Innocence

[hobbes]

Lost- life sucks, sometimes

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by hobbes@23 October 2003 - 04:13
Lost- life sucks, sometimes
i don't get it..... :(

[wormless]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+23 October 2003 - 04:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 23 October 2003 - 04:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@23 October 2003 - 04:13
Lost- life sucks, sometimes
i don&#39;t get it..... :( [/b][/quote]
nor do i

[MediaSlayer]

"innocence lost" was a play or movie or something like that

[hobbes]

Life is composed of a series of revelations.

As children, Santa Clause is real, the Easter Bunny is real, magic is magic.

As we grow older, we understand the deception or facade of these mysterious realms.

We understand romance, we understand sex, we understand relationships.

At some point, all that is has been unexplained in the world, as magic or devine is revealed to be a farce.

At some point, we crave some new magic, some new hope. It simply does not exist. Alas.

Even those corporial enties such as "true love" and such are exposed. Living in reality sucks, being stupid ceratinly(noticed the typo, the irony is too funnyto edit) has it merits.

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by hobbes@23 October 2003 - 04:25
Life is composed of a series of revelations.

As children, Santa Clause is real, the Easter Bunny is real, magic is magic.

As we grow older, we understand the deception or facade of these mysterious realms.

We understand romance, we understand sex, we understand relationships.

At some point, all that is has been unexplained in the world, as magic or devine is revealed to be a farce.

At some point, we crave some new magic, some new hope. It simply does not exist. Alas.

Even those corporial enties such as "true love" and such are exposed. Living in reality sucks, being stupid ceratinly has it merits.
i like what ur saying, but i still beleive true love exists - i just can&#39;t friggin find it&#33;

y couldn&#39;t i know then what i know now? YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

[uNz[i]]

True love does indeed exist. I&#39;ve found it and consider myself extremely fortunate.

Don&#39;t give up hope... there is still magic in the world. You just need to have faith.

[hobbes]

Whatever. Are you 19 or something?

We have all believed at some point. I was "in love" so many times before the age of 25.


Idiots and the average will believe what they have been told for their entire lives. I long to have a closed head injury&#33;

Call us back in 10 years.

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by hobbes@23 October 2003 - 04:35
Whatever. Are you 19 or something?

We have all believed at some point. I was "in love" so many times before the age of 25.


Idiots and the average will believe what they have been told for their entire lives. I long to have a closed head injury&#33;

Call us back in 10 years.
how old r u hobbes, if u don&#39;t mind me askin? sounds like ur havin a mid-life crisis&#33; ur bein VERY negative&#33; some chick just burn u er somethin?

[Virtualbody1234]

I wish you better spirits in the near future, hobbes.

Hang in there. http://www.mcbriens.net/liam/img/smilies/thmbup.gif

[uNz[i]]

No I&#39;m 38.

I recently went through a very cynical patch in my life, and it nearly did me in.

Fortunately, I found a very lovely lady who has shown me that not all people are idiots... just some of them.

Don&#39;t let the child inside die. It is vital for one&#39;s sanity to retain it, at least in part.

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by uNz[i]@23 October 2003 - 04:41
No I&#39;m 38.

I recently went through a very cynical patch in my life, and it nearly did me in.

Fortunately, I found a very lovely lady who has shown me that not all people are idiots... just some of them.

Don&#39;t let the child inside die. It is vital for one&#39;s sanity to retain it, at least in part.
wow dude - that motivated the schemll outta me, and i&#39;m serious. ur 38, but talk as though ur a teenager - congrats&#33; :D

[noname12]

Love is nothing but an imagination. Humanity convinced it self that love is something spontaneous and magical, when indeed it is something that grows.

Love is not fate or destiny, neither is it a matter of searching.

What love is, it is nothing more then the basic human instinct of procreation formed into a more comlex state which grows through time rather then hits all of a sudden ;)

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by noname12@23 October 2003 - 04:42
Love is nothing but an imagination. Humanity convinced it self that love is something spontaneous and magical, when indeed it is something that grows.

Love is not fate or destiny, neither is it a matter of searching.

What love is, it is nothing more then the basic human instinct of procreation formed into a more comlex state which grows through time rather then hits all of a sudden ;)
well that was very depressing. in other words, love is boring?

[noname12]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+23 October 2003 - 04:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 23 October 2003 - 04:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-noname12@23 October 2003 - 04:42
Love is nothing but an imagination. Humanity convinced it self that love is something spontaneous and magical, when indeed it is something that grows.

Love is not fate or destiny, neither is it a matter of searching.

What love is, it is nothing more then the basic human instinct of procreation formed into a more comlex state which grows through time rather then hits all of a sudden&nbsp; ;)
well that was very depressing. in other words, love is boring? [/b][/quote]
Love is sex, simple as that.

Sex is not boring. :lol:

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by noname12+23 October 2003 - 04:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (noname12 @ 23 October 2003 - 04:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by kurtsl0an@23 October 2003 - 04:45
<!--QuoteBegin-noname12@23 October 2003 - 04:42
Love is nothing but an imagination. Humanity convinced it self that love is something spontaneous and magical, when indeed it is something that grows.

Love is not fate or destiny, neither is it a matter of searching.

What love is, it is nothing more then the basic human instinct of procreation formed into a more comlex state which grows through time rather then hits all of a sudden ;)
well that was very depressing. in other words, love is boring?
Love is sex, simple as that.

Sex is not boring. :lol: [/b][/quote]
now u need 2 STFU. ur talkin shiznit, and u know it&#33; <_<

[Virtualbody1234]

Love is not sex.

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@23 October 2003 - 04:48
Love is not sex.
thank u.

[noname12]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+23 October 2003 - 04:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 23 October 2003 - 04:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by noname12@23 October 2003 - 04:45

Originally posted by kurtsl0an@23 October 2003 - 04:45
<!--QuoteBegin-noname12@23 October 2003 - 04:42
Love is nothing but an imagination. Humanity convinced it self that love is something spontaneous and magical, when indeed it is something that grows.

Love is not fate or destiny, neither is it a matter of searching.

What love is, it is nothing more then the basic human instinct of procreation formed into a more comlex state which grows through time rather then hits all of a sudden ;)
well that was very depressing. in other words, love is boring?
Love is sex, simple as that.

Sex is not boring. :lol:
now u need 2 STFU. ur talkin shiznit, and u know it&#33; <_< [/b][/quote]
Nope I am not.

If you did not have the need for sex love would be useless.

Breakdown the whole thing and all of it comes down to one simple thing.

I&#39;ll let you guess what that one simple thing is ;)

[uNz[i]]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+23 October 2003 - 14:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 23 October 2003 - 14:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-uNz[i
,23 October 2003 - 04:41] No I&#39;m 38.

I recently went through a very cynical patch in my life, and it nearly did me in.

Fortunately, I found a very lovely lady who has shown me that not all people are idiots... just some of them.

Don&#39;t let the child inside die. It is vital for one&#39;s sanity to retain it, at least in part.
wow dude - that motivated the schemll outta me, and i&#39;m serious. ur 38, but talk as though ur a teenager - congrats&#33; :D [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m glad someone got something out of what I said. :)

The ability to talk like a teen at age 38 comes from being young at brain.... errr heart.. I meant to say young at heart&#33; Honestly&#33; :ermm: :D

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by noname12@23 October 2003 - 04:50
Nope I am not.

If you did not have the need for sex love would be useless.

Breakdown the whole thing and all of it comes down to one simple thing.

I&#39;ll let you guess what that one simple thing is ;)
i&#39;m not saying sex isn&#39;t important - it just shouldn&#39;t b the ONLY factor. maybe ur 2 young 2 know this, but i thought when i was 19, i knew better.

DUH&#33;

[hobbes]

I&#39;m neither bitter, nor hurt, nor young. True love is a fallacy, love is hard work, marraige is hard work. Filled with compromise and sacrifice. I fail to see the attraction.

The concept that you can see someone, fall "in love" and live happily ever after is just simple shit.

The best you can hope for is to find a good friend.. Love seems to imply sexual arousal and such, that is a poor lead to follow.

People just need to find a friend who they are engaged enough by that they wish to begin a family together.

The concept of "true love" as I understood it as a child, and what constitutes a a happy marraige, are so far divergent as to be unrelated.

Men and women have such different urges that "sex" is an unfortunate common ground. The word and its implication are totally different between the genders.


edit: I did not read the above posts as I was typing

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by hobbes@23 October 2003 - 04:53
I&#39;m neither bitter, nor hurt, nor young. True love is a fallacy, love is hard work, marraige is hard work. Filled with compromise and sacrifice. I fail to see the attraction.

The concept that you can see someone, fall "in love" and live happily ever after is just simple shit.

The best you can hope for is to find a good friend.. Love seems to imply sexual arousal and such, that is a poor lead to follow.

People just need to find a friend who they are engaged enough by that they wish to begin a family together.

The concept of "true love" as I understood it as a child, and what constitutes a a happy marraige, are so far divergent as to be unrelated.

Men and women have such different urges that "sex" is an unfortunate common ground. The word and its implication are totally different between the genders.
so i&#39;m guessin ur around 48?

[noname12]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+23 October 2003 - 04:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 23 October 2003 - 04:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-noname12@23 October 2003 - 04:50
Nope I am not.

If you did not have the need for sex love would be useless.

Breakdown the whole thing and all of it comes down to one simple thing.

I&#39;ll let you guess what that one simple thing is&nbsp; ;)
i&#39;m not saying sex isn&#39;t important - it just shouldn&#39;t b the ONLY factor. maybe ur 2 young 2 know this, but i thought when i was 19, i knew better.

DUH&#33; [/b][/quote]
I&#39;m not saying its the only factor, I am saying the basis of love, the reason it exists, the only reason men make complete idiots of them selves and women act all high and mighty :lol: is sex.

love is the child or product of sex.

[hobbes]

What is your relevant point, kurt.

Your post is nothing but a weak flame.

[noname12]

Originally posted by hobbes@23 October 2003 - 04:56
What is your relevant point?
You talking to me?

[hobbes]

see above, and the edit, lol

[noname12]

Originally posted by hobbes@23 October 2003 - 04:56
Your post is nothing but a weak flame.
Are you talking to me? coz I dont see any one else above your post? So you must be talking to me? (pulls out gun, shoots self in foot)

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by hobbes@23 October 2003 - 04:56
What is your relevant point, kurt.

Your post is nothing but a weak flame.
sorry - i&#39;m not trying 2 flame. u just sound kinda depressed right now, and i attempted (failed attempt obviously) 2 make light of it.

love is AWESOME and lasting, regardless of what u think right now.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+23 October 2003 - 05:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an &#064; 23 October 2003 - 05:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@23 October 2003 - 04:56
What is your relevant point, kurt.

Your post is nothing but a weak flame.
sorry - i&#39;m not trying 2 flame. u just sound kinda depressed right now, and i attempted (failed attempt obviously) 2 make light of it.

love is AWESOME and lasting, regardless of what u think right now. [/b][/quote]
Well, I have no reason to be angry or sad, just my experience.

I would love for there to be true love out there.

I am no kid, but I still reminder the excitement of ALL of my "firsts". Now they are mundane, and the chicks are getting fatter.

Remember kids, intelligence lasts, beauty fades&#33;

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by hobbes@23 October 2003 - 05:05
and the chicks are getting fatter.
roflmao.... :lol:

[noname12]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+23 October 2003 - 05:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 23 October 2003 - 05:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@23 October 2003 - 05:05
and the chicks are getting fatter.
roflmao.... :lol: [/b][/quote]
I dont know what your rotfluao, last I checked, you aint pretty picture your self.

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by noname12+23 October 2003 - 05:08--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (noname12 &#064; 23 October 2003 - 05:08)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by kurtsl0an@23 October 2003 - 05:06
<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@23 October 2003 - 05:05
and the chicks are getting fatter.
roflmao.... :lol:
I dont know what your rotfluao, last I checked, you aint pretty picture your self. [/b][/quote]
sorry son, i may b older but i GUARANTEE i look better than u. and i know i can bench more than ur weak arse.

don&#39;t sing it, just bring it.

EDIT: OMG, i must b getting old, cuz that&#39;s the first time i ever called some1 else "son"&#33; ouchie&#33;

[noname12]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+23 October 2003 - 05:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 23 October 2003 - 05:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by noname12@23 October 2003 - 05:08

Originally posted by kurtsl0an@23 October 2003 - 05:06
<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@23 October 2003 - 05:05
and the chicks are getting fatter.
roflmao.... :lol:
I dont know what your rotfluao, last I checked, you aint pretty picture your self.
sorry son, i may b older but i GUARANTEE i look better than u. and i know i can bench more than ur weak arse.

don&#39;t sing it, just bring it.

EDIT: OMG, i must b getting old, cuz that&#39;s the first time i ever called some1 else "son"&#33; ouchie&#33; [/b][/quote]
Look old man, I&#39;m not the one who wakes up in the morning singing "In the navy"


need I say more?

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by noname12@23 October 2003 - 05:13
Look old man, I&#39;m not the one who wakes up in the morning singing "In the navy"


need I say more?
"in the navy"? u big dumb arse. there is a HUGE difference between the marines and the navy. the navy just takes us 2 the place where we need 2 fight.

don&#39;t make me post a pic of my muscular body on this mofo&#33;

[noname12]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an+23 October 2003 - 05:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kurtsl0an @ 23 October 2003 - 05:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-noname12@23 October 2003 - 05:13
Look old man, I&#39;m not the one who wakes up in the morning singing "In the navy"


need I say more?
"in the navy"? u big dumb arse. there is a HUGE difference between the marines and the navy. the navy just takes us 2 the place where we need 2 fight.

don&#39;t make me post a pic of my muscular body on this mofo&#33; [/b][/quote]
I know what marines are, for the love of god I am a C&C veteran, that means if I went to america, I would out rank your @&#036;&#036; :lol:

Your dream was to be in the navy, but you where to gay for them.

I&#39;m sorry for your lost dreams :(

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by noname12@23 October 2003 - 05:17
I know what marines are, for the love of god I am a C&C veteran, that means if I went to america, I would out rank your @&#036;&#036; :lol:

Your dream was to be in the navy, but you where to gay for them.

I&#39;m sorry for your lost dreams :(
LOL - u&#39;d hafta salute me if u were a C&C veteran, dumbarse&#33; LOL.

my dream was 2 b the best - which was the marines. we were treated like shit and the pay sucked, but no one could beat us, dammit.

the "seamen" used 2 kiss our asses every day - pulease&#33;

[noname12]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an@23 October 2003 - 05:19
the "seamen" used 2 kiss our asses every day - pulease&#33;
Game set and match...

Need I say more?

[kurtsl0an]

Originally posted by noname12+23 October 2003 - 05:22--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (noname12 @ 23 October 2003 - 05:22)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kurtsl0an@23 October 2003 - 05:19
the "seamen" used 2 kiss our asses every day - pulease&#33;
Game set and match...

Need I say more? [/b][/quote]
lol. i would never join a force that had the rank of seaman. i mean C&#39;MON&#33; u hafta give even the lowest rank a lil respect&#33; LOL.

[Evil Gemini]

Bahhh fuckit

[noname12]

I think we should leave, we&#39;ve hijacked 2 threads now.... :ph34r:

[bigboab]

[QUOTE=hobbes,23 October 2003 - 04:25] Life is composed of a series of revelations.

As children, Santa Clause is real, the Easter Bunny is real, magic is magic.

As we grow older, we understand the deception or facade of these mysterious realms.

I never did like you. :rolleyes: You have spoiled my childhood(Second) dreams. :(

[brotherdoobie]

Originally posted by kurtsl0an@23 October 2003 - 00:11


i GUARANTEE i look better than u. and i know i can bench more than ur weak arse.

don&#39;t sing it, just bring it.


Wow&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
How much can you bench press :rolleyes:

And remember Dont sing it bring it&#33; ;)

Because my Dad can kick your Dads ass :P



Peace brotherdoobie

[Lamsey]

Well, thanks guys. I&#39;m sure that Hobbes will be really happy to see his topic filled with flame and macho posturing. <_<



Hobbes - I have a very simple suggestion. If, as it appears, you&#39;re feeling down, you might want to try doing what I do when I&#39;m pissed off or upset.

Get a hold of two songs, both by the band Great Big Sea. The first is called Feel it Turn, and the second is Consequence Free.

Listening to these two songs (in that order) never fails to cheer me up somewhat. The power of music is not to be underestimated. :)



You&#39;ll be able to get both songs on K-Lite, or alternatively you can download them straight from me on Soulseek.

[bigboab]

Originally posted by hobbes@23 October 2003 - 05:05
Remember kids, intelligence lasts, beauty fades&#33;
I am sorry to disagree with you here Hobbes. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Intelligence fades(here is a prime example). remember you both get old together, so the changes are less perceptive. It will happen I can assure you. :)

[MagicNakor]

Intelligence lasts until senility sets in.

There was something else I was going to say...

:ninja:

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@23 October 2003 - 10:31
Intelligence lasts until senility sets in.

There was something else I was going to say...

:ninja:
What? Speak up, you young whippersnapper&#33;


Everyone seems to be talking quieter these days... In my day, they were nice and loud, none of this muttering...

[zinc1]

OH REALLY,HOW LOUD WERE THEY IN YOUR DAYS THEN ??

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by noname12@23 October 2003 - 05:42


What love is, it is nothing more then the basic human instinct of procreation formed into a more comlex state which grows through time rather then hits all of a sudden&nbsp; ;)
I love my parents.

I love my children with all my heart and soul&#33;

I love their mothers ( been married twice)

I also love my brothers and sisters.

That&#39;s not sex related.

I would go through fire for all of them

So I believe you to be wrong on this one.

Many people confuse these issues of love and sex.

@ Hobbes, life is still full of surprises. Sometimes the sun shines and sometimes it&#39;s cloudy. Everything is in a constant state of change, from emptiness to fullness and back again....

[MUSLEMAN]

i fount true love, its was on the cornere of k and 14th for sale for 100&#036; for 30 minutes, and thats not even for around the world,

yes true love exists but man its expensive http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/b/smiley2k.gif

[clocker]

Hobbes, did you just read Waiting for Godot?

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by zinc1@23 October 2003 - 10:45
OH REALLY,HOW LOUD WERE THEY IN YOUR DAYS THEN ??
Yes please, milk and two sugars.

[oldmancan]

The First Great Truth of Buddha ... Life is Suffering.

peace omc

[Twist3r]

Kurt Cobain said it best


I will move away from here
You won&#39;t be afraid of fear

No thought was put into this
Always knew it would come to this

[Yogi]

Hobbes:

As children, Santa Clause is real, the Easter Bunny is real, magic is magic.

As we grow older, we understand the deception or facade of these mysterious realms.

We understand romance, we understand sex, we understand relationships.

At some point, all that is has been unexplained in the world, as magic or devine is revealed to be a farce.

At some point, we crave some new magic, some new hope. It simply does not exist. Alas.

Even those corporial enties such as "true love" and such are exposed. Living in reality sucks, being stupid ceratinly has it merits.



Oh, poor Hobbes, your craving will be heard some day........


Whatever. Are you 19 or something?

We have all believed at some point. I was "in love" so many times before the age of 25.
Idiots and the average will believe what they have been told for their entire lives. I long to have a closed head injury&#33;Call us back in 10 years.


I think that injury is allready there........


The concept that you can see someone, fall "in love" and live happily ever after is just simple shit.....The best you can hope for is to find a good friend.. Love seems to imply sexual arousal and such, that is a poor lead to follow......The concept of "true love" as I understood it as a child, and what constitutes a a happy marraige, are so far divergent as to be unrelated.
Men and women have such different urges that "sex" is an unfortunate common ground. The word and its implication are totally different between the genders.


You talk in general.....
When the issue is you........
http://www.newselfimage.com/indexnew.shtml
(though i think you&#39;re fooling us all and you are sooo happy, you only can handle it by posting the sh*** you do..... :lol: )

True love is all around you.
To really get a grasp of that you&#39;ll have to start out with loving yourself.....

I used to blame the whole world of deception
I&#39;ve seen that road
Paved with selfpity and remorse
but, hey, you can abandon that
come off that high-horse filled with pain
and try a little slice of happiness
really, there&#39;s enough for everyone
and if you really try
it will sustain






:wub: Yogi Mashnipranti

[hobbes]

How am I the issue? Your post is nothing but a flame, based on false assumptions.
On what fact do you base your conclusions about my life?

I post my observations. Could you please explain how you determined that I was the problem, or had the problem other than my views do not coincide with yours.

At any rate, you see me as troubled, and your goal is to take playgroundesque snipe shots. I attacked no one, my statements were generalizations based on my observations and experiences to date.

I blame no one, could you show me where I blamed anyone for my point of view.
Love myself? Well I certainly feel that I have had a better shake than the average person. I have a good job, get along well with my parents, I&#39;m in good physical health, and I have had enough relationships with females to know what I am talking about.


Telling someone to "Love oneself" is a platitude.

I have no bitterness, no self pity or remorse. I really apologize for not conveniently fitting into the box you wanted to place me in, but I have never been an "in the box" type.

I stand outside conventional thought, and I view the world with my own vision. I mean, why are you so focused on "pot", why do you need it? It is fun to escape the mundaness of the world, no?

I always welcome and consider constructive input, but making false assumptions about who I am and certainly having no context (my hundreds of other posts in this forum) in which to view this thread, I come up with nothing from your post.

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by nigel123@23 October 2003 - 23:53
.... Sometimes the sun shines and sometimes it&#39;s cloudy. ...
You mean there are places where it isn&#39;t sunny all day??

I&#39;ll have to get out of Cairns more.

PS. I&#39;ve always found young Hobbes to be an enigma, which is how it should be, surely.


:)

[chalice]

LOVE, WE MUST PART NOW BY PHILIP LARKIN

Love, we must part now: do not let it be
Calamitious and bitter. In the past
There has been too much moonlight and self-pity:
Let us have done with it: for now at last
Never has sun more boldly paced the sky,
Never were hearts more eager to be free,
To kick down worlds, lash forests; you and I
No longer hold them; we are husks, that see
The grain going forward to a different use.
There is regret. Always, there is regret.
But it is better that our lives unloose,
As two tall ships, wind-mastered, wet with light,
Break from an estuary with their courses set,
And waving part, and waving drop from sight.

[Yogi]

How am I the issue?

I can be wrong, but didn&#39;t you write what i quoted.....???


Your post is nothing but a flame, based on false assumptions.
On what fact do you base your conclusions about my life?

Where do i flame?
Assuming is all i can, based on what you are writing.
And as for conclusions; i&#39;ll leave that up to you.........



I post my observations

And so do i......


Could you please explain how you determined that I was the problem, or had the problem other than my views do not coincide with yours.


Can&#39;t remember using the word "problem".
You wrote down some assumptions, distilled from your experience, as were they facts, where they do apply on you.....



At any rate, you see me as troubled, and your goal is to take playgroundesque snipe shots. I attacked no one, my statements were generalizations based on my observations and experiences to date.

See above. You generalize what is in fact yours.


I blame no one, could you show me where I blamed anyone for my point of view.

No. Why should i?
I don&#39;t blame you aswell for your views, but that doesn&#39;t mean i can&#39;t have an opinion on that; based on my experiences.......


Love myself? Well I certainly feel that I have had a better shake than the average person. I have a good job, get along well with my parents, I&#39;m in good physical health, and I have had enough relationships with females to know what I am talking about.

Good for you&#33;&#33;


Telling someone to "Love oneself" is a platitude.

Wonder how that became a platitude..........


I have no bitterness, no self pity or remorse. I really apologize for not conveniently fitting into the box you wanted to place me in, but I have never been an "in the box" type.

Ehhh??? Sorry, but i think i lose you here.......
Your "observations" seem full of them, even though you generalize them........
And, sorry, but i hate boxes......
If someone placed you there, who would that be...??


I stand outside conventional thought, and I view the world with my own vision. I mean, why are you so focused on "pot", why do you need it? It is fun to escape the mundaness of the world, no?

I don&#39;t need it. I like it. Just as sex, food, this board, etc.
Do i taste "countering" here.????
Sorry, but my world is far from mundane.........


I always welcome and consider constructive input, but making false assumptions about who I am and certainly having no context (my hundreds of other posts in this forum) in which to view this thread, I come up with nothing from your post.

Okay. No probs with that.
But your reply states something else......

Yogi

[J'Pol]

Hobbes

Do you have a sense that your life and the life of everyone else is ultimately futile.

No love, no magic, just a finite existance then nothing.

You are born, you do stuff, you own things, you die.

The end.

That would depress the arse off of me as well.

[Billy_Dean]

Thomas Hobbes
English Philosopher
1588-1679 http://www.uploadit.org/files/241003-hobbes.gif

Hobbes developed a materialist and highly pessimistic philosophy that was denounced in his own day and later, but has had a continuing influence on Western political thought. His Leviathan (1651) presents a bleak picture of human beings in the state of nature, where life is "nasty, brutish, and short." Fear of violent death is the principal motive that causes people to create a state by contracting to surrender their natural rights and to submit to the absolute authority of a sovereign. Although the power of the sovereign derived originally from the people, Hobbes said-challenging the doctrine of the divine right of kings-the sovereign&#39;s power is absolute and not subject to review by either subjects or ecclesiastical powers. Hobbes&#39;s concept of the social contract led to investigations by other political theorists, notably Locke, Spinoza, and Rousseau, who formulated their own radically different theories of the social contract.

You think maybe they are related JP?


:)

[J'Pol]

Can there be any doubt Billy.

[bigboab]

Why try and influence? Whatever he wants to do, it will be Hobbe&#39;s own choice.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by SensualGardening@24 October 2003 - 11:52
Hobbes:
Oh, poor Hobbes, your craving will be heard some day........
I think that injury is allready there........

You talk in general.....
When the issue is you........
http://www.newselfimage.com/indexnew.shtml
(though i think you&#39;re fooling us all and you are sooo happy, you only can handle it by posting the sh*** you do..... :lol: )

True love is all around you.
To really get a grasp of that you&#39;ll have to start out with loving yourself.....

I used to blame the whole world of deception
I&#39;ve seen that road
Paved with selfpity and remorse
but, hey, you can abandon that
come off that high-horse filled with pain
and try a little slice of happiness
really, there&#39;s enough for everyone
and if you really try
it will sustain
:wub: Yogi MashniprantiSensual,


You addressed me, not the issue. Your comments were simple condescension (in red), inferring that I am some boob looking for sympathetic attention.
You then tell me that the issue (problem) is me, and direct me to some self help nonsense. Anybody truely interested in helping another would respond in a more congenial way.


"Loving oneself" is a seminar slogan, a mantra for the paying sheep. It has no lustre or originality. Oh, I do accept my strengths and limitations and feel comfortable about myself, if that&#39;s what you meant.


Was the poem not something you offered for me to glean insight from? It begins, "I used to blame the world". Well, as I said, I blame no one for my life condition or my views.
Self pity and remorse? I am not disappointed with myself or regret what I have done or not done, I have just found out that those adult things which I looked forward too were not as fulfilling as the hype.


I could barely sleep the night before Christmas, I broke out in hives the night before my first solo plane flight, I want to know what equivalents exist in the adult world. It is not me lamenting my life, but me looking for the magic the world once held.

High horse filled with pain? Ok, just to be clear, I am not Rush Limbaugh (a playgroundesque cheap shot, eh J2?)


As for the box, you did. I made certain statements, you made assumptions that I must be a person filled with the above, you were wrong. The box you wanted to put me in did not fit.

Perhaps you could have asked if I were upset about something? Why did I post such a downer? This way you could gauge me by my response (apolgetic, clarifying or maudlin sorrow) and could make a more informed post, rather than to respond emotionally.It all depends upon whether you want to be constructive or destructive, and of course, your prevailing mood at the time.

I am not angry, bitter, resentful or depressed. I just find life boring sometimes, and wish that there were still things ahead of me that I lived in fevered anticipation of.

In my childhood days, the year was measured against two points: Christmas holiday and summer break. Everything lead up to these pinnacles. On the last day of school, I would literally run home with my arms waving in hysterical delight. I really wish I still had points equivalent to these in adulthood.

As for "true love" (not love of family and such), with the valiant knight and the beautiful princess who lived happily ever after. I have found that the "twitterpation" part is easy, it is the "happily ever after" part that can get be a bit of a letdown.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by JPaul@24 October 2003 - 18:40
Hobbes

Do you have a sense that your life and the life of everyone else is ultimately futile.

No love, no magic, just a finite existance then nothing.

You are born, you do stuff, you own things, you die.

The end.

That would depress the arse off of me as well.
Not at all. I do shirk off convention as I find it is stiff and scratchy, but I certainly have no "gloom and doom" futilistic attitude. If I did you all would have become bored with my shite long ago.

[bigboab]

Do you mean twitteration hobbes? We all have had those. As I said before it will all pan out. ;)

Edit. I checked three dictionaries for that bloody word. :angry:

[hobbes]

Originally posted by bigboab@25 October 2003 - 01:00
Do you mean twitteration hobbes? We all have had those. As I said before it will all pan out. ;)

Edit. I checked three dictionaries for that bloody word. :angry:
Sorry, that was from the Disney record, Bambi, I had as a child. I logged the word, but never have looked it up.

It describes the stars in the eyes, mouth agape, head over heels feeling we get when someone strikes that chord in us. It should be made a real word, as I think it is a bit more effective than "infatuation".

[bigboab]

Thanks. ;) Twitteration would cover it. B)

[Yogi]

Hobbes,

You addressed me, not the issue. Your comments were simple condescension (in red), inferring that I am some boob looking for sympathetic attention.

When someone posts as you did in this case, and you post it in the lounge, it may seem that way......

You then tell me that the issue (problem) is me, and direct me to some self help nonsense. Anybody truely interested in helping another would respond in a more congenial way.

If you want true interest, you shouldn&#39;t have posted it here.......(imho)
If you can&#39;t see the irony in what i wrote, it only confirms what i stated.......

"Loving oneself" is a seminar slogan, a mantra for the paying sheep. It has no lustre or originality. Oh, I do accept my strengths and limitations and feel comfortable about myself, if that&#39;s what you meant.

Do you really...??
And if it applied on you, you wouldn&#39;t have posted a piece like yours.....

And i would NEVER advise anybody to love oneself, i just state that&#39;s what you will need to get over your obvious disappointments.
If i would skip the platitudes and paying sheep-mantra&#39;s(irony???), i would have to charge you...........

Was the poem not something you offered for me to glean insight from? It begins, "I used to blame the world". Well, as I said, I blame no one for my life condition or my views.
Self pity and remorse? I am not disappointed with myself or regret what I have done or not done, I have just found out that those adult things which I looked forward too were not as fulfilling as the hype.

Actually, the poem stated "I used to, etc." Wouldn&#39;t that refer to me??
As in: i know all about disappointment..........
You seem to find it really hard to overcome your defense.......
If i seem to write in another language than you, sorry for that........

I could barely sleep the night before Christmas, I broke out in hives the night before my first solo plane flight, I want to know what equivalents exist in the adult world. It is not me lamenting my life, but me looking for the magic the world once held.

THe magic&#39;s still there. You just lost touch.....
I&#39;m 44 and still regularly get the nice shivers of upcoming (or past....) events.

High horse filled with pain? Ok, just to be clear, I am not Rush Limbaugh (a playgroundesque cheap shot, eh J2?)

Ohhh, men, it just some poetic playing.......
And isn&#39;t the lounge the playground of this forum......???

As for the box, you did. I made certain statements, you made assumptions that I must be a person filled with the above, you were wrong. The box you wanted to put me in did not fit.

You are the one holding those boxes, friend.
As i stated; i hate boxes......

Perhaps you could have asked if I were upset about something? Why did I post such a downer? This way you could guage me by my response (apolgetic, clarifying or maudlin sorrow) and could make a more informed post, rather than to respond emotionally.It all depends upon whether you want to be constructive or destructive, and of course, your prevailing mood at the time.

My mood was one of ironic mirroring.
If you want more, it&#39;ll cost.....

I am not angry, bitter, resentful or depressed. I just find life boring sometimes, and wish that there were still things ahead of me that I lived in fevered anticipation of.

I don&#39;t wanna fall back to those platitudes and mantra&#39;s again, but you keep asking for them......

In my childhood days, the year was measured against two points: Christmas holiday and summer break. Everything lead up to these pinnacles. On the last day of school, I would literally run home with my arms waving in hysterical delight. I really wish I still had points equivalent to these in adulthood.

You left the delight. That&#39;s a bummer, i&#39;m serious.
But i can hardly imagine you thought it would be lying around somewhere in this forum, though this forum can certainly lift you from your "mundane" life from time to time.....

As for "true love" (not love of family and such), with the valiant knight and the beautiful princess who lived happily ever after. I have found that the "twitterpation" part is easy, it is the "happily ever after" part that can get be a bit of a letdown.

I know i state the obvious, but "happily ever after" is something you have to work for and it won&#39;t come easy.
I&#39;m very, very happy in that department for 11 years now, but i never take it for granted.
Really, every day more is a gift......


Good luck&#33;&#33;

Yogi

[Celerystalksme]

i would just like to add...*i have innocent eyes* :rolleyes:

[J'Pol]

futilistic - what a bloody fine word.

[clocker]

Originally posted by JPaul@25 October 2003 - 05:33
futilistic - what a bloody fine word.
Then by all means keep it, cherish it and bring it out on special occasions, JPaul.

[hobbes]

"Loving oneself" is a seminar slogan, a mantra for the paying sheep. It has no lustre or originality. Oh, I do accept my strengths and limitations and feel comfortable about myself, if that&#39;s what you meant.

Do you really...??
And if it applied on you, you wouldn&#39;t have posted a piece like yours....
If you notice I never indicate that I am disappointed with myself. I am disappointed with the world and what it has to offer. It is like arriving at a circus full of anticipation only to find it contains only a few sickly animal. Would I be upset at my shortcomings? No, obviously I would be unimpressed by the circus. I exaggerate my point simply for illustrative purposes.



And i would NEVER advise anybody to love oneself, i just state that&#39;s what you will need to get over your obvious disappointments.
If i would skip the platitudes and paying sheep-mantra&#39;s(irony???), i would have to charge you...........

As I said before, I could smash my head against a wall to lower my intelligence, then stand around fascinated by all the mundane baubles that capture the minds of the sheep. Disappointment is a matter of expectation and the ability to perceive quality from crap. I see "loving myself" as an unrelated topic.


Was the poem not something you offered for me to glean insight from? It begins, "I used to blame the world". Well, as I said, I blame no one for my life condition or my views.
Self pity and remorse? I am not disappointed with myself or regret what I have done or not done, I have just found out that those adult things which I looked forward too were not as fulfilling as the hype.

Actually, the poem stated "I used to, etc." Wouldn&#39;t that refer to me??
As in: i know all about disappointment..........
You seem to find it really hard to overcome your defense.......
If i seem to write in another language than you, sorry for that........
If you want to share your life experiences with me, put in a paragraph. If you want to take a concept and generalize it, put it in a poem. .
I read the poem as a generalization. I found that it did not apply to me in any way. I cannot relate to the "I" in the poem.

Quip alert&#33; What defense am I taking, how am I attempting to overcome it. Evidence and examples are all you lack, which is everything, actually.


As for the box, you did. I made certain statements, you made assumptions that I must be a person filled with the above, you were wrong. The box you wanted to put me in did not fit.

You are the one holding those boxes, friend.
As i stated; i hate boxes......

Please stop with the vacuous quips. If you think I "am holding the boxes", you need to explain how? Redirecting the comment is simply a "tactic".



As for "true love" (not love of family and such), with the valiant knight and the beautiful princess who lived happily ever after. I have found that the "twitterpation" part is easy, it is the "happily ever after" part that can get be a bit of a letdown.

[i]I know i state the obvious, but "happily ever after" is something you have to work for and it won&#39;t come easy.

Yes, you do. I already said exactly that before.



You left the delight. That&#39;s a bummer, i&#39;m serious.
But i can hardly imagine you thought it would be lying around somewhere in this forum, though this forum can certainly lift you from your "mundane" life from time to time.....

Ah, another quip, and a disrespectful one at that. I find that this forum is full of intelligent and funny people. Is being on a forum a "waste of time", should I &#39;get a life", "take a walk and smell the flowers". Why should I not find it here, is there something cut rate about the members. Are they unable to function as sources of insight and inspiration? Or do I need a seminar or guru for that?



At any rate, life does suck, sometimes. But not all the time. You disagree, you think that life fulfills your expectations, good for you.

I guess for me I am at that stage in my life where I have reached my final plateau. Done with school, steady job, finally out of debt. I spent my youth, delaying gratification. I feel like someone who has spent his life swimming to the surface of the ocean, watching the light grow brighter as I ascend, focused only on the getting to the surface. I have finally broken through and I don&#39;t see much but water all around me. But at least I can swim.

[Yogi]

But at least I can swim.


Okay, i won&#39;t quote, quip or use platitudes and mantra&#39;s anymore.

This is getting a wordbattle and i think that&#39;s JP&#39;s department........(with all respect)

We seem to talk/read a different language.

The world is YOU.....


Grtz,

I close.

Yogi

[Billy_Dean]

I guess for me I am at that stage in my life where I have reached my final plateau. Done with school, steady job, finally out of debt. I spent my youth, delaying gratification. I feel like someone who has spent his life swimming to the surface of the ocean, watching the light grow brighter as I ascend, focused only on the getting to the surface. I have finally broken through and I don&#39;t see much but water all around me. But at least I can swim.

I am reminded of Carlos Castenada&#39;s journey with Don Juan, only he flew.

I must say Hobbesy, until SG pointed out your many faults, I took you to be a well rounded intelligent, if somewhat melancholy chap. Maybe I should go back on the pills.


:)

[hobbes]

Originally posted by SensualGardening@25 October 2003 - 18:29

But at least I can swim.


Okay, i won&#39;t quote, quip or use platitudes and mantra&#39;s anymore.

This is getting a wordbattle and i think that&#39;s JP&#39;s department........(with all respect)

We seem to talk/read a different language.

The world is YOU.....


Grtz,

I close.

Yogi
I also see the futility in continuing. We do in fact, communicate on different frequencies.

But, I don&#39;t play word games(battles). I state my opinions and I defend them with evidence and examples.

Word games are for those who are more interested in "being" right, than in what "is" right. Not my style.

[J'Pol]

Without wishing to appear futilistic, I see little future for this thread.

Acknowledgments

hobbes - the word futilistic

clocker - the permission to use it

[hobbes]

Originally posted by JPaul@25 October 2003 - 18:51
Without wishing to appear futilistic, I see little future for this thread.

Acknowledgments

hobbes - the word futilistic

clocker - the permission to use it
From JPaul:

However I am sure you will agree that the language is living and growing.

Just trying to make my humble contribution, glad you approve.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by hobbes+25 October 2003 - 19:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 25 October 2003 - 19:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@25 October 2003 - 18:51
Without wishing to appear futilistic, I see little future for this thread.

Acknowledgments

hobbes - the word futilistic

clocker - the permission to use it
From JPaul:

However I am sure you will agree that the language is living and growing.

Just trying to make my humble contribution, glad you approve. [/b][/quote]
I most soitanly do.

Like I said a bloody fine word. You must be very proud.

[clocker]

Originally posted by JPaul@25 October 2003 - 11:17


Like I said a bloody fine word. You must be very proud.
Proud but still disillusioned.

Perhaps that explains the damage to my garden.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by clocker+25 October 2003 - 19:33--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker &#064; 25 October 2003 - 19:33)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@25 October 2003 - 11:17


Like I said a bloody fine word. You must be very proud.
Proud but still disillusioned.

Perhaps that explains the damage to my garden.[/b][/quote]
I think your new signature, gives us a little insight into what exactly is going on in your garden.

[clocker]

Originally posted by hobbes@25 October 2003 - 11:45

I think your new signature, gives us a little insight into what exactly is going on in your garden.
How very observant.

Ssssshhhhhh....

[bigboab]

Originally posted by clocker+25 October 2003 - 18:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 25 October 2003 - 18:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@25 October 2003 - 11:45

I think your new signature, gives us a little insight into what exactly is going on in your garden.
How very observant.

Ssssshhhhhh.... [/b][/quote]
I just posted this so that innocence and Clocker does not appear in the same line. :D

[hobbes]

Originally posted by bigboab+25 October 2003 - 19:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 25 October 2003 - 19:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by clocker@25 October 2003 - 18:48
<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@25 October 2003 - 11:45

I think your new signature, gives us a little insight into what exactly is going on in your garden.
How very observant.

Ssssshhhhhh....
I just posted this so that innocence and Clocker does not appear in the same line. :D [/b][/quote]
I am more concerned that "clocker" and "thong" do not appear in the same line.