Ipv6 working in Windows 7 / Windows 2008 for FREE usenet without 3rd party software.

[rdtphd]

THE WHY

Okay this is made b/c Cabalo (http://filesharingtalk.com/members/158277-Cabalo) sparked my interest. He read my ubuntu usenet tut and then asked about what about for windows 7. the ubuntu guide is here.
Ubuntu Lucid (linux) + Sabnzbplus + miredo (ipv6) + FREE usenet + auto download (http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/422875-Ubuntu-Lucid-(linux)-Sabnzbplus-miredo-(ipv6)-FREE-usenet-auto-download)

Now i guess in linux u can consider miredo 3rd party and it is but its not like having to sign up for a tunnelbroker or run go6 on windows. It runs at system boot and is seemless your ipv6 usenet servers just works... at least for me. I'm sitting behind a verizon dsl modem(westell b90 ???) then a featureless router(d-link DI524), a ddwrt(Net Gear WNR834bv2) broadcasting wireless N to a second ddwrt(Net Gear WNR834bv2) router receiving that wireless N and rebroadcasting it in my house at wireless G and behind all those stacked Ubuntu and miredo work just fine for free ipv6 usenet. So miredo for linux is teredo's equivalent from windows. I think teredo should be able to do the same job with the correct settings.


What can my linux box do that your win7 can't? I hope to show NOTHING =)

THE PROBLEM
If you have your PC plugged straight into your modem then setup without 3rd party software can be done pretty easy. If you are behind a router, specifically not a ipv6 friendly router your setup is much harder and usually consists of signing up for some tunnel broker or using gogo6 client software to tunnel through your NAT(created by your router) and give you ipv6 connectivity to the internet.
Here is some of the articles I have read and they all give me the notion that its possible to setup in windows natively.
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itpronetworking/thread/096622d4-3f63-4fd7-9b28-cab3766bd2d1

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=CE286032-4DF0-4D53-A21E-1590E9280FEF&displaylang=en

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itpronetworking/thread/6bd4a796-88dd-462f-ac83-2802db7f2869

http://pugio.net/2007/07/howto-enable-ipv6-the-teredo-w.html

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc4380.html this one is a lot of reading on how teredo works.

http://yorickdowne.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/ipv6-at-home-part-1-overview-teredo/ articles on forcing teredo sounds promising
And now combined with the one above bingo.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+IPv6+%2F+Tered...ta+SP2+x86&l=1 (http://filesharingtalk.com/external/?http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+IPv6+%2F+Teredo+connectivity+on+Vista+SP2+x86&l=1) its the first link

thats my reading so far well my relavent reading so far. I will mess with it more on monday and update this post. i did take my win box to a wired internet connection so i can test. but im out for the weekend and ill only have my ubuntu laptop.

So far from my reading i have found that there are several types of NATs and depending on your type will vary the difficulty of the process of getting the tunneling working. I know that hexago go6 is a working method and will post my luck with it but i want to get ipv6 working without 3rd party software. My thought/belief so far from research is it depends on your modem/router software and how it handles your NAT so there might end out being more requirements than just settings on your win box. Still dunno about this.

Quick Guide
For vista and 7 and server 2008+
step 1.
get your LAN IP address. should be 192.168. .... something like that. For this guides lets assume its 192.168.1.100
Take that number to this website and convert it to ipv6 format.
http://ip-lookup.net/conversion.php
for 192.168.1.100 it converts to 2002:C0A8:164::

step 2.
Open network and sharing center>change adapter settings>(select the network adapter that connects you to the internet)>properties>internet protocol version 6 (tcp/ipv6)>properties.

If you find that you now have a window that you can set the ipv6 address of your machine. put the ipv6 address you converted to from step one in to the ipv6 address box right under that set the subnet to 48 do not specify a gateway.

* note if you can ping ipv6 websites but can view them in the browser the problem might be that you need to setup an ipv6 DNS server. One that works is Google ipv6 DNS. http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using.html#setup

click ok.close.close. u can exit from the network connections window as well.

step 3.
open an administrator cmd window. if your user account is admin thats all you need. go to the start menu and in the search box type
cmd now that you have a command window type

netsh int ipv6 show teredo enter to look at the current state if its not enterpriseclient make it so with

netsh interface teredo set state enterprisecliententer. then

netsh int ipv6 show teredo now it should be interprise.

route printfind the number of the interface listed as "teredo tunneling Pseudo-Interface" in my case its 49 so replace the number with your number.

netsh interface ipv6 add route ::/0 interface=49Thats it except it buggy see if you can

ping ipv6.google.comor http://wattcher.015.info/check-ipv6-refresh.html(If you have source code for this site I'd love to have it =).)
http://test-ipv6.com/ to check the connectivity.
It seems to drop out sometimes on me and all i do is cmd

netsh interface ipv6 add route ::/0 interface=49again and it works again.

[Cabalo]

Nice post once again.
I'm eagerly waiting for an explanation how to use 3rd party software on windows to achieve IPv6 tunneling.

[rdtphd]

i am having some success from following what i have found from other places. ill report in now with this link that helped to get it working

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+IPv6+%2F+Teredo+connectivity+on+Vista+SP2+x86&l=1

By following the instructions here I can get ipv6 to work in mt internet browser and i can browse to ipv6.google.com and i can ping ipv6.google.com but i cannot ping reader.ipv6.xsnews.com. I get request timed out. So this I think is a matter of getting the routing correct for the server addresses and then I think ipv6 will work without any 3rd party software.

Is nobody but Cabalo interested in this? I would write a guide once i finish if its working good but so far no support.
(http://lmgtfy.com/search?btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky&q=+IPv6+%2F+Teredo+connectivity+on+Vista+SP2+x86&l=1)

[Cabalo]

I'm sure a lot of people will be interested once they know they have full news access using IPv6 ;)

[rdtphd]

i need some help from somebody that knows how to setup routing tables in windows. Right now its just got me confused. I can browse ipv6 only websites and can ping them, but i cant ping the ipv6 usenet servers it doesn't make sense. have ipv6 address on the net and ipv6 name resolving but still no usenet, I'm only trying xsnews.nl and newszilla which are the 2 free ipv6 servers. Linux+miredo is still one up on Windows+teredo

I have connected to xsnews.nl only using windows 7 no additional software from behind a nat. The router i have is not ipv6 compatible so there is some success the only problem is there where zero changes from when it was not working to know when it is working. Soooo. thats a little hiccup to be dealt with. Maybe i just needed to give it time.

close to proof as i can get. sorry for the bad looking image it autoresizes. click it for the full size
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/50race/stuff/ac74db93.png (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/50race/stuff/ac74db93.png)

I guess ill say its buggy. but who cares its free and go6 is buggy too. i'll make a guide soon i figure it out the best i can.

I made a screen of it downloading for more proof. dont mind the slow speed that is my max internet speed atm. 1.5mbit~170kb/s. also a nice note here is that using free ipv6 from xsnews is connecting you to astraweb servers (=
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/50race/stuff/7944e535.png (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/50race/stuff/7944e535.png)

anybody else getting interested yet =) maybe ill just PM the info to Cabalo

also to be made clear I hold no special knowledge about how stuff works or programming. I got this to work with minimal knowledge of home networking and using google.com learning how to conduct a search on google is the best thing you can learn. In this case it took some serious googling and with the right search terms answers did popup. I still cant believe the answer was on slickdeals I browse that site all the time but for deals not how to setup my ipv6. So I might title it something like "slickdeals.net brings you ipv6 connectivity"

[Tutela]

I am interested too, I just don't have time to actually give it a try. I wil try it out over the next two or three days and let you know how I get on.

[rdtphd]

I am annoyed now. I am staying an apartment for a few weeks that only has wireless and ubuntu+miredo wont tunnel through properly but now that I know how to setup Windows+teredo it is working great.

[pip99]

what's the problem ?, your obviously not looking in the right place , its all been covered Right Here on http://filesharingtalk.com forget those external links.

in effect you simply open a cmd cli/shell, type 'ipv6 install' ,to get the dual IPv6 windows stack going and attached on your Ethernet/wireless cards, go and get the go6 ipv4 to ipv6 tunnel app for your OS , add a working ipv6 usenet server or two into SABnzbd+, and be happy.

for instance this thread of several available is good enough.

http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/351624-Free-IPv6-News-Servers-Guide-(NZB-PAR-Newsgroups-Guide)?highlight=ipv6+server

the only time waster is that non of them seem to link directly to the old download go6 page to make it simple to get the needed simple to install and almost forget IPv6 tunnel client....(forget, unless you want to use the GUI to change POP (Point Of Presence out there in the co-location web side sites) to a better served POP for the time of day to get better data throughput etc.

so here you go ;)

http://go6.net/4105/download.asp

notice how theres even an older v5 OpenWRT Client and Beta sources, perhaps some dev HERE will take the time to update them for the V6 and make them useable on the more popular http://www.dd-wrt.com sometime ?

OC it would also be a very good thing if people realized that Usenet used to be essentially free for all , and is the original old school P2p.

so people and especially current dev's might like to also take the time to re-make and add in todays P2p protocols and other ways to get/give binary content, and make a small self contained micro usenet P2p server that all users could install locally and so simply interface with external end user mail servers and commercial usenet servers etc to make their own local micro sized TB usenet collections readily available to all that they give access too and (P2p or whatever) peer with.

the old hamster Free newsserver and mailserver software for single computers http://www.elbiah.de/hamster/ code-base re-factored and brought up to date with multi-threading and other nice things etc would be a very good starting point as an example...

[pip99]

i am having some success from following what i have found from other places. ill report in now with this link that helped to get it working

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+IPv6+%2F+Teredo+connectivity+on+Vista+SP2+x86&l=1

By following the instructions here I can get ipv6 to work in mt internet browser and i can browse to ipv6.google.com and i can ping ipv6.google.com but i cannot ping reader.ipv6.xsnews.com. I get request timed out. So this I think is a matter of getting the routing correct for the server addresses and then I think ipv6 will work without any 3rd party software.

Is nobody but Cabalo interested in this? I would write a guide once i finish if its working good but so far no support.
(http://lmgtfy.com/search?btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky&q=+IPv6+%2F+Teredo+connectivity+on+Vista+SP2+x86&l=1)

thats the thing ;) ALWAYS Check the Obvious first, you typed a wrong URL that is all.

it's
reader.ipv6.xsnews.nl and newszilla6.xs4all.nl but they both have a twist to them, it can be pinged but you need to register on a non English site with one of them i seem to remember to get a free valid user and password emailed to you, its been a long time now but i posted the link and click this word somewhere on here in one of the ipv6 threads if you care to search.

also i just noticed you set 8 connections and that could be causing problems too, as their both FREE and Your not supposed to use More than 4 max connections at any time , so they or more likely their automatic system can kick you off at any time, it seem silly to risk being kicked off and banned from their good free service for the sake of a little more speed sometimes but thats up to you, ipv6 is no good if you dont have any servers out there to actually connect to.

[snap3r]

This is really interesting if what Cabalo says its true then i definitely want to give it a try.I asked a friend to let me try his astraweb today to see what my new ISP can do and as seen here its really awesome
http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/483/0721954988.jpg
But i dont know if this is working on me cuz i have a dial up connection and every time i dial the connection ( restart the computer) i get another ip.If i can make this work ill quit torrenting :lol::lol:

[rdtphd]

@ pip99

what's the problem ?, your obviously not looking in the right place , its all been covered Right Here on http://filesharingtalk.com forget those external links.

in effect you simply open a cmd cli/shell, type 'ipv6 install' ,to get the dual IPv6 windows stack going and attached on your Ethernet/wireless cards, go and get the go6 ipv4 to ipv6 tunnel app for your OS , add a working ipv6 usenet server or two into SABnzbd+, and be happy.

for instance this thread of several available is good enough.

http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/351624-Free-IPv6-News-Servers-Guide-(NZB-PAR-Newsgroups-Guide)?highlight=ipv6+server (http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/351624-Free-IPv6-News-Servers-Guide-%28NZB-PAR-Newsgroups-Guide%29?highlight=ipv6+server)

Hmm your link to another thread is not what im doing here/I have read it b4/I posted in that thread a long time ago but its okay you are obviously not reading enough/understanding before your spreading knowledge of a well known and documented way of getting ipv6 working whereas I am doing something completely different and its stated in the title of the thread. you just didnt get it. NO 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. meaning no go6. this is direct ipv6 via the components built into the operating system WIndows 7. the reason is so you dont have to mess with running an app like go6, you just boot the pc and everything works no hassle after the initial one time setup. Also, yes you found a typo in the post above but that is not what i used in the ping test. 8 connections is allowed through the xsnews free test service. i have seen ppl say anywhere from 3-10 connections on xsnews are allowed. if you use too many sab will show an error and say something about too many connections. xsnews has been decreasing the max number of connections over time, at one point years ago i had 25 connections but i now use 8 and have no problems due to number of connections, not to say in the future the the max number allowed will remain at 8.

[Cabalo]

Some feedback.
It's incredibly easy to setup miredo in linux and then use any news client and access ipv6 servers without having to configure a single parameter. It was way too easy, I couldn't believe it. Ubuntu+Miredo+sabnzbd is by far the easiest solution I've come across with.

1. Install Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features) (It's an operating system, very user friendly, ideal for linux beginners.
2. sudo apt-get miredo (Miredo is used to tunnel IPv6 over UDP through NATs)
3. sudo apt-get sabnzbdplus (probably the most complete usenet client around.)
4. download like a pig

I hadn't tested this earlier as my ubuntu box had experienced some hardware problems, but now I can confirm how stupidly easy it is.

Another solution for those who are too lazy or don't want to risk a dual boot with Windows and Ubuntu, then go for the easy solution. Install VMWare, and run Ubuntu on that virtual machine. You can mess all you want, and that's what I recommend to every single beginner.

As for Windows, I haven't yet found any solution to bypass the router's NAT without a tunnel. The TCP traffic is the problem, and the way I see it, only going for an alternate UDP solution could "trick" the router. It's not that easy on windows, though miredo does a splendid job on .deb .

[snap3r]

Wow i gave it a try one more time and i did it :D it works like a charm
60205
I installed sabnzbd as well and it look ok.I actually like it more than newsleecher.I used this server
newszilla6.xs4all.nl -- IPv6-only from that list i saw in the other guide. 60206
Now i download for free with almost 2 mb/s.Thanks for the guide :D

[Cabalo]

But are you behind any router or just a Modem?

By the way, I'm moving this to the tutorials section. :)

[snap3r]

Im not behind a router nor a modem cuz i changed ISP's with a better one.And yesterday i tried to see if ipv6.google.com is working just for the kicks and surprise it did.So i came back here and try to make it download from usenet using sabnzb.It took me a while but i did it :)
Downloading with 6 mb/s now from free servers with up to 200 days retention :D http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/534/4088060140.png
Also i found this guide http://www.stompfest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9208 on how to tunnel on windows but its of no use to me now.You can also try this solution http://www.sixxs.net/main/ i signup for it yesterday and im waiting for manual confirmation.

[rhemux]

One thing i dont get it
Were do you get Free Usenet?
we still need a free usenet account (just4today)?
Can we download anything regardless of the retention and/or daily bandwith limit ?


whats the difference between windows ipv4 + just4today (10 days retention)
and the linux ipv6 stuff?

[anon]

Were do you get Free Usenet?
we still need a free usenet account (just4today)?

Check the threads in the Newsgroups section.


Can we download anything regardless of the retention and/or daily bandwith limit ?

If the files' age is older than the server's maximum retention, then I doubt you can.

[rhemux]

Ok , i know that ipv4 ip addresses are running out and that the ipv6 is the future
http://www.networkdictionary.com/networking/IPv6vsIPv4.php

but ...can you see the difference in speed and completion from ipv4 to the next-gen one, is it substancial?

regarding to my free usenet questions ...by the importance given to the topic, i thought that a "way" was found to overcome the "restrictions" of the free accounts.

[yamada]

This is very interesting, I'll try when I have time.

[rdtphd]

ipv6 is going to be slower than ipv4 bc there is all the tunneling between the 2 when trying to use ipv6. when/if the tunneling is not required the speed between ipv4 and 6 will be comparable. all the conversion is bogging down the system. I plan to update this again. I lost interest after I got it to work behind a modem+router bc i have a linux server that does all my downloading. Just did it for fun to see if I could get it to work. Windows 7 is pretty sketchy when trying to get this to work. I like seeing that most ppl dont get that this is purely trying to tunnel WITHOUT 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. this means NO go6 no 3rd party tunnelling client.:frusty::frusty::frusty:

[OldIronTits]

Im not behind a router nor a modem cuz i changed ISP's with a better one.And yesterday i tried to see if ipv6.google.com is working just for the kicks and surprise it did.So i came back here and try to make it download from usenet using sabnzb.It took me a while but i did it :)
Downloading with 6 mb/s now from free servers with up to 200 days retention :D http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/534/4088060140.png
Also i found this guide http://www.stompfest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9208 on how to tunnel on windows but its of no use to me now.You can also try this solution http://www.sixxs.net/main/ i signup for it yesterday and im waiting for manual confirmation.

This is my favorite line:
"Im not behind a router nor a modem cuz i changed ISP's with a better one."

[anon]

I think snap3r is from Romania. I've read that at least one ISP there doesn't give you but an Ethernet cable that comes from the exterior and is plugged directly to your network card.

[Stabber]

Im not behind a router nor a modem cuz i changed ISP's with a better one.And yesterday i tried to see if ipv6.google.com is working just for the kicks and surprise it did.So i came back here and try to make it download from usenet using sabnzb.It took me a while but i did it :)
Downloading with 6 mb/s now from free servers with up to 200 days retention :D http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/534/4088060140.png
Also i found this guide http://www.stompfest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9208 on how to tunnel on windows but its of no use to me now.You can also try this solution http://www.sixxs.net/main/ i signup for it yesterday and im waiting for manual confirmation.

This is my favorite line:
"Im not behind a router nor a modem cuz i changed ISP's with a better one."

You will wait for a very long time for that confirmation . The staff there is awful . I tried to signup some times with real info but they never accepted it .

[mjmacky]

I've read that at least one ISP there doesn't give you but an Ethernet cable that comes from the exterior and is plugged directly to your network card.

That's bizarre, how does that work? For that matter, I don't even know how universities do it, since they're always their own ISP.

Edit: I mean, there's always something, you can't just plug into the backbone directly, right?

[anon]

That's bizarre, how does that work? For that matter, I don't even know how universities do it, since they're always their own ISP.

Edit: I mean, there's always something, you can't just plug into the backbone directly, right?

Not into the backbone, as far as I've been told it's a simple Ethernet cable, as if the modem was somewhere outside.

I found it odd too - I don't even know what the advantage for the ISP might be.

[mjmacky]

I found it odd too - I don't even know what the advantage for the ISP might be.

The town can act like one large university dorm

[klaudiu]

I think snap3r is from Romania. I've read that at least one ISP there doesn't give you but an Ethernet cable that comes from the exterior and is plugged directly to your network card.

most of ISPs (if not all) do that there.

[anon]

most of ISPs (if not all) do that there.

That I wasn't aware of. I thought it'd be the exception and not the rule.

[Cabalo]

I think snap3r is from Romania. I've read that at least one ISP there doesn't give you but an Ethernet cable that comes from the exterior and is plugged directly to your network card.

most of ISPs (if not all) do that there.
That explains their terrible international peering. What a bottleneck!

[sandman_1]

Some fiber optic networks don't require a modem, from what I have read.

[mjmacky]

Some fiber optic networks don't require a modem, from what I have read.

Something needs to convert light to digital signal!

[sandman_1]

I agree with ya. How it happens is beyond me. Just for example, I found this:


Do I need a modem with Fiber-to-the-home internet service?
No, your fiber connection does not require a modem. With traditional DSL, phone and Internet service share the same wires inside the home. With fiber-to-the-home, you plug your computer network cable directly into our optical network device, mounted on the outside of your home, and are connected instantly and directly to our network. So, you do not have to purchase a modem.

Source: http://www.directcom.com/eaglemtn/fiber.htm


Call BT and our customer service staff will arrange an install. Unlike DSL or cable internet service, BT’s service does not require a modem. Our fiber optic hi-speed service is pure ethernet and connects directly to the network card in your PC.

Source: http://burlingtontelecom.net/residential_services/internet/faqs.htm