PassThePopcorn or PassTheChildPorn

[DWCreeper167]

Sorry to make this sound like a joke by the title but I’m hoping it got your attention. Many know me as Azazel and I used to staff at PassThePopcorn(PTP) and obviously use the name Azazel on countless other places as well. Tonight there was a little skype conference between the PTP sysops and I joined in to chat, joke, help or w/e. In this chat is myself, exodussquared(ptp sysop), Jeremy(ptp sysop name of z or jerrcs, jon(ptp developer and rl friend of Jeremy) and spektormax(ptp founder/sysop).

Not much was happening because they were talking via skype call and I was just typing as it’s late at night for me. Spektormax was posting random 4chan pics, some porn, some weird crap, typical 4chan stuff. Then he started posting 510chan links which I assumed was just like 4chan. Like the idiot I am I clicked the first 2 510chan links just to see child porn on my screen. I stopped clicking after that and started Pming the other ptp sysops about wtf was going on. I was disgusted obviously and left. I quit ptp irc and join another trackers irc. Anyway, here is a pic of the skype chat. These links ARE child porn and I beg you all not to type in the url.

I am posting this here because I am disgusted and beyond caring at the moment. This bastard deserves to be shot and it’s completely within PTP’s sysops hands to at the very least report him to the feds but instead they continued to chat with him like it’s no big deal. PTP obviously knows where he lives as he’s friends with some of the sysops in real life and yet they do nothing.

Anyway, think of this what you will but something needs to be done about this.

[mrnobody]

change the title and i might bother reading. it isn't even funny :S

edit: unless you're saying the site offers childpron or something of that short.

[Slickerey]

The only thing I can say is that I am disgusted. I could not believe my eyes when I found out that what you're saying is true. I do believe what you say because you (obviously) provided us with screenshots.

I didn't type in the URLs or anything, but if spektormax is looking at those types of things, then I must say that it's something really sad of him to do. I never thought that the SysOp of a very large and well-known site would do something as repugnant as that.

[Quarterquack]

It seems like you've been against a lot of people lately, Aza. :lol:

Jokes aside, it's downright wrong. I mean stumbling onto it on the fap board of a random chan site is excusable, not like he was looking for it (or was he) but spreading it around is just wrong. I'm not going to ask his friends to report him to the feds, for all we know, they went and had a buddy-gasm to the pictures after talking about it. However, it'll be funny to see how this one plays out, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few sick pre's.

Also, I like all the well known people browsing this thread, quite hilarious how people show up just to see the latest drama.

[zzz4]

Hi guys.

I'm z - a sysop from PTP. After being linked this from IRC, I'd like to mention a few things and perhaps clear this up.

First off, neither me, Azazel, or Ex2 had anything to do with the posting of these links. Spektormax posted these on his own, and we told him to not post anything. He stopped afterwards (I was in the middle of grabbing my dinner). The 4chan links were stupid and totally off topic, just random things, but SFW.

The PM log between me and Azazel is accurate. I can't do anything about this, though. I avoided the links, and I have nothing to do with it.

On defense of the site, spektormax is not a sysop and this incident has nothing to do with PTP at all. He's a Founder, which is pretty much an inactive staffer. He doesn't have time for our site, and that's fine... I don't see why PTP was brought into this, at all.

I will say, however, this sort of content is extremely sickening, and we do not support it whatsoever. The author of this post wasn't even a part of the call, but instead just in the chat, and could not hear the communications between us.

Also, with all due respect, I would appreciate his topic being edited or at least made accurate by recognizing this was not the efforts of PTP staff as a whole, or anything associated with the site. I'd also appreciate if our names being censored, because this is not fair to the innocent, who do not want our personal identity being given away on a public forum.

Thank you,
z
PTP SysOp

[chrisbeebops]

The only thing I can say is that I am disgusted. I could not believe my eyes when I found out that what you're saying is true. I do believe what you say because you (obviously) provided us with screenshots.

I didn't type in the URLs or anything, but if spektormax is looking at those types of things, then I must say that it's something really sad of him to do. I never thought that the SysOp of a very large and well-known site would do something as repugnant as that.

Took the words right out of my mouth. A staffer at another tracker brought this up on irc about an hour ago. Didn't believe him till he posted the first screen shown here. No one dared to try the links.

[Tv Controls you]

PTP’s sysops hands to at the very least report him to the feds

That is not the right thing to do, it will bring unwanted attention to Ptp

Also... zzz4 cut out the shit

Also, with all due respect, I would appreciate his topic being edited or at least made accurate by recognizing this was not the efforts of PTP staff as a whole, or anything associated with the site. I'd also appreciate if our names being censored, because this is not fair to the innocent, who do not want our personal identity being given away on a public forum.

Your trying to tell us that one of your founders isn't representing ptp as a site. That's a joke.

The links to the pictures are 404ed so I will not draw any conclusions myself as the pictures very well may have been legal....
The only thing I will add in though is that a founder directly reflects on a sites outward appearance.

[Rart]

He's a Founder, which is pretty much an inactive staffer.

What is it with site owners and being inactive? The owner of FST hasn't logged on in almost 2 years :idunno:

[zzz4]

Also... zzz4 cut out the shit
...
Your trying to tell us that one of your founders isn't representing ptp as a site. That's a joke.

The links to the pictures are 404ed so I will not draw any conclusions myself as the pictures very well may have been legal....
The only thing I will add in though is that a founder directly reflects on a sites outward appearance.

Thanks for the reply. I will say that actions done in a private conversation cannot reflect the site. If something like this was posted on our forums, or the IRC, it would be dealt with in site, and it would reflect on the site (if it was kept up, or sponsored by a staff member). However, a private Skype chat between two current site members (who didn't post anything in the chat), an inactive staffer (spektormax), and Azazel (a retired Legend/non-staff), is something that should not be tied to the site.

This is obviously important to us, because we don't want people to get the wrong impression. We have seen IRC logs, it was taken way out of context and yes, there will be some people upset. But we aren't role models, and this site is not being used as a communication device (such as forums, IRC, or private messaging), so it's unfair to tie the two together.

Thanks for everyones responses, whether positive or negative. I hope the chan site hosting the images is taken down and people behind the actual uploads have their IPs logs and are reported to their local authorities.

[Darhole]

Azazel is such an attention whore.

[Tv Controls you]

Thanks for the reply. I will say that actions done in a private conversation cannot reflect the site. If something like this was posted on our forums, or the IRC, it would be dealt with in site, and it would reflect on the site (if it was kept up, or sponsored by a staff member). However, a private Skype chat between two current site members (who didn't post anything in the chat), an inactive staffer (spektormax), and Azazel (a retired Legend/non-staff), is something that should not be tied to the site.

This is obviously important to us, because we don't want people to get the wrong impression. We have seen IRC logs, it was taken way out of context and yes, there will be some people upset. But we aren't role models, and this site is not being used as a communication device (such as forums, IRC, or private messaging), so it's unfair to tie the two together.

Thanks for everyones responses, whether positive or negative. I hope the chan site hosting the images is taken down and people behind the actual uploads have their IPs logs and are reported to their local authorities.

I think your getting the wrong impression from me.

I don't care where, who, and when your founder posted those links.
He is still a representative for your site.

How can a picture of an underage child be taken out of context?
There really isn't much confusion with the posting of such content.

The way you disassociate yourself with the founder inclines me to believe that he is guilty of posting unquestionable illegal content.
Further more your passing of the blame to 510chan is insulting to anonymous talk, as they work hard to remove any unacceptable pictures.
If such content was posted on 510chan the poster of the content will be ip banned from the website, and legal actions may be taken against them.

[zzz4]

If such content was posted on 510chan the poster of the content will be ip banned from the website, and legal actions may be taken against them.

We're beating a dead horse by fighting, and I've said what I needed to say. I do hope that legal actions are taken against those who uploaded the images though.

[Tv Controls you]

We're beating a dead horse by fighting, and I've said what I needed to say. I do hope that legal actions are taken against those who posted the images though.

Your founder redistributed the pictures via the chat... Should he not be penalized for this also?

[Darhole]

We're beating a dead horse by fighting, and I've said what I needed to say. I do hope that legal actions are taken against those who posted the images though.

Your founder redistributed the pictures via the chat... Should he not be penalized for this also?


FYI, these links are all 404 errors. gg

[Quarterquack]

FYI, these links are all 404 errors. gg

Simply because the chan is moderated and any cp is removed straight away. There's even a thread saying the pictures got cleared. Don't act oblivious to the fact that what the staffer was accused of did occur, it helps no one.

[zzz4]

We're beating a dead horse by fighting, and I've said what I needed to say. I do hope that legal actions are taken against those who posted the images though.

Your founder redistributed the pictures via the chat... Should he not be penalized for this also?

I think that it was a wrong thing to do, but I am not the person in question, so it's kinda not my call on posting them or dealing with it. Simply because I happened to be in the group, I'm instantly involved. This is the upsetting thing about all this.


Its funny what power does to people. You would defend a pedophile to keep your position at ptp. PATHETIC
If you continue to support a site that condones the posting of child pornography, that up to you. But I will show zero support for such trash.
The fact that you stay political on the whole matter just disgusts me.

Since I cannot make a reply, I will make it here.

Our site doesn't condone it, and spektormax isn't a sysop. He's an inactive staff right now. And he's not a pedophile.

[Tv Controls you]

I think that it was a wrong thing to do, but I am not the person in question, so it's kinda not my call on posting them or dealing with it. Simply because I happened to be in the group, I'm instantly involved. This is the upsetting thing about all this.

I knew you wouldn't answer the question....

Its funny what power does to people. You would defend a pedophile to keep your position at ptp. PATHETIC
If you continue to support a site that condones the posting of child pornography, that up to you. But I will show zero support for such trash.
The fact that you stay political on the whole matter just disgusts me.

[Chris_Hansen]

Sup, I heard there was some CP

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u41/Sudsmcgee/ChrisHansen.jpg

[nnnnnn]

I know this is serious but this case shouldn't be in any way associated with ptp. Again, let's not forget spektormax stopped posting the links after he was told to stop. Azazel your actions are like that of a child, you could've discussed it with other staffs instead of posting the link all over many sites and stamping negative image on ptp. You know we could have all talked about it and put an end to it.

[zzz4]

I knew you wouldn't answer the question....

Its funny what power does to people. You would defend a pedophile to keep your position at ptp. PATHETIC

Keep my position? I am a sysop, and he does not have power over me. He's an inactive staffer, and any decision to remove me would be made by all sysops (a rank which he isn't even a part of). I'm not trying to save my ass here.

[Aristocles]

Delete my account from PTP. A founder is a degenerate bitch (re-posting links) and two staffers do not turn the bitch in?

Not a place I want to associate with.

My nick here is my nick there. I will not log back on.

[A]

Also Tv controls you,you are really controlled by TV lol.Just because someone from a group posted some links,how can the whole group be held responsible?and they also said very clearly that they dont condone it anywhere in their forums or irc.You are just stirring up shit war.

[raygold]

Sup, I heard there was some CP

None here, sir.

[Kate28]

This is no way a reflection of PTP as a site.
Spektormax has been absent from daily and backend operations for many months and his despicable actions do not fall in line with the opinions of any staff member or userbase. His glaring lack of social skills, morality, and questionable judgement should not be seen in any context with PTP. He is an entity onto himself.
Further steps will be taken to distance ourselves from him and his actions.

Again, they were reprimanding him for the links he posted. Azazels perspective is only of the chat portion and should not be taken as a full account of the event.
While Spektormax's moral ambiguity can not be denied, Azazel is using this as a weapon and the start to a smear campaign against the site.

[Chris_Hansen]

I shall take care of this.

My superiors and I at Dateline NBC have been working on a case against PtP for roughly 6 months.

The evidence of hidden child pornography embedded into their content is horrendous. This is a dark day for the entire BitTorrent community.

[Aristocles]

Also Tv controls you,you are really controlled by TV lol.Just because someone from a group posted some links,how can the whole group be held responsible?and they also said very clearly that they dont condone it anywhere in their forums or irc.You are just stirring up shit war.

Here's how:

If you are in a group and some degenerate posts such filth, you are held responsible, in my world, if you do not take action against the pervert. If someone posts vile links for their interlocutors, these people have a duty to turn them in.

[raygold]

I shall take care of this.

My superiors and I at Dateline NBC have been working on a case against PtP for roughly 6 months.

The evidence of hidden child pornography embedded into their content is horrendous. This is a dark day for the entire BitTorrent community.

As an avid lover of the content provided, I really have to point out that what happened here was not a mistake, at any given level.

It was a repost, spawned by the disgust of a Sys-Op at what he saw while he was fapping.

[Darhole]

I shall take care of this.

My superiors and I at Dateline NBC have been working on a case against PtP for roughly 6 months.

The evidence of hidden child pornography embedded into their content is horrendous. This is a dark day for the entire BitTorrent community.

You sir are fucking hysterical

[A]

If you are in a group and some degenerate posts such filth, you are held responsible, in my world, if you do not take action against the pervert. If someone posts vile links for their interlocutors, these people have a duty to turn them in.
How thougthful of you.So you are saying the guys running PTP an illegal filesharing network to run to FEDS and report this incident.Are you telling them to fuck their lifes themselfs?

[Cabalo]

I have removed the initial screens, as it was politely requested, though they don't show any names, only nicknames.
Those screens were globally acknowledge by the parts to be real, so there's no need to keep them.

About the issue in question, it's normal that ex fellow staffers wouldn't take such a hard stance to one of their comrades, but in the sake of PTP staff's integrity and image to the community, it would be important to put yourselves at some distance from the person who posted such screens.

Just my 2 cents.

[Aristocles]

If you are in a group and some degenerate posts such filth, you are held responsible, in my world, if you do not take action against the pervert. If someone posts vile links for their interlocutors, these people have a duty to turn them in.
How thougthful of you.So you are saying the guys running PTP an illegal filesharing network to run to FEDS and report this incident.Are you telling them to fuck their lifes themselfs?

Neither Stephen Hawking, I am telling these people if a guy posted such a vile link in a Skype conversation, then he should be turned into LE. Surely you get this, what with your demonstrable intellect. I guess you missed the part about it in no way occurring on the site itself.

File sharing versus the aforesaid. . . jeeze

And it's lives and themselves. . .

[A]

Surely you get this, what with your demonstrable intellect. I guess you missed the part about it in no way occurring on the site itself.
and you think FEDS wont check into the skype history etc,and you think they wont find any connections to the tracker.yea rite.Or FEDS now arrest people by not checking logs/history or by not doing back ground check etc?And why would the admins/mods want themselves to be involved in an investigation?


demonstrable intellect
hmmm

[Aristocles]

and you think FEDS wont check into the skype history etc,and you think they wont find any connections to the tracker.yea rite.Or FEDS now arrest people by not checking logs/history or by not doing back ground check etc?And why would the admins/mods want themselves to be involved in an investigation?


demonstrable intellect
hmmm

Stephen:

To answer you in a word: No. No I do not. If you see someone being assaulted and robbed while you are jaywalking, I guess you would do nothing.

Look, I find degenerates who engage in that filth to be the serpent's bellies of this oblate spheroid we exist on. I find anyone who doesn't act- regardless of personal risk- to stop them, reprehensible.

Yes, demonstrable. You clearly demonstrated it via your employment of the terms "lifes" and "themselfs".

[A]

To answer you in a word: No. No I do not. If you see someone being assaulted and robbed while you are jaywalking, I guess you would do nothing.
If I have done anything wrong past/present I wouldnt dare to put myself in the middle of any investigations but I will try to help him/her myself by not involving the police.(In this case the mods/admin are distancing themselves from that guy).But if I havent done anything wrong past/present,I will have no fear in involving myself in an investigation.Is it so hard to grasp?


Yes, demonstrable. You clearly demonstrated it via your employment of the terms "lifes" and "themselfs".
lol

[megabyteme]

but in the sake of PTP staff's integrity and image to the community, it would be important to put yourselves at some distance from the person who posted such screens.

Absolutely correct.

Every time authorities need to enact censorship or monitoring on the internet, it is done in the name of anti-child pornography. Any connection to the (now publicly named*) individual is a
huge black mark on the site- and perhaps this community as a whole.

PTP needs to make a clear statement about its stance on the issue by permanently banning that individual.


As for the thread starter... the staff of PtP should have been alerted to your concerns before making this public. Also, the fact that you created a new account to post this here indicates you have probably spread the word to several other sites as well.

Bottom line- you should have handled this better yourself. Ever hear the term, "you protest too much"? You have not only brought unneeded attention to PtP, but you have also made yourself look like a tattle-tale child. Grow up. There is a lot of bad in the world- this individual may have simply been stupid, or may have a true problem. Not everything needs to become an investigation. A few harsh words from his peers may have been enough to put an end to his actions.

If I were in charge of a site, you would not be welcome there due to your poor handling of this. You are no hero...:dry:

[IdolEyes787]

If I have done anything wrong past/present I wouldnt dare to put myself in the middle of any investigations but I will try to help him/her myself by not involving the police.(In this case the mods/admin are distancing themselves from that guy).But if I havent done anything wrong past/present,I will have no fear in involving myself in an investigation.Is it so hard to grasp?


Yes, demonstrable. You clearly demonstrated it via your employment of the terms "lifes" and "themselfs".
lol

I seem to recall hearing someplace:dry: that Law enforcement takes child pornography very seriously and spends considerable time and resources on tracking down those that distribute it.
I doubt( but you never know) if the person mentioned in this thread has serious ties to any network, but you are kidding yourself if you think that such an incident given voice here as other places will pass totally unnoticed by the authorities.
Those with any connection to the person allegedly guilty of doing it should take any and all actions appropriate to distance themselves from him or start considering what they might say to "the Feds" when asked "why when they knew about this they did nothing?"

Totally personal note but who the Hell would consider uploading something like that even as a joke?
I ask the same question of the OP who apparently linked to it.

[ca_aok]

For those of you saying the feds wouldn't notice his connections to PTP... there's nothing saying he wouldn't turn them in as retaliation or as an attempt to lighten his sentence. Tit for tat as it were.

I honestly have no idea what I'd do myself in that situation. It's all well and good for those of us up in our ivory towers to say we'd have called him in immediately, but we weren't there, we don't know him, and this doesn't involve us. He's a despicable person and should be called to task for it though, and the PTP staff are the only people who can do that.

[Aristocles]

For those of you saying the feds wouldn't notice his connections to PTP... there's nothing saying he wouldn't turn them in as retaliation or as an attempt to lighten his sentence. Tit for tat as it were.

I honestly have no idea what I'd do myself in that situation. It's all well and good for those of us up in our ivory towers to say we'd have called him in immediately, but we weren't there, we don't know him, and this doesn't involve us. He's a despicable person and should be called to task for it though, and the PTP staff are the only people who can do that.

Well, if this directed at my comments, listen up.

1) I do not reside in an ivory tower but I do not have to to condemn a despicable pervert. Do you think if you are witness to one of the more vile actions of a human being that you must reside in an ivory tower to stand up and do something?
2) The guy who posted this is probably pissed about something else and lacks the moral courage to do shit about it.
3) Lighten his sentence? Are you joking? You are talking about a serious federal crime versus file sharing. "You are going to get 15-20 years but hey, rat out your buddies file sharing site and we'll knock off a decade or so. . ."

The last thing the community needs are disgusting freaks like this associated with it.

[thisguy]

what is todays world coming too

[DWCreeper167]

To those who think I'm just some random member who is relaying information, that's not the case. I am Azazel. This account was made on here long ago but never used as part of my job at PTP and other places to catch traders and what not. When someone suggested I post this on here, I used this account which is the only one I have on here.

I DID speak to both z and exodussquared regarding this via IRC and I even included pics of the chat logs I had with them as proof of this. None of this has been denied by the PTP sysops, I just want to remind you all of that.

I didn't intend for this to me a smear campaign against the site itself but I had no choice. z and exodussquared were both in the convo, both saw what max was posting, both were contacted by me and asked to do something about this.

Nothing was done obviously. They are standing up for someone posting child porn links whether or not he was the one who uploaded them to begin with. I still don't see how this isn't a big deal yet they just look at it like "max just being max".

[DanielleD87]

entertaining: SpektorMax.Admins.Are.ChildPorn.Site.LEAVE.PTP.ASAP_(tinyurl.com_ptpsickfucks)-Report.To.2021.FEDERALGoV

[Quarterquack]

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few sick pre's.

I called that one!

[ca_aok]

Is there an actual nfo? I didn't find it at first glance.

[Quarterquack]

Is there an actual nfo? I didn't find it at first glance.

I think she might have been making a joke. I looked and couldn't find anything, either.

[IdolEyes787]

.........

[NippleCake]

Is there an actual nfo? I didn't find it at first glance.

Why would there be. This is uninteresting p2p shenanigans. Not scene. most people in p2p just have access to pre names, they wont be able to spread releases. Really lame if you ask me.

[mrnobody]

so did the person posting child pron get banned?

[megabyteme]

I didn't intend for this to me a smear campaign against the site itself but I had no choice. z and exodussquared were both in the convo, both saw what max was posting, both were contacted by me and asked to do something about this.

Nothing was done obviously. They are standing up for someone posting child porn links whether or not he was the one who uploaded them to begin with. I still don't see how this isn't a big deal yet they just look at it like "max just being max".

One of the HUGE problems here is that you DID, in fact, have a choice. You did so poorly.

Instead of contacting the site (5chan) and requesting that the child porn be deleted so no one else came across it, you ran to this site and posted your "proof" to others. IN A VERY PUBLIC FORUM. Let's go over that one more time... YOU POSTED LINKS TO CHILD PORN IN A PUBLIC FORUM. More people probably saw those pics as a result of your righteous indignation than would have ever come across them otherwise.

I don't know pedoMax or anyone else being discussed. I do know you have brought more attention to this (pedoMax, PtP, FST, and the BT community) than was necessary. You did so by spreading the filth to others. :frusty:

This reeks of the "anti-traders" (apparently you are one of those, too. Go figure...) who run around preaching against something, or catching the "bad guys" so much that you also become a problem.

It's the old, "I have been publicly against X,Y,and Z so I could not possibly be an X,Y, or z. See?..." :w00t:

Politicians do this too. Usually the ones who are vocal against something eventually get caught being EXTREME examples of what they are advocating against. :whistling

[glados]

so did the person posting child pron get banned?Of course not. He's the *FOUNDER* of the site...
Seriously, it would be pretty damn stupid for members to stay on passthepopcorn if the site founder is into childporn...

Also keep in mind that the child porn links he posted were made in a convo with 2 current sysops on ptp... I'm starting to think those guys are in collaboration with these activities. God knows how many times ptp staff/sysops/founders/etc have shared such links with each other in previous convos.

The smart thing for anyone to do is stay clear from PassThePopcorn. The site is clearly being run by people into child porn. Staying on that site would be pretty stupid. Leave PtP ASAP.

spektormax's profile: (notice his class as "founder")
http://i41.tinypic.com/5br5sg.png

[Tv Controls you]

The truth hurts, and I applaud DWCreaper for bringing this to my/our attention.
Although I agree with megabyteme... That he should have reported the illegal thread to 510 chan, and should not have redistributed the links on this site. (He should have at least blanked out links.. even though they 404ed)

Chinchi11as I made a comment on this earlier. The founder will never get banned, and all of the staff will stay because they love their positions of power.
They will not comment on their thoughts about child pornography because they are so POWER whipped.
All I have to say to current PTP staff..... Your lower than shit for supporting a site that tolerates child pornography.

PTP gives a bad name to pirating, and I am ashamed of their refusal to take any action against the founder.

[Kate28]

This is not related to PTP as a sight by any means, it was a despicable action by a rogue member.
Continuing this in the immature, playground manner that Azazel is doing is beyond some righteous vigilantism that he is so fond of. It's pathetic. And you need to stop.

Spektormax has been both disabled and demoted and he will not partake in any aspect of PTP now or ever. We are NOT condoning his activity, not participating, not involved with it.

Azazel is blind with his vendetta against the site and is manipulating the story anyway he can. He wasn't in the voice chat, he did not hear them reprimanding spek. To take it to this level and insinuate it has happened before is downright obnoxious and nothing more than a smear campaign from someone who has too much time on their hands and puts too much stock into himself.

This is NOT related to PTP by any means. The user has been dealt with and all association has been broken.

[BasementWayne]

FYI, spektormax's account was banned a few hours ago.

[deependx]

Also keep in mind that the child porn links he posted were made in a convo with 2 current sysops on ptp... I'm starting to think those guys are in collaboration with these activities. God knows how many times ptp staff/sysops/founders/etc have shared such links with each other in previous convos.

None of the staff at PassThePopcorn are affiliated with any activities involving underage pornographic photos. Spektormax is NOT active and had not been for a long time. As you see his class is founder and is not found on the Staff page. The staff at PTP got caught off guard by spektormax posting illegal photos off of 510. He was told to stop. Azazel could NOT hear the audio conversation between us and he took this out of context because we were obviously talking and not typing. He was in the chat, saw the photos and once again is trying to link shady activity with another tracker. Did any of you hear about his plans to f**k over BroadcastTheNet after they demoted and banned him??? Azazel is trying to put a bad rep on PTP because he does not get along with the community and was kicked off of staff.

I want to stress PassThePopcorn's staff & Sysops do not condone or have any interest in child porn. We are very disgusted by spektormax's activity's and have nothing to do with him anymore. PassThePopcorn has never been involved with child porn and we do not share these links, in fact we stay away from this material.

This is solely an act of Spektomax and not PassThePopcorn or its Sysops, or anyone else involved in thet skype call. Azazel is as guilty as we are for clicking those links.

PTP is a clean community, we do not even allow any adult material on the site via avatar, profile images, forums and anywhere else its possible to post adult material.

So get pissed off at Spektormax and no one else. He is obviously sick in the head and everyone told him to stop and go away.

[312c]

Short intro: I'm lower level staff on PTP, and although I and azazel have had our differences in the past, I cannot believe he would stoop so low as this.



so did the person posting child pron get banned?Of course not. He's the *FOUNDER* of the site...
Seriously, it would be pretty damn stupid for members to stay on passthepopcorn if the site founder is into childporn...

1) He has actually been banned http://i.imgur.com/KYIAf.png
2) What does it matter to the members what one of the founders who has not been active on the site in months likes to do in his spare time? Answer: It doesn't affect them at all



Also keep in mind that the child porn links he posted were made in a convo with 2 current sysops on ptp... I'm starting to think those guys are in collaboration with these activities. God knows how many times ptp staff/sysops/founders/etc have shared such links with each other in previous convos.

These accusations are completely unfounded and I am offended that you would even say such a thing without a shred of proof.



The smart thing for anyone to do is stay clear from PassThePopcorn. The site is clearly being run by people into child porn. Staying on that site would be pretty stupid. Leave PtP ASAP.

As I have already said, how does a single person's actions that the entire staff of PTP looks down upon have any sort of influence on PTP?



All I have to say to current PTP staff..... Your lower than shit for supporting a site that tolerates child pornography.

PTP gives a bad name to pirating, and I am ashamed of their refusal to take any action against the founder.

1) We do not support 510chan or spektormax's actions at all and there is absolutely no basis for such an accusation.
2) I'm hardly one of the ones that is "lower than shit," since I'm not one of the 1-post-count-probable-sock-puppets jumping on azazel's bandwagon
3) We have taken actions

Azazel if you are reading this, know that you have made many people that once thought of you as a friend utterly despise you now. SpektorMax posted a few links in a private Skype conversation (note: no link to the site other than the fact that the people in the conversation met on PTP). As I know you do not live in the USA you may not be aware of how exactly CP laws here operate. Nothing SpektorMax did in that Skype conversation was illegal, and there is no basis to report him to the FBI despite the fact that the entire reason you are running this smear campaign is because z and exodussquard took no action, when there is no action that they could have taken except to report the images to teh staff of 510chan. The mere act of viewing a link on the internet that happens to be CP is not illegal, saving it to your hard drive is (your browser's caching feature is excluded from counting as saving the image, since that is not the user himself/herself saving the image). While I agree that what SpektorMax did is disgusting, there is no legal actions that you, z, or exodusSquared could have could have had launched against SpektorMax. The only person that could possibly have been legally sought after would be the person who originally uploaded the images to 510chan. Additionally, you would have had to have clicked the links to know that they were CP, which in turn makes you just as guilty as SpektorMax. If any federal agency were to look into this issue, you (Azazel) would in fact be the one that has attempted to distribute the links to far more than the 3 people in the Skype conversation by posting here.

Just because you have an issue with 1 member of our site gives you no right to take it out on the 18 staff members and 15,081 members of our site. Karma is a bitch and I seriously hope you get what's coming for you.

[glados]

I don't care about Azazel and who he is and what he was and why he's doing it or whatever. don't even care if the guy in question was banned/demoted.

I'm just responding with respect to the presented facts. Who presented them and why he did so is irrelevant.

The way I see it, the *founder* of PassThePopcorn is into child porn... Whether PTP staff are related to these activities or not, it doesn't matter... If the founder of the site was found to practice such disgusting activities, then the best choice of action for the members of the site is to leave and stay clear.

Spektormax may be arrested for such activities, and his site, PassThePopcorn, will be put at risk. If he was arrested, the investigation might even consider PassThePopcorn to be a front for child porn distribution (since the links were shared with sysops/staff of the site).

The outcome of this whole incident is: PassThePopcorn (PtP) is currently insecure due to child porn activities of their founder. Try to defend the site all you want; it will get you nowhere.

[mrnobody]

1) He has actually been banned
http://i.imgur.com/KYIAf.png

good to know. and he should be banned from other sites too imo.


2) What does it matter to the members what one of the founders who has not been active on the site in months likes to do in his spare time? Answer: It doesn't affect them at all

We'll i'm not in your site and it still left a bad taste in my mouth. It's one thing if one of the member is involved into stuff like this but it's totally different when it is a staff, even worse a founder.

I realize there is no way you would have known he was mentally sick or whatever. All i'm saying is it left a bad taste...and i suppose it does matter what a founder (and ex-founders) of a site "likes to do in his spare time", in particularly when it comes to serious+sick+massive.legal.risk issue like this one.

[Kate28]

I don't care about Azazel and who he is and what he was and why he's doing it or whatever. don't even care if the guy in question was banned/demoted.

I'm just responding with respect to the presented facts. Who presented them and why he did so is irrelevant.

The way I see it, the *founder* of PassThePopcorn is into child porn... Whether PTP staff are related to these activities or not, it doesn't matter... If the founder of the site was found to practice such disgusting activities, then the best choice of action for the members of the site is to leave and stay clear.

Spektormax may be arrested for such activities, and his site, PassThePopcorn, will be put at risk. If he was arrested, the investigation might even consider PassThePopcorn to be a front for child porn distribution (since the links were shared with sysops/staff of the site).

The outcome of this whole incident is: PassThePopcorn (PtP) is currently insecure due to child porn activities of their founder. Try to defend the site all you want; it will get you nowhere.

This is just blowing it out of proportion. His role in the site is minimal and has been for months. It has NOTHING to do with PTP, we are not condoning it nor are we defending it.
The situation has been taken care of and his access to the site is removed completely. It has been dealt with.
To blame the site and it's staff is currently taking it a step too far and using it as a scapegoat. The site is not involved.
He has poor judgement skills that do not reflect onto the site. His actions are his own and we are not affiliated with them.
This needs to stop.

[mrnobody]

and i can see the staff notes.

was hoping for automerge :-\

[megabyteme]

The outcome of this whole incident is: PassThePopcorn (PtP) is currently insecure due to child porn activities of their founder. Try to defend the site all you want; it will get you nowhere.

You can make these grand standing statements, but in reality, there is little more reason to abandon use of PtP due to pedoMax's posting the links than there would be to abandon FST because Assel posted the same links on this site.

The thread starter deserves no applause, nor do any of the reflexive fear-mongers do in this thread. In addition, since they committed the same act, I would argue that the thread started be treated in exactly the same manner as pedoMax. They BOTH spread child porn- at least pedoMax kept it to a private channel and did not do so on a public forum.

Doing the wrong thing (under the guise of) righteousness is still reprehensible!

[312c]

I'm just responding with respect to the presented facts. Who presented them and why he did so is irrelevant.
You clearly ignored the facts in my previous post that there was and is no legal pathway to take against SpektorMax based upon his actions that this entire thread is about. Even though I agree that pedo's should be punished, there is nothing that any members of the Skype chat could have done.



The way I see it, the *founder* of PassThePopcorn is into child porn... Whether PTP staff are related to these activities or not, it doesn't matter... If the founder of the site was found to practice such disgusting activities, then the best choice of action for the members of the site is to leave and stay clear.

Key word there being founder, he hasn't been an active member of the site in months nor has he had any other ties to it in an even longer period of time. It does matter that the rest of the staff are not at all related to the activities, because that is exactly what azazel's smear campaign is trying to claim.


Spektormax may be arrested for such activities, and his site, PassThePopcorn, will be put at risk. If he was arrested, the investigation might even consider PassThePopcorn to be a front for child porn distribution (since the links were shared with sysops/staff of the site).
It is not his site and there is no reason it would be put at risk. All the forum, torrent comment, and pm logs of the site would clearly show that this is not true. The links were shared via a private, non-site related, Skype conversation, nothing related to the site.



The outcome of this whole incident is: PassThePopcorn (PtP) is currently insecure due to child porn activities of their founder. Try to defend the site all you want; it will get you nowhere.
The outcome of incident is that SpektorMax and Azazel were banned from the site. SpektorMax was banned as we all wish to have no association with him from now on, and Azazel was banned for purposely trying to undermine the entire site just because he is on a white-knighting rampage; A rampage that is primarily fueled by his anger that he was recently demoted from staff and past disagreements with staff members. Instead of talking reasonably to the people involved he has gone out of his way to trash talk the site every place possible, had a friend post spam messages in pre-channels that make outrageous claims ( "Sick.Fuckers.At.PassThePopcorn.Are.Into.Child.Porn", "Staff.At.PassThePopcorn.org.Are.Watching.Child.Porn", "Pham.Sends.Pictures.Of.His.NewBorn.To.SpektorMax.For.Money" ) claims that obviously are attempting to include all of the staff, and has blocked people from contacting him on skype/facebook to civilly discuss the matter.

[deependx]

Azazel needs to stop being an attention whore and trying to make members of PassThePopcorn scared from using the site only because a "founder" who is now disabled and banned from the site posted links from a *chan site into a skype chat.

To Azazel: Would you stop trying to put PassThePopcorn & me and z down?? Spektormax is dealt with and we aren't done yet. You don't know what actions we are taking BECAUSE YOU WONT TALK TO US!! You said a few lines to me a ceased to talk to me on IRC, deleted your facebook and quit Skype. Stop trying to bash us the staff at PTP. This is an isolated incident of Spektormax and we got effed over for being in that chat. Not to mention I lost a great friend (you) because an asshole posted links in a skype chat I happened to be in. We didn't ask for anything all of a sudden he posted the links and as everyone has made it clear by now we told him to stop.

If anyone is to blame is Azazel for being such a pu**y and crying to every forum possible that PTP condones child porn when we do NOT, instead of talking to the people in the chat. Literally he told me "do not PM me anymore".

To all of you who want PTP taken down or accounts deleted stop being attention whores. PassThePopcorn has NOTHING to do with this. Spektormax is sick in the head. Go report him, we don't care he has nothing to do with us anymore.

-eXodusSquared

[glados]

you guys keep bringing up Azazel; fact of the matter is, no one cares about Azazel and why he's doing it. people are concerned about what he brought to the table, not why he's done so, which again is irrelevant.


As I know you do not live in the USA you may not be aware of how exactly CP laws here operate. Nothing SpektorMax did in that Skype conversation was illegal, and there is no basis to report him to the FBI despite the fact that the entire reason you are running this smear campaign is because z and exodussquard took no action, when there is no action that they could have taken except to report the images to teh staff of 510chan.This is where you're wrong.

Spektormax has willingly shared links to images of child porn; this act by itself is strictly illegal in the US, and is actually a criminal offense (rather than downloading copyrighted material, which would be a civil offense); so the cops/FBI may very well be involved in this cyber crime. Distributing links to child porn via instant messaging services such as Skype is indeed a cyber crime in the USA.

If Azazel or anyone would like to take a step further against Spektormax's actions, you may contact Skype with the presented evidence, also report the cyber crime to the appropriate authorities http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/reporting.htm

Since Spektormax was stupid enough to post those links in a Skype convo, everything is logged over at Skype and the investigation will most definitely lead to his arrest. All of his internet activity will of course be investigated, which will involve PassThePopcorn, which he is/was the founder of.

This is why I'm saying that PassThePopcorn is obviously EXTREMELY insecure at the moment. If an official investigation is held, PTP will be investigated, members/emails/IPs will be taken by the authorities for evidence as the site might be linked to those child porn activities (considering that the links were posted in a conversation with PTP sysops/staff).

[DWCreeper167]

To clarify things even more which is pathetic that I even have to do this.

The chat logs between myself and z and with exodussquared showed that I tried to get something done on PTP. Neither would do anything and neither cared. It was fully in z's and exodussquared's power to ban him from the site then and there but that didn't happen, they continued talking to him.

I wasn't demoted/kicked off or even banned from PTP by any of the staff. I was fed up with the power abuse that was going on there and I demoted and banned my Azazel account. I still used my KingArthur account for downloading. As can be clearly seen from the chat logs, I told both z and exodussquared that I wanted all of my accounts deleted from PTP. So who is running the smear campaign now?

The skype convo was PTP related. The whole reason we were in there was to work on RC2 since z asked for my help and max was there for coding.

I find it so disgusting that one of the owners of PTP posted child porn, the sysops did NOTHING even after being PM'd by me about this and now instead of just getting rid of him and being done with you, you try to lie about me and tarnish my name. Guess what? I don't care about my rep or anything else but I won't have you(PTP) try to act like I went about this the wrong way as some sort of vendetta.

Up untill this point, I had nothing against PTP or any of the staff obviously which is why I was in PTP irc and helping to work on the new dev site, ptp.v2.

Supposidly spektormax is banned now but that doesn't count for his dupe accounts and his server access. IMO, showing he's banned is just an act to try and alleviate some of the tension with word getting around. Why when this happened last night did it take untill now to ban him??

Staff here have removed the skype chat pic I showed because it contained the links to the pics and z and exodussquareds' possible real names but I see no reason why the chat logs between myself and these 2 shouldn't be allowed.


http://i41.tinypic.com/2vd3erb.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/3583zvt.jpg

[Kate28]

You need to back down. You know fully well that you are doing this to ruin the site which had nothing to do with this.
Azazel, I'm sorry you were offended, we all are. His actions are his alone and we do not condone them.
He has NO access to the site. Period. We have cut all ties and are not defending his actions.
You wait on sites for an exploit and then you pounce. You have a power trip issue and it is evident in this thread. You yourself could have 'taken it to proper authorities' but instead you made the choice to blast this over the internet, to involve more people, and to draw more attention to the cp.
You need to realize the gravity of the situation and let it go. It has been dealt with.
Multiple staff members have come in here to describe and explain the situation yet still Azazel is oblivious to reason.
It needs to end. The issues you have are with spektormax and that is who you need to deal with. Stop involving innocent parties in your feuding.

[DWCreeper167]

Have any of you(ptp) passed on his personal details to the proper authorities? Kate, I know you are good friends with spektormax, you talk to him on the phone almost daily.

Amoung you guys you have the power to really do something about this. Contacting skype with nothing more than a screen name will do little. Handing over logs + his personal phone number and address could do alot.

I'm hoping that even if z won't do anything that you will Kate, regardless of your friendship with spektormax.

[Kate28]

Have any of you(ptp) passed on his personal details to the proper authorities? Kate, I know you are good friends with spektormax, you talk to him on the phone almost daily.

Amoung you guys you have the power to really do something about this. Contacting skype with nothing more than a screen name will do little. Handing over logs + his personal phone number and address could do alot.

I'm hoping that even if z won't do anything that you will Kate, regardless of your friendship with spektormax.

It's beyond petty you are using that tactic. I have not associated with him in over a year and over this all ties have been cut.
The situation has been dealt with. Please take your qualms to spektormax as it is solely his issue. Staff is no longer involved.

[DWCreeper167]

It's not a tactic. I want to know if you guys have forwarded on his details. Banning someone means nothing. This may be a torrent forum and relates back to things happening with torrent connections but this is more of a serious matter than that.

Forward on his details, that is all I ask and that is what should have been done as soon as all this went down.

[Tv Controls you]

Just because you have an issue with 1 member of our site gives you no right to take it out on the 18 staff members and 15,081 members of our site. Karma is a bitch and I seriously hope you get what's coming for you.

It's funny how he is only banned after this whole topic was brought up... Would you have even banned him if this thread didn't show up, or if the op didn't expose it?

In addition prior to his ban I had a problem with every member of the site that continued to support it, as it was supporting Child pornography.
I'm glad you have banned him, it was truly the right thing to do.

On a side note.... I don't give a :censored: who you are or who you know.
I'm not scared of you or your ineffectual threats about karma.

[Kate28]

It's not a tactic. I want to know if you guys have forwarded on his details. Banning someone means nothing. This may be a torrent forum and relates back to things happening with torrent connections but this is more of a serious matter than that.

Forward on his details, that is all I ask and that is what should have been done as soon as all this went down.

Then why did you drag the entire site down with it. Instead of launching this attack you could have calmly discussed it with the sysops and other staff around at that time. This entire situation could have gone about much differently.
We are actively taking steps to notify people about the event that occured, but you need to seriously step down this campaign. It is only creating confusion, fear, and more unneeded attention to his despicable actions.

[DWCreeper167]

Notice from the pics I posted I DID speak to both sysops. Pham isn't around otherwise I would have spoken to him. What use is there in speaking to a Director or other lower staff who has no control over the site?

Should I have got a staff meeting together to discuss this? No, fact remains 2 ptp sysops + max + another ptp staff were there and saw it and they may or may not have said via call to stop posting the links, that's irrelevant.

Immediate action should have been taken. The very least I should have expected is for them to cut communication off between themselves and spektormax but that didn't happen. AFAIK, the convo continued for a very long time after I left and the thought of banning him didn't even come to mind.

It was only after this forum thread and others like it that today, finally, he was banned but if proper action were taken, I'm shocked I haven't heard about it.

Because we are speaking of someone high up in the bit torrent scene, I'm amazed I haven't seen his details broadcasted to the heavens. Sorry if I don't take your word for it when you said "it's been taken care of".

[Tv Controls you]

It also concerns me, that their was no immediate action taken...

It leads one to believe this type of content may have been posted even prior to the screenshot, that no one cared to act on.
There is no proof of this, but it does put off the feeling that it was accepted in the chat.

The important thing is he is banned now though...

[puckface]

Really I don't give a shit about the tracker, because it kinda just sucks balls.

But, all of you staffers over there keep saying that this has nothing to do with PTP. Well, guess what? When the founder of the site does shit like this with current staff present and it comes out it has everything to do with PTP. Also, this not about one member, anyones refusal to do ANYTHING about this is just as bad as posting it yourself. Your inaction is just as bad as the action itself. You're all pretty much scum.

At least the OP was doing something about it and informed a small community about the antics that you seem to enjoy in your Skype conversations over there. Props to him.

Have fun trying to deny that this has nothing to do with you. Keep telling yourself that.

P.S. Banning someone isn't acting on shit.

[glados]

It also concerns me, that their was no immediate action taken...

It leads one to believe this type of content may have been posted even prior to the screenshot, that no one cared to act on.
There is no proof of this, but it does put off the feeling that it was accepted in the chat.Agreed. looks to me they didn't care at all to do anything about Spektormax's actions until the issue was being brought to the public's attention via this thread and others.

Child porn links were posted in a convo involving at least 4 PTP staff... how is that not PTP-related? also keep in mind that actions against that individual (which only involved disabling his account) were only taken after this issue was made public.

Anyway, a site whose founder/ex-founder is into child porn (and shares child porn to other current staff of that site) is not a site I, and I'm sure many others, would want to be a part of.

More info is detailed here http://onasoapbox.co.uk/2010/03/31/pass-the-popcorn-pass-the-buck/

[chriswall39]

Child porn is disgusting, but what you don't understand is there is nothing the people involved can do (other than the sickening spectormax). They can't report him to the government as you suggest, he only linked to it which you also have done, but regardless that doesn't break any laws. What IS illegal is being in possession of or taking and uploading pictures of child porn.

To drag the entire site into it isn't realistic, if this was your long time friend you wouldnt immediately abandon him if you were good friends, you would try and find out what was going on with him and seek help for him. Its very unreasonable to expect someone to take action further than banning him from HIS OWN SITE. Just my two cents.

-Chris

[Tv Controls you]

To drag the entire site into it isn't realistic, if this was your long time friend you wouldnt immediately abandon him if you were good friends, you would try and find out what was going on with him and seek help for him. Its very unreasonable to expect someone to take action further than banning him from HIS OWN SITE. Just my two cents.

I would love to see a screenshot of any discussion about finding the founder help.

If anything the only thing I can imagine being discussed is how long he will stay underground for, before he is re added anonymously. lol

[chriswall39]

I would love to see a screenshot of any discussion about finding the founder help.

I wasn't saying he is receiving help as I have no idea, I was suggesting that if I was in that position that's what I would do. I wouldn't simply disown my best friend, even for a far worse crime. I would find out what was really going on, if he was depressed or something. If I found out he was just fucked up then it might be time to move on.

[Cabalo]

I knew backie was going to write about this. He spent over an hour logged in this page.
This is the kind of material that fits to his blog.

[Tv Controls you]

I wasn't saying he is receiving help as I have no idea, I was suggesting that if I was in that position that's what I would do. I wouldn't simply disown my best friend, even for a far worse crime. I would find out what was really going on, if he was depressed or something. If I found out he was just fucked up then it might be time to move on.

They had his skype name, they could have easily helped him outside of the website.
It looks bad for the website to have a member who endorses such material, especially a founder.

[Cabalo]

Well, TPS did what they were told to. Good boys.

[chriswall39]

They had his skype name, they could have easily helped him outside of the website.
It looks bad for the website to have a member who endorses such material, especially a founder.

I can understand how it may look that way, but if you look deeper and don't blindly say "oh he did it everything hes ever been associated with is bad!". It really has nothing to do with the site, just a troubled individual who created it and doesnt use it anymore. Maybe he isnt into it maybe he was just going for a shock effect like twogirlsonecup or something, like showing your friends something gross to get the "ah thats disgusting" response. Child pornography is obviously far more disgusting than something like twogirlsonecup (scat porn), but maybe it was simply a mistake in judgement. But we don't know him and I don't think the creator of this thread does either, so we cannot be sure.

[IdolEyes787]

I knew backie was going to write about this. He spent over an hour logged in this page.
This is the kind of material that fits to his blog.

In bad taste, devoid of any proven facts and totally immature?

[Cabalo]

I knew backie was going to write about this. He spent over an hour logged in this page.
This is the kind of material that fits to his blog.

In bad taste, devoid of any proven facts and totally immature?
You always had a better way with adjectives than I do. :)

[IdolEyes787]

I'm always better in the re-writes but then it's like a day too late.:(

[Villalltheway]

2) What does it matter to the members what one of the founders who has not been active on the site in months likes to do in his spare time? Answer: It doesn't affect them at all





wow what a shit comment, just because it dont affect me i shouldnt care.:noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes::noes:
Maybe u should tell that to the kids.






Really I don't give a shit about the tracker, because it kinda just sucks balls.

But, all of you staffers over there keep saying that this has nothing to do with PTP. Well, guess what? When the founder of the site does shit like this with current staff present and it comes out it has everything to do with PTP. Also, this not about one member, anyones refusal to do ANYTHING about this is just as bad as posting it yourself. Your inaction is just as bad as the action itself. You're all pretty much scum.

At least the OP was doing something about it and informed a small community about the antics that you seem to enjoy in your Skype conversations over there. Props to him.

Have fun trying to deny that this has nothing to do with you. Keep telling yourself that.

P.S. Banning someone isn't acting on shit.

exactly, its a chat with all ptp staff members in it and you say its nothing to do with ptp, it makes no sence.

[Six66Mike]

I'm sure this is only going to serve to get me banned permanently since I'm already on shaky ground but what the hell, why not join the party and voice my opinion as well right? If you can't speak then what's the point of living, censorship sucks.

- It's obvious, and understandable why staff are in damage control. Anyone would be with this thread. Nobody can justify it but nobody is. By definition however you are condoning it by not reporting him to the police and any claims that you can't are false.

- The fact max's account was disabled doesn't really account for much, considering how easy it is to make a new one and that staff mentioned renaming his account, clearly visible in the staff forum - (Screenshot to come)

- There has to be atleast 1 staff member who knows Max in person and can call the police to investigate. It's not your place or anyone here to decide if it was legal or not, it's a job for the police and 100% without a doubt the report should be made. PTP isn't directly involved but staff know Max and have the responsibility as people to report this activity. It's deadset as simple as that. You guys have his number I'm sure, and can contact DAQ or pham if needed to get more information about him for the police. It's incredibly easy for you to report him and there's no excuse you can make to justify not doing it.

- Azazel should not have included links in the original post to the child porn content. This makes you worse than Max to be honest, he posted links to 3 people in a private conversation, you've spread the porn to potentially hundreds of thousands of people across many sites. I feel you should also be reported to the police without a doubt.

It's not the place to raise previous issues about PTP so I won't, though I'm quite tempted. I guess I'm just glad this one isn't swept under the rug but now it's out & those who know where to find him should report him to the cops.

[megabyteme]

We live in an imperfect world with imperfect justice. As easy as it seems to want pedoMax (and everyone who has ever intentionally clicked on a child porn link) locked up, the police do not have the manpower or budgets to investigate allegations of this level. They have enough to do finding serious traffickers, producers, and child abductors.

Sadly, the police will say essentially what the mod on PtP did. That is the imperfect part...

There IS technology that could monitor our every action online AND in the real world. We could have traffic cams at every intersection. Radar equipped cameras could record our roadways for speeders and drunk drivers. We could virtually eliminate street crime by posting video cameras in all public places. Our ISPs could turn over records to be scanned for our every page view and our emails could be previewed for suspicious activity. Since drug use leads to the deaths of innocents each year, we could ALL be required to send in MANDATORY blood and urine samples each month/week. All of our phone conversations could be screened as well.

I am sure a few more currently available technical solutions could get us closer to the "perfect justice" some of you are seeking.

Is pedoMax a scumbag? Most likely. At the very least, he needs to gain some insight into acceptability and responsibility. Azazel needs to quit being a vengeful little prick. And the grand-standers around here need to realize the costs of living with perfect justice.

[Dz]

I don't like to enter or talk about others neither judge any one before I do know him/her completely, but when it's about paedophilia and child abuse I think that there is no rule I can't break.

The main idea and thing about what Azazel did is that he didn't knew what to do, so he made it public which I think is good idea and bad in same time as he mentioned PTP and in PTP (in my own opinion) 99,99 % users wont agree with same behaviours of paedophilia(except this spektorma and maybe others), so including PTP in the discussion should be just to mention where he is staff and I'm sure Azazel wanted that.

Now, about spektorma behaviours, I think that he should be denounced to justice as he is a real danger for the hole society or community he live with, especially if what Azazel said is right. For people who know him and don't get him out of his behaviours, you are his accomplices in what he can do or you are just like him.

[Six66Mike]

We live in an imperfect world with imperfect justice. As easy as it seems to want pedoMax (and everyone who has ever intentionally clicked on a child porn link) locked up, the police do not have the manpower or budgets to investigate allegations of this level. They have enough to do finding serious traffickers, producers, and child abductors.

That's not up for you or us to decide. It should without question be reported and let them decide. Maybe Max has a PC full of kiddie porn, what do know? This is a matter for the police, it's illegal and should be reported as such immediately.

[megabyteme]

They [police] have enough to do finding serious traffickers, producers, and child abductors.

That's not up for you or us to decide. It should without question be reported and let them decide. Maybe Max has a PC full of kiddie porn, what do know? This is a matter for the police, it's illegal and should be reported as such immediately.

Like it, or not, there isn't enough evidence to get a search warrant.

As I mentioned in my above post- there are A LOT OF CRIMES THAT OCCUR EVERY DAY.

Feel free to call the police yourself. Call the FBI, Interpol, The National Guard... Your call will go something like, "This guy posted 2 links to child porn online." Even if you had the guy's real name. Wait for it............No one is going to investigate.

[Six66Mike]

And I'll just keep saying again, let the cops decide.

[Aristocles]

That's not up for you or us to decide. It should without question be reported and let them decide. Maybe Max has a PC full of kiddie porn, what do know? This is a matter for the police, it's illegal and should be reported as such immediately.

Like it, or not, there isn't enough evidence to get a search warrant.

As I mentioned in my above post- there are A LOT OF CRIMES THAT OCCUR EVERY DAY.

Feel free to call the police yourself. Call the FBI, Interpol, The National Guard... Your call will go something like, "This guy posted 2 links to child porn online." Even if you had the guy's real name. Wait for it............No one is going to investigate.

from Six66Mike:

". . .let the cops decide", Eloquent simplicity. If interested in a drawn out version, read below.


1) You are wrong if you believe that authorities do not take ANY allegation of this sort VERY seriously. There are literally thousands of examples in divorce cases, etc. Where scant evidence and allegations have had as their end, serious investigations. Often times the person is not guilty, ask Pete Townsend

2) Imperfect justice? Of course, there is imperfect justice. A blind platitude, Perry. The fact is that because a society cannot prevent every drunk from driving a vehicle without significant infringements on the innocents liberty does not tell LE to stop all attempts at preventing them. Take simple but honest infringements on liberty, to wit, a random roadblock. Is this fair to innocent folk? Is it an infringements of personal privacy? Some argue it is. . . Random drug testing for jobs? Cameras taking pictures and then you are mailed a speeding ticket? Drug laws are legion and many catch up the innocent with the guilty. Are they infringements?

You type: "There IS technology that could monitor our every action online AND in the real world. We could have traffic cams at every intersection. Radar equipped cameras could record our roadways for speeders and drunk drivers. We could virtually eliminate street crime by posting video cameras in all public places. Our ISPs could turn over records to be scanned for our every page view and our emails could be previewed for suspicious activity. Since drug use leads to the deaths of innocents each year, we could ALL be required to send in MANDATORY blood and urine samples each month/week. All of our phone conversations could be screened as well"

I reply:
cf. above. I am, of course, ignoring MANY examples. Let's think through your example: Without the folks being unduly infringed upon there is no perfect justice, another (or the same) platitude. (There is no need here for me to drag up all of the rights and liberties US citizen have given up in the "drug war") The real issue in this case is about a guy posting his vile links to his 'buddies'. Nothing more and nothing less. NO REQUIREMENTS OF LOST LIBERTY ON INNOCENT CITIZENS.

2) If you think that if one of the parties copied the information as posted here and took it to the authorities and they would ignore it, cf. #1, so be it. BUT WHAT HAS THIS TO DO YOU WITH YOU? YOU HAVE A DUTY TO THE INNOCENTS OFFENDED AND IF YOU DO THAT DUTY AND IT FALLS STILLBORN THEN, SADLY, SO BE IT, ALSO.

3) As for the original poster, I suspect his motives are anything but sincere. But mine are quite sincere and not grandstanding. I simply find this behavior utterly vile. There are certain things that rank highest on my hierarchy of the degeneracy of crimes: The abuse of innocents tops the list.

Ultimately, what I saw convinced me that it was a site that I no longer wanted to be a member of. I see a small group of staff and a degenerate scumbag who was at some point a founder of the site involved in the reported conversation. Is this somehow completely oblique to the main site? Not for me. My life, my call.

This is my last post in this thread. I am allowing myself to get too upset. (I remember years ago I had a 'powerlifting' forum- the older threaded type forum- and we got overwrought in these internet debates. I lost sleep; I was angry, lol. But we knew real names and eventually met in person at meets and worked things out. Nevertheless, it's not worth it for me, now.)

Addenda as a final reply to below:

Thanks. (I have two sets of twins- 10 & 12.)

I guess we just disagree as to what LE considers large crimes. Alleged Federal infractions such as this, or other crimes they spend time on, say public intoxication. I suggest asking an officer if you happen to know any.

Screen shot -> links -> witness. If it doesn't provide enough for a search warrant it will put the light of day on him. The whole point is and has been that it was their duty to report it.

Inappropriate pics? That is a problematic and silly way to refer to what was evidently linked.

[cinephilia]

You yourself could have 'taken it to proper authorities' but instead you made the choice to blast this over the internet, to involve more people, and to draw more attention to the cp.

agreed.

Notice from the pics I posted I DID speak to both sysops
i saw a hysterical teen without wisdom trying to act like a hero.

[megabyteme]

This is my last post in this thread. I am allowing myself to get too upset. (I remember years ago I had a 'powerlifting' forum- the older threaded type forum- and we got overwrought in these internet debates. I lost sleep; I was angry, lol. But we knew real names and eventually met in person at meets and worked things out. Nevertheless, it's not worth it for me, now.)

You are obviously well educated, concerned, and passionate. I truly appreciate your efforts here! I can imagine we would be allies in many threads. I also know where your heart is. I have twins (one of each) who are now 4 weeks old. I am very protective of them and have no desire to see "individuals" (:dry:) such as pedoMax wander freely.

I am participating in this thread because I believe it needs some balance to the knee-jerk, "let's string 'em up" mentality every time CP is mentioned.

Most of the people posting in this thread are making statements that equal, "I am for the environment", "I want clean air/water", "I am an anti-trader", "Guns are evil", etc. Some stances are EXTREMELY EASY. I simply want to throw some rationale in the mix.

If pedoMax had a wife, or gf, who had seen something on his computer and was willing to testify, there would be enough to get a warrant. The police could access his computer because she would grant them access. Yes, that does happen- and it should.

The difference in this case is that we have witnesses who saw a couple of links posted. That's it. Even with his name, social security number, and a photo of him, the police will not have any access to his house. There is not enough probable cause for a judge to grant a search warrant and the police are busy taking calls for much bigger crimes. To flood them every time someone posts a couple of inappropriate pics is silly and counter-productive.

I know this is serious. I was the first in this thread to call for pedoMax's ban. Unfortunately, unless we see fit to have all internet posts monitored and traced, this "case" will fall stillborn.

[glados]

PTP staff/sysops involved in that Skype convo (we were told they know Spektormax personally) are REQUIRED BY LAW to report him to the authorities (assuming they live in USA).

The fact that they did absolutely nothing about it makes them as bad as Spektormax. At least the OP has brought attention to the matter, which is the right thing to do, so I applause Azazel for what he did (you guys keep saying he did it because of revenge or whatever... guess what? nobody cares; the fact that you guys keep bringing this up to defend PTP and yourselves only makes you look foolish).

looking at the screenshot. z/jerrcs/Jeremy and Jon proceeded on posting further links like nothing just happened. Yes, not doing anything makes you as bad as the offender. This is fucking ridiculous.

You guys only "disabled" Spektormax's account after people raged at you for doing nothing about him... before you kept saying he's the founder (an "inactive staff") and there's nothing you could do about it. People are not stupid, the disabling of his account is just for show. I'm pretty certain he has other account(s), still has access to the site, and is still involved with PTP.

I do hope REAL actions are taken by PTP staff regarding this issue. Otherwise PassThePopcorn will always be seen as a front for underground child porn activities.

simply put, child porn links were being shared in a convo with 3 or 4 PTP staff... Enough reason for me and everyone else to leave PassThePopcorn ASAP!

[312c]

PTP staff/sysops involved in that Skype convo (we were told they know Spektormax personally) are REQUIRED BY LAW to report him to the authorities (assuming they live in USA).

The fact that they did absolutely nothing about it makes them as bad as Spektormax. At least the OP has brought attention to the matter, which is the right thing to do, so I applause Azazel for what he did (you guys keep saying he did it because of revenge or whatever... guess what? nobody cares; the fact that you guys keep bringing this up to defend PTP and yourselves only makes you look foolish).

looking at the screenshot. z/jerrcs/Jeremy and Jon proceeded on posting further links like nothing just happened. Yes, not doing anything makes you as bad as the offender. This is fucking ridiculous.

You guys only "disabled" Spektormax's account after people raged at you for doing nothing about him... before you kept saying he's the founder (an "inactive staff") and there's nothing you could do about it. People are not stupid, the disabling of his account is just for show. I'm pretty certain he has other account(s), still has access to the site, and is still involved with PTP.

I do hope REAL actions are taken by PTP staff regarding this issue. Otherwise PassThePopcorn will always be seen as a front for underground child porn activities.

simply put, child porn links were being shared in a convo with 3 or 4 PTP staff... Enough reason for me and everyone else to leave PassThePopcorn ASAP!


http://www.antichildporn.org/faq-on-cp.htm

Get your facts rigth, nobody was required to do anything by law and within the scope of the skype conversation nothing illegal was done. The only person who broke any laws was the person who uploaded the images to 510chan. As has already been stated, even if anyone had reported SpektorMax there was not enough probable cause from any LEO to do anything.

[DWCreeper167]

312c, release his personal details. Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.

[Quarterquack]

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.

Then you're asking for him to get raped, instead of prosecuted.

[nnnnnn]

312c, release his personal details. Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.

dude really? I mean really? He didn't upload the pictures nor does he own the 510chan place where it was hosted. He has done nothing wrong.

wait wait, what if he claims, just posted to show you guys how disgusting that site is? what will you say? You've taken this to a point where he is banned from PTP.

My advice? move on.

^ My last post in this thread.

[megabyteme]

312c, release his personal details. Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.

Classy. Vengeful. Stupid.

You have just made yourself liable if anyone attacks him.

THAT IS ACTIONABLE. Both civilly and criminally. :w00t:

You have successfully drawn attention to yourself, pedoMax, and PtP. You and pM are of the same caliber in my book. :dry:

[312c]

312c, release his personal details. Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.

Release his personal info and whether or not the police can do something, I'm sure plenty of parents reading the article here and elsewhere will.

I don't know any of his details and even if I did I would not make them available on the internet. What you are calling for is a lynch mob, which is a felony over here in the USA. I know people who's lives have been ruined by someone "dox'ing" them, it doesn't just hurt one person, it drags his/her entire family and friends into something they have nothing to do with. Would you like to receive phone calls at 4 am threatening to rape and murder your family? Would you like your house to be raided by SWAT forces in the middle of the night, and have guns pointed at your family members' heads, guns aimed by men who think you are a potential threat to them, men with itchy trigger fingers? I wouldn't wish that upon even the most vile pervert, and the fact that you obviously would shows your true character. Not to mention that anyone who posted his dox on the net would be liable for felony harassment charges, which could result in subpoenas and investigations of all involved message boards and servers. This is my last post here, because quite frankly how quickly you can turn on your friends disgusts me almost as much as SpektorMax's actions.

[Slickerey]

You and pM are of the same caliber in my book. :dry:

Technically Azazel was the one distributing the child pornography because he also included the links with the images he provided. Not that they matter or anything (they're surely 404'ed by now), but I'm just stating the facts.

I remember having read a post about him being the one distributing the CP because he posted it on a much larger forum, whereas pedoMax only shared the CP links with a couple of his friends. Shortly put, they both distributed CP.

In my stance, Azazel should be the one getting reported along with pedoMax. Both are guilty.

My two cents.

[DWCreeper167]

Releasing his info would be no different than what the Sex Offenders Registry does.

NNNNNN, you are saying he has done nothing wrong? He posted links to child porn. How is that not wrong? You are staff at PTP and defending him and this is the very reason this has gone so far now because you defend his actions. I mean really, WOW.

By the time the first pic of the Skype chat was posted, the links were reported and removed. I included the disclaimer just to be safe though. I did not and would not distribute anything like this. I’m a parent myself which I guess is why this issue has become such a big deal to me. The main point of including the links in the screenshot was for later reference so that 510chan can be contacted with said links and be able to speak on the validity of them and possibly the actions they took or are taking.

I’ve spoken to a police officer in Maryland and one from VA about this situation and they assured me that with that with his details, something can be done. Having a screenshot or even Skype logs apparently aren’t enough to ensure a conviction. Even if they don’t have enough evidence to prosecute, they have enough to tell his neighbours and others just incase. Obviously not to start violence or anything but to get the word out.

EXodussquared has PM’d me tonight on IRC I guess to resolve this. We spoke for awhile about this entire situation and I have included a paste bin of the entire convo. From this I see that he wants to try and do something now but IMO, it is too late. It has been days now since this has happened and nothing has been done. Maybe the feds can’t do anything but the very least PTP could do is release Spektormax’s details to other trackers and anonymously pass on his personal details to the authorities. Hell, Spektormax is still a member at What.CD and a Torrent Celebrity no less.

Following another thread on FileShareTalk found here http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bittorrent-43/t-passthepopcorn-or-passthechildporn-403539 I hope you guys will see the attitude of PTP staff regarding this. 312c who is a PTP staff member has done nothing but preach on how legal the actions of Spektormax was. NNNNNN another PTP staff member has outright defended Spektormax and said “he has done nothing wrong” . Them along with other PTP staff members have tried to spread lies about me to take attention off of the main fact that Spektormax posted child porn and they have done nothing about it.

Convo between myself and Exodussquared tonight
http://pastebin.org/130868

Pic of NNNNNN a PTP staff member defending Spektormax
http://i42.tinypic.com/30v12d1.jpg

PTP staff continue to claim it is just Spektormax and that PTP is not involved in any way and they don’t defend his actions but obviously with their attitude and one of them actually saying “he has done nothing wrong”, it’s all a cover for them.

You folks can do what you wish but I wouldn’t be caught dead on a site of any kind where the staff think so lightly of child pornography. There are other trackers out there folks, don’t forget.

[TehMeph]

I didn't want to post in this thread because I'm affiliated with another site and I don't want to drag them and that site into this. That said, what I say represents me, and only me, and does not at all reflect the beliefs or stance of the site.

While it is true that there is recent precedent that establishes browser cached images do not constitute child pornography, spreading links to such pictures is still a Class C federal felony in the United States. By posting the links in the Skype conversation, spektormax became a felon and by distributing screenshots of said links, Azazel did too. The short and skinny of the matter is that Skype does indeed centrally log every IM on the site and a call/email from law enforcement would turn up those logs and give them the probably cause a simple tip off would not. Whether the law enforcement found anything or not when they got to his house (and by now I imagine all of his hard drives have met the microwave), he's still guilty, without a shadow of a doubt, of distribution of child pornography. A lot of people in this thread, and others elsewhere, are fond of saying that spektormax isn't guilty because he wasn't involved in the hosting or manufacturing of those images (may I also mention that 510chan did what they are legally obligated to do and removed the images as soon as they were notified, they are not at fault any more than imageshack would be if someone uploaded such filth there) but he's not simply a consumer. He was distributing the images, for whatever reason, and that moves him only just slightly below those that manufacture the images, both morally and legally.

As far as Azazel is concerned, I have never said anything to the fellow and I can't speak to his motives. What I can comment on is that those of us unfortunate to have lived and experienced this level of exploitation in our personal lives can understand an immediate and irrational backlash, especially when met with the frustration of meeting a brick wall attempt to hide and ignore these actions. I don't think Azazel handled this as perfectly as he could have, but who's to say that he was in a mental or emotional state to think clearly? I know that, when presented with this disgusting filth (because of my own personal experiences) I am prone to fits of irrational rage and anger, which is common in people in similar situations. I'm not trying to be apologetic for the way he's carried himself, but this sudden condemnation of the whistleblower speaks more about this community and its ability to think single-sidedly about an issue than anyone probably realizes.

In regards to PtP staff behavior, there's no excuse. When approached with the evidence, the initial reaction was to cover up and pretend nothing happened. I understand, being in the position that I am in, that they wouldn't want to put their tracker under legal pressure, but that's not to say they couldn't have taken the site down before reporting the fucker to the police. I would do no less if I found a staff member of mine was such a pervert and it speaks loudly to their cowardice that they will not take the proper measures to deal with this situation. Furthermore, the quickness of their reaction and how quickly they went into "damage control" mode implies, at the very least, that this is not a solitary occurence. Certainly given the callousness that defines their reply, I can't bring myself to believe that it is; having spent an extensive amount of time dealing with this level of perversion, one thing that I have learned is that child pornographers are so very hard to catch because they tend to only share their "collections" with people they feel are trustworthy because they know the legal risks their activities entail. I find it hard to believe that he would casually post images like that in a group conversation unless that trust was already earned, which, once again, implies that this isn't the first time that this has happened.

And finally, about spektormax's "disabling" at PtP. I can think of exactly 0 staff members on ANY tracker that have but one single account. There are too many logistic and entertaining reasons to have several, so disabling the accoung with the name spektormax will accomplish nothing other than to save face with those dumb enough to let the wool be pulled over their eyes. Furthermore, as a founder that has spent serious time with the site since before the site was born, he's guaranteed to continue to have server access. I know for sure that pham still does, and he voluntarily left the organization a long time ago. Spektormax's banning is nothing more than a weak attempt to save face by a group of children that are too cowardly to do the right thing in this dire situation.

Like I said, my feeling reflect only myself and are seated in a history too ugly and personal to get into and I don't want anyone to think that they reflect the opinions of my site or her staff. I want to end on a pleading note, as a victim, that the staff of PtP step up and do what everyone knows is the right thing to do here.

Thanks,
meph

[Six66Mike]

The law - http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/citizensguide_porn.html

Simply downloading the image is illegal, and surprise when you load a web page you have downloaded the material. It's also illegal to send child porn in an email I would wager my annual salary that sharing a link in a chat conversation is equivalent to emailing the image. The outcome is identical, child porn is spread.

So both Max & Azazel should be reported to the police. Your claims about warrants are baseless, police setup stings and monitor suspected pedophiles all the time. You don't need to bust down doors and raid the house, there's more than enough to justify a monitoring operation to see if this was a one off let's get a reaction thing or if he does actually have a computer full of porn.

Let the cops decide. Report them both.

[pro267]

Well said meph, finally a post in this entire soap opera of a thread I can relate to.
Plus won.

[Tv Controls you]

You guys who are throwing these laws around are missing the point...

Its beyond illegal, its just morally wrong and sickening.

[Quarterquack]

Wait wait, someone said it was legal to redistribute child pornography? How did I miss that joke, surely whoever said it (nnnnn or whoever) wasn't being serious about knowing anything related to said laws, right?

[glados]

+1 to TehMeph's post... by far the most reasonable post in this whole thread.


nobody was required to do anything by law and within the scope of the skype conversation nothing illegal was done.
dude really? I mean really? He didn't upload the pictures nor does he own the 510chan place where it was hosted. He has done nothing wrong.
To both of you PTP staff, I honestly hope you're only joking.

Child porn links were being distributed. That by itself is a felony, just like murder. If you have witnessed such felony and have not reported it, you are in fact an accomplice.

The PTP staff in that Skype convo (ExudosSqaured and z/jerrcs) have CLEARLY done absolutely nothing about it... you can notice in the screenshot that they continued sharing chan links, even about 5 minutes after child porn was posted.

The stance that PTP staff have decided to take by defending Spektormax and saying he's done nothing wrong is as disgusting as the act itself.

"he has done nothing wrong", despite the seriousness of the situation, all I can respond to that statement is "lol?"

You have just clearly proved what PTP staff are really made off. Please continue blindly defending that pedophile and your site, and attacking the OP for bringing attention to this issue (which is the correct thing to do). you sirs are only making yourself look just plain stupid.

Any PassThePopcorn member/staff with a little bit of common sense would leave PTP immediately. In fact, the right thing for PTP sysops/staff to do right now is to shut down PassThePopcorn indefinitely, instead of trying to defend spektormax and/or the site. Nobody wants to be a part of a movie-torrent site that is suspected to be a disguised front for child porn distribution.

[Cabalo]

Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.
Now I know for sure you're a kid.
Well, I knew it in advance, but I feel reassured.

Let's punish a paedophile, let's demote him from torrent celebrity at a torrent site! HAHAHAHA Oh, the revenge!!

[aen]

Since the person has been banned I do not see any reasons to foment conflict. Aza, to much e-drama here... :( I mean one fucker couldn't be a reason to leave the place. Esp. when everything solved and there is no fucker there :p

[Six66Mike]

Read previous comments about banning a staff account. It's a hollow gesture.

[heyjoe1]

Wow, there's a lot of legal experts in this thread ROFL. DWCreeper167, your username seems pretty appropriate now. The creepy way you've continued to handled this situation makes you a creep. I understand though, your still pissed off they demoted you from staff before this happened and you were just dieing for an excuse to act out your grudge.

While the rest of you white knight and sit on your high horses passing judgment, I'm going to continue using and enjoying the best movie tracker online. To some of you asking for PTP to delete your accounts - I'm sure they won't miss you that much. Aristocles I've seen your stats there. 100gb uploaded doesn't exactly make you an irreplaceable user.

Deal with spektormax and leave the rest of this drama out of bittorrent. The most this is going to do is lead to lots of traffic for Backie's blog. I'm sure he loves this shit.

[glados]

@heyjoe1: you only joined today just to make that post. Reading your post and how you attacked the OP, you look like another PTP staff under a random nick. are you kate128? 312c? nnnnnn?

Grow up, PTP staff, and open your eyes to the current situation. you don't seem to realize how serious this is. you're either only children or just plain stupid.

From what I understand from the pastebin convo between ExodusSquared and Azazel ( http://pastebin.org/130868 ), ExodusSquared is finally trying to do the right thing by reporting Spektormax and giving out his details to authorities. But before you do so, I believe for the safety of PTP members, the site should be closed indefinitely.

After reporting Spektormax, the investigation will lead to the following:
* where were child porn link distributed? in a Skype convo, with 4 other people.
* how are these people related to the offender? they are all staff at PassThePopcorn.org
* Is it a possibility that PassThePopcorn.org is a front for underground child porn distribution? ...Most definitely.

PTP will be held under investigation... from the authorities' point of view, if child porn was distributed in a convo between 4 staff of PTP, similiar activites are most definitely occuring in say a private forum for staff on PassThePopcorn (ie: the staff forum).

We've all seen child porn pics being shared in the convo between PTP staff... We've all seen that absolutly nothing was done about it. We've all seen that Jeremy/jerrcs/z proceeded in posting links 5 minutes after child porn was posted as if nothing happened. We've all seen PTP staff defending Spektormax's actions and saying he's done nothing wrong.....
I'm sorry but because of all of this, I'm inclined to believe that child porn links are being distributed in PassThePopcorn's private staff forum. At least that's the conclusion the feds are going to come to.

eXodusSquared, if you really want to do the right thing, for the sake of safety of PTP members, shut down PassThePopcorn and delete all of its database immediately.

[mayoko]

Glados,

I'm getting sick and tired of hearing your demands to banish PTP from the tracker world. Your only objective and motive is clearly to see PTP's demise.

I've been with the tracker for several months, and have been active on their IRC channel. For anybody that has used PTP, it's not only a great resource, but an awesome community. Sure they might be going through some tough times at the moment, but as long as this witch-hunt directed towards PTP stops, then things will be fine. Why must you take it out on the rest of the PTP community/site/tracker, when it didn't even have anything to do with PTP, besides the circumstances that some staff members of PTP who had no idea of the actions of another EX - staff member who they befriended. Spektormax, wasn't even on IRC chat, back 2 weeks ago, and just sort of popped in. I'm 100% positive that if PTP staff were knowledgeable that CP links were being posted, they wouldn't of clicked on any of the links. I've been talking with several of them over the last few months, and they just don't seem the type that would be into that sort of thing. (not many people are) It's quite clear, that PTP has wanted to distance themselves from this, and want nothing to do with spektormax, and the only way that PTP can successfully distance themselves from him, is by not continuously trying to link PTP back to spektormax.

Why are you trying to single out one rogue incident, and splashing it about, as though PTP distributes child-porn. Why don't you look at your statement, and realize what the majority of others most probably have concluded. PTP has been around for quite awhile, and ONLY distributes legal movies. Hell, they even state in their rules that there is no porn to be on the site. So where the hell do you get off, spewing your ridiculous, bullshit claims? All you keep doing is, reminding people of the same points, over and over again (adding biased "facts" along the way)

You are being counter-productive to what really SHOULD be happening. Your target is spektormax, not PTP. Some initial statements made by staff were kind of inappropriate (defending spektormax at the time[but really what would you expect, since he was a founder]) but they have gone through, banned any accounts he has, and said he wouldn't be back to PTP. Let's all move on from what was said by PTP staff members, as this is not the case now.

The proper thing that should happen, is that spektormax's information get released privately to the right people who can take action on his misdeeds. Then this thread should be closed, so we don't have a vulnerability to PTP or any other tracker that might be affected.

My 2 cents.

[heyjoe1]

@heyjoe1: you only joined today just to make that post. Reading your post and how you attacked the OP, you look like another PTP staff under a random nick. are you kate128? 312c? nnnnnn?

No I'm not staff at PTP. And it looks like you created your nick just to post in this thread too. Only 7 posts


Grow up, PTP staff, and open your eyes to the current situation. you don't seem to realize how serious this is. you're either only children or just plain stupid.

Seems you have a personal beef with them that goes beyond this issue. Calling them stupid children. Name calling isn't very grownup either.



From what I understand from the pastebin convo between ExodusSquared and Azazel ( http://pastebin.org/130868 ), ExodusSquared is finally trying to do the right thing by reporting Spektormax and giving out his details to authorities. But before you do so, I believe for the safety of PTP members, the site should be closed indefinitely.

Yeah I'm sure they will just close PTP after the years of hard work they put into it :wacko:.


After reporting Spektormax, the investigation will lead to the following:
* where were child porn link distributed? in a Skype convo, with 4 other people.

Child porn wasn't distributed. It looks like one sick FORMER-staff posted a link and was immediately reprimanded for it. That's not exactly distributing it. In fact, that Creeper guy came closer to distributing child porn by making the OP here and posting the links in that post.


* how are these people related to the offender? they are all staff at PassThePopcorn.org

They aren't that related. You said they are all staff. Wrong. Spektormax hasn't been staff there in months, and now he's banned there. The rest of the people in the conversation were CURRENT staff.


* Is it a possibility that PassThePopcorn.org is a front for underground child porn distribution? ...Most definitely.

Some of you people are soooo delusional it's beyond stupid.


PTP will be held under investigation... from the authorities' point of view, if child porn was distributed in a convo between 4 staff of PTP, similiar activites are most definitely occuring in say a private forum for staff on PassThePopcorn (ie: the staff forum).

Again, it doesn't sound like it was distributed moron. Your trying to take something and make it into something it's not. And I'm really sure they're sharing child porn in their staff forum :frusty:. Saying outlandish things like that just makes you look even less credible. Who the hell are you anyways? Are you staff there or anywhere else for that matter? No, your just some nobody jumping to crazy conclusions. How about using some common sense.


We've all seen child porn pics being shared in the convo between PTP staff... We've all seen that absolutly nothing was done about it. We've all seen that Jeremy/jerrcs/z proceeded in posting links 5 minutes after child porn was posted as if nothing happened. We've all seen PTP staff defending Spektormax's actions and saying he's done nothing wrong.....
I'm sorry but because of all of this, I'm inclined to believe that child porn links are being distributed in PassThePopcorn's private staff forum. At least that's the conclusion the feds are going to come to.

eXodusSquared, if you really want to do the right thing, for the sake of safety of PTP members, shut down PassThePopcorn and delete all of its database immediately.

They didn't defend him, they banned him. They have nothing to do with him now. Have you even read their posts in this thread.

[Cabalo]

and ONLY distributes legal movies.
LOL
Oh the irony.

[Aristocles]

Wow, there's a lot of legal experts in this thread ROFL. DWCreeper167, your username seems pretty appropriate now. The creepy way you've continued to handled this situation makes you a creep. I understand though, your still pissed off they demoted you from staff before this happened and you were just dieing for an excuse to act out your grudge.

While the rest of you white knight and sit on your high horses passing judgment, I'm going to continue using and enjoying the best movie tracker online. To some of you asking for PTP to delete your accounts - I'm sure they won't miss you that much. Aristocles I've seen your stats there. 100gb uploaded doesn't exactly make you an irreplaceable user.

Deal with spektormax and leave the rest of this drama out of bittorrent. The most this is going to do is lead to lots of traffic for Backie's blog. I'm sure he loves this shit.

I said I wouldn't respond here anymore but listen up, troglodyte:

I never claimed to be an irreplaceable user not even a valued user, troglodyte. I made a call based on my own beliefs, troglodyte. I left, troglodyte. Clear, troglodyte?

I hope this has been an edifying post for you.

Two posts here and the second (edit: first) one is this opus. It's getting difficult to keep track of the trolls here.

OK, sorry about replying here again, carry on. . .

[glados]

No I'm not staff at PTP. And it looks like you created your nick just to post in this thread too. Only 7 postsI've been a member here for a while. Always lurking and reading, never had anything interesting to post until I saw this thread. You joined just today to post here, and have attacked the OP in a similiar manner that PTP staff did... which led me to believe that you are in fact one of them.


Child porn wasn't distributed.yes it was. I'm not going to waste time to argue about that fact.


They didn't defend him, they banned him. They have nothing to do with him now. Have you even read their posts in this thread.Kindly read the posts made by 312c and nnnnnn (both PTP staff) in this thread. There were clearly defending spektormax and saying he has done nothing wrong and/or illegal. Also, note previous posts that "disabling" a staff's account is just for show. Staff do indeed have many accounts, and due to his involvement as a founder for the site, he probably still has server access. TehMeph has already clearly pointed that out:
"And finally, about spektormax's "disabling" at PtP. I can think of exactly 0 staff members on ANY tracker that have but one single account. There are too many logistic and entertaining reasons to have several, so disabling the accoung with the name spektormax will accomplish nothing other than to save face with those dumb enough to let the wool be pulled over their eyes. Furthermore, as a founder that has spent serious time with the site since before the site was born, he's guaranteed to continue to have server access. I know for sure that pham still does, and he voluntarily left the organization a long time ago. Spektormax's banning is nothing more than a weak attempt to save face by a group of children that are too cowardly to do the right thing in this dire situation."


I'm 100% positive that if PTP staff were knowledgeable that CP links were being posted, they wouldn't of clicked on any of the links. I've been talking with several of them over the last few months, and they just don't seem the type that would be into that sort of thing.What makes you so sure? look at the screenshot, they continued sharing links even after child porn was posted, as if nothing happened! as if it was a normal act that has been done before... Also look at the screenshots of the convo between Azazel and ExodusSquared and z/jerrcs/jeremy after the links were posted, both of the current staff acted like it's no big deal at all... what does that tell you about them?


It's quite clear, that PTP has wanted to distance themselves from this, and want nothing to do with spektormaxNot really, they only chose to act against him after the attention this thread has brought to the situation. I can assure, if the OP did not mention anything, nothing would have happened regarding Spektormax. (as seen in the irc queries screenshots).


Why are you trying to single out one rogue incident, and splashing it about, as though PTP distributes child-porn.I've seen child porn being casually distributed in a private convo between staff of that site... what makes you so sure that child porn is not also being distributed in their private staff irc channel or forum?


(adding biased "facts" along the way)I'm not adding any biased facts... I'm not even a member at PTP, and have no reason to be "biased". I'm only responding to the presented evidence. The PTP staff members in that Skype convo were there to discuss site related matter (something about transferring to Gazelle RC2)... Child porn links were being distributed in that convo (in which, again, the staff involved in that convo did nothing about it, rather they kept sharing links). How is that not PTP related?


You are being counter-productive to what really SHOULD be happening. Your target is spektormax, not PTP.Targeting Spektormax will inevitably lead to PTP. You guys seem to forget (or rather ignore) that Spektormax and PTP are (or at least were) heavily related. Keep in mind that since he was involved in child porn distribution, all of his internet activity in the past will be closely inspected. This will involve PassThePopcorn (which he is/was the founder of)... Also ExodusSquared, the current sysop of PTP said himself that NOW after all the attention he has decided to report him; afterwhich ptp WILL be raided. Protecting the members of that site is my only concern. Which is why I was saying that closing down the site would be the best choice of action in such situation. Please prove me wrong.

[bonkers]

hang the bas**rds:angry::angry::angry:

[kavselj]

Delicious CP! :w00t::w00t::whistling

Kudos to Azazel for providing e-drama.

[Slickerey]

hang the bas**rds:angry::angry::angry:

Better yet, use a guillotine! :happy:

[spektormax]

I have decided that it is time to explain my actions to the community as these accusations have gone long enough. The following is a brief summary of the events of the 24 hours leading up to the incident:
Around 1-4am the night before, Z and I were speaking about various RC2 related things. I had been asked by him to run some numbers for the new bonus points system. After getting tired of 'working', Z mentioned that he had a Virtual Machine with Windows 95 on it. After we played around with the Windows 95 machine, we proceeded to move on to his XP Virtual Machine. Because it was a virtual machine, we decided to see how many viruses we could get installed on it and then see how the hooked into the kernel, what they connected to etc. I decided that the best way to acquire a large amount of viruses was to visit adult sites, as many of them will have you download 'video.exe' or other similar dangerous files.

However, after having some difficulty finding a site that hosted a virus, we decided to simply google for 'porn tube'. After going down 2 pages of links, we decided to skip to page 9 or so in order to have a higher chance of finding a less reputable site. This is were we encountered to our surprise a huge amount of child pornographic pictures which we moved on from and continued to search for more viruses.

The next day Z, exodusquared and I were in a skype conversation, while Azazel was in the chat (he was NOT part of the call). After discussing more RC2 related material, I had mentioned to exodusquared that Z and I had stumbled upon Child Porn on the internet, and that I was surprised how unhidden it was. Exodus and Z mentioned that its much more likely to stumble upon Child Porn on 4chan. To my disbelief after refreshing /b a few times, I did see child porn and some links to '510chan'. I posted a link to the tread as well a copy of the links in the thread, and asked if they thought these were child porn.

Approximately 5 minutes later I was informed by exodusquared that Azazel had contacted him over IRC and said that he was 'sickened by me, that he was going to leave PTP, and that he wanted my personal information.' He never spoke to me, or any of the skype chat; he simply spoke to exodusquared about it, and then went on his anti-ptp smear campain.

Had Azazel been present during the conversation, he would understand that the links were not posted for the purpose of disgusting anyone, but simply to confirm that indeed Z and exodusquared were correct in saying that there is Child Porn on 4chan an other xchan sites.

This entire situation has been blown WAY out of proportion by Azazel, instead of speaking to me, he has created an anti-ptp internet war for his own benefit. Regardless of this explanation, I have since been removed from PTP and my server access removed. I don't have much of a problem with this since my relationship with various PTP staff and site members has caused me to reconsider my involvement prior to this issue.

At the end of the day, I am providing this explanation to A immediately stop all of the 'mud slinging against PTP', regardless of my former association with the tracker, this incident was between a few friends, and does not have ANYTHING to do with PTP. B, I would like to make sure that everyone understand that I do not want the internet community to turn around and go after Azazel for down right lieing; the more the situation is spoken of, the worse it becomes. C, the actions that occurred do not violated US Federal law, as distribution must be of the material, and not the link. If it was against the law to simply link to child pornography, then google would have been in jail years ago. Thus while perhaps the links should not have been posted, not even in private; this action does not violate any laws. D, I would like to ask that this thread, and all others started from it stop immediately the association that Pham's child is in any way related to this incident, the comment was generated by Azazel, and I have IRC logs to prove it.

This being said, I hope that the community can move past this incident, and that PTP will continue to flourish; despite my lack of involvement. I would like to also remind PTP staff, that your lack of trust in me, and not asking me first about the incident before posting in a public forum disheartens me greatly.

Thank you very much for your time,
Spektormax
Former Founder and Sysop of PassThePopcorn.

[nnnnnn]

I have decided that it is time to explain my actions to the community as these accusations have gone long enough. The following is a brief summary of the events of the 24 hours leading up to the incident:
Around 1-4am the night before, Z and I were speaking about various RC2 related things. I had been asked by him to run some numbers for the new bonus points system. After getting tired of 'working', Z mentioned that he had a Virtual Machine with Windows 95 on it. After we played around with the Windows 95 machine, we proceeded to move on to his XP Virtual Machine. Because it was a virtual machine, we decided to see how many viruses we could get installed on it and then see how the hooked into the kernel, what they connected to etc. I decided that the best way to acquire a large amount of viruses was to visit adult sites, as many of them will have you download 'video.exe' or other similar dangerous files.

However, after having some difficulty finding a site that hosted a virus, we decided to simply google for 'porn tube'. After going down 2 pages of links, we decided to skip to page 9 or so in order to have a higher chance of finding a less reputable site. This is were we encountered to our surprise a huge amount of child pornographic pictures which we moved on from and continued to search for more viruses.

The next day Z, exodusquared and I were in a skype conversation, while Azazel was in the chat (he was NOT part of the call). After discussing more RC2 related material, I had mentioned to exodusquared that Z and I had stumbled upon Child Porn on the internet, and that I was surprised how unhidden it was. Exodus and Z mentioned that its much more likely to stumble upon Child Porn on 4chan. To my disbelief after refreshing /b a few times, I did see child porn and some links to '510chan'. I posted a link to the tread as well a copy of the links in the thread, and asked if they thought these were child porn.

Approximately 5 minutes later I was informed by exodusquared that Azazel had contacted him over IRC and said that he was 'sickened by me, that he was going to leave PTP, and that he wanted my personal information.' He never spoke to me, or any of the skype chat; he simply spoke to exodusquared about it, and then went on his anti-ptp smear campain.

Had Azazel been present during the conversation, he would understand that the links were not posted for the purpose of disgusting anyone, but simply to confirm that indeed Z and exodusquared were correct in saying that there is Child Porn on 4chan an other xchan sites.

This entire situation has been blown WAY out of proportion by Azazel, instead of speaking to me, he has created an anti-ptp internet war for his own benefit. Regardless of this explanation, I have since been removed from PTP and my server access removed. I don't have much of a problem with this since my relationship with various PTP staff and site members has caused me to reconsider my involvement prior to this issue.

At the end of the day, I am providing this explanation to A immediately stop all of the 'mud slinging against PTP', regardless of my former association with the tracker, this incident was between a few friends, and does not have ANYTHING to do with PTP. B, I would like to make sure that everyone understand that I do not want the internet community to turn around and go after Azazel for down right lieing; the more the situation is spoken of, the worse it becomes. C, the actions that occurred do not violated US Federal law, as distribution must be of the material, and not the link. If it was against the law to simply link to child pornography, then google would have been in jail years ago. Thus while perhaps the links should not have been posted, not even in private; this action does not violate any laws. D, I would like to ask that this thread, and all others started from it stop immediately the association that Pham's child is in any way related to this incident, the comment was generated by Azazel, and I have IRC logs to prove it.

This being said, I hope that the community can move past this incident, and that PTP will continue to flourish; despite my lack of involvement. I would like to also remind PTP staff, that your lack of trust in me, and not asking me first about the incident before posting in a public forum disheartens me greatly.

Thank you very much for your time,
Spektormax
Former Founder and Sysop of PassThePopcorn.

Nice to know what really happened. Thanks.

[gamesover]

This thing is getting old. Too much drama

[aen]

Yeah everyone gota chill.

Btw spektormax, thanks for posting.

[megabyteme]

Regardless of "back story" a TRULY STUPID THING TO DO!

Remember everyone... don't play with child porn. :facepalm:

[kavselj]

Regardless of "back story" a TRULY STUPID THING TO DO!

Remember everyone... don't play with child porn. :facepalm:
Exactly, don't play with it, fap to it :naughty:

[Six66Mike]

So did you report the links you found to the authorities or not? All I give a shit about here is people stepping up & doing the right thing, and reporting illegal material they found.

BTW sending kiddie porn via email = felony. I'm sure the FBI wouldn't have a hard time categorizing linking/mass publishing on forums thanks to Azazel any differently.

[HavocCaused]

The next day Z, exodusquared and I were in a skype conversation, while Azazel was in the chat (he was NOT part of the call). After discussing more RC2 related material, I had mentioned to exodusquared that Z and I had stumbled upon Child Porn on the internet, and that I was surprised how unhidden it was. Exodus and Z mentioned that its much more likely to stumble upon Child Porn on 4chan. To my disbelief after refreshing /b a few times, I did see child porn and some links to '510chan'. I posted a link to the tread as well a copy of the links in the thread, and asked if they thought these were child porn.



Likely story, Is that the best you can come up with and why wasn't this mentioned by exodusquared and Z days ago?

[Quarterquack]

Havoc nailed it. For such an "inactive staffer" you sure were involved in RC2 material, A LOT. Why wasn't Azazel told of this when he contacted both Sys-Ops? Why weren't we told this story instead of the Sys-Ops saying "We told him to stop!"

You don't answer "You're right there's a lot of CP on *chans, here look at this" with "stop that's disgusting dude" especially if the latter person is who told you where to go look for it, in the first place.

Did it actually take you this long to come up with this pathetic lie? You should have really gone down the "My brother did it" road.

[Tv Controls you]

This being said, I hope that the community can move past this incident, and that PTP will continue to flourish; despite my lack of involvement. I would like to also remind PTP staff, that your lack of trust in me, and not asking me first about the incident before posting in a public forum disheartens me greatly.

This is a load of BULL SHIT.

You posted those links to confirm their was child porn on a website....
Come on you sorry ass son of a bitch.

[glados]

yea LOL... I even starting giggling while reading Spektormax's post at how ridiculous the lie he came up with is... I may have actually believed a "my brother/roommate was on the computer using my Skype" rather than the pathetic far fetched lie that had no previous mention whatsoever by Z/jerrcs/jeremy or ExodusSquared. How stupid do you think people are, Spektormax?


A immediately stop all of the 'mud slinging against PTP', regardless of my former association with the tracker, this incident was between a few friends, and does not have ANYTHING to do with PTP.These group of "friends" are all staff at PTP, you said yourself that the Skype convo was for discussing PTP and migrating to Gazelle RC2. PTP-staff irc channel and forums are for discussing site related matter, how do we not know that child porn links are being shared there too?


B, I would like to make sure that everyone understand that I do not want the internet community to turn around and go after Azazel for down right lieing; the more the situation is spoken of, the worse it becomes.How did he lie? all of his claims were verified with screenshots... They were even verified by z/jerrcs/jeremy and ExodusSquared. You guys keep trying to turn this around against the OP... I don't understand why PTP staff keep doing this, it doesn't help with your situation at all.


C, the actions that occurred do not violated US Federal law, as distribution must be of the material, and not the link. If it was against the law to simply link to child pornography, then google would have been in jail years ago. Thus while perhaps the links should not have been posted, not even in private; this action does not violate any laws.LOL. you really are misinformed. Not surprised hearing that from a pedophile such as yourself. You have WILLINGLY posted direct links to child porn images (knowing what they are). That is re-distribution of child porn material. Whether you have done this on forums/message boards/MSN/Skype/etc... Having produced the material itself or hosted it is irrelevant to the fact that act of re-distributing it is strictly illegal. Also keep in mind that Google does not have direct links to child porn images, Also, even if Google did index a website that contains illegal material, it was not done so willingly (the process is automated) and they continuously remove such websites from their index. Both of these situations cannot be compared.

In other words, if PTP staff would step up and release your details to the authorities, you will receive a knock on the door. However PTP staff have decided to protect this pedophile; that tells us a lot about them...

The more PTP staff try to comment on the situation, the worse they make it for themselves and their site. They're only adding fuel to the fire... their reactions and how they're dealing with this matter is extremely downright wrong, and quite frankly, a bit hilarious!

[Hombre]

omg, this news is all over the places.
even some friends of mine that almost never pay attention to bt sites knew there was a site with sth with popcorn on the title that is run by paedophiles!
OMG, the site sux and is probably the lowest rep site on all over the net of bittorrent.
I have stopped using my acc there forever.

[optimist]

The humour in this eludes me.

It really annoys me that the staff of PTP think that their sites reputation is more important than exposing a potential pedophile.

Their failure to angrily condemn child porn really makes me wonder how many other staff are also perverts and whether sharing CP is a common thing at PTP.

IF THIS GUY IS A PEDO, HE ISNT YOUR FRIEND UNLESS YOU ARE A PEDO TOO!!

[bonkers]

If this guy is a pedo, he isnt your friend unless you are a pedo too!!

:yup::yup::yup::yup: well said that person

[t0x]

Just, wow.

I've been a member at PTP for a while (just over 10 months to be exact) and in my time there I've talk on IRC regularly and read the forums. I've spent time talking to Azazel, DAQ, z/jerrcs and plenty of other staff there, and in my time spent with them I never ONCE received anything about child porn. Not even a mention of it. In my 10 months there, I've never even seen SpekTorMax speak on irc (that I can remember).

I don't know how I would go about handling if someone linked me to child porn, but I can tell you I would be repulsed by it because I've got children in my family and I certainly wouldn't do what Azazel did. A lot of people here are stating that SpekTorMax = PTP, when that just isn't the case. Obviously, as other staff have stated, he hasn't been a part of PTP for a while. That's kind of like stating the guy from the Dell commercials who got arrested for possession of a control substance (marijuana, I believe) was also selling marijuana for Dell along with their computers. It's just not a logical argument.

The fact is, he gave the links to 3 people (total). Azazel gave the links to [potentially] thousands of people. Both should be reprimanded for it, in my opinion. I do understand peoples need to protect society from these predators, but really a forum site? or a lame blog run by someone who wasn't even involved in it? You're bringing more attention to PTP/PTP staff and yourself than you are the real issue, which is child porn. Which does make me think you're on some type of crusade and trying to get your name as some type of BitTorrent martyr against child porn.

Azazel, you should be ashamed of yourself. Spreading around slander about PTP, making people think that all of PTP is a cover site for child porn. Immoral, at the very least. You should've talked to more than two people about it before going on a smear campaign against PTP and their staff. Your actions in this situation have really made me see your true colors. You'd rather alienate yourself from friends and ally yourself with law enforcement than attempt to find out what was actually going on. You jumped to conclusions, made assumptions, passed judgment, and became the prosecutor, judge, and jury. I get that you want to protect children, but you went about this the entirely wrong way. Furthermore, if you didn't have intentions of spreading around these links around, why would you screenshot and then proceed to save the links and post them everywhere you could? To me, it wouldn't make sense to screenshot something just to keep it on your computer. No matter what anyone at PTP done, I'm sure you had planned to "stir up shit" from the moment you clicked those links and found out what they really were. I hope you're happy being a martyr because that's all you're going to be doing in the private BitTorrent community. I wouldn't let someone like you within 100 miles of a site I had power over.

SpekTorMax, I've never talked to you. So, I'm not gonna sit here and lecture you about what you did, or the reasons behind what you did. I actually believe your story about confirming that the links were cp. Admittedly, you thought it was child porn, and you should have to answer for that to someone. I don't agree that it should be done by "dropping your dox" for the masses to threaten you. I think more damage has been done to PTP than to your reputation, personally. Which is a sad thing, because PTP is an amazing site. It has gifted coders and staff who actually care about the users. I'm actually glad you're not a part of the site, and haven't been for quite some time from what I can tell.

PassThePopcorn banned SpekTorMax, and Azazel, for their actions. The only thing anyone will get from this thread is more drama, and more finger pointing. Azazel made sure the damage done to PTP's reputation was significant, and there's no going back from that.

[Tv Controls you]

I love how the majority of people defending this asshole are new members that joined this week.

NOTHING would have been done to Spektormax if this wasn't brought to the public's attention.

They continued to post 4chan links after the posting of his CP, like nothing happened... The staff still defend him till this day by trying to say its not illegal they way he distributed and where he lives.....

Screw the law.... Its just morally fucking wrong (excuse my language, but the whole discussion over it being lawful or not is pointless)

[cinephilia]

a torrentsite is made by its members, not by the puppets who run it; that means i won't stop using ptp for your false principles.

[megabyteme]

NOTHING would have been done to Spektormax if this wasn't brought to the public's attention.

The problem is, that Assal actually created a worse problem (by posting the actual links here) than he was protesting.

Assal deserves no accolades for what he has done. None.

pedoMax looked like a piece of shit before his post here, now he looks SERIOUSLY GUILTY with his stupid cover story.

I have posted that there was little evidence to warrant a search. After reading the "back story", I'll change my argument.

If anyone has specific info on pedoMax's "outside activities", they should come forward.

I still don't know how much should be projected on PtP. They were slow to respond, but have done so. A lot of hard work has gone into that site and I believe there is still sufficient reason to give the staff there some lee-way. It really isn't feasible to report people to the cops every time they do something disgusting/stupid. Perhaps they have given pedoMax too much lee-way due to his founder status. It is however, stupid and unfair to call PtP a front for child porn.

[Tv Controls you]

As a proud Pirate I do not want to be associated with a pedophile.
Nor do I want anyone else to get the idea that the two are even slightly related.

I don't care where he goes, as long as it isn't anywhere near filesharing protocols.

[megabyteme]

As a proud Pirate I do not want to be associated with a pedophile.
Nor do I want anyone else to get the idea that the two are even slightly related.

I don't care where he goes, as long as it isn't anywhere near filesharing protocols.

See. This thread has done more to connect filesharing with pedos than it has to rid the world of injustice. This was handled poorly.

[mrnobody]

i think both OP and the said person should be reported to FBI.
Hopefully they'll get 5 year of prison, an insulting publicity by local newspaper (or at least the torrentfreak), and both their life will be doomed forever....

and i think whoever said "fap to childpron" few pages back needs to be put on mental hospital, where they'll shock him every other second.

[Tv Controls you]

See. This thread has done more to connect filesharing with pedos than it has to rid the world of injustice. This was handled poorly.

I am inclined to agree on a certain level, however...
Do you believe anything would have been done, if this wasn't brought to FST's attention?

I'm glad they have banned him now, as it shows that we don't associate with such content.

*dinner is done, be on in a bit. This is getting interesting lol.

[t0x]

I love how the majority of people defending this asshole are new members that joined this week.

Yes, I joined FST today just to post. I'll freely admit that. But how exactly is that a bad thing? Also, care to explain how I'm defending anyone?

I didn't defend or protect anyone except the site itself and the current staff members who have become tied up in Azazel's campaign against it.


See. This thread has done more to connect filesharing with pedos than it has to rid the world of injustice. This was handled poorly.

Completely agreed.


I am inclined to agree on a certain level, however...Do you believe anything would have been done, if this wasn't brought to FST's attention?

I honestly do think he would've been banned had Azazel handled it differently, and I think he would've been banned faster had DAQ or pham were apprised of the situation, but that's just my speculation. Had he went to the right person at the time rather than starting this entire mess it would've been handled discreetly and silently without the involvement of any of "us."

And honestly, do you think he if all he wanted was his information so he could turn him into the proper authorities he would've saved the screen shots of the Skype chat? I don't think so. He saved those because he KNEW what he was going to do, no matter what PTP done about the situation. Please try to think with your head, rather than your ass.

[Tv Controls you]

And honestly, do you think he if all he wanted was his information so he could turn him into the proper authorities he would've saved the screen shots of the Skype chat? I don't think so. He saved those because he KNEW what he was going to do, no matter what PTP done about the situation. Please try to think with your head, rather than your ass.

I don't think you understand... I don't like the "proper authorities" as I don't like the way they handle things.

Some points I want to stress to you:

-There is absolutely zero evidence suggesting that anyone in that chat opposed what he posted. (Besides Azazel of course)

-In response they continued to post more 4chan links almost fueling him to post more.

-They come here!!! and try to defend him by saying it wasn't illegal, rather 510chan, and the original poster of the pictures on 510chan was liable.

-Spekto comes here and makes up some Bullshit lie about checking to make sure if it was child porn or not....

-It took PTP 3 days total to finally ban Spekto.

Every aspect of this whole situation makes me believe that every staff member of PTP was fine with the posting of these pictures.
The sole, and only reason for his ban was to take the heat off of the community because it wasn't accepted by the public.
DAQ and pham if they were such good staff members, should of had him banned day of the incident.... Let me remind you it took THREE DAYS to finally ban him

[puckface]

This entire situation has been blown WAY out of proportion by Azazel,

No. No it hasn't.

[t0x]

-There is absolutely zero evidence suggesting that anyone in that chat opposed what he posted.

-In response they continued to post more 4chan links almost fueling him to post more.

-They come here!!! and try to defend him by saying it wasn't illegal, rather 510chan, and the original poster of the pictures on 510chan was liable.

-Spekto comes here and makes up some Bullshit lie about checking to make sure if it was child porn or not....

-It took PTP 3 days total to finally ban Spekto.

- Do you record your Skype voice calls? Because I know I don't. So of course there isn't any proof. Only the people on the call know what really happened.

- 4chan =! 510chan. You don't know what that 4chan picture was. It could have been a Chris Hansen picture for all you know and they were trolling him over the cp pictures. You don't know.

- Legal issues vary from country to country. Maybe it's not legal in their country, maybe it's not prosecuted there. I'm not a lawyer so I won't guess on the legality of the issue.

- How do you know it was a lie? He didn't have to post here, most of the "flameing" has been against PTP staff for not taking action, which leads me to my last point...

- 3 days total to ban someone from multiple accounts, server access (which I'm assuming is limited to a select few of the upper staff members as not to endanger the site/users) and from other forms of manipulating the site? Wow, I can't imagine why it would take 3 days to find everything he had access to and delete it. *shakes head* :frusty:

[Tv Controls you]

Yes it takes 3 days to ban someone from a website....

Come on... Really. How stupid do you think we are.
You are a complete jackass if you believe their was someone going a straight 72 hours trying to ban him.

I'd love for someone to come and post what was being discussed when he posted those pictures, because I will eat them alive.

[t0x]

Yes it takes 3 days to ban someone from a website....

Come on... Really. How stupid do you think we are.
You are a complete jackass if you believe their was someone going a straight 72 hours trying to ban him.

I don't think there was. I think there was maybe two or three people who could completely remove his access from everything, and those people do have lives. pham could remove his access and DAQ (again, I'm assuming here) and I believe pham recently stepped back from the site for personal issues. DAQ is back but still has a life, I remember not seeding him for a few days because SiteOp's aren't needed to be there all the time, day in and day out.

Most of us don't blog, reply to forums, and torrent all day. Some people have jobs, lives (friends, family) and don't spend the majority of their free time on their computer.

[Tv Controls you]

Most of us don't blog, reply to forums, and torrent all day. Some people have jobs, lives (friends, family) and don't spend the majority of their free time on their computer.

It would seem as if PTP staff have enough time to wank to Child pornography over a glass of tea and cookies every night though.

It seems as if the common excuse here is that everyone is busy with someone else, and never have time for PTP.
Lets go along with your bullshit excuse...

Azazel was going through some busy times in his life, and didn't have time to discuss it elsewhere so he just took a quick screenshot, and posted it here.
Poor guy is just so damn busy that he didn't have time to take it elsewhere.

[t0x]

It would seem as if PTP staff have enough time to wank to Child pornography over a glass of tea and cookies every night though.

I said to stop using your ass to think... again, you're not making one single valid point. You have NO proof of those, what-so-ever. Just pure conjuncture from someone who posted links to child porn for thousands of people to see to further his own agenda. You seriously have no clue what went on during that call, and what was said after those links were posted.

[Tv Controls you]

I said to stop using your ass to think... again, you're not making one single valid point. You have NO proof of those, what-so-ever. Just pure conjuncture from someone who posted links to child porn for thousands of people to see to further his own agenda. You seriously have no clue what went on during that call, and what was said after those links were posted.

Your right, what am I thinking.

Anyone else want to join a skype with me and "check" to see if links contain child pornography.
Only a clear thinking man would search for child porn, and then have others on skype check to confirm that it is child porn.


Come on....Do you even realize what your trying to defend?

[t0x]

Azazel was going through some busy times in his life, and didn't have time to discuss it elsewhere so he just took a quick screenshot, and posted it here.
Poor guy is just so damn busy that he didn't have time to take it elsewhere.

That's not truthful at all. He made the same post on several forums, and at least a one blog. I'm sure he also sent in the "article" to TorrentFreak or **************... and I'm almost positive they won't run something involving it so he had no choice but to post it on here. Also, he called cops in two different states trying to get him in trouble. I don't care about that, it's a moot point. My point simply is: Azazel could have handled this much better, and he didn't need to involve the entire BitTorrent scene in his campaign to stop child porn. Nor did he have to slander PTP and their staff, who have done nothing towards him except demote him from a moderator-type position.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the same one who stirred shit up with BTN when they demoted him? Wow, amazing... two different private BT trackers demote him. I'm sure it's for different reasons, but doesn't anyone else think this was handled inappropriately? It can't be a good thing to associate any form of P2P with child porn. This accusation from him has caused more damage than solved any problem.


Your right, what am I thinking.

Anyone else want to join a skype with me and "check" to see if links contain child pornography.
Only a clear thinking man would search for child porn, and then have others on skype check to confirm that it is child porn.


Come on....Do you even realize what your trying to defend?

I'm not defending him. I don't care what happens to him... actually. I'm defending PTP, because they had nothing to do with it in the first place.

[Tv Controls you]

I'm not defending him. I don't care what happens to him... actually. I'm defending PTP, because they had nothing to do with it in the first place.

PTP staff were in the channel when he linked to child porno pictures.

[t0x]

PTP staff were in the channel when he linked to child porno pictures.

I'm not arguing that. I know a couple of them have posted in here stating that they were cp pictures, but the fact is they didn't post them. He was no longer staff there, just merely a consultant and founder of the site... the idea, I guess you could say. But he's not there for the day-to-day activities like FLS and moderators are, which is who this entire campaign from Azazel, and now you, is geared towards.

[megabyteme]

I'm not defending him. I don't care what happens to him... actually. I'm defending PTP, because they had nothing to do with it in the first place.

I believe you and I are not too far apart on this.

Personally, I have (when I was younger- not recently) seen friends drive when they were intoxicated. I have known people who made money selling drugs. I turned a blind eye to those instances because I knew them. I am 100% certain that many of the "evil must be stamped out at all costs" posters have at least, one time or another, done the same. Would I do things differently? Honestly, I don't know.

I have never faced the same situation that the PtP faced. I do still believe that their blind-eye was due to pedoMax's founder status. Things were probably not as black and white as they first seem to be. Ultimately, they got together and made the right moves. I now believe there IS sufficient reason for pedoMax to be investigated. At the time, there was only a couple of links posted. Now, we have seen a PATHETIC, BULLSHIT COVER STORY. PEOPLE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND GET pedoMax INVESTIGATED.

[Tv Controls you]

I'm not arguing that. I know a couple of them have posted in here stating that they were cp pictures, but the fact is they didn't post them. He was no longer staff there, just merely a consultant and founder of the site... the idea, I guess you could say. But he's not there for the day-to-day activities like FLS and moderators are, which is who this entire campaign from Azazel, and now you, is geared towards.

What do you think would happen to Apple stock if Steve Jobs was found to be a pedophile?

My point being... A founder directly reflects on his assets.

[glados]

The humour in this eludes me.

It really annoys me that the staff of PTP think that their sites reputation is more important than exposing a potential pedophile.

Their failure to angrily condemn child porn really makes me wonder how many other staff are also perverts and whether sharing CP is a common thing at PTP.

IF THIS GUY IS A PEDO, HE ISNT YOUR FRIEND UNLESS YOU ARE A PEDO TOO!!^agreed.

Wow... and again, people like PTP staff and t0x are still attacking Azazel to drain attention from the main issue here... NOBODY CARES why Azazel did what he did, all people care about is to bring Spektormax to justice.

The main issue here is that PTP staff had done absolutely nothing ("disabling" his account isn't doing shit)... They have his name, email, IPs, phone number, and probably even his address... more than enough to report him to authorities, yet they are still protecting him.

PTP staff are without a doubt protecting a pedophile. That tells me enough about them, and that alone is enough reason for any sensible individual to stay clear from passthepopcorn.

[Tv Controls you]

NOBODY CARES why Azazel

^agreed, the fight about Azazel is pointless....
And further more is no where near on the scale of what Spektormax did.

Although I am pleased with him just being disabled, his ip should be openly distributed to every private tracker for a global ban.
The Authorities are scum bags, and not to be trusted at all with this matter. The main concern here (for me atleast) is getting him far from File sharing.

[t0x]

I believe you and I are not too far apart on this.

Personally, I have (when I was younger- not recently) seen friends drive when they were intoxicated. I have known people who made money selling drugs. I turned a blind eye to those instances because I knew them. I am 100% certain that many of the "evil must be stamped out at all costs" posters have at least, one time or another, done the same. Would I do things differently? Honestly, I don't know.

I have never faced the same situation that the PtP faced. I do still believe that their blind-eye was due to pedoMax's founder status. Things were probably not as black and white as they first seem to be. Ultimately, they got together and made the right moves. I now believe there IS sufficient reason for pedoMax to be investigated. At the time, there was only a couple of links posted. Now, we have seen a PATHETIC, BULLSHIT COVER STORY. PEOPLE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND GET pedoMax INVESTIGATED.

I've seen and done bad things in the past. I was a teenager, after all. I never turned anyone over to the cops for petty small things, but I have done things that are to make the community better (IE: press charges on a rapist) and I believe those are for the overall better part of the community. If the people who have his information and feel like he is this person then I would tell them to turn over information to the proper person to have it handled. If they believe he is a danger, then I beg them to do so. From what I can tell he was telling the truth because he has no reason to lie about anything. He's already "lost" or given up rights to the site, and managed to lose friends in this process. Lying isn't going to further anything for him...

I spoke to someone who was in the conversation (the actual call conversation, not just the text part of it) about that mysterious 4chan link that was posted to "encourage" him to post more child porn pictures, and it was a simple LOL4chan picture, and before the 510chan links there were several of the LOL4chan picture links... which I'm assuming Azazel conveniently left out, so we could assume things. The same things he had intent to do... which was slander the staff of an amazing private BitTorrent tracker.

I honestly don't see how authorities would investigate something like this, but that's another persons issue... because I have no opinion on the legality of it. It would be very hard to be tracked down based on an online alias. As I've stated, I'm not a lawyer or a police official, so I won't speculate on it.



NOBODY CARES why Azazel

^agreed, the fight about Azazel is pointless....
And further more is no where near on the scale of what Spektormax did.

orly? Because I don't condone what SpekTorMax done, he showed those links to 3-4 people. Azazel showed them to thousands, potentially. So tell me how much better Azazel is for sharing this, and how it's not as bad as what SpekTorMax done?

[Tv Controls you]

about that mysterious 4chan link that was posted to "encourage" him to post more child porn pictures, and it was a simple LOL4chan picture

So they found it amusing that he posted child pornography.


So tell me how much better Azazel is for sharing this, and how it's not as bad as what SpekTorMax done?

Azazel had ZERO intentions of spreading child pornography, but rather he came here to expose what Spektormax had did. (the Pictures where 404ed, so he didn't distribute anything illegal)
SpekTorMAX distributed pictures with the intention of spreading child porno. (also the links were active, so they did link to child pornography).

So since you love the to reference laws, I'll tell you that a guy who gives a link to a 404ed page (with the intention of correcting a issue), and a guy who gives a link to child porn are treated differently.

[t0x]

about that mysterious 4chan link that was posted to "encourage" him to post more child porn pictures, and it was a simple LOL4chan picture

So they found it amusing that he posted child pornography.

I didn't say that at all. I said it was a random LOL4chan picture that was posted by someone, with no intent towards anyone. The "encourage" part was sarcastic, because you were assuming it was to egg him on to share more pictures, when in fact it was something completely unrelated to what he was linking. The stupidity from you gets worse with each post, just wanted to remind you of that.

[Tv Controls you]

I didn't say that at all. I said it was a random LOL4chan picture that was posted by someone, with no intent towards anyone.

So you think it is normal to post an lolpicture after someone posts some hard core child pornography?

Wait wait... Before you say it... I'm sure he was too busy with his problems in life to click on those links.
Poor guy... Just so busy...

[megabyteme]

Lying isn't going to further anything for him...

Wrong here. As anyone would, he wants to be seen as a non-pedophile. And, he also wants this discussion to end before he gets investigated.

His ass is in some serious fire right now. Lying was his ONLY hope for an out.

[glados]

From what I can tell he was telling the truth because he has no reason to lie about anything. He's already "lost" or given up rights to the site, and managed to lose friends in this process. Lying isn't going to further anything for him...lol?
His whole life will get ruined if he's reported, and you say he has no reason to lie about anything?
you don't seem to understand the seriousness of the situation; losing access to the site or few "internet friends" is nothing compared to be convicted for child porn distribution, a felony with jail time charges.


The same things he had intent to do... which was slander the staff of an amazing private BitTorrent tracker.irrelevant. Attacking the OP leads to nowhere and doesn't change the fact that PTP staff are still protecting a pedophile.


I honestly don't see how authorities would investigate something like this, but that's another persons issue... because I have no opinion on the legality of it. It would be very hard to be tracked down based on an online alias....which is why PTP staff should step up and release his information to the authorities... yet they're still protecting him for the sake of their little site.

Another poster has taken the words out of my mouth:
It really annoys me that the staff of PTP think that their sites reputation is more important than exposing a potential pedophile.
Their failure to angrily condemn child porn really makes me wonder how many other staff are also perverts and whether sharing CP is a common thing at PTP.

[t0x]

So since you love the to reference laws, I'll tell you that a guy who gives a link to a 404ed page (with the intention of correcting a issue), and a guy who gives a link to child porn are treated differently.

1) I didn't reference any laws. Because I don't claim to know them.
2) Obviously? I'm not a moron. Unlike some people in this thread.
3) If the page was 404'd, what was the purpose of linking them? As proof for the slander that PTP staff was involved in the spreading of child porn? That's the one of the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

Regardless of why Azazel done this, the point is Spek was already disassociated with the site long ago. He was there as a courtesy, just like Azazel was (because they were both former staff). Azazel will be the only person who knows his true motives for start the wildfire, but I do highly doubt it was "with the intent of correcting an issue." Just based on his past vendetta with a certain private tracker who demoted him.

[Tv Controls you]

1) I didn't reference any laws. Because I don't claim to know them.
2) Obviously? I'm not a moron. Unlike some people in this thread.
3) If the page was 404'd, what was the purpose of linking them? As proof for the slander that PTP staff was involved in the spreading of child porn? That's the one of the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

Regardless of why Azazel done this, the point is Spek was already disassociated with the site long ago. He was there as a courtesy, just like Azazel was (because they were both former staff). Azazel will be the only person who knows his true motives for start the wildfire, but I do highly doubt it was "with the intent of correcting an issue." Just based on his past vendetta with a certain private tracker who demoted him.

No one cares about Azazel we are talking about PTP as a site.

Your Garbage about Azazel is

irrelevant. Attacking the OP leads to nowhere and doesn't change the fact that PTP staff are still protecting a pedophile.

*T0x be sure to answer my question in my last post, I am dying to hear the answer.

[brento]

lol

e-drama ftw

[optimist]

I spoke to someone who was in the conversation (the actual call conversation, not just the text part of it) about that mysterious 4chan link that was posted to "encourage" him to post more child porn pictures, and it was a simple LOL4chan picture, and before the 510chan links there were several of the LOL4chan picture links... which I'm assuming Azazel conveniently left out, so we could assume things. The same things he had intent to do... which was slander the staff of an amazing private BitTorrent tracker.

This is rather at odds with your claim that you have no interest in the site. You obviously are much closer than most members PTP to actual staff at PTP or you are a member of staff.



I honestly don't see how authorities would investigate something like this, but that's another persons issue... because I have no opinion on the legality of it. It would be very hard to be tracked down based on an online alias. As I've stated, I'm not a lawyer or a police official, so I won't speculate on it..

You are rather missing the point. Its not for PTP or you to decide whether this guy should be investigated. Its for the COPS to decide.

Perhaps you dont know how it works... The cops talk to ppl and gather evidence. It may be that other ppl are already suspicous about his real life activites or that he is actually a convicted pedo. Perhaps this evidence together with what is already known IS enough for a proper investgaton? Who knows? Not you anyway. Its only by bringing in the cops that you actually have a chance to find out the truth and perhaps prevent this guy from offending any further.

And there is still a very good chance that the cops will get involved.

The question PTP staff have to ask themselves is - how do they feel about explaining to the cops, their familys, girlfriends, boyfriends that they knew someone who had an interest in child porn and did nothing.

[Tv Controls you]

This is rather at odds with your claim that you have no interest in the site. You obviously are much closer than most members PTP to actual staff at PTP or you are a member of staff.

I got the same feeling while typing with him, he may even be Spektormax

[cinephilia]

no, it's me.

[MadIrish]

No one cares about Azazel we are talking about PTP as a site.

Your Garbage about Azazel is

irrelevant. Attacking the OP leads to nowhere and doesn't change the fact that PTP staff are still protecting a pedophile.

*T0x be sure to answer my question in my last post, I am dying to hear the answer.

I tend to agree with you about the OP, I think his intention in including those links was clear enough and going on about that is a bit of a white elephant really.

However, I also think you, and some others, are going overboard here with linking PTP, as a site with x thousand members and probably more than a dozen staff (don't know or care, I have an account there but its hardly used and I'm not fussed about the place) to the actions of one individual. Which, despite all the prevarication, is what we're really talking about here.

Only the other couple of people involved on the voice side of the Skype convo actually know the whole context within which these images were linked from 4chan/wherever. Personally I don't find the explanation posted a couple of pages ago all that convincing, however I also don't find the idea of genuine pedophiles sharing their links during an unsecure group conversation any more convincing either. At best this individual is a pure idiot, at worst he's a complete scumbag, however its not really that suprising that his erstwhile friends and colleagues, who did know the full context and possibly know the individual personally, did not react at the time with the same outrage that everyone else informed of the partial story has

Nor is it all that surprising that some PTP members/staffers have kicked back against the OP of this thread, as he obviously does have some form of axe to grind against that site, evidenced even by the title of this thread. If one's concern is entirely to bring a potential pedophile to the attention of authorities etc, rather than making it about an entire internet site and its whole staff, then there are sgnificantly better ways to go about it than have been taken. Imo of course. The route that has been followed has allowed in many ways this discussion to become distracted and pushed those with potentially the most information etc into defending their site rather than looking at what is really important in this situation - whether someone is deliberately spreading illegal and disgusting material.

Just my 2 cents.

[Tv Controls you]

However, I also think you, and some others, are going overboard here with linking PTP, as a site with x thousand members and probably more than a dozen staff (don't know or care, I have an account there but its hardly used and I'm not fussed about the place) to the actions of one individual. Which, despite all the prevarication, is what we're really talking about here.

As I stated before, A founder directly reflects upon his assets.

If Steve Jobs was found to be a pedophile, apple supporters would start to drop.
Same Situation (of course less assets) The founder of a tracker is a representative for the whole tracker. (his inactivity is irrelevant, if even true)

[cinephilia]

If Steve Jobs was found to be a pedophile, apple support would drop.
but it wouldn't be fair. thousands people work for or thanks to apple. it's not like apple was just one man.

[kavselj]

i think both OP and the said person should be reported to FBI.
Hopefully they'll get 5 year of prison, an insulting publicity by local newspaper (or at least the torrentfreak), and both their life will be doomed forever....

and i think whoever said "fap to childpron" few pages back needs to be put on mental hospital, where they'll shock him every other second.
Oh yes. I would love to be put ON a mental hospital. Preferably one that overlooks a kindergarten so I can fap on the roof and enjoy the magnificent view at the same time :w00t::naughty:

[Tv Controls you]

but it wouldn't be fair. thousands people work for or thanks to apple. it's not like apple was just one man.

Apple employs illegal workers that are under legal age to work, but that is another conversation lol.....

My point is a founder is a representative for the smaller people of a company/tracker/club/organization etc.

[DWCreeper167]

Goddamnit. I told myself and everyone else that I would less this rest and not keep posting but seriously t0xik? Get your fucking facts straight.

I have NEVER been demoted from ANYWHERE. I've quit PTP twice and if you search the logs on the site you will see this "Azazel: class changed from Assistant Director to Legend by Azazel"

That is FACT and I dare any PTP staffer to come here and try to say otherwise. Same as on BTN, I quit there and PTP because I didn't like the way things were going and to repeat myself I have NEVER been forced out or demoted on ANYWHERE.

t0xic, you know damn well what IRC networks I am on right now and I'm beyond pissed that instead of speaking to me and asking me why I began this thread and others that you come on here at DAQ's request to trash my name.

Honestly I dare anyone to show me and the readers in this thread that I was demoted and didn't quit on my own terms or that other than PTP staffs inaction and nonchalant attitude that I have any grudge against PTP. This is just further proof of how PTP staff and others are trying to slander my name rather than deal with the facts in this thread.

Also, I mentioned the previous 4chan links, read my first post! It amazes me how some of you are twisting things and perverting the truth to try and play this down and cover up the facts.

FACTS:
Spektormax posted child porn links in a skype convo between PTP staff that were working on RC2. He even said in his BS statement that he had been working with Z for days regarding the conversion.

Spektormax was only banned AFTER all of this came to light and if this hadn't been made public, NOTHING would have been done. It takes less than a minute to ban accounts and the same amount of time to change server PW’s.

Spektormax has came on here with some bullshit lie about confirming links that Z told him about. Both PTP sysops deny this and it's in complete opposition than their previous statements.

PTP sysops present have stated this admitting that it was child porn and both admit that they did nothing AND that they carried on speaking and working with the pedophile afterwards.

PTP staff including NNNNNN and 312c have made it clear that in their opinion this pedophile has done nothing wrong according to the law and nothing wrong morally.

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Think what you want about me or my reasons behind this but I couldn't give 2 shits at this point. I've made this thread and others all with FACTS backing up my statements and statements of PTP staff in this thread and other places have only confirmed what I've already stated about what happened and their attitude.

A few people have done a great deal of work getting his personal info and I and another person has passed it along to every authority possible. I personally won't be releasing his info in this thread because then I could potentially be charged with a crime for doing so.

Someone will however.....I'm sure of it.

This entire thread has been about 1 thing. A PTP staffer posting child porn and other PTP staffers not caring and trying to cover it up. If my sole purpose was the hurt PTP alone then I would bring up more things which I hope I won't need to.

Leave me the fuck out of it. Ironic me asking for this considering I started this shit but I don't want my name to be an excuse on why we aren't talking about the true subject of this and the people involved.

[Tv Controls you]

Dwcreeper edit it immediately....

We can't have this link to Bit torrent!! This is going to backfire on the BT community.

Holy shit man what are you doing???? If authorities get a hold of him, they will link him directly to PTP.

[kavselj]

On a second note. PTP should totally die.

[Quarterquack]

Kav, you're a hero troll-gone-serious. :lol:

[MadIrish]

As I stated before, A founder directly reflects upon his assets.

If Steve Jobs was found to be a pedophile, apple stock would drop.
Same Situation (of course less assets) but the founder of a tracker is a representative for the whole tracker. (his inactivity is irrelevant, if even true)

I suppose he does in a way, although I'm not sure that's entirely fair. That reflection is one of implied association, not of actual structural attachment. The links to PTP are simply that he was a founder, and that he was involved in a conversation with a couple of other PTP staff when this occurred. That is it. However I've read suggestions in this thread that PTP is a front for CP distribution, that its current staff are involved etc etc etc. That in my mind is taking it far too far, not because I give a damn about that site, but because its just silly and as I said, distracts from the actual issue at stake.

To use your analogy, if Steve Jobs was accused of distributing illegal material, Apple's stock would drop undoubtedly. Briefly at least. However, would that mean that Apple's other senior executives were also distributing the same stuff, and that their whole company was actually a front for producing CP? Would it hell. Would that mean that some of his friends on the board, who'd known him years, might struggle to believe the allegations, or mightn't try to find some justification or excuse for them above and beyond how joe-public might? I bet it would.

And what if he was investigated and was found to have been innocent, unaware, unintentionally or accidentally involved? Because the initial accusations weren't aware if the entire context, circumstances or events? Would the smear on his name, and his company's, be entirely removed in the public's mind?

As I said, I'm not trying to defend PTP per-see, I just think it would do some people some favours not to be so entirely judgemental and not to draw such wide conclusions from what appears to be a very isolated incident ultimately involving just one person.

[kavselj]

I'll just leave this here

:rolleyes: (http://pastebin.com/ddWTSv24)

[Tv Controls you]

DWcreeper you may have just got yourself caught up in a serious situation....

As well you have endangered countless legitimate members at PTP.

[kavselj]

He does have certain traits of a pedophile, don't you all agree? :shutup:

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v222/580/2/n1228350441_1104.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/maxspektor)

[Tv Controls you]

This has definitely gotten out of hand, to many people have saw the information.

[DWCreeper167]

My post has been edited...

[kavselj]

Mine wasn't :happy: (http://pastebin.com/ddWTSv24)

[Tv Controls you]

My post has been edited...

There is 50 people viewing the thread nearly.....
I am not the only one who saw it.

[MadIrish]

This has definitely gotten out of hand, to many people have saw the information.

Way out of hand, and its been heading that way for some time.

As if a bittorrent forum on a file sharing discussion site is even remotely the right place for this to have been playing out in the first place. :noes:

[cinephilia]

He does have certain traits of a pedophile, don't you all agree? :shutup:
since when pedophiles have inherent traits?

[Tv Controls you]

Way out of hand, and its been heading that way for some time.

As if a bittorrent forum on a file sharing discussion site is even remotely the right place for this to have been playing out in the first place

No you must have missed it...

He posted a full detailed account about spektormax.
It has address, license number, street address, full name, facebook, phone number

DWcreeper what are you thinking???? Do you really think authorities will only look into his child pornography problem? They will also look at his illegal downloads, and easily find out that he created a Private tracker.

[kavselj]

He does have certain traits of a pedophile, don't you all agree? :shutup:
since when pedophiles have inherent traits?
Well I don't know, but if you look at his face... It has that clear "pedo smile". Like, right after hes done fapping to the pictures and he puts on the satisfactory smile saying "Hell yeah, another one bites the dust." :sick:

[DWCreeper167]

I posted no such thing.....no idea what you are talking about :)

[kavselj]

Hooray, lets all play the "I did no such thing" game \o/ I bet 10 dollars that Spektormax didn't even post any of that and Azazel simply photoshopped the pictures. The plot thickens and you just lost some more of your precious credibility.

[t0x]

So you think it is normal to post an lolpicture after someone posts some hard core child pornography?

I wouldn't say it's normal, no. However, we don't know the circumstances of when the person who linked that 4chan picture clicked the previous cp pictures. Now, correct me if I'm wrong... but Jeremy (referring to his Skype name) or z/jerrcs on PTP, said in his IRC convo to Azazel that [and I quote] "I didn't click them." Which makes me think he didn't even know what those pictures were when he linked that 4chan picture. The On A Soapbox blog still has the images up, so feel free to look at them to double check, but I don't believe he knew those were child porn pictures when he linked the 4chan image.


Wrong here. As anyone would, he wants to be seen as a non-pedophile. And, he also wants this discussion to end before he gets investigated.

Again, I don't see how he could be tracked down via an internet handle. But as I've stated before, it's not my area of expertise, so I'm not sure about anything to do with the legality of the issue. I'm positive if any PTP staff had information that would be relevant to the criminal investigation of a pedophile, they would turn that over. But until the police contact * and ask for information on * they shouldn't be smeared into handing out a former founder/staff members details, simply to please a bunch of people on a forum thread. That's utterly ridiculous.


This is rather at odds with your claim that you have no interest in the site. You obviously are much closer than most members PTP to actual staff at PTP or you are a member of staff.

I'm "e-friends" with several members of PTP. And no, I'm not staff. And I never said I had no interest in the site. It's an amazing site, with smart, friendly, dedicated people who help run it for the users of the site. I'm simply pointing out the inaccuracies in statements and the obvious motives behind some of them. I could care less what happens to Spek, honestly. I've never known the guy and I don't care too. But the other members of staff that you people are here accusing of protecting a pedophile are people who don't deserve that. So yes, I will stand up to that. You're putting pressure on a situation that grew from a mole hill into a mountain, over a very badly handled grudge-holding former-staff member.


The question PTP staff have to ask themselves is - how do they feel about explaining to the cops, their familys, girlfriends, boyfriends that they knew someone who had an interest in child porn and did nothing.

If/when they are put in that situation, I'm sure each one would handle it differently. If the cops interject and demand information from them, I'm sure they'd gladly hand that information over. However, slandering the site isn't going to help anyone, with anything. It's not going to force the admins/mods to release any information, it's not going to do anything but punish them for not dropping, someone who might not even be a pedophiles, dox online. Which is a criminal matter, mind you. So you're basically asking them to drop someones personal information, which IS a crime, for something that might not even be a crime? Someone please tell me what I missed there... :pinch:


I got the same feeling while typing with him, he may even be Spektormax

I'm a woman. So, clearly not SpekTorMax. I'm sure a few of you are on private sites with me... I just simply used a shortened version of my nickname on here. Some people can figure it out if they speak to me regularly.


t0xic, you know damn well what IRC networks I am on right now and I'm beyond pissed that instead of speaking to me and asking me why I began this thread and others that you come on here at DAQ's request to trash my name.

I don't need to speak with you over the issue. You said everything you were gonna say in this thread, and the others you made. I'm not trying to smear your name, or anyone elses for that matter. I'm simply trying to get people to see that PTP has no involvement in this. Because it was a private conversation, had this happened in the PTP irc, or in their forums, then it would be a different story. The fact is this happened on a Skype call, and had it been an "official" PTP staff meeting or something like that, I'm sure you wouldn't have been invited. Simply because you were no longer staff at that point, and neither was SpekTorMax. You were there as a friend, and I'm assuming they didn't ask you to join in to help them code/brainstorm and get the site ready for RC2. You really have no idea what was said between them before, during, and after those links were posted. You're simply guessing based in the info you have, just like everyone else in this thread. The only people that know what happened, how it happened, and what was said/done about the issue are the people who could hear it on the call. I was also not asked by anyone to come on here. I noticed the link in one of my channel's and decided to read it. I created my first and only account here to state my opinion, just like everyone else is doing here.


Spektormax was only banned AFTER all of this came to light and if this hadn't been made public, NOTHING would have been done. It takes less than a minute to ban accounts and the same amount of time to change server PW’s. And former founders can be banned by regular staff members? Such as mods/admins? I kinda highly doubt that. Server passwords are more than likely restricted to a select few people so it would make sense that it takes a few days to get those people on there (especially with pham and DAQ being gone lately) But I don't know how their system is setup, I'm simply making an educated guess on the situation.


A few people have done a great deal of work getting his personal info and I and another person has passed it along to every authority possible. I personally won't be releasing his info in this thread because then I could potentially be charged with a crime for doing so.

That's a good move if you seriously think he's a pedophile and dangerous to anyone. You know him better than I do, at this point. Also good move on not releasing his information to the masses, because that would get you in criminal trouble.

But since you're on here now, maybe you can explain why you took screenshots of the Skype conversation and IRC private messages if you didn't plan on starting some type of anti-PTP campaign? No one else seems to want to answer my questions... :(

[Quarterquack]

Azazel, I really don't understand you. You said you weren't doing it, you know the privacy laws. You said that you already gave it to the right authorities. And then you hand out his personal information in a casual "someone gave it to me, I don't know if it's true" attitude.

I hope you know what's coming to you, as we all know what goes around comes around in this upside down BT world.

EDIT: "Unknown paste ID, it may have expired or been deleted!" Good for you, ever think that by any chance, since our dear friend Max is only 20 years old that some rapist might show up to his doorstep soon? Or that phone number will get plastered over craigslist as a sex line, tonight? Did you even think through all of the things that can go wrong, when you did this to him, or where you out for a personal vendetta to harm him in anyway possible, then make yourself look honest?

If Max is a pedophile, then you're a scumbag for knowingly trying to harm him, in more ways than one.

[Tv Controls you]

This is out of our hands now....

This could escalate to any level in the hands of random people, and may make its way to the authorities.
If so what actions they take are unknown, but if they do follow up on him... They will find his association with PTP.

I'm getting my friends out of PTP within the week, as it may not be a safe site in a couple of months.

[cinephilia]

since when pedophiles have inherent traits?
Well I don't know, but if you look at his face... It has that clear "pedo smile". Like, right after hes done fapping to the pictures and he puts on the satisfactory smile saying "Hell yeah, another one bites the dust." :sick:
this kind of reasoning has sent innocents to jail.

ps: he miss big glasses :shutup:

[kavselj]

Well I don't know, but if you look at his face... It has that clear "pedo smile". Like, right after hes done fapping to the pictures and he puts on the satisfactory smile saying "Hell yeah, another one bites the dust." :sick:
this kind of reasoning has sent innocents to jail.

ps: he miss big glasses :shutup:
You're right. Considering that picture is supposedly SpektorMax's (thanks Azazel for providing it) I don't think anyone is gonna be bothered if he goes to jail :noes:

[MadIrish]

Way out of hand, and its been heading that way for some time.

As if a bittorrent forum on a file sharing discussion site is even remotely the right place for this to have been playing out in the first place

No you must have missed it...

He posted a full detailed account about spektormax.
It has address, license number, street address, full name, facebook, phone number

Yup. I caught that mate. As I said, WAY out of hand, but imo the way this discussion has been going I'm really not surprised something like this happened, it'd hardly be the first time in a BT-drama someone's info has been leaked. In fact, considering how petty the motives usually are, and the way people have been discussing this one, I'm just surprised its taken so long.

Really this whole thing is a lesson in how not to deal with stuff on t'internets, and very few people are going to come out of it looking at all good. PTP, the OP & co, and obviously this Spektormax person.

Its the regular, uninvolved users of PTP I feel sorry for now. And the kids in those pics obviously.

[DWCreeper167]

Because PTP staff are responsible and involve the site when they turn a blind eye and do nothing about it.PTP sysops have already admitted that the links were child porn and even though he posted it and they were supposidly disgusted by it, they kept chatting with him and even got him to join another tracker IRC I was on to "calm" the situation.

Being a woman I would think you would understand more than anyone. If someone posted child porn links in your presence, how would you act regardless of who they are? Would you continue talking to them and working with them? Would you not ban them from your site if you could?

I think you are a bit confused about PTP staff atm. z and exo were not mods/admins. They were sysops with complete control over the site and server including box access and everything else. With a few key strokes they could make PTP dissapear forever so don't think for a second they didn't have the power to get rid of him then and there.

On gazelle, anyone with the permissions tool can basically do anything on the site which both sysops had. Hell, they could have completely deleted the entire Founder userclass if they chose to do so but didn't.

That is why I made this public because not doing so would not have gotten anything done at all. A sites actions and inactions regarding such matters effect EVERYONE on that site.

Ask any self respecting owner of a tracker what they would do in a similar situation and I guarantee you that would take immediate action, not ignore it.

[Tv Controls you]

Because PTP staff are responsible and involve the site when they turn a blind eye and do nothing about it.PTP sysops have already admitted that the links were child porn and even though he posted it and they were supposidly disgusted by it, they kept chatting with him and even got him to join another tracker IRC I was on to "calm" the situation.

Being a woman I would think you would understand more than anyone. If someone posted child porn links in your presence, how would you act regardless of who they are? Would you continue talking to them and working with them? Would you not ban them from your site if you could?

I think you are a bit confused about PTP staff atm. z and exo were not mods/admins. They were sysops with complete control over the site and server including box access and everything else. With a few key strokes they could make PTP dissapear forever so don't think for a second they didn't have the power to get rid of him then and there.

On gazelle, anyone with the permissions tool can basically do anything on the site which both sysops had. Hell, they could have completely deleted the entire Founder userclass if they chose to do so but didn't.

That is why I made this public because not doing so would not have gotten anything done at all. A sites actions and inactions regarding such matters effect EVERYONE on that site.

Ask any self respecting owner of a tracker what they would do in a similar situation and I guarantee you that would take immediate action, not ignore it.

We need spektormax to come back and make him get rid of any evidence of PTP he has.
God only knows what information he has stored at his current location about PTP.

This is beyond child porn now.... You have potentially endangered thousands of bittorrent users.

[Quarterquack]

And that all justifies you posting a link leading to his personal information? Getting the information out there to get the staffers to take action is one thing.

Posting his personal information is more sinister. You knew exactly what you were doing all along, and as I mentioned before, I hope you get what's coming to you, because you can be sure Max won't stand around and watch you post his personal information out there passively.

[Tv Controls you]

If this does escalate legally you better hope you didn't create that information page dwcreeper, that's all I'm going to say.

I am not a member of the site fortunately, but I have texted both of my friends who are members there to resign from the site. I don't believe its safe anymore... Way to much information has been leaked and too many shady actions have been executed in the past week.

[optimist]

Again, I don't see how he could be tracked down via an internet handle. But as I've stated before, it's not my area of expertise, so I'm not sure about anything to do with the legality of the issue. I'm positive if any PTP staff had information that would be relevant to the criminal investigation of a pedophile, they would turn that over. But until the police contact * and ask for information on * they shouldn't be smeared into handing out a former founder/staff members details, simply to please a bunch of people on a forum thread. That's utterly ridiculous..

It doesnt matter how you see he could be tracked down. That's for the police.

There's nothing slanderous about noting that PTP (and you) are quite happy to do nothing about this incident; as banning him from the site really counts for absolutely nothing.

They clearly DO have information about pedo behaviour, which imo they should hand over. Not because of anything I say (or anything on this thread), but because its the RIGHT THING TO DO!


If/when they are put in that situation, I'm sure each one would handle it differently. If the cops interject and demand information from them, I'm sure they'd gladly hand that information over. However, slandering the site isn't going to help anyone, with anything. It's not going to force the admins/mods to release any information, it's not going to do anything but punish them for not dropping, someone who might not even be a pedophiles, dox online. Which is a criminal matter, mind you. So you're basically asking them to drop someones personal information, which IS a crime, for something that might not even be a crime? Someone please tell me what I missed there... :pinch:

Yes, you are missing rather a lot!

It really ISNT a crime to talk to the police! You are allowed to give them any information about anyone involved in any alleged criminal activity. This should be extremely obvious to most people. The police shouldnt have to demand info about this incident, it should be reported and investigated.

Of course I agree he "might not be a pedophile", but the point is that there is a good chance that he IS and you'd prefer to ignore that possibility!

Cant you realise that people who merely feel that they "cant condone" sharing child porn are part of the reason why pedos are allowed to get away with abusing children. You should have zero tolerance, no matter how small the offence might seem to you, and put the welfare of kids way before downloading films from the internet.

[megabyteme]

You deserve a WHOLE LOTTA KARMA, creep!

[arpit60]

thanks backie for exposing those perverts !

[brento]

This is beyond child porn now.... You have potentially endangered thousands of bittorrent users.

typical paranoid BT kid

[Tv Controls you]

thanks backie for exposing those perverts !

He is going to get sued out the ass if this makes it to court.

[puckface]

about PTP.

This is beyond child porn now.... You have potentially endangered thousands of bittorrent users.

funniest thing I have read all week.

You suggest that "thousands of bittorrent users">child porn

idiot

[Tv Controls you]

You suggest that "thousands of bittorrent users">child porn

I think the safety of our filesharing protocol (bittorrent in this case) and the privacy of its users is our first concern in this situation.

[puckface]

You suggest that "thousands of bittorrent users">child porn

I think the safety of our filesharing protocol (bittorrent in this case) and the privacy of its users is our first concern in any situation.

and I think youre a jackass.

[Tv Controls you]

and I think youre a jackass.

Do you really think the authorities will handle this right?

Your a jackass if you think they won't take his computer and search every little bit of data he has send, received, and has stored.
He may have a database of users he backed up from a while ago... No one knows.

And if this does end up with a large penalty for Spektormax, you better bet your life he will rat out every single BT user to lessen his punishment.

Once again, I think the possibility of this getting that large is slim because the authorities rarely do shit anymore.
Although the small possibility of this shooting back at bittorrent is enough for me to say... no, we shouldn't release his information (or let me put that in the past tense, Shouldn't have released)

[cinephilia]

lol, you take your role too seriously.

[pro267]

thanks backie for exposing those perverts !
Everyone say hi to backie..


backie is right tps sucks now a days !
Found another one ^^. Could you try to be less obvious when publicizing your crappy blog?

[DWCreeper167]

I personally like his blog.
http://onasoapbox.co.uk/

[t0x]

Wow. For once me and Tv Controls You agree on something. Making that information public was a fucking retarded move. Not to mention endangering thousands of BT users, it's also ILLEGAL to do that online.

I might not know much about child porn laws, but when it comes to dropping personal information on someone with the intention to cause harm, it's illegal. I hope Max has your info, Azazel. Just so he can sue you when this is all over. I understand giving the information to the proper authorities if that's what you wanted to do, but dropping it online and publicly just so people can become your "personal army" against SpekTorMax/pedophiles? That's low, and you know it.

[DWCreeper167]

Yes, let the pedophile sue me. I hope he wins.

"Pedophile sues torrentor for exposing his personal details that can be found via google"

[Tv Controls you]

Azazel will most likely not get into trouble if he didn't create the pastebin web page with all the information.

Although backie is publicly disclosing his information without spektormax's consent.
Lol backie even has an about me with more than enough information to locate.

DWcreeper their is no real justice with the law systems set up at hand. Their is more evidence of you exposing his personal details, than evidence of him posting child porn links

@t0x the only reason I care for his personal information being distributed is the chance that it would endanger BT users.
I care not for the legalities of his actions, as lets not forget what we do on a regular basis around here. We are pirates...
I view his actions on a moral standpoint, in which I find it disgusting and wrong.

If you think you have gained a PTP staff supporter you are wrong.
Azazel, PTP, Spektormax, and Backie are all in the wrong on this situation.

[mrnobody]

so who released his private info? that was stupid thing to do. whoever it was should be banned asap imo.

[ca_aok]

It was obviously Azazel on his silly self-righteous quest for vengeance in which he himself distributed child porn (to a much larger audience might I add).

You sir are a moron, and deserve whatever you get just as much as spectormax does. The proper thing to do would have been to submit that information to the authorities rather than DOXing him, which is what silly little teenagers on power trips tend to do.

[cinephilia]

It was obviously Azazel on his silly self-righteous quest for vengeance in which he himself distributed child porn (to a much larger audience might I add).

You sir are a moron, and deserve whatever you get just as much as spectormax does. The proper thing to do would have been to submit that information to the authorities rather than DOXing him, which is what silly little teenagers on power trips tend to do.
what he said.

[glados]

why is everyone pissed about a pedophile's info being made public?
who cares, he's a fucking pedo... he'll eventually be arrested.

PassThePopcron WILL be investigated. Despite their actions, I still have hope in PTP sysops to do the right thing in order to protect their members.

This has become far more serious, members of PTP are endangered, and I think PTP only has one obvious solution to protect their members. I hope PTP staff are not cowards to do the right thing; delete all members' database immediately and shut down the site, before it's taken for evidence by authorities.

PassThePopcorn is extremely unsafe at the moment.

[ca_aok]

why is everyone pissed about a pedophile's info being made public?
who cares, he's a fucking pedo... he'll eventually be arrested.
Morality is a two way street, and in any case whoever dropped his info endangered PTP far more than any of this. People who push for the harshest punishments available when they have no power to implement those punishments themselves generally have terrible opinions. Perfect example are the staff on new sites trying to be "1337" by pushing for a global ban that they don't have the connections to implement, but it works fine for this situation as well.


PassThePopcron WILL be investigated. Despite their actions, I still have hope in PTP sysops to do the right thing in order to protect their members.
You have no proof of this. Is it likely? Sure. But you have no proof to conclusively say that the site would be taken down over this, especially since apparently instead of contacting the authorities they just gave the guy's info to some kiddie with prespam powers.


This has become far more serious, members of PTP are endangered, and I think PTP only has one obvious solution to protect their members. I hope PTP staff are not cowards to do the right thing; delete all members' database immediately and shut down the site, before it's taken for evidence by authorities.

PassThePopcorn is extremely unsafe at the moment.
Once again, you have no conclusive evidence towards this.

PTP hasn't been "safe" since they managed to have their database stolen publicly while people were watching the server hack via VNC. I'm not sure how you trusted them after that fiasco and don't trust them now.

And the accusations that an entire torrent site was built as a front for four people to trade cp links that could have easily been done via some other method are ridiculous, to say the least.

[cinephilia]

who cares, he's a fucking pedo... he'll eventually be arrested.
it's not as simple as that. pedophilia is more of a mental disorder than a deliberate intention to hurt.

anyway.

[TONiC]

Hate to be a liberal fag but it's as much a mental disorder as is homosexuality or heterosexuality. It's a persons sexual preference. It's only that this preference concentrates on those who are not yet 18.

[mrnobody]

Hate to be a liberal fag but it's as much a metal disorder as is homosexuality or heterosexuality. It's a persons sexual preference. It's only that this preference concentrates on those who are not yet 18.

go to hospital dude, seriously.

[Slickerey]

The proper thing to do would have been to submit that information to the authorities rather than DOXing him, which is what silly little teenagers on power trips tend to do.

So Serb and MelvinMeow are teenagers? :unsure:

[Tv Controls you]

why is everyone pissed about a pedophile's info being made public?

You have answered your own question...


PassThePopcron WILL be investigated. Despite their actions, I still have hope in PTP sysops to do the right thing in order to protect their members.

If his information was never spread PTP would have never of had the possibility of being investigated. (at least pertaining to this scenario)

[wowjustwow]

Azazel: You are an idiot. You helped run an illegal bittorrent site and max has proof of that, yet you lead the police right to him. I hope you know he's probably going to rat you out. You should probably be wiping hard drives right about now little buddy.

[Slickerey]

why is everyone pissed about a pedophile's info being made public?

You have answered your own question...
:lol:


PassThePopcron WILL be investigated. Despite their actions, I still have hope in PTP sysops to do the right thing in order to protect their members.

Azazel: You are an idiot. You helped run an illegal bittorrent site and max has proof of that, yet you lead the police right to him. I hope you know he's probably going to rat you out. You should probably be wiping hard drives right about now little buddy.
:naughty:

Let's see what happens to PTP throughout the year.

[ExtraDry]

Azazel helping young innocent children from pedophiles,In my book he is a Hero.
No you young kid should have their spirit take away from scumbags pedophiles,put in the same circumstance I would have put the prick in to police for sure.

[cinephilia]

Azazel helping young innocent children from pedophiles,In my book he is a Hero.
objective completed.

well done Azazel :yup:

[Tv Controls you]

Azazel helping young innocent children from pedophiles,In my book he is a Hero.

He helped young innocent children, but endangered bittorrent.

He is no hero, this could have been handled much more professionally if he really wanted this to go to the "authorities".
He brought the Bittorrent community into this issue, and now this whole scenario wreaks of bittorrent users.

If you want to get authorities involved... Don't involve bittorrent.

[glados]

You have answered your own question...


PassThePopcron WILL be investigated. Despite their actions, I still have hope in PTP sysops to do the right thing in order to protect their members.

If his information was never spread PTP would have never of had the possibility of being investigated. (at least pertaining to this scenario)PassThePopcorn will still be investigated whether Spektormax's info was made public or not (assuming he's reported and arrested)... child porn is a serious felony and they will investigate further into Spektormax's past internet activity which clearly involves PTP...

PassThePocorn was involved in this situation the second child porn was being shared among PTP staff; not when spektormax's info was made public.

The reactions of PTP staff (defending Spektormax) makes them appear as thought they are pedophiles themselves, watching out for their own kind.

[Tv Controls you]

Convictions for possessing child pornography also usually include prison sentences, but those sentences are often converted to probation for first-time offenders.

-National and international law regarding child pornography


The legal penalties for copyright infringement are:

1. Infringer pays the actual dollar amount of damages and profits.
2. The law provides a range from $200 to $150,000 for each work infringed.
3. Infringer pays for all attorneys fees and court costs.
4. The Court can issue an injunction to stop the infringing acts.
5. The Court can impound the illegal works.
6. The infringer can go to jail.

-purdue.edu

Tell me once again that this was worth it to report to the authorities?

If this makes it far he may get probation if that, and then they will attack him fully on the bittorrent field.

[ExtraDry]

Azazel helping young innocent children from pedophiles,In my book he is a Hero.

He helped young innocent children, but endangered bittorrent.

He is no hero, this could have been handled much more professionally if he really wanted this to go to the "authorities".
He brought the Bittorrent community into this issue, and now this whole scenario wreaks of bittorrent users.

If you want to get authorities involved... Don't involve bittorrent.

Let me say this, if there is a pedophile in a community where I live I'd want to know about keeping kids safe,this has to be the No1 priority.Someone leaks his info and the community took matters into their own hands and he was shot dead I wouldn't be shedding a tear

[ca_aok]

Let me say this, if there is a pedophile in a community where I live I'd want to know about keeping kids safe,this has to be the No1 priority.Someone leaks his info and the community took matters into their own hands and he was shot dead I wouldn't be shedding a tear
So someone posting a pedo link is bad, but murdering someone in cold blood is ok? You people have some seriously fucked up moral codes. Thankfully the world isn't run by the population of FST (though I must admit it'd be hilarious as to watch as a TV show :D).

[Tv Controls you]

Let me say this, if there is a pedophile in a community where I live I'd want to know about keeping kids safe,this has to be the No1 priority.Someone leaks his info and the community took matters into their own hands and he was shot dead I wouldn't be shedding a tear

Trust me when I tell you this guy will not be put in jail for child pornography, your trust in the authorities is truly disturbing.

You watch to much Tv, and I can understand you have been brainwashed by the bullshit they display for you.
Their is zero proof he tried to distribute the pictures now, as they have all 404ed (been deleted), and there is no way to prove that was him the skype chat.

[Sandvich]

Let me say this, if there is a pedophile in a community where I live I'd want to know about keeping kids safe,this has to be the No1 priority.Someone leaks his info and the community took matters into their own hands and he was shot dead I wouldn't be shedding a tear
So someone posting a pedo link is bad, but murdering someone in cold blood is ok? You people have some seriously fucked up moral codes. Thankfully the world isn't run by the population of FST (though I must admit it'd be hilarious as to watch as a TV show :D).

Nah, what's worst is that you're defending a pedophile

[Slickerey]

Let me say this, if there is a pedophile in a community where I live I'd want to know about keeping kids safe,this has to be the No1 priority.Someone leaks his info and the community took matters into their own hands and he was shot dead I wouldn't be shedding a tear

:yup:

I wish I lived in his neighborhood so I could see all the action. :lol:

[DWCreeper167]

This is a comment directly from Z who was in the skype call and is sysop of PTP. This has been taken straight from Backies blog and as can be clearly seen, he as the head and representative of PTP is standing up for his pedophile friend.

"zzz says:
April 4, 2010 at 4:09 pm

First off, you didn’t obtain this from his facebook.

Second off, “backie” didn’t get this info. Pretty sure it was posted by Azazel on the forum, and was deleted promptly because it’s technically his dox, and illegal to publish due to the rise in identity theft these days.

And last, this has gone way too far. He doesn’t even like this stuff. The comments above me are not only ignorant and childish, but it shows to me that you don’t know what’s really going on.

You all need to leave him alone. I feel sorry for spek for having to deal with all of this harassment. He’s not a sick pedophile. He simply linked images that were questionable. He didn’t know someone was going to try to blackmail us over it. He did 3 copy/pastes without thinking, and now he’s being harassed and called a “sick fuck”. Why don’t you call the sick fuck the one who actually made the image and thought it would be funny to upload to the site. Or why don’t you call Azazel the sick fuck. Azazel is the one who posted them on every known forum out there, where more people could see than known."

Are people really angry/upset that a pedophiles info has been made public, seriously? This isn't some cheater, trader, hacker or anything else like that. This is someone who is obviously into child porn!

This is hardly any different than what is available for registered sex offenders on the registry online.

All information on Pedomax can be gotten by googling.

This is a statement to anyone who looks at child porn or is anyway involved with such disgusting acts. Your actions will NOT go unpunished. All of us here may be pirates but we still have our morals and will not stand for these type of people. If you think the worst thing that can happen to you is the loss of a few friends, you're very wrong. You will be named, shamed and put to blame.

Others may disagree with my tactics up untill this point but I'd hope the majority would agree with me in the end. Anyone whether you be a pirate or not will be held accountable for their actions regarding child porn. We may be law breakers by nature but there is a line that we will not cross.

[Quarterquack]

Moral integrity among pirates, who might as well turn around and do the same when nobody's looking? Don't be naive.

[Six66Mike]

PTP hasn't been "safe" since they managed to have their database stolen publicly while people were watching the server hack via VNC. I'm not sure how you trusted them after that fiasco and don't trust them now.

lol it's about time someone mentioned this since it's been entirely swept under the rug from the moment it happened. How safe is a site when a sysop allows users to remote to his PC with Teamviewer and see server login details just sitting there?

Plus the spotlight was on PTP long ago, remember the USA Today article?

This attention shouldn't impact PTP in any way, though it's stupidly obvious current staff should be looking at active backups & hosting to move the site, lowering DNS TTL's etc so they can be easily & quickly back up if anything does happen.


Azazel helping young innocent children from pedophiles,In my book he is a Hero.
No you young kid should have their spirit take away from scumbags pedophiles,put in the same circumstance I would have put the prick in to police for sure.

Ummm by initially posting the links to the porn on multiple sites, he did far more damage than Max did.

Simple question: Has anyone reported either of these people to the authorities yet?



"zzz says:

Second off, “backie” didn’t get this info. Pretty sure it was posted by Azazel on the forum, and was deleted promptly because it’s technically his dox, and illegal to publish due to the rise in identity theft these days.

LOL so here we are defending the privacy and legality of sharing this guys information, but no single thought to the child porn that was provided by the same person?

Fuck his privacy, pure & simple. He commited a felony act & you are defending him by not reporting him to the cops. Now that his information is public, I will do it for you.


And last, this has gone way too far. He doesn’t even like this stuff. The comments above me are not only ignorant and childish, but it shows to me that you don’t know what’s really going on.

I'll let the authorities decide what he does & doesn't like.


You all need to leave him alone. I feel sorry for spek for having to deal with all of this harassment. He’s not a sick pedophile. He simply linked images that were questionable. He didn’t know someone was going to try to blackmail us over it. He did 3 copy/pastes without thinking, and now he’s being harassed and called a “sick fuck”. Why don’t you call the sick fuck the one who actually made the image and thought it would be funny to upload to the site. Or why don’t you call Azazel the sick fuck. Azazel is the one who posted them on every known forum out there, where more people could see than known."

If you provide me Azazel's information I will happily report him in the same instance as Max. I've said time & time again Azazel's post including the links on multiple sites is worse than what Max did, but your comments here prove how much of a fucking cunt you are. You are continually defending him & feeling bad for him. Fuck you. Questionable images? Dude he fucking linked child porn, and again, and again. And nobody had the balls to report it. You're just as worthless as he is.

[Maxibull]

oh the drama

[A]

oh the drama
Best comment so far :frusty:.
If you dont care,why do you even post? It maybe drama for you but it isint for people involved in this shit.And making lame comments like those dosent make you "cool":dry:

[DWCreeper167]

Six66Mike, I've already explained countless times since the very start that the links had been reported and removed BEFORE I posted the first pic of the Skype call but if you want to crucify me and paint me with the same brush as Pedomax, go for it.

Pedomax has already had his details passed over to the authorities but more phone calls and reports obviously couldn't hurt.

[Six66Mike]

Cool then I don't need to do anything but I suppose wait for my PTP account to be disabled for calling jerrcs a cunt etc :D

[kavselj]

Hate to be a liberal fag but it's as much a metal disorder as is homosexuality or heterosexuality. It's a persons sexual preference. It's only that this preference concentrates on those who are not yet 18.

go to hospital dude, seriously.
So speaking the truth and stating the facts means you need to go to a hospital? Who knew :wacko::wacko:

[lolyou]

I'm concerned at how out of hand this situation got. I signed up to say this.

It is absolutely ridiculous to relate the two subjects that are discussed in this topic together. That's just asking for a shit load of trouble. Seriously, why the fuck couldn't this be handled elsewhere? Jesus Christ, you post on a bittorrent site about this situation? Because it relates to it? Okay, yeah, I would do something like that too, if it didn't INVOLVE what this does.

You, sir, are an idiot for doing this and hope you learned a lesson. That's to both of the main people, actually.

I actually sincerely hope that nothing comes out of this. It's gotten way too far and has put more than one person in danger. If something does come out of this, there won't be an ending. I can't see one in the near future anyway.