Would This Improve Gaming Performance? [Archive]

pc-gamer-dude

11-10-2003, 02:07 AM

im currently running an athlon 1ghz (old school athlon)
512mb pc133 memory, and some no name motherboard
nvidia geforce mx440 64mb agp.

im going to get an asus a7n8x deluxe mobo
athlon xp 2400
512mb pc2700 ddr333 kingtson memory

is that going to increase gaming performance by a lot? im j/w cuz im probably going to get those upgrades for christmas. am i going to need a new case/power supply combo? right now i have a 200watt psu, will i need a new one?

Keikan

11-10-2003, 02:16 AM

you'll gain 1ghz of processer speed, your ram will be a little bit better, you graphic card will still suck, and you'll needa new psu

bigdawgfoxx

11-10-2003, 02:33 AM

Your gaming will be much better, however, you need a new graphics card.

abu_has_the_power

11-10-2003, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@10 November 2003 - 02:33
Your gaming will be much better, however, you need a new graphics card.
yea. wat u wanna do after u get all those upgrades is to sell ur current vd card to some little kid for $100 :D and buy urself at least a gfx 5200, or even a gfx 5600 or ati radeon 9200-9500. it'll be worth it. ;)

clocker

11-10-2003, 02:42 AM

Definately a new PSU.

3rd gen noob

11-10-2003, 02:43 AM

save up and get a radeon 9600 pro or a geforce fx5600 or higher...don't go for the fx5200 nvidia, it's not very powerful

_John_Lennon_

11-10-2003, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@9 November 2003 - 21:33
Your gaming will be much better, however, you need a new graphics card.
Does the 64MB Card suck that much? I have the 128MB version, and it runs halo fine, and GTA Vice City fine, no complaints.

But yeah, I would look into atleast a 300W Powersupply for the new setup.

Also, make sure the stuff fits in you case, if you need a new case, you can probably get one for like 40$ with shipping, and a 300W Powersupply.

I think a 300W is about 20 bucks, so its not that expensive.

abu_has_the_power

11-10-2003, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by _John_Lennon_+10 November 2003 - 02:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (_John_Lennon_ @ 10 November 2003 - 02:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@9 November 2003 - 21:33
Your gaming will be much better, however, you need a new graphics card.
Does the 64MB Card suck that much? I have the 128MB version, and it runs halo fine, and GTA Vice City fine, no complaints.

But yeah, I would look into atleast a 300W Powersupply for the new setup.

Also, make sure the stuff fits in you case, if you need a new case, you can probably get one for like 40$ with shipping, and a 300W Powersupply.

I think a 300W is about 20 bucks, so its not that expensive. [/b][/quote]
yea, but u can also get a 500 watt for $20 at dealsonic.com. that's where i got mine. works perfectly. been using it for months now.

here's the link:
http://dealsonic.com/po50atxp4amd.html

u might not need a 500 watt psu any time soon, but it's the same price. so i'd go with the more powerful

TheFilePirater

11-10-2003, 02:48 AM

HALO PC MINIMUM SPECS
PC with 733 MHz equivalent or higher processor
128 MB of system RAM
1.2 GB available hard disk space
32MB T&L capable video card
8x speed or faster CD-ROM drive
Microsoft Windows 98SE/Me/XP/2000

qouted from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3186830.stm

3rd gen noob

11-10-2003, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@10 November 2003 - 02:47
u might not need a 500 watt psu any time soon, but it's the same price. so i'd go with the more powerful
sounds a bit like overkill...plus a higher rated power suply may use more electricity, cause more noise and/or more heat...

350 or 400W should be sufficient for any residential system

johnboy27

11-10-2003, 04:12 AM

I only run a 300 watt in my system and have never had a problem.I am however swapping it out for a 400 watt .The reason I am doing it is just in case I decide to do more upgrade(which I'm sure I will)

Virtualbody1234

11-10-2003, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+9 November 2003 - 21:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 9 November 2003 - 21:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@10 November 2003 - 02:47
u might not need a 500 watt psu any time soon, but it's the same price. so i'd go with the more powerful
sounds a bit like overkill...plus a higher rated power suply may use more electricity, cause more noise and/or more heat...

350 or 400W should be sufficient for any residential system [/b][/quote]
Yeah, but that's not a "true" 500 watt power supply.

There is no way you can get a top quality power supply for $20.

clocker

11-10-2003, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@9 November 2003 - 21:29

Yeah, but that's not a "true" 500 watt power supply.

There is no way you can get a top quality power supply for $20.
So true.

I believe that they are measuring the output during a lightning strike.

ck-uk

11-10-2003, 06:29 AM

A'l'right guys...

mate is you do go for that board and get a new psu....make sure it complies to these specs..

quoted from the manual....

Make sure your new power supply can provide 8A on the +12v lead and at least 1A
on the +5volt lead(+5vsb)..its just the 1A to be carfull of mate because most only provide 0.75A :D

abu_has_the_power

11-10-2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+10 November 2003 - 04:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 10 November 2003 - 04:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@9 November 2003 - 21:49
<!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@10 November 2003 - 02:47
u might not need a 500 watt psu any time soon, but it's the same price. so i'd go with the more powerful
sounds a bit like overkill...plus a higher rated power suply may use more electricity, cause more noise and/or more heat...

350 or 400W should be sufficient for any residential system
Yeah, but that's not a "true" 500 watt power supply.

There is no way you can get a top quality power supply for $20. [/b][/quote]
yep. but no matter wat, it's better than a 300 wat. it's also got 2 fans too. real nice and cool back there. i never really said i'll ever need 500 watts, but since it's the same price, i just went with the overkill one. ;)

clocker

11-10-2003, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@10 November 2003 - 05:55

yep. but no matter wat, it's better than a 300 wat. it's also got 2 fans too. real nice and cool back there.
Simply in the interest of being pedantic I must disagree, Abu.

Not to impugn the quality of your particular PSU, but I'd rather have a nice stable high quality 300 watt PSU over a cheap, shoddy "500" watt unit, any day.

A CPU really hates voltage surges and noise.

The PSU is one area that I would not consider comprimising quality for cost considerations.

SciManAl

11-10-2003, 03:07 PM

off topic, but would that psu be good for a peltier power supply?? i wouldn't trust it either on a mobo, but mayby with a peltier... your thoughts??

http://dealsonic.com/poal60atxduf.html

or possibly this one???

(226 watt peltier)

i only ask because the price is very very low...

clocker

11-10-2003, 03:50 PM

Sciman,

What Peltier set up are you referring to?
a link would be nice...

Many of the kits that I have seen have a completely separate power cord and run independant of the PC PSU altogether.

DarthInsinuate

11-10-2003, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by pc-gamer-dude@10 November 2003 - 02:07
im going to get an asus a7n8x deluxe mobo
athlon xp 2400
512mb pc2700 ddr333 kingtson memory
the AthlonXP2400 has a 266mhz FSB and you're buying RAM rated at 333mhz - this could make a bottleneck and slow your system down
consider either slower RAM or the AthlonXP2500

johnboy27

11-10-2003, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by DarthInsinuate+10 November 2003 - 16:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DarthInsinuate @ 10 November 2003 - 16:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-pc-gamer-dude@10 November 2003 - 02:07
im going to get an asus a7n8x deluxe mobo
athlon xp 2400
512mb pc2700 ddr333 kingtson memory
the AthlonXP2400 has a 266mhz FSB and you're buying RAM rated at 333mhz - this could make a bottleneck and slow your system down
consider either slower RAM or the AthlonXP2500 [/b][/quote]
But maybe he would like to overclock.Wouldn't it be better to have the faster ram? And also he may want to upgrade a bit in the future,better to get the faster ram if you ask me because the cost is not much different.

DarthInsinuate

11-10-2003, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by johnboy27@10 November 2003 - 15:56
But maybe he would like to overclock.Wouldn't it be better to have the faster ram? And also he may want to upgrade a bit in the future,better to get the faster ram if you ask me because the cost is not much different.
good point - i never put overclocking into consideration :rolleyes:

Virtualbody1234

11-10-2003, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by clocker+10 November 2003 - 09:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 10 November 2003 - 09:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-abu_has_the_power@10 November 2003 - 05:55

yep. but no matter wat, it's better than a 300 wat. it's also got 2 fans too. real nice and cool back there.
Simply in the interest of being pedantic I must disagree, Abu.

Not to impugn the quality of your particular PSU, but I'd rather have a nice stable high quality 300 watt PSU over a cheap, shoddy "500" watt unit, any day.

A CPU really hates voltage surges and noise.

The PSU is one area that I would not consider comprimising quality for cost considerations. [/b][/quote]
I totally agree with you there, clocker.

I was going to say something quite similar but I held myself back. I have given abu some comments about posting misleading information. I didn't want to push too hard as he might get the wrong idea and think I am just out to get him. That is not the case. I am just out to get him when he posts nonsense or information that will misguide people.

So, in the interest of being pedantic also... I would disagree with abu here too. A top quality 300w unit or better would be my preference.

clocker

11-10-2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@10 November 2003 - 09:17
A top quality 300w unit or better would be my preference.
Yeah.

You know, I've come to the realization that even with my limited experience, the PSU may be the most important hardware choice one makes.

It's not as sexy as a dual CPU motherboard, and it won't light up and flash like your fans, but every single piece of hardware in your comp depends on it.

In all the tutorials I've read and in all the forums I've visited, the PSU seems to be the ignored stepchild of the whole building process.

I wonder how many hoped for "superPCs" have failed to reach expectations due to a substandard power supply?

Oh well, you can always add another cold cathode light stick, I suppose....

Virtualbody1234

11-10-2003, 05:01 PM

Oh well, you can always add another cold cathode light stick, I suppose....

And add even more load and instability to the whole works.

Billy_Dean

11-10-2003, 05:33 PM

This is the make I use, from what I can see, they are around US$75. I paid AUD$170.

Purepower. (http://216.194.77.210/TT%20_Xaser_Silent_Purepower%20_480W_p1.shtml)

http://www.uploadit.org/files2/101103-Thermaltake_480wPower_back.jpg http://www.uploadit.org/files2/101103-Thermaltake_480wPower_bot.jpg

http://www.uploadit.org/files2/101103-Thermaltake_480wPower_edge.jpg http://www.uploadit.org/files2/101103-Thermaltake_480wPower_parts.jpg

:)

clocker

11-10-2003, 06:10 PM

Very nice Billy*, but I don't see any lights.

Get with the program.

*I have the 420watt version...

SciManAl

11-10-2003, 06:41 PM

sry bout that clocker :P

i have yet to get a peltier, or anything of that kind...
I also have not herd of "kits" for peltiers a link to one of those would be very very welcome! Although i am defintily intrested in peltier technology,it was more hypotheticle then a real question... i was under the impression that you could simply plug it into a PSU, if it could handle it (20 plus amps or something)... but i have never tried peltiers... Any resourses on the subject that use english to describe what is needed etc... is also VERY welcome! I searched the forums and came up dry... it would be nice to know what it takes exactly to make a peltier set up!! this is so of topic, i may start a new thread... hehehehe <_<

*on topic*

Thermaltake has always impressed me with there heatsinks, and i have also had the privilidge to use thier PSUs and am very happy to say they are nothing short of awsome, quiet effective, just all round kickass! stable power, clean power, strong power!
As for the cheap PSU i would only put that in a comp that had no "mission critical" role, or that was OCed etc... or a comp for my grandma hehehe :rolleyes:

Billy_Dean

11-10-2003, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by clocker@11 November 2003 - 04:10
Very nice Billy*, but I don't see any lights.

Get with the program.

*I have the 420watt version...
I take it you're kidding about having no lights Clocker, these psu's were designed to be lit up and seen through your side window. Go on, just one nice cold cathode, a nice blue one.

:)

Billy_Dean

11-10-2003, 06:45 PM

Is this the Peltier you mean?

Peltier (http://www.peltier-info.com/info.html)

:)

SciManAl

11-10-2003, 07:00 PM

that helps, (although the web site is somewhat hard to navigate) :blink:
but yeah that helps it had a plain english explanation to how they work etc so now i think i will think up something to expirament with...

clocker

11-10-2003, 07:58 PM

A more computer specific Peltier site. (http://www.arstechnica.com/guide/cooling/peltier-1.html)

Go on, just one nice cold cathode, a nice blue one.

No Billy! No! A thousand times no!

I am considering using phosphorus flares on special occasions though...