of my hard drive (200gig), what&#39;s almost my entire upload traffic? .....PORN. people want sex of all descriptions.

Why do I have so much porn? Becuase I used to use KMD (before Klite was written) you had to upload or die. Give &#39;em what they want &#33; (Bar paedeophilia) was how it worked (still does)
k whatever turns u on i dnt like but loads of men/woman do

[jfm]

Originally posted by wormless+25 October 2003 - 05:35--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wormless @ 25 October 2003 - 05:35)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jfm@25 October 2003 - 05:26
And yeah&#33; despite me sharing most of my hard drive (200gig), what&#39;s almost my entire upload traffic? .....PORN. people want sex of all descriptions.

Why do I have so much porn?&nbsp; Becuase I used to use KMD (before Klite was written) you had to upload or die.&nbsp; &nbsp; Give &#39;em what they want &#33; (Bar paedeophilia) was how it worked (still does)
k whatever turns u on i dnt like but loads of men/woman do [/b][/quote]
Yeah my point.

To keep my download speed I kept (still do) porn, beacause that is what uploaders wanted (still do)

Klite I suppose is different, however I like my porn (no peadophilia)

[jfm]

Originally posted by REDZULU2003@19 October 2003 - 14:45
I read a news article recent that P2P is mainly used for Child Porn when it comes down to what porn is coming in and out of the networks.

I had a discussion on PG website about this.

P2P Networks are getting ALOT of stick for this...breeding pedos basiclly sums it up......we are sharing networks with these animals.
I reckon this is some of the main reasons why the authorities are so against p2p..not just the music and videos but mainly the Child porn.

I think someone should think of ways to make software implemented into k-lite in the future that can log, catch DO SOMETHING to find the IP&#39;s of these individuals.

I am well-up on Internet Securirty....thats what I am good at when it comes to IT...unfortunalty I can not program....otherwise I would do summut by now.

I think we should think about making summut tho&#39; it woul make our networks a much safer and fun place to be at, while also keeping the autorities happy.
I know full-well that if we could do this it would look super for K-Lite and p2p in genral.

I was thinking of a Key Logger device that logged all words assosiated with this taboo.
This could only be accessed by a few [The K-Lite makers].
Each version of k-lite would have this in it...and the keylogger would send the logs out to the admin....he could than look at it for these offensive words, or make the program in such a way that it sends the offensive logs priority.
Than the IP can be found and action taken.

I want to get this into action with someone, I have a big family and alot of them children.
Their must be parents here? against these monsters? than lets do this...make a side project for this.
I&#39;ve just thought (although it goes against all p2p sharing) do not use people that do not let you:
"Browse"
"Find more from"

[djweiser]

i hope it works.

[DarkReality]

Originally posted by Person@24 October 2003 - 18:27
Altough I agree cp is bad & shouldn&#39;t be distributed around p2p it is :(

BUT I think the logging system is a very bad idea as

1) Other people have already said if you can log one thing you can log it all.

2) What do you define as cp, is it nude images of preteens, under 18s, under 16s, or does something have to be happening?

3) What if a teenager was downloading underage NOT cp, then should they go to jail because they wanted to see somebody their own age having sex, playing around?

4) I know it is unlikely but I am sure some people with these bad cp files will have gotten them by accident

5) Would you really want to risk being accused of cp yourself? As is some REAL government agency or whatever was already logging looking for people downloading this cp then you could be accused of a pedo & they would probably laugh at you if you said &#39;I was making a citizens arrest&#39; etc.

6) Have you ever wondered what these disturbed people may be doing if they did not have p2p to get their cp, underage porn or whatever? As it has been suggested with porn they might be out raping & although some have said well they will want that &#39;rush&#39; oneday I doubt this is the truth.

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What can we do as a society?

1) Make counselling available freely to people who find themselves attracted to children. These people could freely go to these councellers and discuss, try to make them see WHY they are attracted to children as I have been told that around 90% of the time these people were abused as children themselves. (this does not mean to say if you were abused you will become an abuser).

2) ?

----These views are not necessarily mine but are more so views read from others from other forums/ discussions etc----
I think this person (no pun intended) is pretty smart. I&#39;ve thought about #6 and wonder if that&#39;s the reason the government hasn&#39;t followed RIAA&#39;s lead and gone after them.

I&#39;m not sure, one way or another, how those people think, but as a heterosexual, I&#39;ve thought about what I would do if heterosexuality was banned. Probably spank the monkey and look at porn a lot&#33; Think about it...

Anyway, fuck all the psychobabble... Here&#39;s the main reason the keylogger idea will NEVER happen:

Kazaa Lite was created because Kazaa Media Desktop had spyware, which is what a keylogger is. If Kazaa MD and Kazaa Lite both have Spyware, which one are you going to choose? If Kazaa Lite had a keylogger/IP reporter to log certain keywords, RIAA and MPAA would force them to add thousands of names to that list. Guess how big Kazaa Lite&#39;s download becomes? I&#39;m not going to update to Kazaa Lite 2.4.4 if it&#39;s a 50MB download because it&#39;s got thousands and thousands of copyrighted names in it, and I&#39;m going to be reported if I search for them. Because you know once Kazaa Lite or whoever develops the technology, RIAA, et al will turn it against them (us). Two words. Fuck. That.

Lastly, they don&#39;t have the source code to Kazaa MD. At least, that&#39;s the reason the mods here give whenever someone comes up with an amazing idea.

You really want to fight CP/KP? Get a hacker, and go do what I said, but rather than taunt them with Windows Messenger, hack their system and wipe their drive.

Nuff said.

[nikita69]

Ways to catch Pedophiles (do ur research on the followings):
1. EHAP (Ethical Hackers Against Pedophiles) (legal)
2. a hacker program called DIRT (Data Interception by Remote Transmission) available only for law enforcement agencies-hard to find yet doable. this program does not harm the intended pc in any way. (illegal to have, use, copy, etc....)
3. stop by ur local police station and ask "what dept handles child protection from online pedophiles so I can help?" or similar. (legal)

[Toon Nut]

The best way to stop CP is to get the community involved

The reason these scum get away with it is because
It is illegal to possess cp even though:
a) You were dl it to show police
B) You didn&#39;t even know it was in your possession (wtf????)

How the hell can you be sure that it is cp unless you see it for yourself on your own computer. By then YOU are a criminal and you will be arrested if caught.

How the hell are these scum going to get caught when the only taskforce trying to stop them involve 100 investigators world wide using file share programs.

And the people who are caught, all we know is they have a cp file on their computer. They may have never ever had the intention of ever sexually molestering a kid so what were they guilty of? If you tried to download harry potter and got cp instead, does that make you unfit for society?

We should be trying to stop pedophiles. Without pedophiles, there will be NO cp. And by getting the public involved, there are many more people who can witness and expose these scumbags without risking life in jail for "possession".

Look at all the campaigns that would not have been successful without public involvement? Every country has it&#39;s "most wanted" shows, and they have led to many arrests&#33; Anonymous, no questions asked and rewards. Sure, a few sickos get cheap thrills from other people&#39;s pain, but if they try it, they will get caught&#33;

I think I read this on a previos thread of the same topic:
The law needs to be less laughable.

Sexually molestering children or assisting it, and selling of cp should carry a lifetime in jail. But mere possession should simply warrant questioning, not having somebody branded a pedophile in the eyes of the public simply because he moved into a house with cp in the attic.

It was said on another thread: How is this a victimless crime? How would you like a video of you being raped watched by perves all over the world...again, and again, and again.

cp is not a victimless crime but simply having a cp file on your computer does not make you a pedophile.

IMO: A zero tolerence policy is why there is so much cp. It is very hard for pedophiles to be caught as society is forced to turn a blind eye.

[DarkReality]

Good point...

Here&#39;s an idea for all you crazy mofos. Someone on the Disturbed board was talking about this.

Get a video camera, and videotape yourself talking shit about child molesters. Videotape some really obscene stuff that&#39;s legal to have. Get a bunch of these videos.

Now use something like TMPGEnc to cut them up. Mix them up, so you have mixes of several of these. Do this until you have about 10GB of these videos.

Now encode them to Divx AVI so that people without AVI Preview have to download the whole thing before seeing it.

Open Kazaa Lite&#39;s search filter and highlight all the kiddie porn words. Right click on them and hit Copy. Share the files, and paste the KP terms into the Description and/or keywords of the file. Make a fitting description. Share away&#33;

I should find the guy that did that, and get him to come in here and post hashes to the files that are already being shared, so we can help get his out faster, quicker, and to more people.

Also for the record if you should be so unfortunate as to find such files in your posession*, search Kazaa for Evidence Eliminator. Set the options as you see fit BUT be sure to go into the last or second to last one... set it up for 9 passes (7 is DOD standard) and the write method for Random (DOD standard). This will take about all night and then some to wipe an entire drive&#39;s free space, or it did on my 7200RPM 80GB drive.

* Back when I was using Windows 98 and letting just anyone use my computer, someone in fact did use Kazaa to download some of this stuff. It was on my old computer. But I upgraded to Windows 2000, put a password on it, and thought because I reformatted, that all that crap was lost, but then found out that no, it can still be recovered. Evidence Eliminator wiped that drive two or three times, plus it had been reformatted a few times, so I think it&#39;s clean. As for the pedophile, he ended up raping some 8 year old girl but got away with therapy and house arrest, and he doesn&#39;t have to register as a sex offender, because he&#39;s under 18 (he&#39;s like 16 or 17). His mother&#39;s gone mad - she thinks the girl seduced her son... whatever... :angry: Needless to say, nobody uses my computers without my supervision, I don&#39;t care who it is.

That&#39;s one reason I&#39;m not for an all out attack on people *downloading*. I think we should be going after the people that are consciously sharing this stuff or worse yet, making it. And I agree those people should get life in prison. Also, if the DOJ/FBI/CIA were to do to KP distributors on Kazaa what the RIAA is doing to music sharers, a LOT of them would stop. I mean, getting caught distributing music is cute. You distribute movies, you&#39;re cool. You distribute software (esp. Windows) you&#39;re really cool. But if you distribute KP, you deserve life in prison. If any of them download, but don&#39;t share, well, it stops there doesn&#39;t it? Because as soon as they share those files, pop them. How many people can be sharing KP on Kazaa? And then, why not bust them all?

[Toon Nut]

@ DarkReality

I agree with you 100%, I would also like to thank you for an intelligent post in a subject that normally gets &#39;hang them, kill them, crucify them&#39; for anybody who argues against the norm.

If you were caught, the police would give you the &#39;likely story, haven&#39;t heard that before&#39; look.

It should be like this:

Molest a child: Jail
Assist in molesting a child (providing child, house, etc...): Jail
Making or assisting in making child porn: Jail
Selling child porn: Jail

For computers it is alot more difficult due to LANs, multiple users, other people putting them on computers that aren&#39;t theirs. If somebody has not signed up for a child porn website using their credit card, or they are not the owner/moderator of such a site, then how can you lay guilt on somebody?

All you know is that IP address accessed a child porn file. You do not know who or if there was intention. I think it should be the following:

Owner/moderator or member of child porn site: Jail
Sharing more than 10 child porn files: Jail(for the person who put the files there, but might be difficult to prove as described above)
Sharing less than 10 files: No action.

The above will:
a) eliminate pedophiles
B) eliminate child porn rings and distributors
c) decrease the amount of child porn on kazaa
d) allow the public to safely delete any files &#39;accidentally&#39; found or put them on a CD and forward them to the authorities (with directions to how to obtain them) without risking jail.

If you do share it or participate in it, you won&#39;t get caught.
If you don&#39;t share or participate in it, you shouldn&#39;t get caught just because you were in the worng place at the wrong time.

This zero tolerence policy needs to be reviewed. I think society is grown up and intelligent enough to make this into a fair law and involve the public without stupid people thinking the authorities are encouraging child porn by making such a move.