Is My Computer Getting To Hot

[Triadcool]

When I opened up my computer after it had been running for about 2 hours and I touched my processor to see how hot it was and it burnt the fuck out of my finger. Is it ok to be this hot. Could this be what is making my computer get so many BSOD?

[cjsavvy]

No! It should never be so hot you cant touch it!!!!! What heatsink/fan are you using? What temps are you gettin on the healthcheck on your BIOS?

[Triadcool]

around 130 to 140 degress Ferenheit.

[Kunal]

and that in degrees c is? my heatsink sometimes is rather hot (only if i run the fan @ lowest rpm though) but my cpu temp is around 40c :)

[cjsavvy]

Thats 50-60 degrees C. Not a good temp in my opinion. Sort out your cooling - what heatsink/fan are you using???? Where did you get your pc from?

[Triadcool]

I have a Antec heat sink. I only have 2 fans the heat sink and the one built into my power supply. How do you run your heatsink at high rpms?

[DarthInsinuate]

Originally posted by cjsavvy@5 November 2003 - 21:42
Thats 50-60 degrees C. Not a good temp in my opinion. Sort out your cooling - what heatsink/fan are you using???? Where did you get your pc from?
50-60 is normal running temperature, if it starts running over that at full-load then its a little worry

if you want to be safe buy a 80mm case fan from E-buyer only for £5, helps a treat

[lynx]

Actually, that's 54-60C, which is on the high side for an Amd processor and way too high for an Intel cpu, in both cases assuming normal usage. Make sure everything is clean in the cooling equipment (particularly cpu fan and heatsink).

If you remove the heatsink, make sure you remove the old thermal pad with a wooden or plastic scraper followed by cleanser, then either add a new pad or use good thermal paste.

[Virtualbody1234]

@Triadcool, by any chance, is you computer overclocked?

[Triadcool]

Nope

[james_bond_rulez]

i just installed my 80mm sys fan and my sys temp is still kinda hot, around 48-50 degrees celcius always...

[clocker]

Originally posted by DarthInsinuate@5 November 2003 - 16:01


if you want to be safe buy a 80mm case fan from E-buyer only for £5, helps a treat
Depending on where you put it and whether is exhausting hot air or bringing in fresh air, of course.
Airflow in cases can be tricky...simply adding another fan randomly may make things worse.

[Virtualbody1234]

Sounds like the cooler is not doing its job. What model of Antec cooler is it? Perhaps the cooler needs to be cleaned or replaced with a more effective one.

[clocker]

Triad,
You might also remove the HS and check the impression of the CPU in the thermal paste.
Make sure you are getting full, even contact between the chip and the heatsink.

[Virtualbody1234]

If the heatsink is so hot then a suspect that the heat transfer between the CPU and heatsink is effective. It's more like the heat is not being effectively removed by the fan.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by DarthInsinuate+5 November 2003 - 23:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DarthInsinuate @ 5 November 2003 - 23:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-cjsavvy@5 November 2003 - 21:42
Thats 50-60 degrees C. Not a good temp in my opinion. Sort out your cooling - what heatsink/fan are you using???? Where did you get your pc from?
50-60 is normal running temperature, if it starts running over that at full-load then its a little worry

if you want to be safe buy a 80mm case fan from E-buyer only for £5, helps a treat [/b][/quote]
50-60 is still high dude. i have stock intel heatsink and cooling fan, and i get around 34 deg C idle and 44 deg C load

[RGX]

yes, but you have a P4

[racer II]

I dont know which mobo you have, but try a bios update.
Sometimes its just a wrong reading from the sensors.
And temps around 48-50 degrees are okay for an amd system.
Altough mine runs at 35/36 degrees celcius idle and 40 degrees stressed.

[Kunal]

Originally posted by DarthInsinuate@5 November 2003 - 23:01
if you want to be safe buy a 80mm case fan from E-buyer only for £5, helps a treat
cheap case fans form ebuyer (£1.13 i think they are atm) are great&#33; :)

[_John_Lennon_]

Also triad, what processor do you have, and the heatsink and fan is stock you said?

But also, although those temps are about what I have, their still a hair higher than mine, and mine is even overclocked, something is indeed awry.

Do you happen to know what your case temprature is by chance Triad? It doesnt help that much when your case is running say, 35C, for the hot air coming off the heatsink and pushing off of the fan, to be pushed around in already hot air.

[Triadcool]

I have a Amd athlon processor and no the heat sink isnt stalk. My computer was built for me by this guy.

[reignking]

it&#39;s a minor issue, but something to consider is if it isn&#39;t a stock hsf, do you know what kind of thermal paste he put on it? if he put a generic paste on vs say a artic silver that alone can make the difference of 5 degrees C or so.

as for amd temps, i like to keep mine as low as possible. anything in the upper 50&#39;s or higher and i would be searching for some cooling methods...

rk

[Pitbul]

to be safe i&#39;d reccomend buying a new heatsink (they dont cost much anyways) and a new Case fan or 2 if your case has that option if u can get 2 fans place one as a exhaust and one to bring in air.

[abu_has_the_power]

Originally posted by RGX@6 November 2003 - 18:06
yes, but you have a P4
i no, but that&#39;s a bit big of a temp difference. wat&#39;s the temp range for amds? like how high is safe?

[Evil Gemini]

Sorry for saying this, but is the fan on the right way ??

[brotherdoobie]

Dont worry.......Perfectly normal.


Peace brotherdoobie



P.S. Most people underestimate cpu temps......Probaly
due to overclockers bragging about extremely low temps
in forums.....lol

[Triadcool]

Sorry for saying this, but is the fan on the right way ??



Yes it is on right. How could you put it on wrong?

[Evil Gemini]

Thought u might have put the fan on upside down on the heatsink.

Thats strange how it gets hot.

[Triadcool]

Should the air be blowing towards the processor or out away from it?

[Kunal]

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power+7 November 2003 - 23:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (abu_has_the_power @ 7 November 2003 - 23:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RGX@6 November 2003 - 18:06
yes, but you have a P4
i no, but that&#39;s a bit big of a temp difference. wat&#39;s the temp range for amds? like how high is safe? [/b][/quote]
the max die temp on a amd (1ghz+) is 95c and amd say anything upto 65c is reasonable, wouldnt let my cpu get anywhere near that though

@Triadcool the air should be blowing towards the cpu

[clocker]

Originally posted by Kunal@8 November 2003 - 02:43


@Triadcool the air should be blowing towards the cpu
Typically, yes.
Always, no.

My Zalman is just the opposite- it draws air through the heatsink and out...

[cwctv]

Ok I have an image of most cpu&#39;s and their speeds heat etc how do I get it on here for you all to see besides uploading it tried copy & paste no good ?

[clocker]

You need to upload your image to a web host and then retrieve the URL from there.

Assuming the image is on your HDD of course.

If the image is from a website perhaps they don&#39;t allow hot linking?

[cwctv]

Thanks that&#39;s what I seem to read will see what I can do.

[brotherdoobie]

Your Temp is fine.
If you want to lower it,the advice you are getting is also fine.
But realy that temp is with in safe operating range for AMD cpu&#39;s.

Idealy the lower the temp the longer the life of your cpu.
but at the temps you mentioned,I am willing to bet that your
cpu will last longer than you will want to keep it without upgrading it ;)

Peace brotherdoobie

[Smith]

lol, new fans needed

[Evil Gemini]

Originally posted by brotherdoobie@8 November 2003 - 19:01
Your Temp is fine.
If you want to lower it,the advice you are getting is also fine.
But realy that temp is with in safe operating range for AMD cpu&#39;s.

Idealy the lower the temp the longer the life of your cpu.
but at the temps you mentioned,I am willing to bet that your
cpu will last longer than you will want to keep it without upgrading it ;)

Peace brotherdoobie
Yeah but his heatsink is getting so hot that it burns his finger :o

Thats not normal.

When i touch my heatsink its just a tiny bit warm

Hey clocker so you have yours set up like this ??

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/081103-small%20pic.gif

I was thinking of doing that. Does it keep it cooler ?

[SciManAl]

adding another fan like that will cause it to be cooler, but that also depends on what heatsink you have in place... Also if you have a well ventilated case, do you have a temprature measuring devise? if so put it in your case where the air flows, and see what the ambiet temp for your comp is... if it is high then you need more case fans, or more simply get a bigass 120mm and put it somewhere... Hope that helps&#33;

[_John_Lennon_]

Most motherboard already come with temp sensors for the CPU, AND the overall case temp.

Set up MBM, and im sure you can get it to monitor both.

But also, on the whole fan direction thing, from my personal expereience, its just how its setup, there is no one direction that everyone uses.

I know that on a 1.7 Celeron, and a 2.2 Celeron, and I would assume for most P4&#39;s, the fan blows air onto the Heatsink.

But on my AMD 2500+, it draws air away from it.

[Kunal]

Originally posted by neattairoski@8 November 2003 - 22:22
Hey clocker so you have yours set up like this ??

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/081103-small%20pic.gif

I was thinking of doing that. Does it keep it cooler ?
no, clockers got the zalman flower cooler, go search google, itll show you exactly how it works :)

[clocker]

Here, I&#39;ll save you the trouble...
http://www.themodfathers.com/Reviews/7000cu/3.jpg

[Evil Gemini]

Looks beasty.

Ive seen small chipset hsf that looks exactly like that but the HS is electric blue and it looks really good :)

[clocker]

This one went better with my eye color.

[Kunal]

Originally posted by clocker@9 November 2003 - 09:37
This one went better with my eye color.
and your pc isnt a rollercoaster ride :unsure:

[clocker]

I couldn&#39;t let Abu win.

I may install a mirrored disco ball, but don&#39;t tell anyone.

[Kunal]

Originally posted by clocker@9 November 2003 - 09:43
I couldn&#39;t let Abu win.

I may install a mirrored disco ball, but don&#39;t tell anyone.
:lol:

[Triadcool]

I just bought a heatsink and a 80mm system fan. I am going to put them in, in a minute.

[Virtualbody1234]

What did you buy, details. :lol:

Standing by to see if it runs cooler.

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by clocker@9 November 2003 - 04:43
I couldn&#39;t let Abu win.

I may install a mirrored disco ball, but don&#39;t tell anyone.
Umm, I&#39;ve thought about that. But only those small novelty disco balls, the big ones would just be plain over kill. :rolleyes: :)

[clocker]

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@9 November 2003 - 19:53

Umm, I&#39;ve thought about that. But only those small novelty disco balls, the big ones would just be plain over kill. :rolleyes: :)
I&#39;m searching for one all over that is proportional to my John Travolta doll.
He is going to be animated using the signal from my HDD activity light.

The effect should be spectacular.


Stayin alive, stayin&#39; alive...

[Triadcool]

Ok I left my computer on over night to see how much cooler it is staying and here are my results : (Motherboard before: 90 degress / Motherboard after: 81 degress) (Cpu before: 129 Degress / Cpu after: 90 degress) (Aux before: 72 degress / Aux after: 68 degress).


As you can see my system got way cooler. I now have a coolmaster fan and heatsink on my processor and a 80mm cooler master blowing air out of my system. My old heatsink and fan ran at 3709 RPM The new one runs at 4219 RPM. Now in the specs it says I have a chasiss? It is running at 2679.


I am happy to say that my computer hasnt automaticly restarted and I havnt got any errors yet.


While I was at the store I got a Msi CR52-M. It burns cds in 2:00.

[Virtualbody1234]

That sounds like a big improvement. What model heatsink is that?

[clocker]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@10 November 2003 - 05:28
That sounds like a big improvement. What model heatsink is that?
Big improvement?

That&#39;s a bloody miracle.

A 40 some % improvement.

Really, do tell, what is this piece of kit that is working so well?

[lynx]

Originally posted by clocker@10 November 2003 - 13:15
A 40 some % improvement.
If you work it out in absolute temps, the cpu temp has dropped from 327K to 305K, an improvment of about 6.75%.

But of course neither of those figures is really meaningful considering so many changed variables.

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by lynx+10 November 2003 - 10:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 10 November 2003 - 10:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@10 November 2003 - 13:15
A 40 some % improvement.
If you work it out in absolute temps, the cpu temp has dropped from 327K to 305K, an improvment of about 6.75%.

But of course neither of those figures is really meaningful considering so many changed variables. [/b][/quote]
Argh&#33; It&#39;s just a big improvement.

[Triadcool]

My heatsink (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.evendi.de/static-preisvergleich/evendi2/Hardware/Zubeh%25F6r_-_CPU-K%25FChler/Coolermaster_CP5-6J31C.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dcoolermaster%2Bcp5-6j31c%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8)

[Triadcool]

This is my new 80mm case fan. (http://www.vdhsoft.be/memo/18274.HTM)

[clocker]

Really?

The reviews wouldn&#39;t lead me to expect such a dramatic drop in temps.

Well done, then.

Is it as quiet as they claim?

[Triadcool]

It is almost totally silent&#33; Way less sound coming from it then my old one. While I was out shopping I also got a cd burner. :P

[Triadcool]

Here is my new cd burner. A lot faster then my old 8x. (http://www.explosivelabs.com/reviews/msi_cr52-m/)

[clocker]

Not a bad day at the office then.

New hardware is fun,eh?

[Evil Gemini]

i remember when i had an Acer 8x burner. it was so crap i couldnt burn music cd&#39;s over 2x or they didnt work.

It was good for data though.

[Triadcool]

Yea it is really fun to go computer parts shopping. I totalled out at &#036;86.50

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by Triadcool@10 November 2003 - 06:16
Ok I left my computer on over night to see how much cooler it is staying and here are my results : (Motherboard before: 90 degress / Motherboard after: 81 degress) (Cpu before: 129 Degress / Cpu after: 90 degress) (Aux before: 72 degress / Aux after: 68 degress).

Celcius or Farenhigt?

Yes, I know, I cant spell either.

[Triadcool]

fahrenheit

[_John_Lennon_]

K

[Virtualbody1234]

How did you fit an 80mm fan onto a 60mm heatsink?


The new one runs at 4219 RPM


Coolermaster SAF-B83 Case Fan 80x80 --- Rotation Speed: 2500 RPM

Also what speed is it really? 4219 RPM or 2500 RPM?


It is almost totally silent&#33; Way less sound coming from it then my old one.

If it&#39;s silent it must be 2500 RPM. If that&#39;s the case then how is it possibe that you have that much temperature improvement?

[clocker]

Gee VB,
I didn&#39;t see that he claimed to have mounted the case fan to the HS.

One of us is confused.

Edit:Although I do agree that that is a pretty spectacular drop in temps for just using that particular heatsink. Maybe he moved his PC into a snowbank....

[Virtualbody1234]

I realized that he didn&#39;t change the fan on the heatsink after I posted.

I still maintain that a 60mm fan at 4800 RPM on that heatsink plus his new 80 mm fan on his case cannot have that significant a temperature drop. I have experimented with that cooler many times before so I have a pretty good idea what the results should be.

I wonder just how deep he buried it in the snowbank?

[Triadcool]

My heatsink already had a fan on it. I bought a 80mm fan to push the air out of my system. I dont know how it is as cool as it is. But thats the temps its showing me in AIDA32.

[Triadcool]

This is my system temp after the computer being on for 2 days.


http://www.uploadit.org/files2/111103-tempeture.JPG

[Kunal]

your temps seem good, mine in comparison are 26c system and 40c cpu (amd athlon 2000+ with aero 7 lite hsf, getting the volcano 12 soon though :) ) but i couldnt see how a single 80mm case fan could make so much of a difference&#33; are you sure these temps are accurate? have you checked in you bios?

[clocker]

Triad,

It ain&#39;t like I was calling you a liar, it&#39;s just that I have done a lot of experimenting and work to get my systemps down and you just put on a new HSF and slap in a casefan and get remarkable results.
I guess I&#39;m just envious.
http://galleries.vinyamar.com/ps/show.php?id=efNcmTcJyxni8Tlbi2RI6hUf&ext=.jpg
This is after @ 56 hrs. of continuous operation ( not counting a million reboots) and as you can see our results are very similar.

[Snee]

I get those types of temps on my old (overclocked) T-bird like the latest ones, that seems pretty normal.

I think my brother&#39;s 2400+ works on something like the first temps though, and that&#39;s pretty stable (no OC).

[SciManAl]

fyi for clocker to be envius you have performed a godly action.... hehehe :P

Wow dude, what is the rated CFM for the 8 cm fan you put in?

[Kunal]

clocker what is that cpu diode on your pc?

[clocker]

Originally posted by SciManAl@11 November 2003 - 10:17
fyi for clocker to be envius you have performed a godly action.... hehehe :P


That&#39;s not true *blush, blush*, I am a veritable seething pit of envy.

My only consolation is that his HS fan is spinning way faster than mine, hence must be noisier.

[Kunal]

triad, i dont think your heatsink and fan setup is silent, as the hsf fan combo you pointed out (cp5-6j31c) my freind thad that combo and it makes a racket&#33;

[clocker]

Originally posted by Kunal@11 November 2003 - 10:24
clocker what is that cpu diode on your pc?
There are apparently two different ways to measure the temp of a CPU.

One is a thermistor- basically a little hairlike temp sensor which actually sticks up and touches the bottom of the chip. I believe that this is the preferred method (but, as always, I could be wrong :huh: ).

The second is the diode that you see. The chip temp is extrapolated from the current drop (or something) at this point.

I always use the first temp, it&#39;s lower and makes me feel better.

[_John_Lennon_]

Originally posted by clocker@11 November 2003 - 14:27

I always use the first temp, it&#39;s lower and makes me feel better.
lol :lol:

[Triadcool]

Well all I am saying is that my new heatsink is way more silent then my old one.My 80mm fan doesnt make any more sound then my power supply fan.

[SciManAl]

i went into watercooling just so i could be a silent running rig... i don&#39;t know if i could handle all the noise you have going on... you are probably churning out at least 30-40 db

[Triadcool]

Well I cant ever hear my computer anyways because I have my ceiling fan running 24/7.

[SciManAl]

lol hehe my comp is less than a foot from my face, (sitting to the left of the moniter) and so i hear only the soft pure of my hard drives now...