FTWR Will Return?

[NkFy]

http://i39.tinypic.com/21ctmdi.png
FTWR tracker.
There are rumors that FTWR will come back, its a countdown in their homepage/index and something will happen on 10/10/10. FTWR has been closed due internal errors and the HDD was crashed a few months ago. What would you say? FTWR will return or it's just a simple countdown?

FTWR irc refuge topic:
Rabbit Refuge // 10/10/10... the countdown is on! // there may be teasers, there may be nothing... there may be something at the end of time, or it might just be one big windup... much like life really //

All we have to do is to wait, untill 10/10/2010 to see what will happen with the FTWR tracker.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2088c5j.png

[garherd]

If they truly are coming back, more info will be provided from their irc channel.

[anon]

Start over from that other 1-year-old backup and say only the most dedicated members have been picked for FTWR v2 perhaps? :unsure:

[Cabalo]

Start over from that other 1-year-old backup and say only the most dedicated members have been picked for FTWR v2 perhaps? :unsure:
OMG !!! This is going to be the leetest tracker of all time ! Finally something to fill the void left for level 10 !! :w00t:

[NiKRuLeZ]

start over from that other 1-year-old backup and say only the most dedicated members have been picked for ftwr v2 perhaps? :unsure:
omg !!! This is going to be the leetest tracker of all time ! Finally something to fill the void left for level 10 !! :w00t:
:p

[cinephilia]

Start over from that other 1-year-old backup and say only the most dedicated members have been picked for FTWR v2 perhaps? :unsure:
OMG !!! This is going to be the leetest tracker of all time ! Finally something dto fill the void left for level 10 !! :w00t:
don't be so sure, uk-t hasn't said its last word :naughty:

[antrax34130]

you forgot ttc :naughty:

[QPD]

you forgot ttc :naughty:

and SCL
:01:

[Cabalo]

you forgot ttc :naughty:

and SCL
:01:
true. scenexpress is the new player in town. And if sharky said it's fantastic, there's no way it can go wrong.

[anon]

if sharky said it's fantastic, there's no way it can go wrong.

He said Be A Scener may eventually become one of the sites you'd wish you had registered on. :yup:

[t00z]

I did hear those rumours before. That was shortly after it went down, though. Few months ago at least..

[Champo101]

I saw this message a couple of weeks ago. I'm curious as to what it means. Even though I wasn't a member.

[TraLaLa]

whats the sing up link :lol:

[IdolEyes787]

http://i39.tinypic.com/21ctmdi.png
FTWR tracker.
There are rumors that FTWR will come back, its a countdown in their homepage/index and something will happen on 10/10/10. FTWR has been closed due internal errors and the HDD was crashed a few months ago. What would you say? FTWR will return or it's just a simple countdown?

FTWR irc refuge topic:
Rabbit Refuge // 10/10/10... the countdown is on! // there may be teasers, there may be nothing... there may be something at the end of time, or it might just be one big windup... much like life really //

All we have to do is to wait, untill 10/10/2010 to see what will happen with the FTWR tracker.
http://i39.tinypic.com/2088c5j.png

More Info: http://learnitwith.blogspot.com/2010/04/ftwr-will-return.html

I would never invest that much of a long term giving a fuck for any woman teasing me about putting out so there is no way in hell I do it for some bt tracker.

[salahnasser]

countdown for who??!!
why in hell i want to wait for a private tracker that i never saw :O

[Quarterquack]

I've already had enough of elitist (for lack of a better word) cunts from there. Sure, some of the members are great people, and I actually enjoy talking to some of them. However, there's a lot of pointless elitism from some of their members. I was on IRC a few weeks ago, considering a friend of mine told me the announcement had just gone up, and some people (not going to drop names) had the audacity to tell me to get out if I had never been a member, like it was some sort of dickwad shrine.

P.S. I realize I made it sound like I was intruding, when in reality, I was and I wasn't. All I was doing was talking to my friend on that channel, popping jokes, enjoying the mood people were in and someone just blew their top off on me because they thought I shouldn't be there. I didn't ask any questions about FTWR, I didn't speak about FTWR, heck I didn't even say "yay it's coming back." I was just talking to a friend. Whatever.

[ca_aok]

That's a pity... they had really nice staff and members in general. It's very true that the channel has become filled with people who weren't ever members though... personally I frequented it for about a week before I got sick of "curious outsiders" showing up... kinda defeats the purpose. Not singling you about specifically, but I'm sure after dealing with hundreds of tards who were never members and probably showed up in the channel trying to get invited somewhere "1337", they've adopted a rather cynical viewpoint towards outsiders.

Speaking of "1337", I never really had that vibe from the site while it was up. If the perception of 1337ness can be blamed on anything, I'd say it's the idiotic WTAW levels, as usual.

On topic, at least two of their former staff have confirmed that they have no idea what the countdown is for or who set it up, so if the site is being restarted somehow it certainly isn't a united front. I suppose we'll wait and see what happens.

[PancakeWaffles]

if sharky said it's fantastic, there's no way it can go wrong.

He said Be A Scener may eventually become one of the sites you'd wish you had registered on. :yup:

OMG I remember BSC, damn...
Well for this the countdown is so long, I say just ignore it until the tenth month than everyone can be like OMG OMG OMG! I never really cared for FTWR though, it's just, I don't know maybe it was the super black design...

[Cut-Copy-Paste]

Start over from that other 1-year-old backup and say only the most dedicated members have been picked for FTWR v2 perhaps? :unsure:
Level 11 :w00t:

[anon]

OMG I remember BSC, damn...

They kind of overrelied on the autobot.

[Skiz]

The fact that the '10/10/10 countdown' text doesn't even slightly resemble the other text on the page tells me it's a knock-off.

If you ask me, it's just someone trying to take advantage of a known site name.

[Detale]

Skizo, you're back to blue???

[Skiz]

Just helping out as they said they were understaffed after I left. Said I'd help out as I had the time until a suitable candidate was found.

[Fishy2]

K now you can expect a rush on wannabe staff pm's as well as the FTWR invite PM's lol :-)

[1000possibleclaws]

Die already, tracker.

[mrnobody]

The fact that the '10/10/10 countdown' text doesn't even slightly resemble the other text on the page tells me it's a knock-off.

If you ask me, it's just someone trying to take advantage of a known site name.

yeap, "the countdown is on" looks cheap. But the counter on top right seems a bit matching to original text.

agreed with latter part though. It seems to be a joke, i mean 10/10/2010. Anyone notice all the 10's? And who would make users wait so long for rebirth of tracker...well except for RTS.

[hotstuff]

hey was a member in another life so im back was there whaen it died want to be there when it comes back lets hope it happens

[gamesover]

hey was a member in another life so im back was there whaen it died want to be there when it comes back lets hope it happens

I can't really make a lot of sense out of your post. Trust me though, ftwr didn't have anything that cant be replaced by another tracker or filesharing method. I guess the myth survives if people like you are going to wait with fingers crossed for it's return.

[awaited]

wasn't the domain of ftwr on sale after it went down?

[Cisco---Scene]

if they want to come back with 2008 backup,why they R.I.P?
and
if they want to make new tracker with FTWR name ,it's just name
and don't have any real...
and FTWR word just make trading stronger

[sed]

if back will be nice

[anon]

if back will be nice

And so begins the trip to getting those 20 posts. :pinch:

[1000possibleclaws]

Protip: report every spam post and you'll reach 4,681 posts in no time.

[Quarterquack]

Protip: report every spam post and you'll reach 4,681 posts in no time.

Side-Note: People with 4137 posts are usually jealous of people with 4681 posts. :happy:

[anon]

Protip: report every spam post and you'll reach 4,681 posts in no time.

I don't want 4681 posts, I want the grey stars. :snooty:

[cinephilia]

Protip: report every spam post and you'll reach 4,681 posts in no time.

I don't want 4681 posts, I want the grey stars. :snooty:
be happy with your 40 green rep points :coffee:

[DATTER]

These guys don't have life.. They spend alot of time here :unsure:

[pretend]

wasn't the domain of ftwr on sale after it went down?

Nope.
And it still has same whois info.

[QPD]

hey.What about FTWR ?

[TraLaLa]

Who ? its all about the starz

[QPD]

Who ?
FTWR...look at the thread title!
It's a line form matrix...

[MiNiMAL]

:) :yup:

[mefisto]

wasnt this tracker shit?

[nthpeter]

10th of October? Good. I have time to make a tracker with no content and users, hype it for 6 months and then trade it for FTWR.

[anon]

be happy with your 40 green rep points :coffee:

I only see eight bars. :cry:

[f@flot]

I guess this thread needs a bump (and whoever knows about it gets it).

[anon]

Looks like tomorrow's the big day. :ermm:

[f@flot]

I wonder what they are up to, though i never really loged into their IRC or anything.

[IdolEyes787]

I guess this thread needs a bump (and whoever knows about it gets it).

You really needed to post for the first time in a year to say that.:mellow:

[gagamel]

I expect good news. :happy:

[Fishy2]

I guess this thread needs a bump (and whoever knows about it gets it).

You really needed to post for the first time in a year to say that.:mellow:

Obviously a fan ;)

[Stabber]

Tomorrow is the big day ? Why ?

[Raban]

hrmmmm. . . . . .

<~wwwolf|work> by the way... just to get rid of the "is the rabbit coming back?" shite... it was unanimous when the site went down that we were gonna let it have a dignified death, no administering of cpr etc

[n00bz0r]

And with that, the thread should die a dignified death as well.

[Fishy2]

^ +1

[1000possibleclaws]

the secret is "11/11/11"

[Slickerey]

:lol:

The 11/11/11 thing made me laugh. After all, the FTWR staffing team doesn't have to be specific. It does say 10/10/10, which means that it could happen during the next century.

;)

[A]

:lol:

The 11/11/11 thing made me laugh. After all, the FTWR staffing team doesn't have to be specific. It does say 10/10/10, which means that it could happen during the next century.

;)
Dude the world is ending on 12/12/12.

[whatcdfan]

Dude the world is ending on 12/12/12.

0r 21/12/12

[th0r]

OMG I remember BSC, damn...does anyone remember the buzz around bcc a long time ago? damn, i wonder if that community is still active


Die already, tracker.srsly, i wonder if the return of ftwr will be as disappointing as the return of torrentit

[C-mos]

the rabbit is dead , long live the rabbit.
great text.

[bijoy]

the rabbit is dead , long live the rabbit.
great text.

What is the rabbit?? just asking!!

[YoYoY]

Thank you for all the fishes

[dandyccc]

lol

[antrax34130]

http://www.ftwr.in/TA.html


April Fool, suckers!

Well, that's how it started, obviously, but as time went on, it became apparent that there was a need for something new and exciting.
Let us categorically state though, that the rabbit is dead, it won't be coming back.

But...

People seem to be insistant that a new site is coming, and it's coming today.
The answer to that is yes and no... We can finally admit that a new forum is in the works.
Unfortunately it's not quite ready yet, so you can't see it today :p

It seems we're going to have to work out an interesting way of letting people know...
Last count there were 240 people in #rabbit - more than the best times when we were active!
Are all the other sites out there that bad that you're just desperate? (;

We're not going to give out a new date just yet, but hope to in the near future.

The important thing you can all do now is get into #rabbit and wish Violinfaerie a very happy birthday!

Best wishes,
a;j;m;w;

[MiNiMAL]

iZ BACK :

ftwr/signup.php :) GOGOGOGO !

[t3rr1ble]

I was waiting on the name change back to wdgaf :cry:
oh well...gl 2 them

[MrKennedy]

April Fool, suckers!

Well, that's how it started, obviously, but as time went on, it became apparent that there was a need for something new and exciting.
Let us categorically state though, that the rabbit is dead, it won't be coming back.

But...

People seem to be insistant that a new site is coming, and it's coming today.
The answer to that is yes and no... We can finally admit that a new forum is in the works.
Unfortunately it's not quite ready yet, so you can't see it today :p

It seems we're going to have to work out an interesting way of letting people know...
Last count there were 240 people in #rabbit - more than the best times when we were active!
Are all the other sites out there that bad that you're just desperate? (;

We're not going to give out a new date just yet, but hope to in the near future.

The important thing you can all do now is get into #rabbit and wish Violinfaerie a very happy birthday!

Best wishes,
a;j;m;w;


http://www.ftwr.in/TA.html

[gamesover]

does anyone remember the buzz around bcc a long time ago? damn, i wonder if that community is still active


Die already, tracker.srsly, i wonder if the return of ftwr will be as disappointing as the return of torrentit

LOL wasn't BCC one of those crazy anti-trading groups. I remember seeing their signature around FST. A badge of honour, i guess :wacko:

FTWR should just stay dead to give people a rest. When people start dreaming about joining a tracker it's gone too far.

[IdolEyes787]

does anyone remember the buzz around bcc a long time ago? damn, i wonder if that community is still active

srsly, i wonder if the return of ftwr will be as disappointing as the return of torrentit

LOL wasn't BCC one of those crazy anti-trading groups. I remember seeing their signature around FST. A badge of honour, i guess :wacko:

FTWR should just stay dead to give people a rest. When people start dreaming about joining a tracker it's gone too far.

What makes a great tracker are the members not the name ,the staff, or any perceived l33tness.
What to be on better sites ? Instead of dreaming of the past and pining for the future simply contribute more to the ones that you are currently a member of.:mellow:

[Polarbear]

LOL wasn't BCC one of those crazy anti-trading groups.
No.

[anon]

iZ BACK :

ftwr/signup.php :) GOGOGOGO !

The wait was worth it, after all. :naughty:

[ExtraDry]

boobies were nice, plenty of good sites to fill the void, most ftwr users have been directed to good homes :yup:

[th0r]

LOL wasn't BCC one of those crazy anti-trading groups.maybe you're thinking of another bcc ;/

[tman88]

yea somewhere else is great of course--- the rabbit is a foggy memory :D that is missed

[1000possibleclaws]

It's actually a great thing this tracker died and is remaining dead. Who needs specific 0day anyways, there are 1000 good sources for that stuff. Now the community is public in an irc channel so anyone who wants can participate, and all the dickheads will silently idle or most likely have already pissed off.

[th0r]

or start idling exclusively in the skittles irc channel

[ca_aok]

Meh I used to like their IRC, lost touch with a few of those folks once it went down. Someone told me they moved on to iTS but I really don't need another 0-day tracker, even if they do have a bunch of AFR stuff.

[Enlightened]

Exclusivity and Rarity in Trackers, is something in the past,look at >>> SCT,FTWR,UK-T

The Only ones that are still out there, not within the "Grasp" of most users are >> E**** FSC and FTN that are still remaining.


Looks like half of these so call "dream" Trackers, are half gone.....my 2 cents.

[th0r]

i get where you're going w/ ftwr and uk-t, but how was sct exclusive and rare? there was a huge userbase and invites were easy to come by; the main appeal of sct was its speeds, really, and maybe its packs and the design, too

fsc isn't exclusive per se, unless you're talking about their forums (lol), but it is hard to get into and i haven't seen requests nor trades for e**** in forever. i will agree w/ you, however, that ftn still remains the tracker that is both hard to get into (rare?) and has a pretty decent content selection (exclusive?)

[IdolEyes787]

Skittles?HDbits?

[Enlightened]

but how was sct exclusive and rare? there was a huge userbase and invites were easy to come by; the main appeal of sct was its speeds, really, and maybe its packs and the design, too


The invites were was much "difficult" to come by 4 or 5 years ago, when I first joined SCT, BEFORE they changed their policy where U can DONATE to get extra Invites OR get Extra Upload Gigs, then it became soooo.........much easier to join, [ Not that exclusive any more].... U catch my drift.....

[gamesover]

but how was sct exclusive and rare? there was a huge userbase and invites were easy to come by; the main appeal of sct was its speeds, really, and maybe its packs and the design, too


The invites were was much "difficult" to come by 4 or 5 years ago, when I first joined SCT, BEFORE they changed their policy where U can DONATE to get extra Invites OR get Extra Upload Gigs, then it became soooo.........much easier to join, [ Not that exclusive any more].... U catch my drift.....

Still the ScT invites cost money, which many people have a hard time parting with. So IMO still was decently hard to join.

[1000possibleclaws]

Hard to join because you don't want to pay a friend $20, or because you don't have a friend in SCT to give money to? If it's not the latter it's easy as pie to join, maybe not worth it to some but in no way hard to join. Same with FTN; give a friend a twenty or 2 and chances are you will have yourself an account within the next month or so.

[bijoy]

iZ BACK :

ftwr/signup.php :) GOGOGOGO !

The wait was worth it, after all. :naughty:

Who is jumping on this link??? :P

[Enlightened]

. Same with FTN; give a friend a twenty or 2 and chances are you will have yourself an account within the next month or so.

Not all Donaters, result in an "automatic" invites in FTN, there arre other considerations, But I do agree it increases your chances of an invite, if U are NOT a FTN Hero or superseeder

[Presto]

In torrent world:

exclusive and rare = shit, slow, and useless

[iLOVENZB]

iZ BACK :

ftwr/signup.php :) GOGOGOGO !

LOL!

Nipple slip!

[Stabber]

In torrent world:

exclusive and rare = shit, slow, and useless

Most of the times that's true . Only ScT has managed to be exclusive and still the greatest bt tracker

[cinephilia]

The wait was worth it, after all. :naughty:

Who is jumping on this link??? :P
you just did.

[IdolEyes787]

People seem to be insistant that a new site is coming,

:unsure:



In torrent world:

exclusive and rare = shit, slow, and useless

Most of the times that's true . Only ScT has managed to be exclusive and still the greatest bt tracker

But then ScT was hardly "exclusive" ,was it?

Also change bt tracker to scene tracker and you are closer to the truth.

[anon]

But then ScT was hardly "exclusive" ,was it?

Thought more or less the same. Sure, the main method of getting invites on ScT was donating (besides winning competitions and the like), and that made them less readily available than say TL or IPT, but they weren't as "exclusive" as FTN, for example.

[DeadPoet]

There are no exclusive scene trackers. Period.

[ExtraDry]

When i first joined the site invites weren't that rare at all, got to invite a few friends still but had to watch who you invited back then bad user change you got disabled.
As mentioned above then only offered to donators later on so if you guys are saying that invites were still pretty easy to get then must been some cash throw at the site to have that many invites around
Sct had so many servers on that site peeps would have had to been using them as axx for other torrent sites speeds were ridiculously fast download speeds even before giga servers were brought in.

[danelna]

i heard something about it

[n00bz0r]

i heard something about it

So did every reader of this thread..:frusty:

[ElitUser]

I like to know the full url of the FTWR tracker
I aslo try to WTO but dont find.

[anon]

I like to know the full url of the FTWR tracker

What would you need it for?

[Cabalo]

It's this: http://www.ftwr.in/

[ElitUser]

Thanks Cabalo for your kind help :)

[IdolEyes787]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwPb7g_BlXQ

[sake]

will it return ?

Nope :)

[cepal]

so it will not return, close this thread..

[Intr4ns1t]

so it will not return, close this thread..

Coming from such a long term, and prolific, poster such as yourself, I'm sure staff will jump right on that.


/me starts holding his breath

[solarbladeII]

so it will not return, close this thread..

Coming from such a long term, and prolific, poster such as yourself, I'm sure staff will jump right on that.


/me starts holding his breath

Will me saying the same thing work for you then?

**Me holds his breath**

[DeadCell]

Coming from such a long term, and prolific, poster such as yourself, I'm sure staff will jump right on that.


/me starts holding his breath

Will me saying the same thing work for you then?

**Me holds his breath**


Will me saying the same thing work for you then?

**Me holds his breath** ruh roh

[Disme]

Will me saying the same thing work for you then?

**Me holds his breath**


Will me saying the same thing work for you then?

**Me holds his breath** ruh roh

Lips are turning blue by now, right?

[IdolEyes787]

so it will not return, close this thread..

On the contrary I think it should be left open as it gives a chance for people like you to make such profound statements that we can all benefit by.
I mean although there's a lot of thought and personality put into it there is only so much that I can learn from "What are your top 10 trackers " or "The Best and Most Complete 0day Tracker"

Anyway the person that was in charge of FTWR has very narrow and specific ideas about who or what is good for a site so I've come to the conclusion over the course of time that the world is better off without FTWR or similar places.

[cepal]

i dont understand what you mean, but let me explain you something.....i can post what i want....profound statements or not profound statements is no matter.... and please stop spamming...thanks..

[IdolEyes787]

i dont understand what you mean, but let me explain you something.....i can post what i want....profound statements or not profound statements is no matter.... and please stop spamming...thanks..

Let me likewise explain you something.I can post what I want ( consequent to staff approval and me not getting tossed from the site) ...profound statement or not profound statement ( of course both being open to interpretation and dependent on fundamental understanding) is no matter ...and please stop spamming because that , as I seemingly failed to make clear earlier , is another thing that is totally dependent on interpretation.

Here imo might be some good examples though:O
nice mate,thanx for the list

[Have] KG,IPLAY,P2PTEMPLATE [want] REVTT

hdbits.org the only best one

Btw if staff do feel that I exceed the tolerable limit for spam I'd actually appreciate the warning/infraction and not be shown any favoritism because otherwise I won't know where to draw the line.

[n00bz0r]

:lol:

[Goldfilm]

i hope it will come back really

[IdolEyes787]

i hope it will come back really

Why?

Besides there's no future in living in the past.

[ca_aok]

Sure there is, it's called the present :o

Though would you really want all this to be the only thing you can look forward to?

[ninja666]

http://www.ftwr.in/TA.html

[gamesover]

http://www.ftwr.in/TA.html

Just saw that, god they are full of themselves.

[Cabalo]

http://www.ftwr.in/TA.html

Just saw that, god they are full of themselves.
That's nothing new. It's a syndrome shared by many who frequented the site.

[Stabber]

Wow this thread is still open ? Why ?

[johhny]

the rabbit is dead

[pnmgomes]

the rabbit is dead

:-) ... the rabbit wasn't a tracker ... for most of you that don't know before rabbit there was one named "WDGS" ... or something like that ;)
from that first community that i first mention ... the rabbit was borne!!!!
Now every ex member of rabbit as a new home ... called ITS!!
END OF STORY ;)

[cinephilia]

seriously, who cares about the pre-rabbit period ? whether you like it or not, ftwr was a torrentsite.

[th0r]

someone take a screenshot of their irc channel for me, please

[gamesover]

someone take a screenshot of their irc channel for me, please

Can't you join, you were a member weren't you?

[pro267]

I was under the impression th0r is in fact the trader r4c00n, or whatever the hell his name was a few years back. Oh yeah, just the guy I'd like to give snapshots to.

[KushBlow]

55593

[skywalker91]

WTF
keep people for a year and after that it's appeared to be April fool's day
it wasn't even April suckers

[deadalive1]

How did they "keep" people? They didn't tell anyone to keep checking the site, they didn't tell anyone to idle in their IRC etc.

[IdolEyes787]

seriously, who cares about the pre-rabbit period ?

B.R.(Before Rabbit)
(http://simplythebest.net/sounds/WAV/WAV_files/miscellaneous_WAV_files/hallelujah.wav)

[skywalker91]

really what about that announcement that the rabbit will come to live at 10/10/2010
How did they "keep" people? They didn't tell anyone to keep checking the site, they didn't tell anyone to idle in their IRC etc.

[deadalive1]

It didn't say anything about coming to life on 10/10/10. It was the people visiting that page that speculated that it was going to return. Not one staff member from FTWR said that it would return, in fact most (if not all) denied there would be a resurrection of the site.

[skywalker91]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
I've not heard any one denying it
this topic was alive for a year and they didn't deny it
please correct me if I'm wrong

[IdolEyes787]

I'm denying it now .

[A]

I'm denying it now .
lol

[deadalive1]

You apparently never talked to anyone who staffed FTWR, it doesn't matter what anyone else did or didn't do. The people who kept this thread alive were hoping for a different outcome on that date, they were mistaken. And as far as this thread not being denied, why should they of even bothered to respond to it, the website was pretty clear on this. It wasn't/isn't their fault that people speculated differently and chose to ignore what the page actually said, all those people saw was a countdown and assumed that the site (after taking a year off would come back) which in and of itself is hard to believe that anyone in their right mind would think that a year layoff would somehow be a good thing for any tracker.

[IdolEyes787]

And as far as this thread not being denied, why should they of even bothered to respond to it, the website was pretty clear on this.

No if I was them I'd never "lower "myself to taking ten seconds to clarify something here either .


It wasn't/isn't their fault that people speculated differently and chose to ignore what the page actually said, all those people saw was a countdown and assumed that the site .

Plea ease if the intent wasn't to create just this type of situation and have a good laugh at other people's expense ignorance then why the need for a (fake) countdown timer anyway?

Btw I actually have talked to a couple people that staffed FTWR hence the superiority comment.

[cinephilia]

so in the end, will uk-t ever come back ?

oh wait, wrong thread :dabs: