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kaiweiler
11-12-2003, 01:59 AM
Hello, I am going to build a new PC, just for myself, so it is nothing huge. Just simple, yet still an upgrade from my shitty one i have now.
this is what i came up with for a reasonable price. are all these parts compatable with each other, or do they have to be? i guess i just want to know if this will work if i buy these parts.

Greenlyph Standard P4/Athlon Mid Tower ATX Case 420W <-Case
Western Digital 80GB 2MB 7200RPM WD800BB <-HD
Generic 512MB PC2700 333MHz DDR Memory <-Ram
ASUS A7V600, 400FSB, SATA, GB LAN, Onboard Sound <-Mobo
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ (Barton) <-Processor
Powercolor RADEON 9200SE 128MB Dual Head Retail <Video Card


PS. i already have a CDRW, ethernet adapter, and a floppy drive, so i do not need them, and along with the top question, is there any other main components i forgot?&#33;
SciManAl
11-12-2003, 02:01 AM
ok what i see looks, good, umm what are you going to use to cool your proccesor? not a biggy, but well yes it is... :P umm other than that looks great, although i bet some poeple here will say to get a different mobo... :rolleyes: but what you have will work great&#33;
kaiweiler
11-12-2003, 02:04 AM
Hey, thanks, this is the processor that i would buy, also listed above, but now in more detail

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ (Barton)
[XP2500+(B)]

2500+ with QuantiSpeed Architecture operates at 1833MHz

0.13 microns Barton Core
L1 Cache (KB): 128KB
L2 Cache (KB): 512KB on-chip
Total on-chip full-speed cache: 640KB
System Bus Speed: 333MHz
SIMD Extensions Supported: MMX
Motherboard Connector Required: Socket A
Fan & Heatsink Included

Does the fan included with that what you were asking, or do i need a different one as well??

And what is a decent mobo then?
SciManAl
11-12-2003, 02:08 AM
your mobo is good
although these questions have to be addressed.
What are you going to use this computer for (extreme gaming or simple uses)
Are you going to OC ANYTHING in the set up??
(the included heat sink will be ok as long as you don&#39;t oc too much B) )
kaiweiler
11-12-2003, 02:12 AM
It is just as a simple computer in my room
will be playing some detailed games though such as counter strike condition zero and wolfenstein enemy territory, online gaming as well.
and the mobo listed above is priced at approx &#036;130 canadian, which isnt bad i dont think.
and i am not familiar with "OCing"
clocker
11-12-2003, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by kaiweiler@11 November 2003 - 19:12

and the mobo listed above is priced at approx &#036;130 canadian, which isnt bad i dont think.
and i am not familiar with "OCing"
An alternate motherboard would be the Asus A7N8X Deluxe v2.0.

I just got one and I love it.

OC= overclocking, something that your Barton core 2500 is supposed to be very good at.
SciManAl
11-12-2003, 02:24 AM
good advise clocker(check your PM) umm OC would be to make your computer go faster than what the CPU says, however i think what you have is ok and for the moment you should not worrie about overclocking...
kaiweiler
11-12-2003, 02:29 AM
okay thank you very much guys
@clocker how much is a Asus A7N8X Deluxe v2.0 in canadian dollars? more then then one listed above?
i checked on www.greenlyph.com, and they didn&#39;t appear to have it, unless i am mistaken
_John_Lennon_
11-12-2003, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by SciManAl@11 November 2003 - 21:08

(the included heat sink will be ok as long as you don&#39;t oc too much B) )
kaiwailer, I am using my standard heatsink and fan, with only two additional case fans, and I have prefectly fine temps, as shown in my sig.

Now, what I would suggest, like nearly EVERYONE does with their Barton, is get the 3200 DDR-Ram, 400Mhz for your Barton, seeing as how it can easily go to 400Mhz side bus, as well as your motherboard was designed for it.

Then, just tweak the settings on the overclocking, keep and eye on temps, and get things in the area you want them to be (I would draw the line at At the very most 53Idle and 53 Load)
SciManAl
11-12-2003, 02:32 AM
clocker you might wqant to post a LINK for him as to where to find it at said price also...
kaiweiler
11-12-2003, 02:37 AM
So would Hynix 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory be a better bet for only &#036;5 more??
The rest of your post kinda went over my head, i think i&#39;ll read it a few more times and try to make sence of it...im more or less a newb lol

@clocker, would the Asus A7N8X Deluxe be worth about &#036;50 canadian more??
SciManAl
11-12-2003, 02:39 AM
YES you got it that is a good set right there that will get the most out of your set up...
_John_Lennon_
11-12-2003, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by kaiweiler@11 November 2003 - 21:37
So would Hynix 512MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory be a better bet for only &#036;5 more??
The rest of your post kinda went over my head, i think i&#39;ll read it a few more times and try to make sence of it...im more or less a newb lol
If its only 5 dollars more than the generic 2700 Ram, than thats a must an excellant choice, to go for the 400Mhz ram.

Also, here is a kick ass tutorial on overclocking, the barton 2500XP+, with benchmarks and a how to guide.

2500+ Barton Overclocking guide (http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD02MTQmdXJsX3BhZ2U9NQ==)

As for what I said earlier, you are currently looking at things like this,

333Mhz CPU. 400Mhz capable
333Mhz Ram
400Mhz capable Motherboard

For 5 bucks more, you can have everything at the 400Mhz line, and be able to overclock much more.

The 2500+ is 1833Mhz I believe, which is what you would be looking at with your current setup, if you just buy the 3200Ram (400Mhz ram) you can get it to where mine is easy 2200Mhz. nearly 366Mhz.
clocker
11-12-2003, 02:42 AM
I am not Canadian, maybe VirtualBody knows of some good, reputable Canadian suppliers.

Also, I&#39;m guessing that the board I recommended is going to be more than his original choice. I was merely providing a known good alternative.
kaiweiler
11-12-2003, 02:47 AM
@ john lennon, okay, thats what i will do, regarding the ram
and thats a nice guide, ill take a look at that&#33; thanks

@ clocker, haha thats okay, from what i&#39;ve heard www.greenlyph.com is the cheapest around, located outside halifax. thanks anyway though clocker&#33; and the Asus A7N8X Deluxe is about &#036;50 more then the ASUS A7V600, is that worth it?
clocker
11-12-2003, 02:55 AM
That I can&#39;t say.

The board I recommended (the v.2.0) had some features that I had to have ( specifically- mounting holes around the processor socket) in order to allow for some planned future upgrades.
The board you showed looks like it is very nice, I have no specific, personal experience with it so I hesitate to say one way or the other.
kaiweiler
11-12-2003, 03:01 AM
that is good, i would rather you didn&#39;t give me an opinion then give me an opinion just by making an uneducated guess, if you are unfamiliar with the product, i respect you for not giving your opinion about it, you can see it in more detail Here (http://www.greenlyph.com/product_info.php?products_id=74) though, then maybe an opinion would surface....
SciManAl
11-12-2003, 03:02 AM
it worth it if you are going to stick with that mobo for a while then you might consider spending a little more, you just ned to wiegh out the pros and cons... if you plan to change it with your next upgrade, then you might consider going cheap...
_John_Lennon_
11-12-2003, 03:47 AM
Well, i compared the motherboards, and aside from the dual channel memory option on the more expensive ASUS board (which can speed things up nicely, if you buy two sticks of ram) the boards seems rather comparable.

http://secure.newegg.com/app/CustratingRev...item=13-131-470 (http://secure.newegg.com/app/CustratingReview.asp?item=13-131-470)

Thats newegg&#39;s reader review&#39;s, and it looks like serveral people in there have a 32500+ with that board, and 3200Ram, and have had no problems from it.

Others have had their horror stories, but probably just a bad egg.
clocker
11-12-2003, 03:50 AM
Originally posted by kaiweiler@11 November 2003 - 20:01
that is good, i would rather you didn&#39;t give me an opinion then give me an opinion just by making an uneducated guess, if you are unfamiliar with the product, i respect you for not giving your opinion about it, you can see it in more detail Here (http://www.greenlyph.com/product_info.php?products_id=74) though, then maybe an opinion would surface....
Read this. (http://www.lostcircuits.com/motherboard/asus_a7v600/14.shtml)
Then this. (http://www.amdboard.com/asusa7n8x.html)

Again I must insist that I am by no means a real expert, just a motivated nOOb.

It looks to me as though the nVidia chipset has some real advantages over the VIA, but these advantages may only exist on paper and in geek forums. In your PC, in your den, it may make no difference at all.
Ultimately of course, you must make up your own mind. Keep in mind however, that just because you are not interested in OCing today, you may be next week.

I think that the A7N8X offers a lot of room for future upgrading and that was a major consideration for me.
johnboy27
11-12-2003, 05:38 AM
Kawailer,PM me dude and I will help you find the stuff you need.Remember I only live about an hour from you and could likely get you some deals around the HRM.
As for the mobo,why not pick up this one (http://www.greenlyph.com/product_info.php?products_id=76) .It is only 109 and has the Nforce2 chipset also.
kaiweiler
11-12-2003, 07:57 PM
Okay, how is the mobo that johnboy mentioned compared to either of the ones i said, i know it is a lot cheaper, but apparantly it is a good mobo. unfortunatly i am not advanced enough to tell for sure.
thanks for your opinions guys, there are some good facts behind both boards, it&#39;s a tough choice, since it is just a simple pc, i think i may go for price, if both would do fine.
lynx
11-12-2003, 10:18 PM
The A7N8X-X doesn&#39;t have the SATA drives support or have gigabit lan capability of the A7V600. But it seems unlikely from your other components that you need either of these, and the NForce2 chipset is certainly supposed to be better.

The A7N8X Deluxe has SATA, dual lan, Dolby sound, Firewire. It&#39;s a lot of money to pay if you don&#39;t need these facilities.
kaiweiler
11-13-2003, 07:54 PM
Thanks Lynx, your opinion and advice has been taken into consideration,
any other opinions out there? ;)