World opinion.

[devilsadvocate]

Non Americans.

Do you view the U.S. more or less positively under Obama so far on how he is handling foreign (to us) issues.

I realize that unless you live in the middle east you probably wouldn't notice any difference in your actual life.

[Rart]

This should be interesting.

[Rart]

I don't really think that too many members come to this section in the first place though :(

[Expeto]

well,Rart has a point, but this topic really caught my eye,

in my country, and I'm guessing in many others too from what I remember from world pools, people generally like obama, they believe Obama will do good. He is like the guy who will make America better.

Even though I don't really share the opinion, this is the public opinion you asked for.Pulling soldiers from Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan, and getting a peace prize just seems like nonsense to me.

[devilsadvocate]

Don't know where else to put it, the lounge will just be full of spam and as we appear to have a different approach to dealing with other countries I'm genuinely interested in how others see us right now.

We get to choose who our President is. The rest of the world doesn't and our choice has an impact on it.

IMO it's in our best interest if the world has a mostly positive opinion of us.


I'm not asking for compliments or a flame fest, just honest opinions.

[DATTER]

Obama is crap!

[Skiz]

Obama is crap!

This is The Drawing Room, not the Bittorrent section.

If you have a comment to make, then by all means make it... BUT BACK IT UP.

[iLOVENZB]

Non Americans.

Do you view the U.S. more or less positively under Obama so far on how he is handling foreign (to us) issues.

I realize that unless you live in the middle east you probably wouldn't notice any difference in your actual life.

Bush was in the media over hear a lot for all the wrong reasons, mostly for humerous stunts.

I don't have any views on the war that fueled by 9/11. What would you do if terrorists killed so many people in your country?, of coarse there's still controversy as to why they invaded certain middle-east countries ;).

Are US/AU troops making a difference in the Middle-east? Depends which news article you read. I don't have any intentions on visiting there to find out myself. What the AU/US Defence forces are doing is providing jobs instead of my taxes going to coons who buy TV's every 6mnths. I'm seriously considering joining the Army, a few friends of mine have joined and love it.

Anyway, I'm getting offtopic. How do I perceive Obama? Well I haven't heard much from him, he's due to visit here soon. I wonder what if we'll see a naked X-ray scan of him?

PS: The election here was aired probably as much as it was in the US. Fucking ridicules!!!

/end :angry:



Obama is crap!

This is The Drawing Room, not the Bittorrent section.

If you have a comment to make, then by all means make it... BUT BACK IT UP.

LOL!!!

[DATTER]

Obama is crap!

This is The Drawing Room, not the Bittorrent section.

If you have a comment to make, then by all means make it... BUT BACK IT UP.

I'm sorry, but in my opnion Obama is crap! He is another one of thousands Presidents making promises and in the end he just makes war's. I am right? :huh:
This humanity is lost.

[j2k4]

Well, then.

5 people (world-wide) like Obama.

Well, actually, the number stands at 4 (four); I confess to having thrown a vote to Obama, even though I was not entitled.

That I have been joined by 4 other (presumably legitimate) voters is somewhat nagging, but there you are.

[Mivaro]

Well, then.

5 people (world-wide) like Obama.

Well, actually, the number stands at 4 (four); I confess to having thrown a vote to Obama, even though I was not entitled.

That I have been joined by 4 other (presumably legitimate) voters is somewhat nagging, but there you are.

You could also say, as only 12 people (including you) bothered to vote, almost nobody gives a damn about the American President, whoever it is....:whistling

[devilsadvocate]

You could also say, as only 12 people (including you) bothered to vote, almost nobody gives a damn about the American President, whoever it is....:whistling

I think that would be covered by "no difference".

I just posted because I read the other day that world opinion of the US had turned more positive

[999969999]

You could also say, as only 12 people (including you) bothered to vote, almost nobody gives a damn about the American President, whoever it is....:whistling

I think that would be covered by "no difference".

I just posted because I read the other day that world opinion of the US had turned more positive

Who cares whether the world has a positive or negative opinion of the U.S.? Obama is supposed to be president of the United States, not president of the world. I personally hope he loses the next election. I wasn't old enough to vote in the last election, but I will definitely be voting against him in 2012.

[clocker]

I wasn't old enough to vote in the last election, but I will definitely be voting against him in 2012.
No matter his opponent?

[devilsadvocate]

Who cares whether the world has a positive or negative opinion of the U.S.? Obama is supposed to be president of the United States, not president of the world. I personally hope he loses the next election. I wasn't old enough to vote in the last election, but I will definitely be voting against him in 2012.

So you think we shouldn't have foreign policy?

[999969999]

I wasn't old enough to vote in the last election, but I will definitely be voting against him in 2012.
No matter his opponent?

Well, I'm hoping Ron Paul will be running against him.

[999969999]

Who cares whether the world has a positive or negative opinion of the U.S.? Obama is supposed to be president of the United States, not president of the world. I personally hope he loses the next election. I wasn't old enough to vote in the last election, but I will definitely be voting against him in 2012.

So you think we shouldn't have foreign policy?

Our foreign policy should be about what's best for us, not about trying to make other countries like us.

[devilsadvocate]

So you think we shouldn't have foreign policy?

Our foreign policy should be about what's best for us, not about trying to make other countries like us.

And other countries hating/not liking us is good because?

What would be best for us? details please

[clocker]

Our foreign policy should be about what's best for us, not about trying to make other countries like us.
Ah, American exceptionalism at it's finest.

Given that we import most of our oil, owe our asses to the Chinese and sell our goods (what little we still produce) to everyone else, it IS best that other countries like us.

[Mivaro]

So you think we shouldn't have foreign policy?

Our foreign policy should be about what's best for us, not about trying to make other countries like us.

I would say it's in everybody's interest that there's at least something like mutual respect. Attitude like yours would certainly not help...

[999969999]

Our foreign policy should be about what's best for us, not about trying to make other countries like us.
Ah, American exceptionalism at it's finest.

Given that we import most of our oil, owe our asses to the Chinese and sell our goods (what little we still produce) to everyone else, it IS best that other countries like us.

This is what trying to be everyone's friend has led to. If we had simply brought our military home after World War 2 (or even better yet, never got involved in that stupid war at all), and just keep to our own affairs, building up our factories and making our products better and better, and let the world defend itself from the Soviets (which would have fallen by itself anyways because communism doesn't work), we wouldn't owe any debts, and we would still be making most of the manufactured goods for the whole world.

[clocker]

This is what trying to be everyone's friend has led to. If we had simply brought our military home after World War 2 (or even better yet, never got involved in that stupid war at all), and just keep to our own affairs, building up our factories and making our products better and better, and let the world defend itself from the Soviets (which would have fallen by itself anyways because communism doesn't work), we wouldn't owe any debts, and we would still be making most of the manufactured goods for the whole world.
Oh my God.
Were you homeschooled by Sarah Palin?

[999969999]

This is what trying to be everyone's friend has led to. If we had simply brought our military home after World War 2 (or even better yet, never got involved in that stupid war at all), and just keep to our own affairs, building up our factories and making our products better and better, and let the world defend itself from the Soviets (which would have fallen by itself anyways because communism doesn't work), we wouldn't owe any debts, and we would still be making most of the manufactured goods for the whole world.
Oh my God.
Were you homeschooled by Sarah Palin?

No, I went to schools in Eagar.

[clocker]

Beyond second grade?

[999969999]

I graduated from Round Valley High School. http://www.elks.net/

I'll bet you went to some lefty commie school back east, right?

[clocker]

No doubt.

[devilsadvocate]

This is what trying to be everyone's friend has led to. If we had simply brought our military home after World War 2 (or even better yet, never got involved in that stupid war at all), and just keep to our own affairs, building up our factories and making our products better and better, and let the world defend itself from the Soviets (which would have fallen by itself anyways because communism doesn't work), we wouldn't owe any debts, and we would still be making most of the manufactured goods for the whole world.

I can't make up my mind if you're a troll or you really lack basic knowledge of historical events.

Still waiting on what foreign policy specifics you feel are in our best interests.

[clocker]

I can't make up my mind if you're a troll or you really lack basic knowledge of historical events.
Could be both...look at Glen Beck.

[999969999]

This is what trying to be everyone's friend has led to. If we had simply brought our military home after World War 2 (or even better yet, never got involved in that stupid war at all), and just keep to our own affairs, building up our factories and making our products better and better, and let the world defend itself from the Soviets (which would have fallen by itself anyways because communism doesn't work), we wouldn't owe any debts, and we would still be making most of the manufactured goods for the whole world.

I can't make up my mind if you're a troll or you really lack basic knowledge of historical events.

Still waiting on what foreign policy specifics you feel are in our best interests.

Okay, what good did it do for the United States to get involved in World War 2? It led to us being stretched so thin that we have our military all around the world, and we still have bases in places like Japan and Germany, where the war has been over for many years. According to what I learned in high school history class, the Japanese attack on Hawaii was really not an unprovoked attack. If we had steered clear of getting involved in antagonizing them and the Germans, they probably wouldn't have bothered with us. They already had their hands full at the time, and widening the war to include us was a last resort for them.

And we should have kept out of the Korean war, the Vietnam War, and all of the Persian Gulf wars.

Specifics? here you go...

1. Bring our military home from everywhere in the world (including our bases in Europe and Japan). Abandon the Iraq and Afghanistan wars immediately. We don't have the guts to do what nees to be done to win them, so consider them a lost cause and abandon them. Focus on what we need for the actual defense of our borders and coastlines, and cut the spending on anything we don't need for that purpose.

2. Resign from and abandon the U.N., the W.T.O., treaties, etc., and cut off all foreign aid to everyone-- no exceptions!

3. Stop paying any interest or principal on all of our national debts. We already owe so much we can't pay them back anyways, so stop trying to pay them back. Stop basing our government and the economy on debt.

4. Stop paying for all entitlement programs-- Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc. Roll back taxes to a minimal level-- just enough to provide for a mutual defense program. Get rid of most of the federal agencies (E.P.A., F.D.A., U.S.D.A., etc.), and allow states to police themselves instead. End all federal regulation of private businesses. Let the free market sort things out for itself.

What do you think so far? Would you vote for me?

[clocker]

What do you think so far? Would you vote for me?
For institutionalization, yes.

[999969999]

What do you think so far? Would you vote for me?
For institutionalization, yes.


But you would have to agree that what we are doing now is unsustainable, right?

Something is going to have to give.

[devilsadvocate]

Specifics? here you go...

1. Bring our military home from everywhere in the world (including our bases in Europe and Japan). Abandon the Iraq and Afghanistan wars immediately. We don't have the guts to do what nees to be done to win them, so consider them a lost cause and abandon them. Focus on what we need for the actual defense of our borders and coastlines, and cut the spending on anything we don't need for that purpose.

2. Resign from and abandon the U.N., the W.T.O., treaties, etc., and cut off all foreign aid to everyone-- no exceptions!

3. Stop paying any interest or principal on all of our national debts. We already owe so much we can't pay them back anyways, so stop trying to pay them back. Stop basing our government and the economy on debt.

4. Stop paying for all entitlement programs-- Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc. Roll back taxes to a minimal level-- just enough to provide for a mutual defense program. Get rid of most of the federal agencies (E.P.A., F.D.A., U.S.D.A., etc.), and allow states to police themselves instead. End all federal regulation of private businesses. Let the free market sort things out for itself.

What do you think so far? Would you vote for me?

I'm sure I've heard those words before.

1. I actually agree more than disagree with this.

2. Not so much

3. Part 1 disagree, part 2 agree

4. You seem confused, this is not foreign policy, but thanks for posting anyway. Can't see you getting elected with this plan, you see those tea party protesters had signs saying "keep your government hands off my Medicare and social security", heck even the anti government nut job that wanted bricks thrown though lawmakers windows because he objects to socialism is living on disability welfare.

I can still taste the dirt from where my jaw dropped to the ground when republicans were demanding no cuts in Medicare.

[999969999]

Specifics? here you go...

1. Bring our military home from everywhere in the world (including our bases in Europe and Japan). Abandon the Iraq and Afghanistan wars immediately. We don't have the guts to do what nees to be done to win them, so consider them a lost cause and abandon them. Focus on what we need for the actual defense of our borders and coastlines, and cut the spending on anything we don't need for that purpose.

2. Resign from and abandon the U.N., the W.T.O., treaties, etc., and cut off all foreign aid to everyone-- no exceptions!

3. Stop paying any interest or principal on all of our national debts. We already owe so much we can't pay them back anyways, so stop trying to pay them back. Stop basing our government and the economy on debt.

4. Stop paying for all entitlement programs-- Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc. Roll back taxes to a minimal level-- just enough to provide for a mutual defense program. Get rid of most of the federal agencies (E.P.A., F.D.A., U.S.D.A., etc.), and allow states to police themselves instead. End all federal regulation of private businesses. Let the free market sort things out for itself.

What do you think so far? Would you vote for me?

I'm sure I've heard those words before.

1. I actually agree more than disagree with this.

2. Not so much

3. Part 1 disagree, part 2 agree

4. You seem confused, this is not foreign policy, but thanks for posting anyway. Can't see you getting elected with this plan, you see those tea party protesters had signs saying "keep your government hands off my Medicare and social security", heck even the anti government nut job that wanted bricks thrown though lawmakers windows because he objects to socialism is living on disability welfare.

I can still taste the dirt from where my jaw dropped to the ground when republicans were demanding no cuts in Medicare.

2. What don't you like about those ideas?

3. Be honest now. Do you really think we will ever be able to pay back the national debt? If not, then why bother paying back even one more penny of interest on a hopeless cause?

4. Yeah, that's not foreign policy, but it still needs to be done. I have serious problems with some of the things the Tea Party movement stands for, and that is one of them.

[clocker]

Do you really think we will ever be able to pay back the national debt? If not, then why bother paying back even one more penny of interest on a hopeless cause?
Remind me never to loan you any money.

[devilsadvocate]

if someone owed you money do you think it fair that they don't pay you?

As for the EPA FDA and USDA I would give them teeth and make sure they actually did what they are supposed to do. I don't want diseased meat, contaminated vegetables, lead paint on kids toys, mercury in my drinking water or my air poisoned.
While I agree that some regulations are senseless, the free market had 5 year olds working in mills and safety takes a back seat to costs.

[999969999]

Do you really think we will ever be able to pay back the national debt? If not, then why bother paying back even one more penny of interest on a hopeless cause?
Remind me never to loan you any money.


Ha! I don't need your money. My parents are loaded.

[999969999]

if someone owed you money do you think it fair that they don't pay you?

As for the EPA FDA and USDA I would give them teeth and make sure they actually did what they are supposed to do. I don't want diseased meat, contaminated vegetables, lead paint on kids toys, mercury in my drinking water or my air poisoned.
While I agree that some regulations are senseless, the free market had 5 year olds working in mills and safety takes a back seat to costs.

I agree that I would want to be paid back if I lent some money out, but there is a point of no return, and I think the U.S. has already sailed past that point several years ago. Perhaps if the government immediately stopped all spending right now, we could pay it back eventually, but I don't see that happening in the near future, do you?

There is a built-in inefficiency in anything having to do with the government. Trying to get those agencies to do what they were supposed to do seems to be an exercise in futility.

[clocker]

Ha! I don't need your money. My parents are loaded.
Ah, so you steal their money.

[devilsadvocate]

[QUOTE=devilsadvocate;3445123]

There is a built-in inefficiency in anything having to do with the government. Trying to get those agencies to do what they were supposed to do seems to be an exercise in futility.

Why do you think that is?

Actually I like the quote "republicans say government doesn't work, then get elected to prove it"

J2 used to have "it's not what government can or can't do , but what it should and shouldn't do" on his posts.

There will always be members of government making sure regulatory agencies don't work.

Oddly enough those same lawmakers that oppose government regulations on food, air quality or safety are usually the ones trying to strengthen things like the FCC because nipples are deadly.

[cinephilia]

no difference. america's politics and state of mind will never change because of one man.

[clocker]

no difference. america's politics and state of mind will never change because of one man.
It has in the past- think FDR- why not in the future?

[j2k4]

no difference. america's politics and state of mind will never change because of one man.
It has in the past- think FDR- why not in the future?

Yeah, but FDR sucked hard.

[clocker]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion- misguided as it may be.

[jibblet]

Just 1 puppet replacing another. It seems obvious from over here (UK) that the president has very little impact on what is going on.