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c0ld
03-29-2010, 05:02 PM
http://torrentfreak.com/images/newzbin.jpgHigh Court Finds Newzbin Liable For Copyright Infringement
March 29, 2010

" Newzbin, the Internet’s premier Usenet indexer, has lost its High Court case against several Hollywood movie studios. Justice Kitchin found the company, which turned over more than £1 million in 2009, liable for copyright infringement and will issue an injunction restricting its activities later this week.

The London High Court showdown between Twentieth Century Fox, Universal, Warner Bros., Paramount, Disney, Columbia Pictures and Newzbin Ltd ended earlier this month.

Mr Adrian Speck represented the claimants, with David Harris and later Ms Jane Lambert representing Newzbin. The case was heard before Mr Justice Kitchin, who this morning delivered his lengthy decision which is summarized below.

The claimants said that Newzbin is a site focused on piracy. It does this by locating and categorizing illicit copies of movies and displays the titles in its indexes, providing users who search for such items a facility to download the items with one click.

Newzbin conversely said that its site is a “content agnostic” search engine very much like Google, and is designed to index all of Usenet. It offers only hyperlinks, meaning that users can access material directly from their Usenet provider, an activity Newzbin plays no part in.

Mr Speck represented the claimants throughout the case but Mr Harris dropped out of defending Newzbin on February 10th when it became apparent he had acquired shares in Newzbin. Ms Lambert took over from him when the trial resumed on 2 March 2010.

The claimants used Andrew Clark, Head of Forensics at Detica Limited, as their expert witness. His description of Usenet was not challenged in court.

Newzbin is run by Chris Elsworth (aka “Caesium”), Thomas Hurst (aka “Freaky”) and Lee Skillen (aka “Kalante”). All three were, until recently, directors and shareholders in Newzbin.

Court documents give a perhaps surprising insight into the size of the Newzbin business. Its accounts for 2009 reveal that it turned over in excess of £1 million, yielded a profit of more than £360,000 and paid dividends on ordinary shares of £415,000. It has around 700,000 members.

Newzbin’s help guides were referred to in the decision. They state that the site can help people find what they’re looking for, “whether that be obscure music, tv shows, games or movies. Think of us as a TV guide, but we’re a guide that applies to Usenet.”

In addition to various features offered by the site, focus was placed on the function and offering of .NZB files – Usenet’s nearest equivalent to .torrent files. Expert witness Mr Clark demonstrated how they could be used to retrieve a copy of a Harry Potter movie via Newzbin with the Usenet client, GrabIt.

The titles of categories used by Newzbin to index content were highlighted, such as Anime, Apps, Books, Consoles, Emulation, Games, Movies, Music, PDA and TV.

Sub-sections of the Movies category were highlighted including CAM, Screener, Telesync, R5 Retail, Blu-Ray, DVD, HD-DVD DivX, XviD. A witness for FACT, the Federation Against Copyright Theft, explained in detail why some of these categories are a “strong indication” of piracy.

Newzbin has members called ‘editors’ who help to compile reports on material to be found on Usenet. Newzbin’s own documentation was used to show that the site encouraged editors to post links to movies. The verdict notes that to assist editors useful links to IMDb and VCDQuality are provided, the latter being useful to provide information about “screeners”.

Referencing rules that Newzbin publishes for the attention of editors, ostensibly to protect the site (i.e not posting NZB’s which link to warez, movies or music), Justice Kitchin states that these warnings are “entirely cosmetic”, are not intended, nor are they adhered to. Newzbin knew that infringing copies were being made available to users and yet no action was taken against editors, he wrote.

Referring to groups indexed by Newzbin such as alt.binaries.warez, Justice Kitchin said he is satisfied that the term ‘warez’ refers to content protected by copyright from illicit sources. Newzbin, he said, is therefore designed to search newsgroups which contain infringing material, an assertion that Newzbin’s Chris Elsworth had no “satisfactory explanation” for.

Justice Kitchin said Newzbin “encouraged its editors to report and has assisted its users to gain access” to infringing copies of movies.

Newzbin was also criticized for its “delisting” or notice and takedown procedures, which were referred to as a “cosmetic” and “cumbersome” mechanism designed to “render it impractical” for rights holders to have material removed.

Justice Kitchin went on to reject Newzbin’s assertion that an insignificant amount of links in their database relate to infringing content. Around 50,000 reports (.NZBs) were checked and around 97% had a valid link to IMDb (TF: Kitchin apparently assumes that everything on IMDB is not free to share), 0.7% to Amazon and a further 1.5% were otherwise shown to be commercially available. Only 0.3% were not shown to be commercially available, evidence which the court found “extremely powerful”.

The verdict addresses in some detail whether Newzbin had knowledge of infringing material being made available via the site. Newzbin said they did not but would’ve taken action to remove items and take action against any editor posting such material. Justice Kitchen said “a very different picture” emerged when Elsworth was cross-examined.

A transcript of the questioning reveals Elsworth being aggressively cross-examined over the nature of the Blu-Ray category on the site and whether it would contain copyright infringing material.

“I am satisfied that Mr Elsworth well knew that these categories were primarily intended for new commercial films,” wrote Justice Kitchin, while referencing a comment made by Elsworth in January 2007 where he notes that Blu-Ray had “been cracked officially”.

The verdict also states that Newzbin was told that the site is being used to infringe the claimants’ copyrights, yet no action has been taken against those reports (NZBs), the editors that reported them, or users that downloaded them.

Justice Kitchin said that considering the structure of Newzbin, the way they categorize content and the way they have encouraged editors to report movies, he has no doubt that Newzbin knew that “the vast majority of films in the Movies category of Newzbin are commercial and so very likely to be protected by copyright, and that members of Newzbin who use its NZB facility to download those materials, including the claimants’ films, are infringing that copyright.”

For the claimants, Mr Clark gave evidence that it would be straightforward for Newzbin to restrict access to the Movie and TV categories on the site and/or employ a filter based on a list of titles provided by the movie companies. Justice Kitchin said that the Newzbin programmers are skilled enough to implement “an effective content filtering system.”

Justice Kitchin found that:

i) Newzbin operates a site “designed and intended to make infringing copies of films readily available to its premium members”.
ii) The site is structured to promote infringement by guiding members to infringing copies via NZBs.
iii) Use of the NZB feature “inevitably” results in the creation of an infringing copy.
iv) Newzbin encouraged and induced its editors to make reports of movies protected by copyright and assisted users to infringe by providing advice.
v) Newzbin profited from infringement.

Newzbin was found liable to the claimants for infringement of their copyrights because it authorized the copying of their movies, “procured and engaged with its premium members in a common design to copy the claimants’ films” and communicated the claimants’ movies to the public.

The claimants appear to be seeking a broad injunction against Newzbin which would prevent it from including any item which infringes copyright in their index. This would extend to all works, not just those to which the claimants own the copyright.

Justice Kitchin wrote that he will not grant such a broad injunction and would instead impose limits on its scope to restrain Newzbin from infringing the copyrights of those movies to which the plaintiffs own the copyright.

“We welcome the Court’s decision today,” said Ted Shapiro, the Motion Picture Association’s general counsel for Europe.

“Newzbin is a source of immense damage to the creative sector in the UK and worldwide. This is an important decision and it sends a clear message that websites focusing on providing viewers with pirated film and TV programmes infringe copyright and are liable for their actions even where those websites don’t themselves host the content.

“This decision will help to support the continued investment in new legal online services and the creation of new films and television shows for enjoyment by audiences both in the UK and around the world.”

Newzbin was given the opportunity to contribute to this and earlier articles, but did not respond to our requests.

The exact terms of the injunction will be announced later this week. "

:source: Source: High Court Finds Newzbin Liable For Copyright Infringement (http://torrentfreak.com/high-court-finds-newzbin-liable-for-copyright-infringement-100329/) | FST Thread (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-newsgroups-79/t-newzbin-found-guilty-403184)
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ipa
03-29-2010, 06:02 PM
Although I expected this result and feel that it is legally correct, I have no intention of stopping my own usage of newsgroups. This does make me wonder what nzb sites are next. A few of the big ones are hosted in the UK I believe, which adds to my concern. Maybe I'll switch to pulling headers, although that seems complicated, or maybe I'll just stick to spotting sites.

It's a pretty big blow to the newsgroup community. Hopefully the domino effect can be contained by the administrators of other nzb forums.

Cabalo
03-29-2010, 06:55 PM
I don't think that other major sites like nzbmatrix, merlins or nzbsrus are going to pull the plug.
newzbin got too big and was making too much money. That drew too many attentions.

1 million £ ! Per year!

c0ld
03-29-2010, 06:59 PM
I think you'll be surprised how much matrix makes. They have very little server costs compared to newzbin and get a significant lump sum up front.

eta; if all of those 700,000 newzbin customers go to matrix now, they'll get £4,900,000!

cola
03-29-2010, 08:13 PM
The other indexers might not pull the plug, but they do have a big target on them now.

bonkers
03-29-2010, 08:48 PM
the stuff is certainly starting to hit the fan

Skiz
03-29-2010, 09:09 PM
Fantastic article with some good detail.

I was a bit surprised at the amount of money they were making.

If people want a summary of that long article, they just need to read this short excerpt to understand how one-sided this was:

Referencing rules that Newzbin publishes for the attention of editors, ostensibly to protect the site (i.e not posting NZB’s which link to warez, movies or music), Justice Kitchin states that these warnings are “entirely cosmetic”, are not intended, nor are they adhered to. Newzbin knew that infringing copies were being made available to users and yet no action was taken against editors, he wrote.

Referring to groups indexed by Newzbin such as alt.binaries.warez, Justice Kitchin said he is satisfied that the term ‘warez’ refers to content protected by copyright from illicit sources. Newzbin, he said, is therefore designed to search newsgroups which contain infringing material, an assertion that Newzbin’s Chris Elsworth had no “satisfactory explanation” for.

Justice Kitchin said Newzbin “encouraged its editors to report and has assisted its users to gain access” to infringing copies of movies.

Newzbin was also criticized for its “delisting” or notice and takedown procedures, which were referred to as a “cosmetic” and “cumbersome” mechanism designed to “render it impractical” for rights holders to have material removed.

Justice Kitchin went on to reject Newzbin’s assertion that an insignificant amount of links in their database relate to infringing content. Around 50,000 reports (.NZBs) were checked and around 97% had a valid link to IMDb (TF: Kitchin apparently assumes that everything on IMDB is not free to share), 0.7% to Amazon and a further 1.5% were otherwise shown to be commercially available. Only 0.3% were not shown to be commercially available, evidence which the court found “extremely powerful”.

The verdict addresses in some detail whether Newzbin had knowledge of infringing material being made available via the site. Newzbin said they did not but would’ve taken action to remove items and take action against any editor posting such material. Justice Kitchen said “a very different picture” emerged when Elsworth was cross-examined.

A transcript of the questioning reveals Elsworth being aggressively cross-examined over the nature of the Blu-Ray category on the site and whether it would contain copyright infringing material.

“I am satisfied that Mr Elsworth well knew that these categories were primarily intended for new commercial films,” wrote Justice Kitchin, while referencing a comment made by Elsworth in January 2007 where he notes that Blu-Ray had “been cracked officially”.

The verdict also states that Newzbin was told that the site is being used to infringe the claimants’ copyrights, yet no action has been taken against those reports (NZBs), the editors that reported them, or users that downloaded them.

Justice Kitchin said that considering the structure of Newzbin, the way they categorize content and the way they have encouraged editors to report movies, he has no doubt that Newzbin knew that “the vast majority of films in the Movies category of Newzbin are commercial and so very likely to be protected by copyright, and that members of Newzbin who use its NZB facility to download those materials, including the claimants’ films, are infringing that copyright.”

For the claimants, Mr Clark gave evidence that it would be straightforward for Newzbin to restrict access to the Movie and TV categories on the site and/or employ a filter based on a list of titles provided by the movie companies. Justice Kitchin said that the Newzbin programmers are skilled enough to implement “an effective content filtering system.”

Rart
03-29-2010, 11:46 PM
:O

I'm going to put this on the front page as well.

A couple things I found interesting:




Newzbin’s help guides were referred to in the decision. They state that the site can help people find what they’re looking for, “whether that be obscure music, tv shows, games or movies. Think of us as a TV guide, but we’re a guide that applies to Usenet."

focus was placed on the function and offering of .NZB files – Usenet’s nearest equivalent to .torrent files.

Newzbin has members called ‘editors’ who help to compile reports on material to be found on Usenet. Newzbin’s own documentation was used to show that the site encouraged editors to post links to movies. The verdict notes that to assist editors useful links to IMDb and VCDQuality are provided, the latter being useful to provide information about “screeners”.

Referring to groups indexed by Newzbin such as alt.binaries.warez, Justice Kitchin said he is satisfied that the term ‘warez’ refers to content protected by copyright from illicit sources. Newzbin, he said, is therefore designed to search newsgroups which contain infringing material, an assertion that Newzbin’s Chris Elsworth had no “satisfactory explanation” for.

Justice Kitchin said Newzbin “encouraged its editors to report and has assisted its users to gain access” to infringing copies of movies.

Justice Kitchin went on to reject Newzbin’s assertion that an insignificant amount of links in their database relate to infringing content. Around 50,000 reports (.NZBs) were checked and around 97% had a valid link to IMDb (TF: Kitchin apparently assumes that everything on IMDB is not free to share), 0.7% to Amazon and a further 1.5% were otherwise shown to be commercially available. Only 0.3% were not shown to be commercially available, evidence which the court found “extremely powerful”.



All of these match or very nearly match the design of nearly every other filesharing protocol, whether it be through DDL, BT, or other usenet indexing sites (although arguably more toward user indexed/private sites than to public, automatic sites). Does this signal that there's far more to come in the future from this decision?

Rart
03-29-2010, 11:47 PM
http://torrentfreak.com/images/newzbin.jpgHigh Court Finds Newzbin Liable For Copyright Infringement
March 29, 2010

" Newzbin, the Internet’s premier Usenet indexer, has lost its High Court case against several Hollywood movie studios. Justice Kitchin found the company, which turned over more than £1 million in 2009, liable for copyright infringement and will issue an injunction restricting its activities later this week.

The London High Court showdown between Twentieth Century Fox, Universal, Warner Bros., Paramount, Disney, Columbia Pictures and Newzbin Ltd ended earlier this month.

Mr Adrian Speck represented the claimants, with David Harris and later Ms Jane Lambert representing Newzbin. The case was heard before Mr Justice Kitchin, who this morning delivered his lengthy decision which is summarized below.

The claimants said that Newzbin is a site focused on piracy. It does this by locating and categorizing illicit copies of movies and displays the titles in its indexes, providing users who search for such items a facility to download the items with one click.

Newzbin conversely said that its site is a “content agnostic” search engine very much like Google, and is designed to index all of Usenet. It offers only hyperlinks, meaning that users can access material directly from their Usenet provider, an activity Newzbin plays no part in.

Mr Speck represented the claimants throughout the case but Mr Harris dropped out of defending Newzbin on February 10th when it became apparent he had acquired shares in Newzbin. Ms Lambert took over from him when the trial resumed on 2 March 2010.

The claimants used Andrew Clark, Head of Forensics at Detica Limited, as their expert witness. His description of Usenet was not challenged in court.

Newzbin is run by Chris Elsworth (aka “Caesium”), Thomas Hurst (aka “Freaky”) and Lee Skillen (aka “Kalante”). All three were, until recently, directors and shareholders in Newzbin.

Court documents give a perhaps surprising insight into the size of the Newzbin business. Its accounts for 2009 reveal that it turned over in excess of £1 million, yielded a profit of more than £360,000 and paid dividends on ordinary shares of £415,000. It has around 700,000 members.

Newzbin’s help guides were referred to in the decision. They state that the site can help people find what they’re looking for, “whether that be obscure music, tv shows, games or movies. Think of us as a TV guide, but we’re a guide that applies to Usenet.”

In addition to various features offered by the site, focus was placed on the function and offering of .NZB files – Usenet’s nearest equivalent to .torrent files. Expert witness Mr Clark demonstrated how they could be used to retrieve a copy of a Harry Potter movie via Newzbin with the Usenet client, GrabIt.

The titles of categories used by Newzbin to index content were highlighted, such as Anime, Apps, Books, Consoles, Emulation, Games, Movies, Music, PDA and TV.

Sub-sections of the Movies category were highlighted including CAM, Screener, Telesync, R5 Retail, Blu-Ray, DVD, HD-DVD DivX, XviD. A witness for FACT, the Federation Against Copyright Theft, explained in detail why some of these categories are a “strong indication” of piracy.

Newzbin has members called ‘editors’ who help to compile reports on material to be found on Usenet. Newzbin’s own documentation was used to show that the site encouraged editors to post links to movies. The verdict notes that to assist editors useful links to IMDb and VCDQuality are provided, the latter being useful to provide information about “screeners”.

Referencing rules that Newzbin publishes for the attention of editors, ostensibly to protect the site (i.e not posting NZB’s which link to warez, movies or music), Justice Kitchin states that these warnings are “entirely cosmetic”, are not intended, nor are they adhered to. Newzbin knew that infringing copies were being made available to users and yet no action was taken against editors, he wrote.

Referring to groups indexed by Newzbin such as alt.binaries.warez, Justice Kitchin said he is satisfied that the term ‘warez’ refers to content protected by copyright from illicit sources. Newzbin, he said, is therefore designed to search newsgroups which contain infringing material, an assertion that Newzbin’s Chris Elsworth had no “satisfactory explanation” for.

Justice Kitchin said Newzbin “encouraged its editors to report and has assisted its users to gain access” to infringing copies of movies.

Newzbin was also criticized for its “delisting” or notice and takedown procedures, which were referred to as a “cosmetic” and “cumbersome” mechanism designed to “render it impractical” for rights holders to have material removed.

Justice Kitchin went on to reject Newzbin’s assertion that an insignificant amount of links in their database relate to infringing content. Around 50,000 reports (.NZBs) were checked and around 97% had a valid link to IMDb (TF: Kitchin apparently assumes that everything on IMDB is not free to share), 0.7% to Amazon and a further 1.5% were otherwise shown to be commercially available. Only 0.3% were not shown to be commercially available, evidence which the court found “extremely powerful”.

The verdict addresses in some detail whether Newzbin had knowledge of infringing material being made available via the site. Newzbin said they did not but would’ve taken action to remove items and take action against any editor posting such material. Justice Kitchen said “a very different picture” emerged when Elsworth was cross-examined.

A transcript of the questioning reveals Elsworth being aggressively cross-examined over the nature of the Blu-Ray category on the site and whether it would contain copyright infringing material.

“I am satisfied that Mr Elsworth well knew that these categories were primarily intended for new commercial films,” wrote Justice Kitchin, while referencing a comment made by Elsworth in January 2007 where he notes that Blu-Ray had “been cracked officially”.

The verdict also states that Newzbin was told that the site is being used to infringe the claimants’ copyrights, yet no action has been taken against those reports (NZBs), the editors that reported them, or users that downloaded them.

Justice Kitchin said that considering the structure of Newzbin, the way they categorize content and the way they have encouraged editors to report movies, he has no doubt that Newzbin knew that “the vast majority of films in the Movies category of Newzbin are commercial and so very likely to be protected by copyright, and that members of Newzbin who use its NZB facility to download those materials, including the claimants’ films, are infringing that copyright.”

For the claimants, Mr Clark gave evidence that it would be straightforward for Newzbin to restrict access to the Movie and TV categories on the site and/or employ a filter based on a list of titles provided by the movie companies. Justice Kitchin said that the Newzbin programmers are skilled enough to implement “an effective content filtering system.”

Justice Kitchin found that:

i) Newzbin operates a site “designed and intended to make infringing copies of films readily available to its premium members”.
ii) The site is structured to promote infringement by guiding members to infringing copies via NZBs.
iii) Use of the NZB feature “inevitably” results in the creation of an infringing copy.
iv) Newzbin encouraged and induced its editors to make reports of movies protected by copyright and assisted users to infringe by providing advice.
v) Newzbin profited from infringement.

Newzbin was found liable to the claimants for infringement of their copyrights because it authorized the copying of their movies, “procured and engaged with its premium members in a common design to copy the claimants’ films” and communicated the claimants’ movies to the public.

The claimants appear to be seeking a broad injunction against Newzbin which would prevent it from including any item which infringes copyright in their index. This would extend to all works, not just those to which the claimants own the copyright.

Justice Kitchin wrote that he will not grant such a broad injunction and would instead impose limits on its scope to restrain Newzbin from infringing the copyrights of those movies to which the plaintiffs own the copyright.

“We welcome the Court’s decision today,” said Ted Shapiro, the Motion Picture Association’s general counsel for Europe.

“Newzbin is a source of immense damage to the creative sector in the UK and worldwide. This is an important decision and it sends a clear message that websites focusing on providing viewers with pirated film and TV programmes infringe copyright and are liable for their actions even where those websites don’t themselves host the content.

“This decision will help to support the continued investment in new legal online services and the creation of new films and television shows for enjoyment by audiences both in the UK and around the world.”

Newzbin was given the opportunity to contribute to this and earlier articles, but did not respond to our requests.

The exact terms of the injunction will be announced later this week. "

:source: Source: High Court Finds Newzbin Liable For Copyright Infringement (http://torrentfreak.com/high-court-finds-newzbin-liable-for-copyright-infringement-100329/) | FST Thread (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-newsgroups-79/t-newzbin-found-guilty-403184)
:view: Homepage: TorrentFreak (http://torrentfreak.com)

xuxoxux
03-30-2010, 12:48 AM
Let me be the first to say that that is a load of bullshit.
Ok. All I had to say.

megabyteme
03-30-2010, 02:03 AM
The biggest issue here is...


v) Newzbin profited from infringement.

Any site/index that is designed to take in regular, monthly income from subscribers is asking for a huge lawsuit. And, just like Napster, it is incredibly bold (read stupid) to create a publicly traded company on that model.

Rart
03-30-2010, 03:07 AM
That aspect had surprised me as well at first read - I had absolutely no idea Newzbin was a publically traded company. It almost seems like a death wish.

Nor did I realize the extent of Newzbin's userbase (and consequently the actual profit they make from a seemingly harmless small yearly fee).

willpower12
03-30-2010, 04:27 AM
Let me be the first to say that that is a load of bullshit.
Ok. All I had to say.

I couldn't agree more...

So does this mean I'm going to have to switch to another program?

Any suggestions for an alternative?

unoriginal
03-30-2010, 05:42 AM
The biggest issue here is...


v) Newzbin profited from infringement.Any site/index that is designed to take in regular, monthly income from subscribers is asking for a huge lawsuit. And, just like Napster, it is incredibly bold (read stupid) to create a publicly traded company on that model.

I don't think they were publicly traded as in a stock exchange sense. I think the shares were referring to people who initially put up money at the beginning to start newzbin and then got a regular disbursement or dividend based off that. I could be reading the decision wrong but that's how it looks to me. More like a venture capital type arrangement than one where Joe Sixpack can put down 20 for a couple shares in a company listed on the NYSE.

darkmawl
03-30-2010, 07:53 AM
I do not totally disagree with this sentence. Had Newsbin just been a plain search engine for NZB files they would be OK, but they indexed everything with indicated they wanted people to find illegal items.

In that case you assist people doing something illegal so it does not really come as an shocker. It's a thin line though, where does it stop? When do we hold someone accountable? Had they called those thing "Legal TV items" or whatever would they have then still been held accountable?

megabyteme
03-30-2010, 10:12 AM
I do remember that Napster was of the "Joe Sixpack" type. This article reads similarly to me, but these stories are often twisted out of proportion. You certainly could be correct about the venture capitalist arrangement.


Its accounts for 2009 reveal that it turned over in excess of £1 million, yielded a profit of more than £360,000 and paid dividends on ordinary shares of £415,000. It has around 700,000 members.

Edit- I tried to find a per share price and came up empty handed. Looks like you are right. Good catch!

c0ld
03-30-2010, 10:45 AM
As someone on another forum pointed out, the 700,000 members thing is a BS figure. They'd only need 10% of that for a £1mil turnover. I'd imagine 90% were dormant accounts.

I don't mind that they made money from it. They provided a service that was well worth the small cost.

megabyteme
03-30-2010, 10:59 AM
The problem with sites/indexes turning a profit is that it gives the movie/record industries a valid argument against filesharing. It is the difference between a library and a retail store. Greed hurts the community every time.

c0ld
03-30-2010, 11:51 AM
I'd imagine even binsearch turns a tidy profit. Most ratio based private trackers are cash cows too. Once you accept the fact that a sizeable site needs expensive servers and so needs a working business model to pay for them, it isn't a huge leap to see some profit too.

ipa
03-30-2010, 12:53 PM
All of these match or very nearly match the design of nearly every other filesharing protocol, whether it be through DDL, BT, or other usenet indexing sites (although arguably more toward user indexed/private sites than to public, automatic sites). Does this signal that there's far more to come in the future from this decision?


I think it's pretty clear that any site that is organized around facilitating the download of a hash file of any kind that gives the end user the ability to download copyright infringing files is likely to be held liable. Profit is a secondary consideration that is included in order to prove intent, damages, criminal liability, etc. If they can show a site's browse page and it has 99% copyrighted movies, tv shows, games, etc. and the rules and organization of the site apparently provide structure to this kind of material being shared, then it is easy to infer that the site explicitly intends to facilitate copyright infringement.

I wonder whether the spotting sites or simple indexing sites might be a bit safer. I agree that the more automatic a site is, the less likely they are to be held liable, but more along the lines of binsearch than nzbs.org.


Newzbin has publicly responded, but they don't offer anything substantial to support their assertions, just generalizations about the entertainment industry and stuff like this:

“The site provides a generalised search facility for binary content found on Usenet and not infringing material. Any of the material we index can be found on any one of a thousand sites on the Internet so pursuit of us is a futile waste of everyone’s time and money,” they added.

http://torrentfreak.com/newzbin-slams-movie-studios-after-court-defeat-100330

mediafired
03-30-2010, 01:18 PM
There is a bank over there..... ( I have a database of bank locations)

If you take that info ... then rob the bank.... how is it my fault ?


Creating a database should not be illegal.

Lets hope the source code for nzb databases go public.
After all , most releases already have an nzb released with them.
A standard ""catagory info"" , ""nfo link"" , ""site link"" added to the nzb file would make the indexing of files a breeze. And independent of any indexing site.

Solariz
03-30-2010, 04:02 PM
Let me be the first to say that that is a load of bullshit.
Ok. All I had to say.

I couldn't agree more...

So does this mean I'm going to have to switch to another program?

Any suggestions for an alternative?

Great first post :01:

Sporkk
03-30-2010, 09:51 PM
I'm surprised they aren't taking on news providers instead.
Anything that finds or helps you find copyrighted stuff is at risk of being shut down.

SonsOfLiberty
03-31-2010, 02:57 AM
I think you'll be surprised how much matrix makes. They have very little server costs compared to newzbin and get a significant lump sum up front.

eta; if all of those 700,000 newzbin customers go to matrix now, they'll get £4,900,000!


I'm not surprised, I was wondering why FST al of a sudden had like 900 people viewing some TV shows.

Beck38
03-31-2010, 03:13 PM
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shouted questions; "What about the First and Second Amendents to the Constitution?" was

the primary rallying cry.

The color from Chief Roberts face drained, and he huriedly gathered the other 8

Justices around him, then returned to the podium.


"Never Mind" he explained to the stunned crowd.


THIS HAS BEEN A BIZZARO WORLD BREAKING NEWS REPORT!

c0ld
03-31-2010, 07:45 PM
Lol, matrix is getting loads of requests for features from newzbin, and the topics are getting locked. Matrix devs haven't got the knowhow to code it.

SonsOfLiberty
04-01-2010, 02:55 AM
Lol, matrix is getting loads of requests for features from newzbin, and the topics are getting locked. Matrix devs haven't got the knowhow to code it.

What's the odd's there on the short list? NO site will take on what Newzbin did, just for the fact of the ruling, if they did they would be nuts, looks like NZB sits might be going the way of the "private sits", I'm at one, but doesn't have the same effect FST does...oh well maybe they will flock to our new NZB site that will be up some time soon :)

c0ld
04-01-2010, 11:41 AM
What's the odd's there on the short list? NO site will take on what Newzbin did, just for the fact of the ruling, if they did they would be nuts,

Afaict, the ruling picked up on newzbins category system more than anything else, and in that respect NZBmatrix is already the same as newzbin.

The features being asked for, ie a raw header system, a decent search engine, a more flexible rss system, better sorting etc, aren't things that got newzbin in trouble.

yuit
04-03-2010, 04:14 AM
sounds like they really had bad lawyers. but I don't think any lawyer could have won.

james_bond_rulez
04-03-2010, 09:22 AM
so is filesharingtalk gonna take down its nzb section as well?

Snee
04-03-2010, 11:34 AM
"The damage done to America by this wonton promotion of firearm violence will,

hopefully, come to an end with the disbanding of these outlaws!"
Were they,

giving away free dumplings with every gun?

nosal
04-03-2010, 06:35 PM
Soo....has it actually started filtering content or what?.