Swasticka

[Skeptic-WM]

I would llike to discuss about Swastika how had it attract Hitler and bring about the the miss use of Swastika, what was the idea behind the use of Swastika to represent Racist ideology... and where was it originatd?






here are the Website that I have visited;

http://www.locksley.com/6696/swastick.htm

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ww2era.htm

http://www.swastika-info.com/

http://www.swastika.com/

http://www.intelinet.org/swastika/index.html


Would like to have idea from those who are interested in sharing the same topic, and would like to have a suggestion on furter information and knowledge.


Thank you.

[MagicNakor]

The swastika's been used in a lot of different religions, so it's difficult to trace it back to a specific point.

There are a few theories as to how Hitler came about to use it, one being that as a choirboy there was a swastika in the church that he attended, so he spent a lot of time looking up at it (and on an angle).

:ninja:

[YoRu]

yea saw a few on buddha statues last time i was in Beijing .... or in Iran u can see them on old temple fragments..... really weird....

[Darth Sushi]

BTW, why are you so interested in swastikas? How do swastikas make you feel?

[Smurfette]

Originally posted by Darth Sushi@17 November 2003 - 20:33
BTW, why are you so interested in swastikas? How do swastikas make you feel?
LOL.
What's next, "Tell me about your childhood"? ;)

[Darth Sushi]

Originally posted by Smurfette+17 November 2003 - 23:24--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Smurfette @ 17 November 2003 - 23:24)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Darth Sushi@17 November 2003 - 20:33
BTW, why are you so interested in swastikas? How do swastikas make you feel?
LOL.
What&#39;s next, "Tell me about your childhood"? ;) [/b][/quote]
Tell me about your mother ;)

[Skeptic-WM]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@17 November 2003 - 19:39
The swastika&#39;s been used in a lot of different religions, so it&#39;s difficult to trace it back to a specific point.

There are a few theories as to how Hitler came about to use it, one being that as a choirboy there was a swastika in the church that he attended, so he spent a lot of time looking up at it (and on an angle).

:ninja:
Do you have more specific sources where I can relly on e.g. electronic sources or web site on How it attract Hitler. And Why have he chosen Swasticka... why not the other Cross plenty available...


Any how thanks your information was useful... :)





Thanks :)

[MagicNakor]

Mmm no...I&#39;m sure that it&#39;s on the net somewhere, but I got that from a history book a while ago.

:ninja:

[Skeptic-WM]

Originally posted by Darth Sushi@18 November 2003 - 03:33
BTW, why are you so interested in swastikas? How do swastikas make you feel?


:) You tell me how you felt about Swasticka?

http://www.swastika-info.com/images/kosmos/galaxy/gal_M83.jpg

:D What is your Idea? And how you like it...

Look carefully it does remind you of Swastika isn&#39;t it?





:) Regard.

[Skeptic-WM]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@18 November 2003 - 15:01
Mmm no...I&#39;m sure that it&#39;s on the net somewhere, but I got that from a history book a while ago.

:ninja:
:) Thanks, could you recomend that book name and author for me please...







Thanks.

[GibboNet]

Originally posted by Darth Sushi@17 November 2003 - 20:33
BTW, why are you so interested in swastikas?
More often than not, these sort of questions on any forum mean a kid needing help with homework. <_<

That doesn&#39;t remind me of a swastika at all... :huh:

[MagicNakor]

No, because I don&#39;t have the book anymore.

It was some time ago. As in some years ago. ;)

:ninja:

[Skeptic-WM]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@18 November 2003 - 15:13
No, because I don&#39;t have the book anymore.

It was some time ago. As in some years ago. ;)

:ninja:
:) Thanks :D

[Skeptic-WM]

Originally posted by GibboNet+18 November 2003 - 15:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GibboNet @ 18 November 2003 - 15:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Darth Sushi@17 November 2003 - 20:33
BTW, why are you so interested in swastikas?
More often than not, these sort of questions on any forum mean a kid needing help with homework. <_<

That doesn&#39;t remind me of a swastika at all... :huh: [/b][/quote]
I am all that is, was or ever will be...

[~FunK_mOb~]

The sun wheel, or swastika, was a symbol in the ancient Nordic Indo-European language, Sanskrit, meaning "well being" or "good", from the fact that the sun was regarded as a source of goodness. This symbol was carried by invading Indo-Europeans into Europe, India and even China. The ancient link to the Indo-European people was then the reason why Adolf Hitler chose the swastika as his movement&#39;s emblem.

[Skeptic-WM]

Originally posted by ~FunK_mOb~@18 November 2003 - 16:06
The sun wheel, or swastika, was a symbol in the ancient Nordic Indo-European language, Sanskrit, meaning "well being" or "good", from the fact that the sun was regarded as a source of goodness. This symbol was carried by invading Indo-Europeans into Europe, India and even China. The ancient link to the Indo-European people was then the reason why Adolf Hitler chose the swastika as his movement&#39;s emblem.
:) Thank you, that some how cleared my doubt...


I have got to know that Swasticka in Hinduism represent the eternity of life as well and a sign of Good luck. In relation of what you said Swasticka was there presented in Europe, India and even China... as well as other part of the world, I have found out that it some how represent different believes and meaning in itself.
You have stated that It repsent "well being" or "good"... Hence the question arises does Swasticka have a common universal meaning, if it does for all the race what is it?







Thank you. :)

[~FunK_mOb~]

I just noticed that the info I gave you came from a site that justifies racism :o (my mistake).So maybe this isn&#39;t the best or most reliable info available.

I think this (http://www.room23.de/1208.html) might give you a more correct answer on what the swastika represents.

[Skeptic-WM]

Originally posted by ~FunK_mOb~@18 November 2003 - 16:46
I just noticed that the info I gave you came from a site that justifies racism :o (my mistake).So maybe this isn&#39;t the best or most reliable info available.

I think this (http://www.room23.de/1208.html) might give you a more correct answer on what the swastika represents.

:D Thanks a lot, a lot, a lot... it is really useful



Scholarly research on the swastika in modern times, however, seems to be limited to two peak periods: the first around the beginning of the twentieth century; the second during the period of the emergency of Nazism in Germany.

Though Hitler himself gives his version of why the swastika was adopted as a symbol of the Nazi movement, there are several other explanations. The Swastika and the Nazis is an attempt to show the different theories without taking sides on which of them may the correct one. As it happens with many historical events most likely there is not a single explanation, and the correct answer is a combination of some of these theories.

As an example of this I can point to the fact that, even though the swastika is an important symbol in Japan, the Kodansha Encyclopedia of Japan (1983 edition) shows no entry under the subject of the swastika.


The most widely accepted explanation of how Adolf Hitler adopted the swastika as a symbol of the Nazi movement is found in his Mein Kampf. The connection, he claimed, came through Dr. Friedrich Krohn, a dentist, and member of the Nazi party.

By the summer of 1920 the swastika was commonly used in Germany as the official symbol of the Nazi (short for Hitler&#39;s Nazional- socialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) [National Socialist German Workers&#39; Party]) party. After its adoption by the Nazis, few other symbols in the history of mankind have become so widely associated with evil.

Most authors agree that it was Hitler himself who chose the swastika as a symbol of his Nazi movement. There is no agreement, however, about who influenced him into making such decision.

In Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler claimed that the form in which the Nazis used the swastika was based on a design by Dr. Friedrich Krohn, a dentist who had belonged to several Völkisch groups, including the Germanen Order. Krohn, a dentist from Starnberg, submitted his design of a flag which had been used at the founding meeting of his own party local: a swastika against a black-white-red background. The swastika, for long time a symbol of the Teutonic Knights, had been in use by Lanz von Liebenfels, the Thule Society and a number of Freikorps units.

Hitler gives his own account: "Actually, a dentist from Starnberg did deliver a design that was not bad after all, and, incidentally, was quite close to my own, having only the one fault that a swastika with curved legs was composed into a white disk."

Krohn knew that the Buddhist destroverse or clockwise swastika symbolized good fortune and well being, and made his design accordingly, with the swastika&#39;s legs pointing to the left.

The majority of the Nazi leaders accepted Krohn&#39;s design, but Hitler insisted on a sinistroverse or anti-clockwise one and changed the design accordingly.

What influence Hitler to have the Swasticka&#39;s legs pointing to the right (counterclockwise swastika), which means is regarded as symbolizing movement "away from the Godhead,"? Was it a Faith, or intentionally chosen?

[Skeptic-WM]

What influence Hitler to have the Swasticka&#39;s legs pointing to the right (counterclockwise swastika), which means is regarded as symbolizing movement "away from the Godhead,"? Was it a Faith, or intentionally chosen?

[Wolfmight]

http://www.locksley.com/6696/fr_cave.gif
Heh germans prob jus lived in that cave in france.. they did want to rule the entire world.
Ehh, but now USA does.

[Skeptic-WM]

Heh germans prob jus lived in that cave in france.. they did want to rule the entire world.
Ehh, but now USA does.


:D USA comes to this matters in a more clever forms... Manipulation of the International system... and using the weak points of international org. like UN

;) Propogating the Global American Type of Democracy...

:lol: Perhaps might not be hundred percent rights... would like to have your comments please