'Article not found' but its only 176 days old why isnt it working?

[tran_derek]

like the title says. I thought the files are hosted for "1300" days or whatever. Im with newsdemons btw. So how can this happen?

http://filesharingtalk.com/nzbs/tv/xvid/47783-UFC-135-HDTV-XviD-W4F

this is one of the files. This has happened to one file that was like 2 days old. Many files have worked but some seem to not work and i dont know why. Any input would great.

[Beck38]

First, start of with your usenet 'service', which is a highwinds reseller. Highwinds is just about universally regarded as the WORST usenet plant in existence.

Sorry, but that's the facts.

[mjmacky]

Basically that means it's most likely a takedown issue and not a retention or propagation issue. Or wait, maybe a propagation issue? Does HW have those problems as well?

[koolfaze]

Use a block account as backup. Problem solved.

[JustDOSE]

like the title says. I thought the files are hosted for "1300" days or whatever. Im with newsdemons btw. So how can this happen? http://filesharingtalk.com/nzbs/tv/xvid/47783-UFC-135-HDTV-XviD-W4F this is one of the files. This has happened to one file that was like 2 days old. Many files have worked but some seem to not work and i dont know why. Any input would great. sometimes they take a file down to comply with a written copyright order.. or ur retention isnt long enough.. it might be on another server but make sure its actually a diff server because alot of resellers are to the same servers

[Hypatia]

http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/444148-Proper-Servers-Setup-VS-Incompletes

[Beck38]

The short of it is, with your current provider, the possibilities of what is causing your problem(s) are pretty endless.

I would hazard that something that is a very recent posting (a couple of days) is most probably a propagation problem between the original posting server (whoever) and highwinds (flip a coin as to which, transmitter or receiver, not enough time for the copyright trolls to get off their lounge chairs to notice the posting; something past that to a month or two it MIGHT be a DMCA notice, something much further out (past a couple months), might be anything.

If you're locked into your provider (multi-month 'contract' or you paid 'up front' for a block of 'time'), then your only recourse is to get a decent block account from someone good (Blocknews or Astraweb) and go from there, keeping an eye on how much gets 'eaten away' by bad or nonexistent blocks from your 'primary' provider.

I think just about everyone here (90+%?) has slowly migrated from whatever (due to problems like you're seeing to outrageous fees) to the Astraweb/Blocknews combo. Astra is 'good' about 98% of the time, does go 'off the rails' occasionally, but Blocknews is VERY stable and has low cost blocks to be the 'backup'. Those staying with Giganews (very high price) even use one of the other two since Giga is the 'first stop' on the Troll train, usually.

I think no matter who you use as your 'primary', Blocknews is a 'must have' for usenet 'secondary'.

[mjmacky]

like the title says. I thought the files are hosted for "1300" days or whatever. Im with newsdemons btw. So how can this happen? http://filesharingtalk.com/nzbs/tv/xvid/47783-UFC-135-HDTV-XviD-W4F this is one of the files. This has happened to one file that was like 2 days old. Many files have worked but some seem to not work and i dont know why. Any input would great. sometimes they take a file down to comply with a written copyright order.. or ur retention isnt long enough.. it might be on another server but make sure its actually a diff server because alot of resellers are to the same servers

I will be the official JustDOSE translator, in case anyone doesn't speak retard.

"Sometimes they comply with takedown notices for copyright infringement violations and remove the file from their servers, or the file is not encompassed within the advertised retention time. It's possible that the file is on another server, but you should check the routing information to verify you are attempting to connect to a different server, as many resellers direct all connections to the same server."

See, it's not all that hard to sound literate, is it?

[tran_derek]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I wasn't aware that 'usenet' we're susceptible to takedown notices. As far as my provider i just signed up month to month so ill most likely cancel and go with something else, like Astraweb like one user mentioned. Now I understand a little bit more about how the 'usenet' service works. Thanks again.

[Beck38]

Just a small (!?!) bit of legalese here with those 'takedowns'.

The DMCA is the 'act' in question, but it allows all the providers 'safe harbor' IF they set up a complaint and take-down procedure.

Now, you're asking yourself, what the @($^@*!! is a 'safe harbor'? Well, it means you can't sue or otherwise harass an entity (commercial or otherwise) just because a third party (mr. uploader) put a 'offending' item on their server. It's up to YOU, the copyright troll, to jump through the hoops and such to due the legal due diligence to cross all the t's and dot all the i's in your complaint, through that complaint process.

Of course, some entity could complain, and have absolutely no justification or legal right to do that complaining, That's what got YouTube in so much trouble about a year ago, they were taking down things that weren't legally copyrightable, simply because someone 'said' they were (a copyright 'troll'). In short, they were taking the complainants word with no legal council in the middle. Then THEY (YouTube) got sued silly by the folks who's material got 'taken down'.

To say that the entire 'process' is 'under new management' at YouTube is putting it mildly.

We have yet to see that in the usenet world.... yet.

But the usernet servers are covered by the same 'safe harbor' provisions, as long as they have a process (usually they simply contract that out to a legal firm, which is what YouTube DIDN'T do, they thought that they could save bucks by simply yanking stuff down upon any yahoo who could fill out a form).

Of course, there are lots of usenet servers out there, and the usenet 'network' is an electronic bucket brigade which 'echos' passing things around the net. So if a 'troll' wants to stomp on something, they've got to write up the process papers and be ready to send out the paperwork dozens and dozens of times, to each of the server companies. Fast.

I really don't think that the 'trolls' get the concept, really. Just send out the 'takedown' order to Giganews and that will stop it!

Yep.

[mjmacky]

That's what got YouTube in so much trouble about a year ago, they were taking down things that weren't legally copyrightable, simply because someone 'said' they were (a copyright 'troll'). In short, they were taking the complainants word with no legal council in the middle.

In my recent experience Youtube is still doing that with regards to the contentID system, the "takedown" method depends on whoever has registered the particular content. The problem is that the contentID systems seems to grab anything that isn't a short sound byte of someone talking, thus lots of videos are getting contentID matches and having audio disabled or some advertisement put on. The first person to jump through hoops is the video uploader, then the baton is passed on to the copyright claimant so that they can jump through some counter hoops. It's a highly abused and mindfucked system.

I assume that when Giganews and Highwinds take down content, they do it for ALL of their servers? I've yet to use a server outside of AW so I'm not really on the up and up about their incompletes.

[JustDOSE]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I wasn't aware that 'usenet' we're susceptible to takedown notices. As far as my provider i just signed up month to month so ill most likely cancel and go with something else, like Astraweb like one user mentioned. Now I understand a little bit more about how the 'usenet' service works. Thanks again. yar it rarely happens(take downs) but your best option is to get a fill server but like i mentioned in previous post make sure its a diff server (find out who your usenet provider is reselling for) but yea astraweb is the best personally, never had a single problem with them

[zot]

I assume that when Giganews and Highwinds take down content, they do it for ALL of their servers?

That seems to be the case. When the NY AG pressured them a few years ago to ban a long list of groups that frequently contained child porn (or with titles even remotely suggestive of child porn) the axe fell on their Amsterdam servers as well -- even though there were no problems with laws or government authorities there. It's been the same situation on content with differing copyright terms (like the classic Elvis songs being public domain in Europe for years, but will still be copyrighted in the USA for many decades to come) but I think these companies just remove everything on demand, valid or not, because don't want any possible trouble with the law.



I've yet to use a server outside of AW so I'm not really on the up and up about their incompletes.
I've very rarely come across an old file on Highwinds that did not need to be fixed with pars. That's in addition to the obvious takedowns like H.BO shows, so Highwinds suffers greatly compared to other providers regarding both types of incompletes.

[nntpjunkie]

First, start of with your usenet 'service', which is a highwinds reseller. Highwinds is just about universally regarded as the WORST usenet plant in existence.

Sorry, but that's the facts.

Wrong, anyone who actually uses a Highwinds providers knows that is not true - I could produce tons of threads about the problems of many other providers but can't count on one hand the number of outages and or speed drops or retention black holes that any of the main Highwinds providers have had in the last year - no one needs to buy into this dinosaur's attitude about Highwinds. The Highwinds that Beck talks about has not been around for a long long time. Newshosting and Usenetserver are awesome, sure they have DMCA takedows because it is the law and they still, might I add, have less of a problem than giganews. I do myself support Newhosting and Usenetserver as they rock solid and reliable, they are just about the only providers around who can actually give you a full 100Mb(12+MB/sec) connection without throwing up all over itself or requiring you to use a ridiculous number of connections. The answer to the DMCA gaps simple, get an Astraweb block account and call it a day. Astraweb either does not abide by law or has fewer DMCA requests, either way they can usually in any gaps - speed often sucks but you do get some of the missing pieces.

Everybody knows no matter who your provider is you got to have a backup block account :)

[Hypatia]

they are just about the only providers around who can actually give you a full 100Mb(12+MB/sec) connection without throwing up all over itself or requiring you to use a ridiculous number of connections.

simply not true

Astraweb - 56Mbyte. Bite me =))

Speed is slow only on weekends due to maintenance( refilling missing articles) + during their bad range which gets shorter and shorter


get an Astraweb block account and call it a day. not an option if you are a fan of console games(100% take down), hbo to a certain extent and popular pc games. . block account will be wasted very fast