View Full Version : If member of a tracker nominated staff...
mrnobody
10-13-2010, 01:46 AM
as in members voted on idk 1-2 year basis. whoever won the poll would be a mod. would you think the tracker would be a success or would the members kill it?
*let's not get into stuff like "the existing mod is going to cheat the votes". one could always assume someone could be a mod for certain year or whatever. also remember it's voting for moderator not for sysop so sysop can if he desires make it a fair voting.
just wondering about opinions...
i would think it would be a fail
IdolEyes787
10-13-2010, 02:01 AM
Kind of like this thread.
Trackers, like businesses, aren't a democracy and seeing the level of the average member that is just as well.
Btw if you go all democratic then it's only fair that everyone should then get to vote on who gets to be members as well.
Also clearly I'm not half devious enough because it never occurred to me that a staffer would stoop to fixing votes.
1000possibleclaws
10-13-2010, 02:08 AM
Well the most sociable mods aren't necessarily the best ones. I'd think it best to leave it up to the owner's discretion, because you'd have to be an extremely tight community to not have the majority of the votes end up random, amirite?
mrnobody
10-13-2010, 02:11 AM
@IE: can only assume members get to vote on who becomes mod in whatever time basis...and that's about it. let's not get into "do member get to vote on who becomes the next member?" and whatnot. assume it's not a fully democratic system... if that makes you feel better.
Well the most sociable mods aren't necessarily the best ones. I'd think it best to leave it up to the owner's discretion, because you'd have to be an extremely tight community to not have the majority of the votes end up random, amirite?
if you like assume it's an extremely tight community ;)
ca_aok
10-13-2010, 02:22 AM
I think it'd be a disaster, the votes would be hugely split between a bunch of prolific forum posters, and the person who one would be in no way suitable for the job, in many cases.
It'd be interesting if this was done with qualifications or reasons listed. Like coding in X,Y,Z, previously moderated forums, knowledge of encoding (in the case of quality checks on torrents), etc.
IdolEyes787
10-13-2010, 02:51 AM
@IE: can only assume members get to vote on who becomes mod in whatever time basis...and that's about it. let's not get into "do member get to vote on who becomes the next member?" and whatnot. assume it's not a fully democratic system... if that makes you feel better.
It doesn't .Sometimes ice cream does though.
Well the most sociable mods aren't necessarily the best ones. I'd think it best to leave it up to the owner's discretion, because you'd have to be an extremely tight community to not have the majority of the votes end up random, amirite?
if you like assume it's an extremely tight community ;)
There is no such thing a a tight knit community ,that's one of the big myths of "community" torrent trackers.There are a few ( proportionally very few) people that are invested to varying degrees and consequentially they will themselves into falsely believing that the vast amounts of insipid forum spam by the masses means something akin to loyally or true involvement of in the most delusional of cases, caring.
Maybe I'm way off base and a bunch of (largely)teens honestly feel that by belonging to a tracker they are "part of a family"(Lord knows someone is always quick to say something like that :mellow:) and "have each best interests at heart" but if my experience counts for anything I would say that nothing could be further from the truth.
At least ,caring about the other people beyond what them can do for you ,that's what "tight-knit " means to me .
mrnobody
10-13-2010, 02:55 AM
how did i know that Idol would argue about pointless things.
not saying there's any point to this thread either
IdolEyes787
10-13-2010, 03:10 AM
Good point.
They aren't pointless they are only pointless to you which isn't the same thing.
Snigger
Btw I'd just as soon stay out of the bt section entirely if anyone would ever post anything anyplace else.:mellow:
I'd lobby for a philosophy section but I'm not sure that I believe in it.
The average EQ of people who are in private trackers/BT forums is non existent + The average age is around 16,so a democratic system is sure to fail.
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DonkeyPacker
10-13-2010, 03:37 AM
Maybe I'll try this for potential staffers. Hmm...
Quarterquack
10-13-2010, 05:50 AM
as in members voted on idk 1-2 year basis. whoever won the poll would be a mod. would you think the tracker would be a success or would the members kill it?
Obviously this depends on the site in question. Ideally it shouldn't even matter, but realistically with the shape/form of BT the way it currently is, it does. There are respectable/controlled/matured communities where surely some amount of bullshit/cocksucking takes place, and then there are other places where the staff basically actively fight spamming/post-whoring/one word answers. Obviously in the latter kind the idea of having a site like that vote is obscene. The former, established/respectable kind, though, would ideally have more sensible/venerable/apparent choices. When HDBits ran their votes, a lot of people were in favor of Davis for example, so it just goes to show that some communities do have the capacity to pick a healthy candidate for the job. Of course there were other silly names thrown in, but it was nice seeing reasonable suggestions.
Staff interference is a must. Having the website decide from the ground up who gets what will probably create a lot of factions/member/member-group politics that is pointless/unnecessary. The staff would either have to pre-elect some candidates (say about 10-15, after which each candidate explains their previous experience/what they can bring to the table etc.) and then have the member base pick, or have the member base vote for who they think should get it, with the staffers finalizing their own picks based on who they think would work most fluently/integrate themselves the best with the current staffers on the website.
TL;DR: Yes, it can work, on some websites, as long as staff themselves get some control.
There is no such thing a a tight knit community ,that's one of the big myths of "community" torrent trackers.There are a few ( proportionally very few) people that are invested to varying degrees and consequentially they will themselves into falsely believing that the vast amounts of insipid forum spam by the masses means something akin to loyally or true involvement of in the most delusional of cases, caring.
Maybe I'm way off base and a bunch of (largely)teens honestly feel that by belonging to a tracker they are "part of a family"(Lord knows someone is always quick to say something like that :mellow:) and "have each best interests at heart" but if my experience counts for anything I would say that nothing could be further from the truth.
At least ,caring about the other people beyond what them can do for you ,that's what "tight-knit " means to me .
There is no such thing as "there is no such thing." There are rules, and then there are their exceptions, and one of the very few rules without an exception, is the rule that every rule has an exception. I'm not going to argue that threads like "Wood u tap dat shit bro?" are closer to post whoring/incessant spamming/idiocy fulfilling than anything else, and yet, there are tight knit communities/close friends in this BT world. Obviously it would be stupid to assume that a site can boast 3000-6000 members and talk about how close of a community they are/were, much less a site that houses 20,000 members. At the same time, I know what I enjoy, and I've seen other people post similar stuff. I've seen people say they enjoyed UK-T over and over again (it's about a year since they went under now, isn't it), and say that they were a close community. Somewhere on these forums someone noted that they felt like they belonged/had an e-family when they get wished good morning everytime they enter FSC's IRC. TSOL/Caaok both agreed that What.CD's VIP IRC channel was a nice place. Obviously the vast majority of "hang-outs" are utterly pointless and display an utter lack of a true sense of community, yet, here and there, there are litters of semblances of communities/e-families. Obviously they won't ask you if you for your thanksgiving Turkey roasting techniques so they can try it, nor will they ask you for a cup of sugar, neighbour, but sometimes all it takes is to know someone is watching the same movie you are, joking about the same silliness you are, while listening to the same "friend" you share fulfilling his DJ dream on his internet radio, just to feel like you belong/share something nice online with someone.
I'd lobby for a philosophy section but I'm not sure that I believe in it.
I'd join you for that. If you are being serious.
The average EQ of people who are in private trackers/BT forums is non existent
Just wow.
gamesover
10-13-2010, 06:10 AM
Just won't happen period at most trackers. When it comes down to who stays on as staff and who gets promoted, the system is not democratic and will never be. That's because it really is a decision only for a few people, the site owner and maybe a few of the senior sysops/admins. I doubt most trackers would relinquish control over something they need to have a lot of control over. Because your staff can have certain powers depending on how high up they are, you got to be very careful who you pick so you know those powers won't be abused TOO much. Giving mod or admin priviledges can be like giving out toys to antsy kids (how many members would kill to make staff - most of them), people can change when they got some fancy new weapons at their disposal and not a whole lot of restrictions on how they can use them (as long as they don't piss off higher up staff). Plus there's the whole matter of doing thorough history checks on people, you don't want your tracker's rep to be hurt if you accidentally promote someone who has any kinds of blemishes on their record.
If you made promoting a new mod into a vote it would be like electing a class president, a popularity contest really with the candidates promising things and not really changing much. How many student body presidents and vice-presidents actually do anything at their school? A new mod at a tracker won't have any real power to effect anything unless it's cleaning up shit the other staff don't want to deal with, doing maintenance, handling problem members, basically the grunt work.
IdolEyes787
10-13-2010, 01:03 PM
There is no such thing as "there is no such thing." There are rules, and then there are their exceptions, and one of the very few rules without an exception, is the rule that every rule has an exception. ...... :unsure:That probably sounded brilliant in your head.
there are tight knit communities/close friends in this BT world. Obviously it would be stupid to assume that a site can boast 3000-6000 members and talk about how close of a community they are/were, much less a site that houses 20,000 members. At the same time, I know what I enjoy, and I've seen other people post similar stuff. I've seen people say they enjoyed UK-T over and over again (it's about a year since they went under now, isn't it), and say that they were a close community. Somewhere on these forums someone noted that they felt like they belonged/had an e-family when they get wished good morning everytime they enter FSC's IRC. TSOL/Caaok both agreed that What.CD's VIP IRC channel was a nice place. Obviously the vast majority of "hang-outs" are utterly pointless and display an utter lack of a true sense of community, yet, here and there, there are litters of semblances of communities/e-families. ... but sometimes all it takes is to know someone is watching the same movie you are, joking about the same silliness you are, while listening to the same "friend" you share fulfilling his DJ dream on his internet radio, just to feel like you belong/share something nice online with someone.
. I already mentioned in the past that my online e-friend count is 0. I call some people my friends because they have done so in the past with regards to myself, but given the premise that you never really "know" a person, and I could be talking to a pedophile, you can't really have friends online.
again :unsure:
As for the wishing Good Morning ( my postperson does the same thing btw and the checkout cashier always wishes me " a nice day" but I hardly think either instance makes us a community) ever consider the possibility that it's just another more evolved form of "look I'm active" spam as opposed to ,you know, actually meaning it ?
As for the What's VIP channel obvious people there are going to share a lot in common seeing that the requirements to join basically ensure it.Want to ensure a "community " ?Base it on a solid foundation of shared interest and temper it with the same sense of dedication to the site then and you are right you probably will achieve one.But since we are supposedly talking about trackers in the whole here instead of elite little "litters" then statements to the contrary ,I don't really see for general sites , a community happening.
I'd lobby for a philosophy section but I'm not sure that I believe in it.
I'd join you for that. If you are being serious.
Drink several cups of coffee ,reread my statement very carefully and get back to me on that.
How often do you watch adult/porn content online?
* Few times a week
* 37%
* Every day
* 18%
* Few times a month
* 13%
* Barely - few times a year
* 9%
* Few times a day
* 8%
* Once a week
* 8%
* Never
* 7%
Votes: 2,264
it would probably go something like that.
cinephilia
10-13-2010, 08:29 PM
but if my experience counts for anything
no worries, it doesn't.
IdolEyes787
10-13-2010, 08:59 PM
but if my experience counts for anything
no worries, it doesn't.
OK but someone better call the Pope then because it's obviously a miracle that I can find my bathroom in the dark so easily .
Oh you were talking about bt experience ,in that case fair enough.
Rather be able to find my bathroom in the dark anyway.:eyebrows:
bijoy
10-13-2010, 09:39 PM
The average EQ of people who are in private trackers/BT forums is non existent + The average age is around 16,so a democratic system is sure to fail.
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average age is only 16???? Are you kidding?
How often do you watch adult/porn content online?
* Few times a week
* 37%
* Every day
* 18%
* Few times a month
* 13%
* Barely - few times a year
* 9%
* Few times a day
* 8%
* Once a week
* 8%
* Never
* 7%
Votes: 2,264
it would probably go something like that.
LOL
nice example taken from SCC. ;)
Quarterquack
10-14-2010, 02:41 AM
:unsure:That probably sounded brilliant in your head.
Sure, forget the reference. Apparently commenting on how stupid you thought I was took precedence.
"friend"again :unsure:
:unsure:
As for the wishing Good Morning ( my postperson does the same thing btw and the checkout cashier always wishes me " a nice day" but I hardly think either instance makes us a community) ever consider the possibility that it's just another more evolved form of "look I'm active" spam as opposed to ,you know, actually meaning it ?
As for the What's VIP channel obvious people there are going to share a lot in common seeing that the requirements to join basically ensure it.Want to ensure a "community " ?Base it on a solid foundation of shared interest and temper it with the same sense of dedication to the site then and you are right you probably will achieve one.But since we are supposedly talking about trackers in the whole here instead of elite little "litters" then statements to the contrary ,I don't really see for general sites , a community happening.
On the good morning matter: There is one difference. Your postman and yourself probably never have an actual conversation, and he probably does it, because the absence of such a courteous gesture would single him out as unprofessional/uncouth. On the other hand, there is no reason for someone online to single you out, wish you well/good morning, unless they actually want to do so. People randomly smile at one another when they share a funny moment, even if they don't know one another; the same applies to two people caught in the rain having a brief conversation about the weather. Neither of these conversations ventures far, though, for the sole reason that neither of them were intended to do so. On the other hand "friendships"/"community-building conversations" online usually have a fair bit more depth than inane gas or weather talk.
As for "ensuring community build-up", I already shot that point down with my previous post. It's retarded to expect 3000-4000 members to make up a great community. Most of the time it's left to 100-200 active members (the same ones on every site), with only half as many with anything worthwhile to say, and there are further divisions in even those select few, based on which members feel they share similar views/won't troll the living daylights of one another. "True" communities start at the member level, not by a populace dedication quotient. Surely the little sub-divisions of member groups have to have common/shared interests to the tune of bettering their tracker, but unless the community at large is founded on groups of "friends", and subsequently every member singularly, then it just won't happen. As far as I can see, people group together just fine in BT, and when the perspectives are set (what some people may argue as when members are shown how to "fit in" within the general populace) correctly for members (of what the staff expect of members, or of what members should expect of one another/themselves) then you can rest assured that the product would be a reasonably healthy/responsible community.
I'd lobby for a philosophy section but I'm not sure that I believe in it.
I'd join you for that. If you are being serious.
Drink several cups of coffee ,reread my statement very carefully and get back to me on that.
Oh, my bad, I was under the impression that psychologically every lie/deprecate statement has an inherent truth in it. What do I know, that itself probably doesn't exist, either.
IdolEyes787
10-14-2010, 11:39 AM
Sure, forget the reference. Apparently commenting on how stupid you thought I was took precedence.
Whatever I may think of you , stupid was never on the list.
Btw I would argue that "the same ones on every site" are the ones that destroy/debase the community instead of making it.
Why do you think that they are on every site ?Or maybe better to ask can you really be active on that many places and truly care about any of them?
Yeah sure you can and it has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with being "friendly" (or having "friends").
Fuck it doesn't even have anything to do with the varied content because I've seen very little proof that any of these types actually care about the content.
Oh, my bad, I was under the impression that psychologically every lie/deprecate statement has an inherent truth in it. What do I know, that itself probably doesn't exist, either.
Psychologically I guess you are wrong then.
I won't even attempt to make sense of the last statement.Although there is obviously deep psychological meaning to it.
Beyond why you put a bunch of marbles in your mouth that is.
On the other hand "friendships"/"community-building conversations" online usually have a fair bit more depth than inane gas or weather talk.
:huh:
IdolEyes787
10-14-2010, 03:20 PM
Good morning Aby :)
Good morning Aby :)
I feel at home already ... :fst:
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forgot to insert the smiley :shifty:
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