Expedition Claims Finding Ark On Ararat

[sharedholder]

Expedition Claims Finding Ark On Ararat

MOSCOW (ANSA) -- An expedition organized by the Russian "Unknown Planet" association claimed having discovered Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat.

The news was broken by mission director Andrey Polyakov, a linguist and documentaryist, at the "Unknown Planet" website, which makes films on Earth mysteries, as well as in an interview with the Russian press.

In the past, specialists had claimed that the remains of Noah's Ark--an enormous petrified wood structure which corresponded to the measurements given in the Bible, had been photographed from space.

Polyakov claims having obtained authorization from Turkish authorities for ascending Ararat, which is closed due to security reasons. "The Ark is not on Ararat's summit, but rather some 30 kilometers away," he noted. "The Bible itself states that it wasn't on Ararat, but in the Mountains of Ararat."

"It's an enormous petrified wood structure, 150 meters long, 25 wide, and 15 tall, resembling a vessel as large as a football field," he added.

Polyakov added that the expedition found traces of enormous rocks which could have been "anchors". "But there are so many that one could think of a flotilla of ships, rather than a single vessel." According to Kurdish sources cited by Polyakov, after a tremendous earthquake in 1948, the ship was severed in two halves--one of which points upward with a height of 2 meters. The other remains buried. "It is now a matter for academics to determine with certainty if it is indeed the Ark," said the researcher, who announced an upcoming mission to the zone.

SOURCE (http://www.unknownplanet.ru/expeditions_kovcheg_eng.shtml)

[billyfridge]

Very interesting Sharedholder, i'm going to watch this topic. with todays technology
could be very interesting. might prove something in bible is true. :)

[ZaZu]

Again? Didn't someone find the ARK on Ararat years ago? :huh:

[MediaSlayer]

I was thinking the same thing ZaZu. :blink:

[hobbes]

I think it was on National Geographic or something many years back. They pointed to this obscure thing by some rocks. They claimed that the local government would not permit them access to the actual area, so they couldn't get any closer.

I guess they have access now.

[MagicNakor]

Indeed, I saw this a number of years ago. I'm sure National Geographic'll have an article on the results.

:ninja:

[j2k4]

I can see it now:

The "Secularization" of the story of Noah and his Ark!

The de-mystification process will begin in, oh, a week or two, I would imagine.... ;)


MN-Am I being too cynical?

I figure you'll tell me the truth, being Canadian and all. :)

[MagicNakor]

I've never been to Mount Ararat, so I can't tell you. ;)

I'll send an agent on the Geographic team.

:ninja:

[j2k4]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@4 November 2003 - 01:52
I've never been to Mount Ararat, so I can't tell you. ;)

I'll send an agent on the Geographic team.

:ninja:
Wow. :o

You really are all-powerful. :)

'Night.

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@4 November 2003 - 01:46
Indeed, I saw this a number of years ago. I'm sure National Geographic'll have an article on the results.

:ninja:
Yes you are right. It is a strange rock formation...

[Billy_Dean]

This is another load of bollocks to sell a book. There was no ark, there was no Noah, there is no fucking god.


:)

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@4 November 2003 - 07:42
This is another load of bollocks to sell a book. There was no ark, there was no Noah, there is no fucking god.


:)
He said, with a smile 'pon his face.

[Billy_Dean]

It comes quite easy when you're pissed. (that's drunk to you)


:)

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@4 November 2003 - 09:36
It comes quite easy when you're pissed. (that's drunk to you)


:)
I know that, Billy.

Mornin'.

Or 'Night.

WTF time is it in Cairns, anyway? 0836 here.

I'm off to court, now-wish me luck.

[Billy_Dean]

Good luck in court J2, I hope they go easy on you.



:)

[j2k4]

Thanks, I'm sure they will; I'm conservative, after all. ;)

[Billy_Dean]

Does that afford you special privilages? Early parole maybe?


:)

[ilw]

Originally posted by j2k4@4 November 2003 - 13:38
I'm off to court, now-wish me luck.
Are you the defendant, plaintiff witness, lawyer or ...... judge? :blink: thats a scary thought :D

[j2k4]

I was the defendant.

Ah, to live in a town so small, you can go to court and be done and home in 30 minutes.

In a nutshell:

I have a massive medical bill pending (due to my heart "event" 18 months ago); $40,000, and the hospital thought I wasn't paying fast enough.

Even though I make regular payments, they wanted $800/month, or have me file bankruptcy, to get me off their books-I insist on paying my bill rather than bankruptcy, so a judge interceded on my behalf in order that a realistic payment be ordered, and to stop them threatening to take away everything I own.

I feel better than I did 2 hours ago, for sure. :)

[ilw]

congrats :D

[j2k4]

Originally posted by ilw@4 November 2003 - 12:03
congrats :D
Thanks! :)

[billyfridge]

Originally posted by j2k4@4 November 2003 - 15:59
I was the defendant.

Ah, to live in a town so small, you can go to court and be done and home in 30 minutes.

In a nutshell:

I have a massive medical bill pending (due to my heart "event" 18 months ago); $40,000, and the hospital thought I wasn't paying fast enough.

Even though I make regular payments, they wanted $800/month, or have me file bankruptcy, to get me off their books-I insist on paying my bill rather than bankruptcy, so a judge interceded on my behalf in order that a realistic payment be ordered, and to stop them threatening to take away everything I own.

I feel better than I did 2 hours ago, for sure. :)
I'ts good to see courts give the little guy a chance rather than the big guys winning all the time. do you have legal aid in the US? legal aid in UK is money help if you have none.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by billyfridge+4 November 2003 - 18:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (billyfridge &#064; 4 November 2003 - 18:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-j2k4@4 November 2003 - 15:59
I was the defendant.

Ah, to live in a town so small, you can go to court and be done and home in 30 minutes.

In a nutshell:

I have a massive medical bill pending (due to my heart "event" 18 months ago); &#036;40,000, and the hospital thought I wasn&#39;t paying fast enough.

Even though I make regular payments, they wanted &#036;800/month, or have me file bankruptcy, to get me off their books-I insist on paying my bill rather than bankruptcy, so a judge interceded on my behalf in order that a realistic payment be ordered, and to stop them threatening to take away everything I own.

I feel better than I did 2 hours ago, for sure. :)
I&#39;ts good to see courts give the little guy a chance rather than the big guys winning all the time. do you have legal aid in the US? legal aid in UK is money help if you have none. [/b][/quote]
I was appreciative, and also expectant of, the judge&#39;s decision.

Quite heartened to have it work out as I felt that it should-sensibly.

There are certain programs that can be accessed, and I tried these, but, though I make very little money currently, it was too much in one instance, and in another my assets ( :lol: :lol: :lol: ) were deemed too great.

I seem to be mired in a non-existent demographic. :huh:


Edit: addenda-

An interesting aside-About 8 years ago I was much more gainfully employed, with great insurance, etc.; I traveled quite a bit for my job, and it occurred that I chipped a bone in my elbow during some after hours activity that, while totally legal, would have been looked upon by my employer as a bit questionable.

I visited a small-town clinic (modern facility) for x-rays, etc., and after diagnosis attempted to pay my bill in cash, to avoid detection and unpleasantness with my job.

The receptionist had to admit to me she had no method or system for accepting cash payment.

The doctor was called to settle the dilemma, and he told the receptionist to go get a cup of coffee, whereupon he took my cash, pocketed it, and bade me "Good Day". :)

[MagicNakor]

Just because it&#39;s legal in Vegas... ;)

Government programs really need to be rethought in some cases. I&#39;m not eligable for any monetary assistance from the government because my assets are too great also. It would be nice to know which assets these are, because I sure the hell don&#39;t see them. ;)

:ninja:

[imnotanaddict]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@4 November 2003 - 11:42
This is another load of bollocks to sell a book.&nbsp; There was no ark, there was no Noah, there is no fucking god.


:)
Cynicism or narrow-minded? or both?



http://home.earthlink.net/~misaak/guide/CH/CH500.html

Claim CH500:
There have been many sightings of Noah&#39;s Ark:


Berosus, c. 275 B.C., reports remains of it in the mountains of the Gordyaeans in Armenia. [p. 15]
Flavius Josephus mentions remains of the Ark on Baris. [16-17]
Several writers tell of St. Jacob of Medzpin, who persistently tried to climb Ararat. Angels commanded him to stop trying but brought him a plank from the Ark. [17-21]
Several accounts through history suggest that Armenians have knowledge of and wood from the Ark. [21-22]
In 1952, Harold Williams wrote a story told by Haji Yearam in 1916. According to the story, Yearam helped guide three scientists to the Ark in 1856. Upon finding the Ark sticking out of a glacier near the summit, the scientists flew into a rage and tried futilely to destroy it. Then they took an oath to keep the discovery a secret and murder anyone who revealed it. About 1918, Williams saw a newspaper article giving a scientist&#39;s deathbed confession, which corroborated Yearam&#39;s story. [43-48]
In 1876, English explorer James Bryce found a four-foot long hand-tooled piece of wood on Ararat at the 13,000 feet level. [51-55]
In 1883, a Turkish commission surveying Ararat for possible avalanche conditions found part of the Ark protruding 20 or 30 feet from the foot of a glacier. [56-58]
In 1887, on his third attempt to find the Ark, Prince Nouri of Bhagdad found it on the higher peaks of Ararat. [64-67]
In 1908 and again in 1910, a local Armenian Georgie Hagopian, then just a boy, visited the Ark with his uncle. The Ark was on the edge of a cliff; its wood was like stone. [69-72]
In 1916, a story by Vladimir Roskovitsky told how he and other Russian aviators sighted the Ark, nearly intact, grounded on the shore of a lake on Ararat. An expedition reached the Ark about a month later. Photographs and plans were sent to the Czar, but the Bolsheviks overthrew the Czar a few days later, and the evidence was lost. Later testimony revealed that that account was 95% fiction, but other Russian soldiers have told of hearing of an expedition which discovered Noah&#39;s Ark in 1917. [76-87]
Six Turkish soldiers climbed Ararat and saw the Ark in 1916. [90-92]
A monestary at Echmiazin hosts a piece of wood reputedly from the Ark. [93-97]
While lost on Ararat in 1936, Hardwicke Knight found timbers of dark, soft wood. [98-101]
Two American pilots saw the Ark several times and once brought a photographer along. The photograph appeared in the Tunisian edition of Stars and Stripes in 1943. Many people remembered the article, but no copies remain. [102-107]
Donald Liedmann met a Russian Air Force major in 1938 and 1943 who showed him pictures of the Ark. It was mostly buried in a glacier. The photographs have never been released. [109-112]
In 1948, a Kurdish farmer named Resit reported finding the prow of the Ark about 2/3rds the way up Ararat, protruding from ice. The wood was black and too hard for him to cut off a piece. [115-116]
A 1949 satellite photograph of the Western Plateau of Mt. Ararat shows an elongated box-like object which could be Noah&#39;s Ark. [Morris, 2001]
In 1955, after two unsuccessful searches, Fernand Navarra found hand-hewn wood in the ice at the 13,750 foot level. He retrieved a small sample of the wood. However, even die-hard arkeologists suspect fraud. In 1969, small pieces of wood were found where Navarra directed people to dig. Again, fraud is suspected. [129-134,158-160]
George Green photographed the Ark from a helicopter in 1953, but his pictures aroused no serious interest, and they are now lost. [135-137]
The ERTS satellite photographed Noah&#39;s Ark in 1973, but the satellite&#39;s resolution was insufficient. [203-206]

[Unless noted otherwise, references are to LaHaye & Morris, 1976]
Source:
LaHaye, Tim, and John Morris, 1976. The Ark on Ararat, Thomas Nelson Inc, Nashville and New York.
Morris, John D., 2001 (Feb.). Noah&#39;s Ark remains in the news&#33; Acts & Facts 30(2): 1-3.
Response:
The reports of Ark sightings have in common that none have been corroborated. Most have few if any witnesses. Photographs and newspaper articles disappear, sometimes inexplicably, or they are too vague to be meaningful. Physical evidence either is not retrieved, is faked, or comes from recent wood carried up the mountain. They have the appearance of fables, not fact.


The reports are inconsistent. The ark has been found in different places on the mountain (and on different mountains, if you include earlier accounts). Its condition varies from almost intact to broken in half to only finding isolated timbers. The character of the wood varies from too hard to cut to falling apart. Early accounts make it sound like local residents visited the Ark routinely, while other accounts stress the hardships encountered.


Noah&#39;s Ark is the sort of subject that people would tell stories about. Some people would be motivated by misplaced piety to make up stories. Some have been motivated by money. Others might elaborate a story simply to get attention.

[MusicChick]

It was on Unsolved Mysteries a few years back. :)

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by imnotanaddict
Cynicism or narrow-minded? or both?

Your point?

Tell us there was an ark then; tell us the world was flooded by some god; tell us this Noah guy filled his ark with tens of millions of species; tell us he then returned them to every corner of the earth; tell us you&#39;re sane.

People who believe in this crap have a bloody nerve calling others narrow minded, after all, just how narrow minded can you be?


:)

[AussieSheila]

Originally posted by imnotanaddict+5 November 2003 - 18:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (imnotanaddict &#064; 5 November 2003 - 18:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Billy_Dean@4 November 2003 - 11:42
This is another load of bollocks to sell a book. There was no ark, there was no Noah, there is no fucking god.


:)
Cynicism or narrow-minded? or both?



[/b][/quote]
;) How &#39;bout logical and realistic?

B)

[imnotanaddict]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean+5 November 2003 - 10:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy_Dean @ 5 November 2003 - 10:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-imnotanaddict
Cynicism or narrow-minded? or both?

Your point?

Tell us there was an ark then; tell us the world was flooded by some god; tell us this Noah guy filled his ark with tens of millions of species; tell us he then returned them to every corner of the earth; tell us you&#39;re sane.

People who believe in this crap have a bloody nerve calling others narrow minded, after all, just how narrow minded can you be?


:) [/b][/quote]
I think that reply proves my point. Quite comical really. Because you say something is a load of crap, is your opinion, that does&#39;nt make it fact. Just as my opinion does&#39;nt (whatever that might be). You seem to imply you know my opinion
I mabe should have asked skeptisism or know it all?

[Billy_Dean]

Originally posted by imnotanaddict
Cynicism or narrow-minded? or both?

You made the comment, are you saying now that this is not your opinion? Then why did you post it?

You then followed it up with .... what? Nothing&#33;&#33; That was your proof?



:)

[ilw]

While i don&#39;t believe there was ever a worldwide flood as described in the bible or that 2 of every species were safely kept on a boat, I don&#39;t dismiss the idea that there may be some basis for the story and that this discovery on Ararat, might be evidence. I am however, skeptical that this boat or rock formation is anything, the little i&#39;ve read about it hasn&#39;t been too convincing.

narrowminded = intolerant of views and beliefs that differ from your own. Seems like a fair comment (just looking at the original post).

[imnotanaddict]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean@4 November 2003 - 11:42
This is another load of bollocks to sell a book. There was no ark, there was no Noah, there is no fucking god.


:)
My opinion since you ask is:
Keeping an open mind and trying not to be too cynical.
I try not to be a religous fanatic or a anti-religous fanatic.
Your statement " there is no fucking god." implies that you know that to be a fact.
That is your opinion and nothing more with cynical overtures, if you don&#39;t agree with that, in my opion your close-minded. The End.

[jetje]

The ark was already found long time ago, somewhere in the thirties.
It was a close race cause the German war industry wanted to have it to, because of the special powers it should have...

I have some pictures to prove it&#33;

the ark
http://members.home.nl/admit/_1%20-%20ark.jpg

The guy that dicovered it
http://members.home.nl/admit/_1%20-%20finder%20ark.jpg

the germans that were after it&#33;
http://members.home.nl/admit/1_evil%20germans%20who%20tried%20to%20steal%20ark.jpg

[thewizeard]

Yes jetje, very interesting, those red crosses&#33;

[AussieSheila]

;)@ jetje. Oh okay it must be true then. All I needed to convince me were some red crosses.

Oh good, nigel123, it&#39;s not just me then. :rolleyes:

It beats the crap outta me how otherwise seemingly intelligent people swallow that stuff without question. Faith is a truly amazing thing.

B)

[jetje]

replaced red crosses... ;) so now it&#39;s all proved~ :lol:

[AussieSheila]

:lol: Damn&#33; You&#39;re right&#33; Where was my head at?

:P :D :lol:

[Biggles]

Billy

I am not sure whether the presence of a wooden structure in the Eastern mountains of Turkey or Armenia is really relevant to any theological debate.

Jericho is mentioned in the Bible and it exists. The mere act of visiting present day Jericho proves nothing one way or another as to the existence or otherwise of God.

There are numerous flood myths common to the Middle East, the Epic of Gilgamesh being the oldest on record to date. After the last Ice Age there was serious flooding and most coastal habitations would have been lost over the following decades of rising seas and heavy rains. Whether this would have resulted in a boat resting in the mountains seems unlikely, but anything is, I dare say, possible.

What I would say regarding boats on Ararat is it is remarkable for an object of so many sightings to have so little substantiated evidence. Nevertheless, that region is the cradle of Western civilisation and there are probably many archaeological discoveries awaiting us - even if they do not turn out to be boats.

I think we may have talked about this before, but religion exits in faith not archaeology. No amount of bits and bobs dug up from the ground is likely to favour one argument over another. Even if an Ark was found with grafitti carved in the timbers saying "Noah was here" all that would be authenticated is that a man called Noah existed and built a boat much smaller than boats we can build now. It would not even begin to explain the differentiated species, for example, hopping around your new homeland.

Now if they discover a ship like the one Mulder discovered in the X-Files well that would set a cat or two amongst all sorts of birds - but I suspect that may be a long shot too. :)

[Billy_Dean]

You&#39;re absolutely right Biggles. But what amuses me is the extraordinary lengths this god goes to to achieve his aims. He supposedly created the universe, and everything in it. Without looking up statistics, and writing from (an ageing) memory, that would be around 4 billion gallaxies, each containing 4 billion stars, (give or take), and only he knows how many planets. So he gets the shits with humans, and wants to wipe them out. Easy, you would think. But no, he gets someone to build a ship that takes ?years to construct, fills it with two of every species, then makes it rain for 40 days and 40 nights, till the whole world is flooded. He then returns said creatures back to their rightful places on the earth. And people believe it&#33; Incredible&#33;

BTW, didn&#39;t the last ice age finish 20,000 years ago? I doubt there were many ships&#092;boats around at that time.


:)

[j2k4]

It is said, Billy, that He moves in mysterious ways. ;)

[hobbes]

Any follow-up on this?

[MagicNakor]

Expeditions take a while. If I knew the name of a Russian archelogical magazine, I could see if there&#39;s a follow-up, although the transliteration may take me longer than the expedition itself. ;)

:ninja:

[hobbes]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@14 January 2004 - 04:27
Expeditions take a while. If I knew the name of a Russian archelogical magazine, I could see if there&#39;s a follow-up, although the transliteration may take me longer than the expedition itself. ;)

:ninja:
Sure they take a while, I understand that.

Considering that the Ark was a closed vessel, I really don&#39;t think I would have wanted to be on the "poop deck".

[clocker]

Originally posted by hobbes@13 January 2004 - 21:13


Considering that the Ark was a closed vessel, I really don&#39;t think I would have wanted to be on the "poop deck".
Given your well known aversion to toilets, wouldn&#39;t any area you happened to inhabit be a "poop deck"?

[hobbes]

Originally posted by clocker+14 January 2004 - 05:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker &#064; 14 January 2004 - 05:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@13 January 2004 - 21:13


Considering that the Ark was a closed vessel, I really don&#39;t think I would have wanted to be on the "poop deck".
Given your well known aversion to toilets, wouldn&#39;t any area you happened to inhabit be a "poop deck"?[/b][/quote]
Have I been pwned, at all, as the internet kiddies like to say. The avatar is a delightful "coup de grace".

[cpt_azad]

just talked to my muslim friend and he pointed out that Noah&#39;s Ark was also a significant thing to the muslims, don&#39;t know if it&#39;s written in the quran will look into it. the bible and quran and torah share some of the same stories, interesting.