Dave: Mary, no. I am your father.

[mjmacky]

WARNING this post will have content of length that is overwhelming for the average forumular consumption. You could potentially be wasting too much of your time. I just saved you like 15 minutes, you're welcome. Bye.

If you happen to be uber bored and like getting juicy candid details of someone else's personal life, then by all means continue. This will be another Dave thread that's not actually about Dave but he'll probably show up to try to make it about him anyway. Don't take my word for it, I asked Carly and that's what she told me.

I realized why I'm so mean to Dave now, why I probably tend to find him to be more detestable than anyone else here does (including squeams). He reminds me so much of my nasty father. I don't think about this sperm donor ever, but then I made an offhand comment today in doob's apocalypse thread. It clicked exactly how similar Dave and my father are. Overly paranoid, delusional, stalking, insecure, vain, inept, lying... the whole kitten caboodle [sic]. I kept a collection of emails from my father when he tried to get back into contact with me approx. 8 years after we ceased all contact. It was a while back and he had just gotten on the internets, at which point he found me through my university website's profile. I don't have any of my replies to him since everything was lost from sent mail or something like that.

In the spoilers I'll post my father's emails to me, spanning the length of about half a year of infrequent contact. It's start to finish, him finding me, and then a permanent parting of ways, if that was ever a major fucking euphemism. You've probably come to know me as anonymously candid at this point, so it shouldn't be a big fucking surprise that I'd be doing something like this. If you don't want to bother with the spoiler mess, I am also linking the tidy single pdf document, no download necessary, so the pics in spoilers are just for anyone who doesn't want to go off site. A big waste of my time I know, nobody's going to bother to read this except by accident when they're dead wasted? Well, I'm just one accommodating badass, aren't I?

Online PDF:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/91728287/Father-Prick-Redact
-There are commentary notes to fill in context where needed, same thing in the images (which are basically the PDF broken up into smaller parts)

The story of my father Dave

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[mjmacky]

Probably worth mentioning that he was in his late 50's at the time of the exchange, which would explain why he was so late in meeting the internets.

[IdolEyes787]

So who's Luke's father then?

[mjmacky]

Lukes don't have fathers. Arletta is his mother.

[IdolEyes787]

Lukes don't have fathers. Arletta is his mother.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oik6dXm-0l0

[megabyteme]

For me, Dave boils down to a similar concept to Marv's thoughts on hitmen in Sin City (2005):


Marv: I love hitmen. No matter what you do to them, you don't feel bad.

:happy:

[mjmacky]

Lukes don't have fathers. Arletta is his mother.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oik6dXm-0l0

Are you trying to tell me that anyone who brings a strap to a man is the daddy?

[IdolEyes787]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lwdgkG8j7Y

[IdolEyes787]

Closed captioned for the hearing impaired.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtpUv4VBDhA&feature=related

[mjmacky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lwdgkG8j7Y

30 seconds to load an 8s clip @360p... no youtube, no :no:

[megabyteme]

Closed captioned for the hearing impaired.

[video]

I like this chick! :happy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KoXbhtkyK80

[mjmacky]

Unbelievable, I have this file too? Should not exist. Hilarious though, especially the part that says DO NOT TELEPHONE THE CITY POLICE, otherwise they will come to arrest you. Well, here's the infamous fake letter, was written as if it were sent from a police department, with a PO Box address :slap:

110021

[mjmacky]

Don't eat the dead lesbians, the dead lesbians are forbidden.

[manker]

That took me way longer than 15 minutes to read, probably closer to an hour. I don't know if I'm slow at reading or whether it was because I had to get so close to the screen because the font was small and I kept having to stop because I was uncomfortable.
I also don't know why I didn't use zoom right at the start ... no, hang on, I do; it's because of the 15 minute promise.

I recognise Dave in your dad too, Mary.
That PI stuff is weird. Also I don't understand why at no point did he suggest meeting up with you, it surely would have been quicker and easier to hash out stuff than with all those typed words.

I guess it's easy for me to say but I can see some good in him as well as the obvious bad. He did try really hard initially.
The later emails made it pretty clear, though, that too many bridges were burned. He would have been better advised, if his sentiments were genuine, to have simply said; 'I fucked up so much stuff but I want another chance. If you think there's a small possibility that you could somehow forgive me, perhaps we could meet and talk.'

All that thrashing around and blaming other people was fucking stupid, even if it was half true.
As far as I can see, humility would have been the only card he had to play.

[IdolEyes787]

That took me way longer than 15 minutes to read, probably closer to an hour. I don't know if I'm slow at reading or whether it was because I had to get so close to the screen because the font was small and I kept having to stop because I was uncomfortable.
I also don't know why I didn't use zoom right at the start ... no, hang on, I do; it's because of the 15 minute promise.


You're real name wouldn't happen to be Job would it?

[manker]

I don't get that.
And if it's a movie reference, I'm going to hunt down and torture your descendants with a semtex baseball bat.

[manker]

Closed captioned for the hearing impaired.

[video]

I like this chick! :happy:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KoXbhtkyK80+1
Man, the deaf are so fucking hot.

Especially the geeky ones.

[megabyteme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R3q9vYtbqWI

:D

[IdolEyes787]

I have to remember that I'm dealing with heathens.

Btw I watched a movie called Donkey Punch (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0988849/)

The wimins in it are hot and nude and also do sex stuff with people.

[manker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R3q9vYtbqWI

:D
Fuck me, she's a lefty too. Could she be any more perfect. Quirks ftw.

A mate of mine pulled this deaf girl in a pub after footie a while back. He took her back to his place and later on woke up to discover her in the corner of his room, pissing in his kit-bag. Luckily, he's into that so he ragged her senseless.

True Story.

[megabyteme]

Fuck me, she's a lefty too. Could she be any more perfect. Quirks ftw.

A mate of mine pulled this deaf girl in a pub after footie a while back. He took her back to his place and later on woke up to discover her in the corner of his room, pissing in his kit-bag. Luckily, he's into that so he ragged her senseless.

True Story.

Am I the only one here who teared up a bit from the romance of it all? :wub:

[manker]

I have to remember that I'm dealing with heathens.

Btw I watched a movie called Donkey Punch (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0988849/)

The wimins in it are hot and nude and also do sex stuff with people.Your write up looked promising until I realised that there were no vampires and I see nothing about a diary in the plot description :(

[IdolEyes787]

Princess Diaries 2:The Trip to Transylvania.

[mjmacky]

Princess Diaries 2:The Trip to Transylvania.

What a temptress you are, you knew manker was a huge fan of the original Princess Diaries didn't you?

[mjmacky]

That took me way longer than 15 minutes to read, probably closer to an hour. I don't know if I'm slow at reading or whether it was because I had to get so close to the screen because the font was small and I kept having to stop because I was uncomfortable.
I also don't know why I didn't use zoom right at the start ... no, hang on, I do; it's because of the 15 minute promise.

I recognise Dave in your dad too, Mary.
That PI stuff is weird. Also I don't understand why at no point did he suggest meeting up with you, it surely would have been quicker and easier to hash out stuff than with all those typed words.

I guess it's easy for me to say but I can see some good in him as well as the obvious bad. He did try really hard initially.
The later emails made it pretty clear, though, that too many bridges were burned. He would have been better advised, if his sentiments were genuine, to have simply said; 'I fucked up so much stuff but I want another chance. If you think there's a small possibility that you could somehow forgive me, perhaps we could meet and talk.'

All that thrashing around and blaming other people was fucking stupid, even if it was half true.
As far as I can see, humility would have been the only card he had to play.

Whoa Nelly. I'm not sure if you were missing my comments, but the guy wasn't in any way a decent fellow. That's how he played his game, he tries to talk up a charm on you, and anybody that's ever been in his company for more than 100 hours knows it's a major front. He also used to be a pretty funny guy, just as long as you weren't disagreeing with him. Basically, it's a con, and he was actually attempting it on me as if I had no memory of my childhood with him. My replies were usually along the lines of, "you need to cut back on that, you're insulting my intelligence to assume I'd be eating this up". Everybody liked the guy the first few times they met him. I was civil with the conversation those first 4-5 months, which is why he kept working his angle, but my brother came straight out and vented, and from what I remember my father sent some pretty nasty emails to him in reply. It dredged up a whole lot of repressed emotions and my brother flipped, justifiably so.

It's probably key information that no one has had anything to do with him for the past 10-15 years, not any of his brothers, obviously none of the ex-wives, none of his sons, none of the former step-families, not a single one. Actually, the only person that was in contact with him was his father, who was just shy of 20 years his senior but looked and seemed younger.

He was also a sick fuck. Besides some of the other tidbits I provided, he would have my brother and I beat each other, and if the crack didn't echo through the house, he'd make us regret our lack of effort. Though to be fair, he usually decided he was suitable to man the reins and thus we only had to beat each other a rather small percentage of the time; however, you remember that shit more than anything else. He hung one of his belts on our bedroom wall, its sole existence was to whip us, typically several times a week. Maybe "hung" was the wrong word, it was mounted horizontally, much like you would put a samurai sword on display.

So basically his mistake was to think I was going to be gullible enough to fall for that. And in typical response, if you don't share his delusions, you're an enemy who's out to deface him. I think "I am sorry that fathered you" puts a key punctuation on that. That's not even the first rendition of it, he used to tell us he hoped to god that he's not our father, that our mother was a whore and probably got knocked up by someone else and he would pray it was true. If it weren't for the fact that I looked like my older brothers (from another mother), I might have started to buy into it at that age (I was like 11 or 12).

Sorry about my 15 minute fib, I didn't take the time to calculate accurately and thought 15 min would be a sufficiently scary number.

[chalice]

Your dad is a total arse-biscuit, but you seemed to have arrived at that conclusion all of your own volition.

Tantalise the bastard forever. Arrange to meet the cunt, citing the transient nature of life, reassessment, and the density of blood in relation to water. Then simply don't turn up and say apologetically that you chickened out at the last minute. Do this every six months until the cunt croaks. Overdue catharsis ftw.

[ckrit]

A couple of thoughts @mary:

I believe we've found the source of your autism :smilie4:

And

Apologies if this has been answered already, I cba to read more:

What do you reckon he was trying to do, really? The man sounds like a bit of a sociopath or similar, so I'm assuming there's something more to what he was doing than just him wanting to be friends again. In my experience, not even being related to you or having known you for many years will make a person like that just come around and want to spend time with you simply because they like you. It's always because they think they might have something more to gain.

[mjmacky]

A couple of thoughts @mary:

I believe we've found the source of your autism :smilie4:

And

Apologies if this has been answered already, I cba to read more:

What do you reckon he was trying to do, really? The man sounds like a bit of a sociopath or similar, so I'm assuming there's something more to what he was doing than just him wanting to be friends again. In my experience, not even being related to you or having known you for many years will make a person like that just come around and want to spend time with you simply because they like you. It's always because they think they might have something more to gain.

I kind of already know why, or what he was looking to gain. The man can't stand having his entire family cut him loose. My other brothers (especially their wives) won't let him even play grandpa, so he approached the two people he had yet to form an adult relationship with. Except the very reason he has alienated himself is that he comes with the entire package or not at all. He thought we would be willing participants in this. I mean, he isn't very clever and I guess that's his downfall, it's just way too obvious.

What frightens me, and still does a little, is that I have held a similar tendency to push off my family. Through certain relationship events in my life, I've been more than willing to head down the same path he has. Was the man born this way? No. That complete distrust in the rest of humanity, including his whole family. I've got demons to fight I guess.

[mjmacky]

Your dad is a total arse-biscuit, but you seemed to have arrived at that conclusion all of your own volition.

Tantalise the bastard forever. Arrange to meet the cunt, citing the transient nature of life, reassessment, and the density of blood in relation to water. Then simply don't turn up and say apologetically that you chickened out at the last minute. Do this every six months until the cunt croaks. Overdue catharsis ftw.

You know those moments in movies where a character is so obvious at their attempts of deception that you are forced to cringe watching the scene, as the entire train wreck of reason, naivete and fail unfold? Well, I hate those fucking scenes, I physically respond to them. I reacted the same to correspondences with him. At least with Dave I can at least compartmentalize and pretend he's entirely a myth. I am physically incapable of trolling my father if it involves having to read anything he writes or listen to anything he says.

I had thought about fucking with his business before, you know like on the internets and stuff, since I know the bastard isn't going to leave me any money. Also, I despise specific types of security guards. Speaking of which, I just went off on a tangent while writing this message to find out if he's had bad business reviews, he has a youtube video now. He's lost a lot of fucking weight, I wouldn't have even recognized him on the street.

[ckrit]

A couple of thoughts @mary:

I believe we've found the source of your autism :smilie4:

And

Apologies if this has been answered already, I cba to read more:

What do you reckon he was trying to do, really? The man sounds like a bit of a sociopath or similar, so I'm assuming there's something more to what he was doing than just him wanting to be friends again. In my experience, not even being related to you or having known you for many years will make a person like that just come around and want to spend time with you simply because they like you. It's always because they think they might have something more to gain.

I kind of already know why, or what he was looking to gain. The man can't stand having his entire family cut him loose. My other brothers (especially their wives) won't let him even play grandpa, so he approached the two people he had yet to form an adult relationship with. Except the very reason he has alienated himself is that he comes with the entire package or not at all. He thought we would be willing participants in this. I mean, he isn't very clever and I guess that's his downfall, it's just way too obvious.

What frightens me, and still does a little, is that I have held a similar tendency to push off my family. Through certain relationship events in my life, I've been more than willing to head down the same path he has. Was the man born this way? No. That complete distrust in the rest of humanity, including his whole family. I've got demons to fight I guess.
Did I say sociopath? I'm just going to put on my internets-psychologist badge and change that to narcissist. Which, incidentally, actually also does fit dave better.

At any rate, at least you don't seem like an idiot, and basically, that should ensure you don't end up being the sort of dim and abusive twat that he seems to be.

[ckrit]

There's actually something to say in favour of being exposed to manipulative people with personality malfunctions at some point in one's life, btw. Namely that the next time around, you'll spot them a mile off. In my case it has saved me from potentially very bad situations a couple of times now.

This in no way makes up for whatever happened the first time around, of course. Also, trusting people is harder this way. Which probably obviously explains why you keep people at a distance.

(Me, I trust my closest family (parents, siblings) almost without reservation, but outside of that, I still can't help keeping people at a distance, and that's not something you do away with. Not sure it's really an altogether bad thing, either.)

[Squeamous]

:cry:
I just feel really sad after reading all that. It makes me sad to think you went through everything you did when you were little, Mary. I just want to give you a big hug, but you'd probably just start bashing your ears and screaming :console:

It sounds like your dad is a fantasist and a narcissist, and it sounds as though he was attracted to women with problems who might possibly be weak enough to provide him with validation and purpose in life. Your mother probably did her best, but she was found wanting too. Then you, your brother and a number of other offspring wandered innocently into the midst of the mess.
You obviously are able to forgive, because you and your mother have reconciled your differences and she has admitted her failings. Although, her failings seem to be those of neglect rather than abuse, which I think are far easier to forgive.
I understand now where the lack of desire to have children comes from anyway :)

[mjmacky]

You obviously are able to forgive, because you and your mother have reconciled your differences and she has admitted her failings.

What'd you say 'bout my mama? I probably should have mapped out that story a little more clearly as well as my relationship with her since it was the only positive influence in my life.

My mom's been through a lot of shit in her life. I'll map it out in phases:
1) She was kicked out of her house at 14, married with a kid at 16, graduated college at 18 while working and raising my sister, all the while her husband at the time was very violent, broke her back once (literally broke). She was not a subservient women, which I guess really frustrated the men she was with. Her husband commits suicide when she was still 18, leaving her alone with her daughter. His family blames her for it and starts a long campaign of planting seeds of vengeance within her daughter.

2) Gets engaged to a dentist and converts to Judaism, being the unapproved Shiksa, who then forces her to carry out two abortions. She leaves the Jew.

3) Starts dating my dad who has sons from his first marriage, gets knocked up, I attend their wedding. We all move to Florida and she pops out my brother, my dad abandons her and all 5 of us children while she fends for herself and raises us. My dad comes back a little less than a year later and collects his sons, leaving behind me, my brother and sister.

4) She gets together with another man, who has 2 of his own sons and a daughter. Basically was a common law marriage situation. He pilfers money out of the accounts over a couple of years while my mom works as an accountant to pay all of the bills and household expenses, he was responsible only for the mortgage (which he wasn't doing apparently). Something happens between my step family and my sister so she goes to live with her aunt and uncle in New York. Her common law husband puts the house in her name and then takes off (not sure of the specifics on the property) when she gets diagnosed with cancer. House is foreclosed on, she hustles us up to Massachusetts, and my brother and I are eventually left in my dad's care

5) We visit her on school breaks and such without quite understanding why we don't just live with her. From her perspective she was preparing for death, making sure that we got used to living with our father while she was still alive. We would confess to her the misery of living with our father and all the shit that goes down while living with him, breaks her damn heart it does. She pushes on and enrolls in a host of experimental programs to finance cancer treatments she couldn't afford. She goes colorblind as a side effect from one of the procedures. Beats cancer and goes into remission. Up until the moment she got the good news, my father would phone her every day to ask what the prognosis was. Once the doctor confirmed her status, my father decides to get us the fuck out his house (he couldn't wait).

6) We are driven back down to Florida, reunite with our mother knowing that we'll be living with her permanently. Best fucking day in our lives. We get a cat and name her Trinity. Start living in a couple of ghettos, literally becoming the only two white boys in every neighborhood we lived in. After a year or two, our dad decides he wants us to visit. We stay with him one summer, during which he starts pressuring me to convince my mother and brother that we should move back in with him. What's the opposite of buyer's remorse, where you wish you didn't take the item back to the store? I tease him along for the rest of the summer, he wises up to the game after we get safely back to Florida. He tells us to fuck off and have a nice life.

7) She gets together with her current husband, who had just left his crazy stripper wife. Well ex-stripper, it was the only job that psycho bitch ever held. Nothing against strippers. First guy in her entire life to treat her right, he also has a couple sons, he's a real decent guy. Goes through the most fearsome custody battle for his kids, as the crazy stripper ex-wife starts banging an 80 year old psychiatrists financing an entire circus of lawyers and legal proceedings. Wins the custody battle after about 3 years of fighting, things are pretty much copacetic for several years. Meanwhile, the ex-wife continues with crazy antics during visitations, eventually wrecking her children's psyches and my brother starts really acting out. My brother goes off the map, and I move off to college. As for the step brothers, eventually they decided the mother would do far less damage to the children if they just lived with her permanently, the decision really fucked up their dad in his head. My mom and her man move up to a remote location in the mountains, he get rejuvenated and they struggle on.

And that pretty much cuts the whole backbone of it right there. There is not a person on this earth that I have more respect for than my mother. The mountain people have started influencing her political views, but other than that we get right along. She's the reason I'm a feminist, the reason I have an interest in clever writing, the reason I'm open-minded, all of that. If she didn't intelligently counsel me through so much shit that I was dealing with, I would have ended up in as bad a shape as my brother. If I didn't have to watch her struggle through so much, I wouldn't have the downright humble appreciation for the simplest of things and such a distaste for excesses.

[mjmacky]

To combine two other points you two made, how could I want children if I don't want to be close to anyone?
/rhetorical

Transitional periods, I think I'm in one.

[Snee]

We should all swap secret origin stories some time.

I heard dave got bitten by a radioactive plank and got the proportional cunning of one, for example.

[mjmacky]

In 20 years we can move our brains and existence to the internet, I'm just doing the legwork.

/scifi

[mjmacky]

Fucking Dave will be a BSOD

[Artemis]

We should all swap secret origin stories some time.

I heard dave got bitten by a radioactive plank and got the proportional cunning of one, for example.
[[http://i.imgur.com/e6pJJ.png

[manker]

I read all the posts in this thread this morning, including the one that was addressed to me, but I didn't have time to formulate a considered reply and didn't want to be flippant.

Now I've more or less forgotten it all and can't quite work up the impetus to read it again. Can someone please remind me tomoro that I have to do this.

[mjmacky]

I read all the posts in this thread this morning, including the one that was addressed to me, but I didn't have time to formulate a considered reply and didn't want to be flippant.

Now I've more or less forgotten it all and can't quite work up the impetus to read it again. Can someone please remind me tomoro that I have to do this.

You were meant to retract that my father was a decent fellow.

[manker]

I read all the posts in this thread this morning, including the one that was addressed to me, but I didn't have time to formulate a considered reply and didn't want to be flippant.

Now I've more or less forgotten it all and can't quite work up the impetus to read it again. Can someone please remind me tomoro that I have to do this.

You were meant to retract that my father was a decent fellow.Didn't I just say that he tried hard initially in the mails.

[mjmacky]

You were meant to retract that my father was a decent fellow.Didn't I just say that he tried hard initially in the mails.

Is that why I went on to explain what he was trying? :huh:

[manker]

Possibly :unsure:

More on this tomorrow, there's footie on tonight and I have to get pre-emptorily pished :01:

[Squeamous]

I don't understand how an intelligent woman with so much going for her could make such a mess of everything. She must have had a very shitty upbringing :idunno:

[mjmacky]

I don't understand how an intelligent woman with so much going for her could make such a mess of everything. She must have had a very shitty upbringing :idunno:

She did have a hard upbringing, the product of that being phase 1. Also, men suck, do they not? All the men probably seemed like decent blokes in the beginning, well except the first one, that was just young love.

[Squeamous]

She did have a hard upbringing, the product of that being phase 1. Also, men suck, do they not? All the men probably seemed like decent blokes in the beginning, well except the first one, that was just young love.

They suck as hard as you let them tbh. The ones who suck generally don't last more than 4 months before I'm lining up the next one to see if he can do any better. And until I find one who can I have a coil fitted. But then my background is totally different, we're different ages and different women.

[mjmacky]

She did have a hard upbringing, the product of that being phase 1. Also, men suck, do they not? All the men probably seemed like decent blokes in the beginning, well except the first one, that was just young love.

They suck as hard as you let them tbh. The ones who suck generally don't last more than 4 months before I'm lining up the next one to see if he can do any better. And until I find one who can I have a coil fitted. But then my background is totally different, we're different ages and different women.

Generally speaking, isnt' the best version of any man is during their first 4 months? That could be taken a variety of ways, I'll let you interpret as desired.

You may be different women, but I distinctly recall you offering me a nursing mammary.

[Squeamous]

Generally speaking, isnt' the best version of any man is during their first 4 months? That could be taken a variety of ways, I'll let you interpret as desired.

You may be different women, but I distinctly recall you offering me a nursing mammary.
:smilie4:
It's their terrible twos you really have to watch out for.

I offered you my mammary as solace and you refused it. I shall take my wet nurse services elsewhere :snooty:

[mjmacky]

I offered you my mammary as solace and you refused it. I shall take my wet nurse services elsewhere :snooty:

You may have offered solace, but I knew your nipple would come with censure.

[manker]

Wait.
Squeams is lactating? :o

:w00t:

[Squeamous]

I can't see that pic on my thickphone :snooty:

[mjmacky]

He did that retarded thing you guys do where you hide a smiley in the spoiler tag, you know where it's sort of the opposite reaction than what was implied before the spoiler. It's the equivalent to saying, "Psych!".

[Squeamous]

I want the board to know that my consoling nipple is an equal opportunities spastic nurterer and comes with no recriminations or caveats.

[Squeamous]

He did that retarded thing you guys do where you hide a smiley in the spoiler tag, you know where it's sort of the opposite reaction than what was implied before the spoiler. It's the equivalent to saying, "Psych!".

He totally copied that off me, the sneaky thiefy little ENFP :ermm:

[manker]

I've copied a few things off you, actually.
There are occasions where the cut of your jib is pretty gosh darn swanky :smilie4:

[Quarterquack]

What frightens me, and still does a little, is that I have held a similar tendency to push off my family. Through certain relationship events in my life, I've been more than willing to head down the same path he has. Was the man born this way? No. That complete distrust in the rest of humanity, including his whole family. I've got demons to fight I guess.

Pity, I feel the same way. So you haven't found a solution either? I unfortunately see bits of my father in almost everything I do. The way I laugh, the way I lay in bed when I wake up. I have lately considered bleaching my hair to distance myself from that imagery.

If my nutcase ever decides to e-mail, I'll forward them to you, Mary. Unfortunately, you seem to be patient with these things and can type more than "Why don't you have your mistress e-mail me eye-opening details, again?" before closing off the line.

[mjmacky]

Unfortunately, you seem to be patient with these things and can type more than "Why don't you have your mistress e-mail me eye-opening details, again?" before closing off the line.

Well it's easy to be patient when you have no emotional investment, just psychological baggage.

[Squeamous]

I've copied a few things off you, actually.
There are occasions where the cut of your jib is pretty gosh darn swanky :smilie4:

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