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ok... i got a liteon 48x24x48, so i would normally burn a cd in 2:30 minutes from the hdd....however, i've been burning things today (from a fresh restart) and its taking from 6-7 minutes per cd.....with whatever program i use.... either nero, alcohol or clonecd....
could this be because my hdd is packed with files? im burning cuz i need space hehe.... but i dont know and dont think this could be the reason...
any ideas?
thx
DWk
TheFilePirater
11-08-2003, 03:14 AM
are u running anything like kazaa,wmp,winamp?
i find if i run aim,norton, and listion to music it slows my burning speed slower, from 40-50 to 30-35
Supernatural
11-08-2003, 04:39 AM
Making audio CDs from MP3s take longer to burn than data CDs because the files have to be re-encoded before burning. Burning speed also depends on the media. A 52x will only burn at 16x if that's what the blanks support.
Virtualbody1234
11-08-2003, 04:50 AM
Is ultraDMA enabled?
Defragment your drives.
Are the blank CDs rated a slow speed?
johnboy27
11-08-2003, 05:14 AM
I had the exact same problem a little while ago.I checked to see if ultraDMA was enabled (it was) ,my CD's were 48X like my burner and I was defragmented. I couldn't get it to change. I haven't burned anything for about two weeks and then last night I burned a few things and it is back to normal. I can't figure what was wrong.
yeps.....cds are 48x..... ultradma.... cant remember about this....where can i see if its enabled?
well yea i havent defragmented.... i will do when i finish burning all the movies :lol:
oh and its just data cds....either avis or games....so i dunno what the problem can be :(
DWk
cwctv
11-08-2003, 12:10 PM
ultraDMA
You need to go to System Properties - Device Manager - Cd Properties Settings check also the hard drive(s) while there if they are not in dma tick the box(es)and you will have to reboot to enable them.
:(
i dont see any of those... i mean the drives are there, but when i rightclick->properties i dont see any ultradma option anywhere :(
cwctv
11-08-2003, 12:25 PM
Sorry look under settings. :D
cwctv
11-08-2003, 12:37 PM
Ok lets start again go to System Properties - Device Manager - Cd Properties(name of drive) - settings now you will see dma plus other things tick dma if not already done.
thats a negative....i open device manager, then rightclick->properties on any of the cd or hdd and i dont get any settings tab and/or button :(
cwctv
11-08-2003, 12:47 PM
Right looking what you have underneath I think your on XP yes if so someone esle will have to help you there I only had it on for a weekend then took it back off didn't really have enough time to have a good look around everything,sorry. :(
:]
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/1962/
read that.... i wonder if thats my problem....ima delete drivers :D
brb after reboot
well i still dont get any udma option....so i guess the problem still there :)
any more ideas? lol
DWk
cwctv
11-08-2003, 01:02 PM
I just been reading the short cut theres many there with your problem have you tried any of their ideas?
I'am Me and have no troubles PiO is no good at all thats too slow thats the reason IF thats what is happening.Make sure you have the leastest controler drivers on.
well i deleted the drivers, but no good result...just the same problem.... but yea now that you talk about that, my pc HAS been slow lately :(
cwctv
11-08-2003, 01:31 PM
Sorry been having some food right I just done a test I am on net like you and nothing esle like downloading etc with 7200 prm h/drive p4 2.4 512 ddr mem' it took 2min 20 to crossload a movie of 702 megs,with my old 1000 celeron and 512 sdram it took aroud 3mins 30 secs this was slower if doing anything esle too, see what you get now I am in DMA mode.
i CANT get in dma mode...i dont have the option, i already made xp reinstall drivers, but no solution.....
look this is what i just burned.....time is 8 mins
http://www.photobucket.com/albums/1003/dwkimages/burn.jpg
:(
DWk
cwctv
11-08-2003, 01:51 PM
Yep I understand I only have a x24 and I cut at x16 for movies takes 5 mins tops in and out GOT to be down to the dma as how to get it on Xp well someone will know I'd sit tight or come back later to see,one day Xp or maybe this Longhorn will be going on till then I am quite happy with Me.
well does anyone know about udma in xp? thx
DWk
clocker
11-08-2003, 05:38 PM
If you are using Windows 2000 or Windows XP, you can verify that the internal hard drives are using DMA by looking at the Properties for the Primary IDE Channel under IDE ATA/ATAPI Controller. Under the Advanced setting tab you will either see what DMA mode the drive is using or a statement saying “using DMA mode” if available.
Viola!
kk thx.... i already checked and yes its on dma if available.... so to the next point/issue/problem/reason
my computer is extremely slow lately.... i assume that would be the problem.... but i cant find out wtf it is.... any ideas?
i dont see processes that are takin much % of ram or cpu..... so i guess we could rule that out right away :( :ph34r:
DWk
clocker
11-08-2003, 07:28 PM
Defragged lately?
can a corrupt installation of gfx card drivers be the problem? just wondering....the drivers i had were working fine...but i uninstalled them and installed older ones...and right now im burning a cd very much faster than before.... 2 mins at 74%.... weird....
oh and to answer your question, no i havent defragged...was thinkin of doing so tonite.... bad thing is that i have 2 hdds with 4 partitions in total...so i gotta defrag each alone.... not all together.... is there a way to do them 4 at once? well not at once, but without stopping.... like scheduled or something? thx
DWk
well its burning slow again.... :angry:
DWk
sry had to bump :rolleyes:
Supernatural
11-08-2003, 11:33 PM
I have a question. Is your hard drive and CD-Burner on the same IDE port? Having them running on different ports might increase burning speed.
I think Norton Speed Disk will defragment drives in sequence.
nopes they arent on the same IDE...yea i know it oculd increase it....but who knows lol.....
about norton.... bleh one thing is i dont like norton applications.... and second i dont wanna download anything...is there a way to schedule it using windows alone? or maybe a LITTLE application? :D
Supernatural
11-09-2003, 01:41 AM
I guess you can use Task Scheduler to schedule defragmentations.
InverseKinetix
11-09-2003, 01:53 AM
did you change disk brand? try flashing to the latest firmware for your burner. I had this problem when i used cheap generic disks, after upgrading the firmware i can burn anything at top speed.
about task scheduler.... i just want to defragment all 4 partitions one after another... not at certain time, u know....
about the firmware, the problem isnt that since a couple of weeks ago i could burn easily a cd in 3 mins top...
DWk
Supernatural
11-09-2003, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by DWk@8 November 2003 - 21:05
about task scheduler.... i just want to defragment all 4 partitions one after another... not at certain time, u know....
I know, but I don't think you can do that with Windows Disk Defragmenter. :(
InverseKinetix
11-09-2003, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by DWk@9 November 2003 - 11:05
about the firmware, the problem isnt that since a couple of weeks ago i could burn easily a cd in 3 mins top...
DWk
Try the firmware anyway, it will improve the performance of your drive anyway. I said i had this problem, 4.7Gb DVDs went from 13mins to 45 mins for no reason, same disks off the same spindle, no changes in anyway, just from 1 disk to the next it changed. After updating the firmware it works just fine. It wont hurt to try.
you know where i can get it for a
Lite-on 48x24x48
and an
LG 12x8x32
clocker
11-09-2003, 08:38 AM
www.liteonit.com
InverseKinetix
11-09-2003, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by DWk@9 November 2003 - 17:35
you know where i can get it for a
Lite-on 48x24x48
and an
LG 12x8x32
can u provide the exact model number.
yea that wont be necessary :) i went on google hunt hehe.... i upgraded them both but still the same problem..... i would have to say its my computer being slow then, eh?
InverseKinetix
11-09-2003, 09:15 AM
did you try a different brand of disk? can you force change the burning speed? did you try reinstalling the burning app?
Im just listing the things i tried when it happened to me.
what burning app r u using?
i have burned with 4 different apps....nero, clonecd, alcohol, and.... cdrwin
all same....
about different brand of disks, yea. I cant force change the burning speed cuz its a top already.... yea i tried reinstalling...
i still think its cuz my pc is slow :/
InverseKinetix
11-09-2003, 09:32 AM
sorry, wish i could help more. that about all I can think of. Good luck
anyone else? :(
ideas for a slow pc? :unsure:
clocker
11-09-2003, 09:41 AM
Did you say that you were using a different brand disk?
If so, that is likely the culprit.
If your system were at fault I should think that everything you do would be unbearably slow.
yea but i dunno wtf happened....it just got slow from one day to another.... :(
well i tried to defrag.....kinda got stuck in 1%.... with AV off and everything off :(
could an xp-repair fix anything?
DWk
clocker
11-09-2003, 04:31 PM
I really think you should try to narrow down your list of possibilities first.
If your defrag stalled at 1% then the first place to look is the condition of your drive(s).
Using Diskeeper (which I recommend highly,btw) I can defrag in under 15 seconds.
Why not bite the bullet and do a thorough system wide maintenance sweep and then see what happens.
If that doesn't help, try a different brand of blankCD.
If (when) all else fails do a format and reinstall. Then take care not to let things get out of hand again.
Smurfette
11-09-2003, 04:44 PM
If you still want to defragment, get Defragmenter Pro Plus from HERE (http://fosisoft.home.ro/) and do all your drives at once. It does them properly, as well. :)
Sorry, I lost track of your UDMA efforts, did you find out how to change the settings? They're in Device Mangler but not on the CD drive properties, they're on the IDE Controller properties.
Isn't there a setting in Nero to use either Xp's or Nero's ASPI interface? You could check which one it's using...
Run the Nero InfoTool (you'll find it in the Nero Toolkit sub-menu) and once it's had a sniff of your system, you'll be presented with some info. Click the ASPI tab and you'll see a drop-down box. I have a Lite-On 48x24x48 and have this set to System ASPI, with a yellow box down the bottom of that window saying ASPI is not installed but all my discs still burn at 48x. XP has it's own CD writing capabilities anyway, and Nero must be using that. Perhaps yours is set to Nero ASPI, which never worked for me in the past (stopped burning altogether with my old Mitsumi) and I have no reason to believe it would be better than the way it's running now.
Edit: just some spellings :)
k...about udma, yea i found it...but its set up correctly.... it was before 2...
about the nero toolkit and aspi stuff...its set the same as yours... so that cant be the problem.... ima have to keep narrowing it down...
i downloaded the defragmenter pro plus.... i installed it...gonna defrag i guess.... i be back later, ok?
:)
DWk
clocker
11-09-2003, 04:55 PM
Good luck.
Let us know how it goes.
k its goin now....almost an hour i think....and i think its still defragging the boot drive (the one that has windows and the programs)...... and my hard drive is working but its not doing anything....
lol the pc just keeps gettin better :lol:
clocker
11-09-2003, 05:50 PM
Nothing like a good defrag to show it who's boss.
i meant that its just stalling lol :lol:
clocker
11-09-2003, 06:02 PM
Oh.
That's not good.
Does your defrag app have the option to perform a boot-time defrag?
That should go much more quickly as it isn't working around Windows.
Smurfette
11-09-2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by clocker@9 November 2003 - 18:02
Does your defrag app have the option to perform a boot-time defrag?
That should go much more quickly as it isn't working around Windows.
Defragmenter Pro Plus does its business during a bootup so if it is still going I'd say that is one muh'fuh of a fragmented drive!
@ DWk
I know another hour or so seems like a long time but with a seriously fragmented drive the program could take that long. It might not look like it's doing anything but sometimes it doesn't yet is still working away.
well i stopped it.... i think the best should leave it at night
k i left it at night but i dont think it worked...... its a little faster but the problem is still there.... :angry:
dunno but ima burn a cd today and if its not working, i think im goin for the reformat :( :ph34r:
Supernatural
11-10-2003, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by DWk@10 November 2003 - 06:23
k i left it at night but i dont think it worked...... its a little faster but the problem is still there.... :angry:
dunno but ima burn a cd today and if its not working, i think im goin for the reformat :( :ph34r:
Whoa man! At least try a Repair Install before formatting.
InverseKinetix
11-10-2003, 04:07 PM
Did you try a different brand of disk yet?
clocker
11-10-2003, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by InverseKinetix@10 November 2003 - 09:07
Did you try a different brand of disk yet?
That would be too easy.
Apparently we're going straight to the complicated solutions first.
Although....even if a different brand disk solved the burn time problem, he is still faced with what appears to be a world record fragmented disk.
This might require a whole new PC.
Virtualbody1234
11-10-2003, 04:23 PM
This might require a whole new PC.
Now you're talking!
J/k. Did you try running the 'boot time" defrag?
K lets go from response to response....
about the diff brand disks....yes i did - the problem appeared with my "past" discs, and now that i bought 50 more (of which 7 are still virgins :w00t: ) its the same problem....
well i dont think i wanna do a repair disk....well i know it could fix some things but i like format better.... what better way to clean up your pc.... either way, lets face the facts: format and repair are practically the same....since the actual problem (or maybe take-time problem) is installing progs+games+everything and configuring it... i prefer just deleting everything so that theres no room for fragmented things or virii (which i dont have)....
about the boot-time defrag.... i think thats what Defragmenter Pro Plus does.... i left at night then at morning it was done.... but i dunno if it worked... i havent burned yet
any more ideas?
Thx
ck-uk
11-10-2003, 06:47 PM
Mate i cant see it being from your hd fragmented.If it has probs caching the files,,near enough all your programs & windows would be running a bit slow.i'd go with somthing to do with dma.Double check them again on all drives.Go to nero tool kit>nero info tool>configuration tab,,,it'll say dma on/off.You could also check how fast its caching the files,
Nero>file>preferences>cache...then press the test drive speeds.Other than ...i dont know. :D
holy sh1111111111111111111111t..... k it says my main drive (the one that holds windows, progs, games, etc.....divided in 3 partitions) has DMA off....
but when i check in ide primary controller....it says DMA if available....how can i change that so its ALWAYS dma?
w0ot....k im lookin a light across the dark tunnel :)
oh yea im other burner has dma off as well (not the one that i burn with.... my lg 12x8x32) how can i turn that on as well?
thx
DWk
globalterminator
11-10-2003, 09:28 PM
That does seem a little slow, mine takes around 4 minutes for a full CD.
ck-uk
11-10-2003, 09:51 PM
QUOTE]but when i check in ide primary controller....it says DMA if available....how can i change that so its ALWAYS dma?
[/QUOTE]
It is set for dma mate ..but its obviously not available.You must have a conflict somewhere mate ,it could even be with xp.I've read it got a few problems with dma.You could see if there's an update for you motherboard or see look for some ide controllers for your board.Tri updating all your drivers,just have a mess around in that area and hope it goes away.
I rembr ,,about the xp /dma problem was form a post of lynx's.Something about if the drive has 3ish errors it reverts back to poi mode.Maybe look in to that too.
weird cuz the hdd would be running in dma like a couple of weeks ago :angry:
ima look for his post....
Oh you're gonna kill me for bumping this thread, but oh well.
Ok, I actually fixed this problem (temporarily) with a little program (from Via) that forced my drive into using UDMA mode. The problem is, however, that the problem returned (who knows why), and I need that little program again. The other problem, however, is that I forgot the name of the program, and I have too many cd's to go through to look for it.
It was something like Via IDE Controller, or something like that.
So if the person that let me know last time about this program, please come forward and enlighten me again :D
delphin460
02-26-2004, 05:10 AM
Just a suggestion here , but i wouldnt be burning vid files at 48 anyway, they will have problems reading if u do , i always burn at 12 to 16 for movies on avi, and even slower if they are vcd
4th gen
02-26-2004, 05:11 AM
Run>Regedit>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>SYSTEM>ControlSet001>Control>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\
ControlSet001\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}.
Now, you have to go to either 0001 or 0002 depending on whether the problem device is on the primary or secondary IDE controller.
Once you're on the correct one, go to either "MasterDeviceTimingModeAllowed" or "SlaveDeviceTimingModeAllowed" (depending where the problem drive is on the IDE cable). Change the value of the key to "ffffffff" in hex, save, exit regedit and restart computer. Now the device should run at full speed again (until you get any CRC errors).
P.S. As you probably know, you should save a copy of the registry before you go fiddling with it :)
edited so as not to mess up borders
skelley521
02-26-2004, 11:30 AM
These check for CD burner problems and the force will fix.
aspichk.exe
Force ASPI.exe
The links are gone, check for programs though.
;)
Nightwolf
02-26-2004, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by delphin460@26 February 2004 - 00:10
Just a suggestion here , but i wouldnt be burning vid files at 48 anyway, they will have problems reading if u do , i always burn at 12 to 16 for movies on avi, and even slower if they are vcd
That's not true. I always burn movies at 52x and never had a single problem. It might be a problem for some people depending on your burner, your player, your media, and what software you use to burn.
Originally posted by 4th gen@25 February 2004 - 22:11
Run>Regedit>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>SYSTEM>ControlSet001>Control>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\
ControlSet001\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}.
Now, you have to go to either 0001 or 0002 depending on whether the problem device is on the primary or secondary IDE controller.
Once you're on the correct one, go to either "MasterDeviceTimingModeAllowed" or "SlaveDeviceTimingModeAllowed" (depending where the problem drive is on the IDE cable). Change the value of the key to "ffffffff" in hex, save, exit regedit and restart computer. Now the device should run at full speed again (until you get any CRC errors).
P.S. As you probably know, you should save a copy of the registry before you go fiddling with it :)
edited so as not to mess up borders
Thanks, but how do I put the "ffffff" in hex?
Oh god I'm asleep. But please let me know.
As far as the other people's responses, you obviously didn't read my reply ;)
Bump :ph34r:
I'm here for a couple of hours, so let me know :)
Nevermind I found it :D
If anyone wants to know, VIA IDE Miniport Driver (http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=340) was the program (well.... is) that puts the HDD on UDMA always :)
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