Difference Between Music Sharing & Movie Sharing

[Kevin Phoenix]

As we all know, right now the RIAA has waged war on us as a music loving people. They continue to alienate us more and more with each person they sue. But there are a few people among us who are starting to express concern that the movie genre will be next. I disagree. First off, let's analyze the difference. With music, a CD in stores contains several songs at a time. People who buy CDs tend to only enjoy a couple or so of those songs while the others pretty much go to waste. In short, you don't get your money's worth most of the time, hence why P2P was created.

Now movies on the other hand are sold as DVDs and VHS obviously as singles because a movie is a single thing. If a DVD contained multiple movies in them, then things would be different. But seeing as movies are single items, you can choose the ones you like and buy them. There's really no need for downloading any through P2P networks. And even so, you'd have to have a broadband connection to have any hope of doing so since movie files are huge. Coupled with most movies being in theaters beforehand and getting info on what the movie is about from others, that makes it all the more clear that there is no threat to the MPAA of us sharing movies to even a fraction of the degree we share music. I wouldn't have it any other way anyway. Movie files take up lots of hard drive space rapidly with each movie downloaded and aren't in the same crystal quality as a DVD. I will always buy movies in store because at least with movies, I have a choice. I know that I'll get my money's worth everytime.

So to those who are concerned that the RIAA or MPAA will start targeting movie sharers, I don't see that happening because music and movies on the P2P level are two totally seperate issues. Feedback on what I've said would be appreciated. :)

[Icebound]

with the price of huge harddrives shrinking and more affordable broadband, downloading movies is nothing. there is no "next", all media is being downloaded illegally at an incredible rate. just cause u don't have the bandwidth or hd space, doesn't mean millions others don't. downloading music is NOT older than downloading movies -- it's all the same. the same people that want to burn free music cd's are the same one's that want to burn free movies. why not? u say u choose movies, but most people grow tired of movies before a music cd. before kazaa and napster there was newsgroups and irc. people have been downloading movies for about a decade from these sources. also, previewing music is a lot easier than previewing movies, so to say people would rather blindly purchase a movie is foolish.

keep in mind, however, that people are getting sued for uploading and selling the copyrighted material -- not downloading it. this is how the litigants get sucked into the "unauthorized distribution" of these files.

furthermore, programs like kazaa lite do not help this matter. as bad as it sounds, it is always in ur best interest to just download. NEVER, EVER upload copyrighted movies. these people are severely targeted. ;)

[MagicNakor]

Originally posted by Icebound@1 November 2003 - 09:32
...the same people that want to burn free music cd's are the same one's that want to burn free movies...
I burn music CDs. I don't burn movies. The quality, even of the best DVD rips, doesn't come close to the actual thing, and it's *really* noticable on a television set.

:ninja:

[Adster]

yes the onyl reason the real reason we buy DVDs and not cds is coz we can't really get the same quality out of downlaoding DVDs then we do with music if we could downlaod DVDs and get the same quality as a DVD we by like our audio cds then movie DVD buying would drop.

now the poin tof choiseing good point if we could walk into a music store and choose different songs from each albums and have them put onto 1 cd whcih we can buy for 30 bucks more ppl would buy them.

better then paying for a wingle for 10 bucks 1 song its ridiculous and all you get is a couble of B sides tracks that don't even make the album to go with it.

[MagicNakor]

I don't know, I'd still buy DVDs. The extras are nice.

I still buy CDs, but at a far lesser rate.

:ninja:

[Adster]

good point the extras and special features are good to have.

[Icebound]

all very good points, but i was just letting him know that movies aren't next as in it's been happening forever

[vivitron 15]

Originally posted by Icebound@1 November 2003 - 08:32
it is always in ur best interest to just download. NEVER, EVER upload copyrighted movies. these people are severely targeted. ;)
I could never promote or advertise this, its just plain wrong...if you wont ul then dont dl its that simple


and the MPAA is going after movie sharers, sending out C&D letters

[junkyardking]

Originally posted by Adster@1 November 2003 - 10:50
yes the onyl reason the real reason we buy DVDs and not cds is coz we can't really get the same quality out of downlaoding DVDs then we do with music if we could downlaod DVDs and get the same quality as a DVD we by like our audio cds then movie DVD buying would drop.

now the poin tof choiseing good point if we could walk into a music store and choose different songs from each albums and have them put onto 1 cd whcih we can buy for 30 bucks more ppl would buy them.

better then paying for a wingle for 10 bucks 1 song its ridiculous and all you get is a couble of B sides tracks that don't even make the album to go with it.
With broadband speed increasing and the prices dropping, it's only time before dvd-r images become mainstream, and with new dvd technologies already developed it wont be long before we see 1:1 copies of dvd's that are over the 4.3gb level, as for dvd rips i dont mind them especialy as i have a dvd player that plays mpeg4/divx/xvid straight on to the tv.

[Kevin Phoenix]

Originally posted by Icebound@1 November 2003 - 17:34
all very good points, but i was just letting him know that movies aren't next as in it's been happening forever
Another good reason why I prefer buying the DVDs is the extras and commentary you can listen to with many of them. Ice, I disagree with your statement. I never once said that movie downloading wasn't around as long as music downloading. I said the ratio is smaller than that of music sharers. I mean think about it. How often do YOU (maybe not you specifically Ice) download music files in relation to movie files? Hard drives and broadband may be getting cheaper. But music sharing is much more frequently used than movie sharing. And listen to what MagicNakor said. Even the best DVD rips have suckass quality in comparison. The few times I did download a movie, it was only to satisfy my enjoyment of that movie. Once it came out on DVD, I am quick to run out and buy it and then delete the movie file off my hard drive to free up space. And might I add, assuming you're one of the people who uses a single large hard drive, (I personally don't, I use 2) the more you fill it up with data, the slower your computer gets. And I know this from experience. I build computers for a living so I know. So unless your computer is top of the line with a lot more memory than what is needed, it's going to slow down over time as you download stuff.

As for those who are burning these movies onto a DVD-R CD, good for them. But watching a downloaded movie with less-than-true DVD quality for so long, it's going to give you the itch to want it in the quality it's meant to be in. And it will be a long time, if there even is such a time, before movie sharing becomes as much a threat to the Dollar Almighty companies as music sharing has.

There may be C & D letters going around to movie sharers, but the overall level of action taken against those people is child's play compared to what the RIAA is currently doing. I have yet to read any public news about someone getting sued for movie copyright infringement. And I keep my eye on the news all the time. Even if that has happened, which I'm sure it has, it hasn't become mainstream news like the RIAA battle has.

[Kevin Phoenix]

Oh and before I forget, the higher the quality of the movie ripped off a DVD, the larger the file size gets. And it gets larger really fast. As for simply copying movies from a DVD to a DVD-R, that kind of sharing is nothing compared to P2P sharing.

[Adster]

and lets not forget ppl who have a download cap like me can't be bothered downloading a 4.5 gig image for DVD ;)

[ajoh]

I would just like to post that I am currently being sued by the MPAA. I do not (intentionally) distribute movies. I usually have about 5 in my shared folder at any given time because I use emule which makes parts of a file shared before you finish downloading them so there is no way NOT to share. Anyway just a heads up that its not just the RIAA anymore. BTW I am online with Comcast Cable Internet in New England region in the USA.

[Sid Hartha]

Originally posted by ajoh@4 November 2003 - 15:38
I would just like to post that I am currently being sued by the MPAA...
:o
could you please elaborate?

[ajoh]

I don't have all the details yet but i recently received a letter in the mail from my isp saying that I was found sharing files.
It said legal action will be taken on behalf of the MPAA.
At the bottom it listed a Sum.of.All.Fears.DVDRip.DcN.avi, said I was using the eDonkey network (i was using eMule) the time, and the date that this was found.
It said that I will be contacted shortly.

[internet.news]

the MPAA can kiss my ass!! (just some thoughts don't worry!)

if they would sue me I will tell them - and try to tell them and as most as possible
newspapers that there is more behind sharing (look in my signature :)

~~~ MPAA ---- Music Pirates Association in America ~~~~

MPAA sounds something like Music Pirates...

... RIAA sounds more like IRA... That is really extraordinary and concerning...

[Kevin Phoenix]

Originally posted by ajoh@4 November 2003 - 17:55
I don't have all the details yet but i recently received a letter in the mail from my isp saying that I was found sharing files.
It said legal action will be taken on behalf of the MPAA.
At the bottom it listed a Sum.of.All.Fears.DVDRip.DcN.avi, said I was using the eDonkey network (i was using eMule) the time, and the date that this was found.
It said that I will be contacted shortly.
Sounds like you may have a legitimate defense against them if you were using something else. Who knows. But man, that sucks to hear. I do take it back aboutu what I said about not knowing about any publics news of movie copyright infingement. There was that Terminator 3 incident of someone somehow releasing a copy of it before it even hit theaters.

[DasScoot]

Originally posted by ajoh@4 November 2003 - 15:38
I would just like to post that I am currently being sued by the MPAA. I do not (intentionally) distribute movies. I usually have about 5 in my shared folder at any given time because I use emule which makes parts of a file shared before you finish downloading them so there is no way NOT to share. Anyway just a heads up that its not just the RIAA anymore. BTW I am online with Comcast Cable Internet in New England region in the USA.
Sucks, but that's why I refuse to download 'hot' items like movies from sources I don't trust to protect my identity (like K-Lite or personal ftps).


I've been hearing TONS of stories about people getting letters from the MPAA, it's possible that they've hit as many people as the RIAA, and just been quieter about it.

[Switeck]

Originally posted by DasScoot@5 November 2003 - 00:51
I've been hearing TONS of stories about people getting letters from the MPAA, it's possible that they've hit as many people as the RIAA, and just been quieter about it.
MPAA usually just sends out C&D (Cease and Desist) notices.
If you quit within a day of getting such a notice, they (try to) check back later but don't pursue any further legal means if they don't see you still sharing/downloading file/s in question.

ISPs often have a 3-strikes and they disconnect you rule. If you get 3 C&D's in a year (or ever...), they cancel your connection.

[Formula1]

Originally posted by ajoh@4 November 2003 - 17:55
I don't have all the details yet but i recently received a letter in the mail from my isp saying that I was found sharing files.
It said legal action will be taken on behalf of the MPAA.
At the bottom it listed a Sum.of.All.Fears.DVDRip.DcN.avi, said I was using the eDonkey network (i was using eMule) the time, and the date that this was found.
It said that I will be contacted shortly.
Damn that really sucks. Well right now I am only using kazaa lite to download and share files , because of its ip blocker thing, and i am also using bittorent. Well msn8 is my Isp provider and they arent supporting the riaa to hunt down file sharers , w00t for me :ph34r:

[alextreme]

Well since I don't live in the US I don't have to worry about RIAA or MPAA :D
right??? :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

[d8888]

This is my suggestion on how to stay safe:

1.Get a firewall program

Go to www.zonelabs.com and download ZoneAlarm Free version
This will defense against batch scanning program.

A person using Imesh successfully protect himself against MPAA's agent using ZoneAlarm
(Before using ZoneAlarm:D&C ticket
After using ZoneAlarm:No D&C ticket)

2.Hide behind a SOCKS5 proxy

If MPAA download from you and grab your IP,this will help.
If no SOCKS5 proxy available,try using TCP2HTTP which can help you hide behind a HTTP proxy.

3.Get Steganos Anonym,Evidence eliminator and Norton System Works

If you are sued......

There is a function in Steganos which is called "File Shredder" which can overwrite a file tons of times(Choose "Multiple") while destroying original file size,date,etc.

Shred infringing file immediately!

IF YOU DO NOT "SHRED" DATA YOU WANT TO DESTROY,DATA CAN BE RECOVERED EVEN YOU EMPTY YOUR RECYCLE BIN OR EVEN FORMAT YOUR HARD DISK.SHREDDING FILE IS THE ONLY WAY TO REMOVE DATA COMPLETELY!DELETING FILE DIRECTLY IS *EXTREAMLY* STUPID

Then use Norton Wipe Info to completely overwrite the whole hard disk ,do it for a lot of times.

After doing this,even the FBI can't recover any data from your hard drive

Method 1 and 2 can make you *safer*(Can't defend against pro hackers or package sniffing)

Method 3 can destroy evidence completely.

This is my suggestion.
and sorry for my poor English.
(I live in Taiwan ^_^)