Peer-2-peer

[waveynet]

A guy from Demon Internet told me today that from Nov 1st, Peer2peer transfers are illegal...??? This cannot be true surly. So, anyone on here know the real truth, and is the penalty really upto £10,000? And is this worldwide or UK?

(not sure if this is a movieworld topic but (MODS) feel free to move this thread... )

[3rd gen noob]

lmfao
are you stupid?

you think sharing copyrighted material is only just illegal?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[waveynet]

Don't get on your high horse you tosser. I said PEER-2-PEER - eg: illegal to RUN kazaa. Of course owning copyrighted material is illegal (you prat), but running kazza wasn't, provided you already owned the copyright, hence the loophole we've all been using (and variants about how distribution occurs). It is now. Get it, moron? Don't take the p*ss. Shouldn't that be 3rd gen knob?

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by waveynet@31 October 2003 - 19:56
Of course owning copyrighted material is illegal (you prat)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

no it's not

if you bought it, it's yours

kazaa lite is illegal (and always has been, to the best of my knowledge)

[3rd gen noob]

A guy from Demon Internet told me today that from Nov 1st, Peer2peer transfers are illegal...???



I said PEER-2-PEER - eg: illegal to RUN kazaa

:rolleyes:

[infamousalbo101]

LoL if it was leagal they wouldnt sell music games and apps in stores they would just put them on kazaa or wha eva :lol:

[waveynet]

OK then.

So, is it possible to run Kazaa without downloading copyrighted material you do not own?

If the answer to that is YES - (which I think it is), then surly running the program does not mean you are breaking UK law (pre Nov 1st)?


The whole reason I started this thread was that this new legislation is that it gives government and police in the UK new powers to trace IP's, and P-2-P users they did not have before midnight. I wanted to know if there were any users who knew more about this. Obviously I just found a couple of p*ss-takers. If you do know anything about this new UK legislation, please feel free to help continue this thread. If you DON'T know about the new laws (or don't care), then go back to what ever planet you have come from. The other two posts convinced me I am better off at the pub.

Thank you.

[ahctlucabbuS]

LMAO you guys doesn´t seem to understand his question.


kazaa lite is illegal (and always has been, to the best of my knowledge)

The program Kazaa lite isn´t illegal.

As for the original question, I have no idea.

[3rd gen noob]

kazaa is legal...i never said it wasn't

kazaa lite is illegal

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by Barky@31 October 2003 - 20:19
LMAO you guys doesn´t seem to understand his question.


kazaa lite is illegal (and always has been, to the best of my knowledge)

The program Kazaa lite isn´t illegal.

As for the original question, I have no idea.
kazaa lite is illegal


look at the terms and conditions... :rolleyes:

[MetroStars]

Don't get on your high horse you tosser.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

wot a thing 2 say

[DasScoot]

Whoever this Demon Internet is, they're dumbasses. There's nothing illegal about p2p in and of itself.

[fr600]

If kazaa is legal then I'd say kazaa lite is also legal. They just can't stop piracy so they are after P2Ps. At least they have to do sth... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by fr600@31 October 2003 - 20:52
If kazaa is legal then I'd say kazaa lite is also legal. They just can't stop piracy so they are after P2Ps. At least they have to do sth... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
kazaa lite is illegal...really...

[cosmic doobie]

Anyone have more info on this Uk legislation - maybe i've been walking round this board blind but i can't recall seeing much posted about it.
I expect BT will follow demon's policies too soon now they've teamed up with SBC/Yahoo.
Big Brother is taking over :angry:

[cosmic doobie]

Waveynet,
Be sure to add this range to your IP Blocker.

DEMON ADSL CUSTOMER FEDERATION AGAINST COPYRIGHT THEFT LIMITED:62.49.226.24-62.49.226.27

[internet.news]

THe whole issue with copyrighted material is in some ways
theorietical really scary!!!!

You are normally allowed to make a copy for you or your nearest
friends - or you can watch a film you bought together with a friend, right?
and the friend does not have to pay!

Means it is not logicial, cause to that everybody knows another person, so everyone knows everyone indirectly at least - means: we are a great community
finally.

It is a same not logicallike ppl starting wars against each other :(

thanks anyway, david.

[jfm]

Originally posted by waveynet@31 October 2003 - 19:39
A guy from Demon Internet told me today that from Nov 1st, Peer2peer transfers are illegal...??? This cannot be true surly. So, anyone on here know the real truth, and is the penalty really upto £10,000? And is this worldwide or UK?

(not sure if this is a movieworld topic but (MODS) feel free to move this thread... )
File sharing is not illegal, KLite is not illegal, K++ is not illegal.

Downloading/Uploading anything you don't have a licence to? Illegal.

[junkyardking]

Originally posted by jfm+1 November 2003 - 05:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jfm @ 1 November 2003 - 05:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-waveynet@31 October 2003 - 19:39
A guy from Demon Internet told me today that from Nov 1st, Peer2peer transfers are illegal...??? This cannot be true surly. So, anyone on here know the real truth, and is the penalty really upto £10,000? And is this worldwide or UK?

(not sure if this is a movieworld topic but (MODS) feel free to move this thread... )
File sharing is not illegal, KLite is not illegal, K++ is not illegal.

Downloading/Uploading anything you don&#39;t have a licence to? Illegal. [/b][/quote]
K-lite is illegal, it is illegal in the sense that it has infringed on the intellectual property rights of Sharman networks(Kazaa), in the agreement with Sharman networks using KMD you are not allowed to alter there program and what not, k-lite being an altered version of KMD makes it illegal.

[Adster]

kazaa liute is not ilegal either is P2P in that case.

if it was appiclation swould be ilegal and kazaa lite would haev been shut down a long tim eago if it was ilegal

[Adster]

also thsi took abotu PG and firewal i dotn have a firewall or PG im not paranoid :lol:


also another thign FTP server oh if kazaa lite is ilegal i guess they are too

[jfm]

Originally posted by junkyardking@1 November 2003 - 07:15

K-lite is illegal, it is illegal in the sense that it has infringed on the intellectual property rights of Sharman networks(Kazaa), in the agreement with Sharman networks using KMD you are not allowed to alter there program and what not, k-lite being an altered version of KMD makes it illegal.

I was speaking figurativly, as in, "p2p software" is not illegal. Not particularly klite, etc.

But I &#39;spose you&#39;re right about the sharman issue

[Will_518]

Hey, idiots&#33;

Let&#39;s look at the evidence, a guy from a anti-p2p org tells you off top of his head p2p&#39;s just become illegal, and now we are all here scared and shouting?&#33;

Can anyone give me a link to a decent or official site about this law?

[SeK612]

K++ is illegal in terms of its a modified version of Kazaa which Sharman has not authorized (and Sharman have been kicking up a fuss about it of late).

I too heard about some UK law that was to be implimented around October the 31st to crack down on filesharing but as with all the other scares and threats I&#39;ve yet to see something that convinces me to stop sharing files :)

[mn04]

is this true that you can get put in jail for 2 years for copying a song from a cd to a mp3 player

http://www.itweek.co.uk/News/1146800

[3rd gen noob]

Kazaa Lite Is Illegal

:rolleyes:

"Please note that installing this software is ILLEGAL and is in violation of the Kazaa Media Desktop Terms of Use"

taken from Kazaa Lite installer

[Adster]

so in court ill just say "sorry i just kept clicking next" it was a accident" and this software installed i wnated to click the back button so badly but i couldn&#39;t stop it from installing once I clicked next :lol: :lol:

[Sparkle1984]

Originally posted by Adster@1 November 2003 - 13:11
so in court ill just say "sorry i just kept clicking next" it was a accident" and this software installed i wnated to click the back button so badly but i couldn&#39;t stop it from installing once I clicked next :lol: :lol:
LOL &#33;&#33; I like the sound of that &#33;&#33; :lol: :D

[Mad Cat]

Originally posted by mn04@1 November 2003 - 12:14
is this true that you can get put in jail for 2 years for copying a song from a cd to a mp3 player

http://www.itweek.co.uk/News/1146800
As long as you own the original product you may legally back it up, in any way you wish. You do not, however, have rights to distribute the back up.

[waterStrider]

Be sure to add this range to your IP Blocker.

DEMON ADSL CUSTOMER FEDERATION AGAINST COPYRIGHT THEFT LIMITED:62.49.226.24-62.49.226.27

how do u do this? i have the latest klite ++..
it has "ip blocker updater" program, but i can&#39;t add ips.

[paul_smith]

simple
kazaa software is legal
kazaa lite software is illegal (as its unauthorised edited version of kazaa)

what people use both of them for is ILLEGAL

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by paul_smith@1 November 2003 - 20:09
simple
kazaa software is legal
kazaa lite software is illegal (as its unauthorised edited version of kazaa)

what people use both of them for is ILLEGAL
if you only download non-copyrighted material, using kazaa can be legal

[paul_smith]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+1 November 2003 - 20:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 1 November 2003 - 20:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-paul_smith@1 November 2003 - 20:09
simple
kazaa software is legal
kazaa lite software is illegal (as its unauthorised edited version of kazaa)

what people use both of them for is ILLEGAL
if you only download non-copyrighted material, using kazaa can be legal [/b][/quote]
yeh but im guessing 99.9% of people download illegal stuff.

[3rd gen noob]

Originally posted by paul_smith@1 November 2003 - 20:13
yeh but im guessing 99.9% of people download illegal stuff.
i see your point, and i agree with you

however, there is little (if any) space in the law for guessing

[cosmic doobie]

Originally posted by waterStrider@1 November 2003 - 20:04

Be sure to add this range to your IP Blocker.

DEMON ADSL CUSTOMER FEDERATION AGAINST COPYRIGHT THEFT LIMITED:62.49.226.24-62.49.226.27

how do u do this? i have the latest klite ++..
it has "ip blocker updater" program, but i can&#39;t add ips.
Go into your Kazaa Lite Folder and look for the Bad Ip Ranges.txt open in notepad add the new range and save.

I have also requested to Paul that he add it to the Bad IP list.

[SniperInTheShadows]

Simple way to look at this...

Downloading Non-Copyrighted/Legally-broadcastable material via Kazaa (original), or most other legal (i.e. Non-hacked/Non-modified etc) P2P program&#39;s is &#33;LEGAL&#33;. The original Kazaa, along with BitTorrent, eDonkey and many other P2P program&#39;s &#33;ARE&#33; legal in themselves. It&#39;s how people decide to use them that&#39;s illegal usually.

Downloading Copyrighted/Illegally-broadcast material via &#33;ANY&#33; P2P program is &#33;ILLEGAL&#33;. It doesn&#39;t matter if the P2P program itself is legal in this case, it&#39;s the actual use it&#39;s being put to that&#39;s illegal.

The original Kazaa program is &#33;LEGAL&#33;, as it&#39;s (supposed) purpose is for sharing &#33;LEGAL&#33; files via P2P connection&#39;s. The program itself does &#33;NOT&#33; become &#33;ILLEGAL&#33; when the files being shared/transmitted over the connection are &#33;ILLEGAL&#33; files, just the act of sending/recieving those files is the &#33;ILLEGAL&#33; act in that case.

Kazaa Lite &#33;IS ILLEGAL&#33; due to it breaking the EULA of Sharman network&#39;s by modifying the original file without their authorization.

Ok, that&#39;s not as simple as I intended, but I hope it help&#39;s clear thing&#39;s up and is actually accurate lol ;-)

Sniper.

[Rat Faced]

In answer to the original question...

Yes, there is new UK copyright Law that makes downloading copyrighted material illegal (before this, it was only uploading that was illegal).

However, you must read this in conjunction with IT/Communications law.

In the UK, monitoring someones communications, including the internet, is illegal for everyone except the Security Services...without a Court Order.

In other words.... the act is illegal, however gathering the evidence to prosecute is also illegal.



To everyone else...

Talking about the legality of Kazaa and K-lite is a little daft...as every countries/States laws are different.

In General....Kazaa is legal

K-Lite may be illegal.......depending upon how the country in question defines hacking.

K++ does not alter the source code, so in many places it is perfectly legal.

However, the way that the program is loaded has been changed, and the spyware removed.... in many places it will therefore be illegal.

[crkr]

Following on from the start of this topic read this - relating to the new law

http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5100441.html


Crkr


also

h ttp://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032498.htm

[wormless]

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+31 October 2003 - 19:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 31 October 2003 - 19:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-waveynet@31 October 2003 - 19:56
Of course owning copyrighted material is illegal (you prat)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

no it&#39;s not

if you bought it, it&#39;s yours

kazaa lite is illegal (and always has been, to the best of my knowledge) [/b][/quote]
when someones being nasty to you u just laugh it off well done :lol: :lol: :D

[wormless]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@1 November 2003 - 21:18
In answer to the original question...

Yes, there is new UK copyright Law that makes downloading copyrighted material illegal (before this, it was only uploading that was illegal).

However, you must read this in conjunction with IT/Communications law.

In the UK, monitoring someones communications, including the internet, is illegal for everyone except the Security Services...without a Court Order.

In other words.... the act is illegal, however gathering the evidence to prosecute is also illegal.



To everyone else...

Talking about the legality of Kazaa and K-lite is a little daft...as every countries/States laws are different.

In General....Kazaa is legal

K-Lite may be illegal.......depending upon how the country in question defines hacking.

K++ does not alter the source code, so in many places it is perfectly legal.

However, the way that the program is loaded has been changed, and the spyware removed.... in many places it will therefore be illegal.
amen&#33; i understand fully&#33;