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random nut
02-10-2003, 05:34 PM
I used data from 169 different users that connected to me when I was a supernode:

28% (47) shared nothing
38% (64) shared less than 10 files
66% (112) shared less than 100 files
96% (162) shared less than 1000 files

So 40% of all FastTrack users are leechers. No surprise, really.

"The Avatar Man"
02-10-2003, 05:36 PM
dude that sucks :angry:

random nut
02-10-2003, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Master YodaX@10 February 2003 - 18:36
dude that sucks :angry:
Tell it to the leechers. :lol: And I only checked 169 different users. I might write a program that checks a lot more users to get a more accurate result.

dirtyoldman
02-10-2003, 05:59 PM
rn what were most of them dl ?did you keep track of that?

mrcall1969
02-10-2003, 06:03 PM
Are you taking in to account the fact that a lot of people may be new and don't have that many files to share?

As the word spreads about Kazaa/K-Lite you're bound to get a lot more new users.

I've been using K-Lite for about 3 months now and had well over 400 files but lost them all when I had to reload my pc. I'm now starting over and only have 11 files but as I download them I share them.


Edit: Typo

random nut
02-10-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by mrcall1969@10 February 2003 - 19:03
Are you taking in to account the fact that a lot of people may be new and don't have that many files to share?
The users connected to me were random users. If I get 28% no-sharers then anyone else would get about the same amount of non-sharers too.

I didn't check what files they were sharing or what files they were downloading. Only number of files they were sharing.

mrcall1969
02-10-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by random nut@10 February 2003 - 20:00
The users connected to me were random users. If I get 28% no-sharers then anyone else would get about the same amount of non-sharers too.

I didn't check what files they were sharing or what files they were downloading. Only number of files they were sharing.
Yeah they would, but of that 28%, 50% of them could be brand new users, there's no way of telling.

Because they only share 30 or so files doesn't always mean that someone is a leecher, everyone has got to start somewhere. If someone has a slow connection it's going to take them a fair bit of time to build up to 100 or so files, I know, I've neen there.

I'm not having a pop at you, but in my opinion someone could read a thread like this and decide to cancel someone downloading from them because they have only a relatively small amount of files.

random nut
02-10-2003, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by mrcall1969@10 February 2003 - 20:26
Yeah they would, but of that 28%, 50% of them could be brand new users, there's no way of telling.
I highly doubt 14% of all users are new users. 14% new users every day? No.

mrcall1969
02-10-2003, 07:41 PM
Highly improbable but not impossible, you can't determine which users you researched, it is possible that if you checked them again in say 1 week they could have more files.

The point I am making is that at present I only have 12 files, I dont think it would be fair of someone to look at my files and cancel a download because of this.

J'Pol
02-10-2003, 08:09 PM
MrC

Even new users can share. When I started I placed 100 mp3 files I had made myself into the shared folder.

I then built up my shared folder as I downloaded. Supplementing with music and movies I did myself.

I understand your sentiment, however I can't really agree with it in all cases.

Cheers

JimF

mrcall1969
02-10-2003, 08:15 PM
"Some" new users can share, I have a huge CD collection but I couldn't tell you how to go about converting them to MP3 files, I share what I download as I'm sure lot of other new users do.

This is a message I just sent to someone (first person I messaged) and their reply, what gives me the right to call them a liar and a leech?

simonl'empereur@KaZaA:
i just begin to use kazaa and i have only a file called simcity 4 but it doesn't work so i don't share sorry, but if i have anything i can't help you. Can you help me to use kazaa????Thx
--------
mrcall1969@KaZaA:
why arent you sharing any files??? are you leeching?

VB
02-10-2003, 08:25 PM
I would call someone that is sharing 5 movies not a leecher. But with 5 mp3 files I would.

Also people who share only a few files may also just download a few files.


But nonetheless, 40% is quite much.

mrcall1969
02-10-2003, 08:29 PM
40% is high, but if I "surveyed" 169 users the results that I may get could differ dramatically from this survey.

I am only sharing 8 mp3s, 1 image and 3 pieces of software, am I a leech?

imported_computerfreak76
02-10-2003, 08:32 PM
ok this will probably piss off all of you that use 56k but i have my kazap set to kill uploads slower than 4.50 kb/s. i do this because i share a few hundred adult videos and movies and i want the faster connections to get these distributed as much as possible.

i look at it like why leave someone else queued that can download the file much faster and them having to wait hours for a little 2.0 kb/s uploader.

J'Pol
02-10-2003, 08:37 PM
Mr C

No, it is your intention to share and you are building up the folder as you go along.

I take it you don't have a CD burner either. I copy my stuff to CD, so even when I re-install I could place the files back in the folder. Indeed as I store the shared folder on a partition other than C I can do a full install and still have all of the shared files.

Cheers

JimF

mrcall1969
02-10-2003, 08:38 PM
Taken from the CNN story -

Download.com distributes about 14 million copies of Kazaa software each month. At a typical moment, about 4 million Kazaa users are sharing some 800 million files -- movies, pictures, songs and more. Most are unauthorized.


14,000,000 per month could be approximately 450,000 new users per day.

freak
02-10-2003, 08:41 PM
i'm not sure how accurate that is out of thoses 169 users u could of had bad luck and had a bunch of leechers connect! That could happen alot and other time u might get lots of people that are shareing tons it not very accurate 169 out of 4 1/2 million people! Also I'm 56k and u could say im just starting i only have 126 some files and i've been using kazaa for about 3 to 4 months now it takes awhile to build my collection!!!!

random nut
02-10-2003, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by mrcall1969@10 February 2003 - 21:38
14,000,000 per month could be approximately 450,000 new users per day.
You don't really belive there are 14mil new users every month do you? Then you must believe "Over 185 million Kazaa Media Desktops downloaded so far" = 185 million Kazaa users in the world.

A lot of people have downloaded Kazaa much more than once.

random nut
02-10-2003, 09:52 PM
i'm not sure how accurate that is out of thoses 169 users u could of had bad luck and had a bunch of leechers connect!  That could happen alot and other time u might get lots of people that are shareing tons it not very accurate 169 out of 4 1/2 million people!


I never claimed it to be accurate. Obviously 169 users isn't enough, that's why I said I consider writing a tool that will count users for maybe 24 hours. But I'm sure the result will be about the same +/- 5-10%.



Also I'm 56k and u could say im just starting i only have 126 some files and i've been using kazaa for about 3 to 4 months now it takes awhile to build my collection!!!!


Were you offended by all the leechers?

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
02-10-2003, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Paul@10 February 2003 - 15:25
I would call someone that is sharing 5 movies not a leecher. But with 5 mp3 files I would.

Also people who share only a few files may also just download a few files.


But nonetheless, 40% is quite much.
:D If they are not sharing at least 100 MP3 files I usually ban them on SoulSeek or WinMX,about to bump that up to 500.But I never check if somebody is sharing when I rarely use Kazaa...Too much trouble.

avtarofdeath
02-10-2003, 10:15 PM
Some people could have hard drive limitations or annoying parents (both in my case). My dad uses the computer every day and checks the HD space and complains if its significantly changed. He also complains if I download games which if I wasn't forced to delete the zips of would gladly share. I also have ATTBI for an internet provider and they check your files (invasion of privacy anyone?) and if you download movies, you get cut off (happened to a friend of mine). So I'm stuck downloading music, and not very much of that either as I only have 70 odd files. Are you gonna insult me and call me a leech? :huh: Edit: Funky Capricorn, that's pretty cruel, ban if you aren't sharing 500 files or even 100. Also WinMX is a pretty crappy network as it is a huge pain in the crapper to download anything. I haven't tried SoulSeek so I'm not gonna say anything about that. There's my extra 2 cents.

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
02-10-2003, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by avtarofdeath@10 February 2003 - 17:15
Funky Capricorn, that's pretty cruel, ban if you aren't sharing 500 files or even 100. Also WinMX is a pretty crappy network as it is a huge pain in the crapper to download anything. I haven't tried SoulSeek so I'm not gonna say anything about that. There's my extra 2 cents.
:D Go over to DirectConnect...there are some rooms/hubs you can't get into unless you have 100 gig or more...yes I said 100 gig.But like you said you don't use any of these...so if you were to download from me on Kazaa I would not check you anyway...so take what you wanrt from me if you see me on there...but you won't. :D

TheLabel
02-10-2003, 10:29 PM
You can't get in unless you have 100 gigs? That's just ridiculous. Also, banning people who have less than 100 files is kinda cruel, and just plain stupid if it was 500....

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
02-10-2003, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by TheLabel@10 February 2003 - 17:29
You can't get in unless you have 100 gigs? That's just ridiculous. Also, banning people who have less than 100 files is kinda cruel, and just plain stupid if it was 500....
:D DirectConnect is for the big boys...women and children should stick with kazaa. B)

namzuf9
02-10-2003, 10:35 PM
Yeah but you're talking about the elite of filesharing-none of this disable sharing or kazap crap (sorry if that offends but it can be used as a cheat to leech!) Oh and by the "death to America" F**K OFF idiot.

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
02-10-2003, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by namzuf9@10 February 2003 - 17:35
Oh and by the "death to America" F**K OFF idiot.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ahhhhhh is the kid mad at me for nothing?Poooooorrrrrrr baby.....fucking noob.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

random nut
02-10-2003, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by avtarofdeath@10 February 2003 - 23:15
Are you gonna insult me and call me a leech? :huh:
Do you want me to insult you? :blink:

It's hard to define a leech, but a leech is someone close to this: a person who doesn't share enough and downloads too much.

namzuf9
02-10-2003, 10:40 PM
Eh? I was just quoting thelabel's signiture. I thought it was a bit out of order thats all. You're a very angry person funky!! :blink:

random nut
02-10-2003, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by TheLabel@10 February 2003 - 23:29
You can't get in unless you have 100 gigs?  That's just ridiculous.  Also, banning people who have less than 100 files is kinda cruel, and just plain stupid if it was 500....
There are many hubs. Few of them require you to have 100GB to get in. Most of them require 10-15GB shared files. When I download something I usually always use DC. The hubs I go to are fast because the people have as fast connection as I have, and 90% of them use the same ISP.

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
02-10-2003, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by namzuf9@10 February 2003 - 17:40
Eh? I was just quoting thelabel's signiture. I thought it was a bit out of order thats all. You're a very angry person funky!! :blink:
Let me explain to ya what stuff means...

:lol: Means somebody found that funny.
:angry: Means somebody is mad or angry.



If you will see my post above I was laughing not angry so I don't know where you got that at.I saw that in your post and thought it was pointed at me...my mistake. :D


:D Means somebody is smiling and trying to make freinds.

namzuf9
02-10-2003, 10:49 PM
Looks like I need all the friends I can get!!!

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
02-10-2003, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by namzuf9@10 February 2003 - 17:49
Looks like I need all the friends I can get!!!
:D

namzuf9
02-10-2003, 10:52 PM
Hey you look kinda nice when you smile!! (I'm just trying to fill out my posts to lose the noob title!!) :P

namzuf9
02-10-2003, 11:01 PM
On a serious note kazzap kinda bothers me for the following:
1) It allows you to block all uploads by setting the u/l rate too high (i.e. 500kbs)
2) It allows you to turn kazaa into an elitest proggy by specifing the u/l, pl etc.
3) it allows you to leech.

alright all that said theres still a lot out there on kazaa but if I had it my way I'd remove all the options to disable sharing! Come on all it takes is a few kbs off your d/l speed, where's the prob? If your part of the elite join dc theres a lot more of the rarer stuff on there anyways-dont use tools to cancel the slower of us- just the leechers!!!

freak
02-10-2003, 11:34 PM
I'm not really offended by people leeching...Because I used to be a leecher when i had no files and before i got my second phone line now i have about 5 slots for upload and only 1 open when downloading a large file......56k Sucks!!!!!!!

namzuf9
02-10-2003, 11:47 PM
Its alright saying I'm only a leech cos I cant d/l much cos I'm on 56k-so was I once but I shared small files such as mp3's that I'd ripped from my own CD's. All these files have to come from somewhere you know!

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
02-11-2003, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by namzuf9@10 February 2003 - 18:47
Its alright saying I'm only a leech cos I cant d/l much cos I'm on 56k-so was I once but I shared small files such as mp3's that I'd ripped from my own CD's. All these files have to come from somewhere you know!
;) That is what I like about WinMX it lets you know what connection that person has who is downloading from you,if they are on 56k I usually do not check them. :D

namzuf9
02-11-2003, 12:36 AM
Whatever happend to WinMX it started of as the place to be and then went a bit tits up with huge queue times?

Infidel
02-11-2003, 01:59 AM
"freak's" avatar = -1 bytes. :huh:
Am i the only one seeing this?

edit: FuNkY CaPrIcOrN's also -1 bytes?

DL/UL
02-11-2003, 02:45 AM
Which brings us to the question... Why isn't there forced sharing with Kazaa? There should be!

DL/UL

abraham1812
02-11-2003, 05:38 AM
I probaly speak for all the 56k users on Kazaa or peer-2-peer networks in general, but a tiny slack should be given to us lowly dial-up users. I always share my files, even to leeches because they usually abort their downloads from me. I use Winmx and Kazaa lite; 1 thing i dont do is share files across different networks. That way my mp3s from winmx can be completely downloaded and shared to other winmx users. At least on Winmx, u can cancel and place leeches on your ignore list.

reignking
02-11-2003, 06:55 AM
bogus!

i don't think you can define a leech by how many files he/she is sharing... myself i'm only sharing 15 files right now. so am i a leech? you might think so but i don't. the files i share are recent movies that come off of irc and are all extremely high quality (or popular games).

In the past 18 hours I've never had a lull in my upload (currently 43kbs). so call me a leech but i think it's ridiculous to classify someone on the sheer amount of files he shares, if that were the case i could trade in one of my movies for 1000 mp3's and no longer leech ;)

rk

random nut
02-11-2003, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by reignking@11 February 2003 - 07:55
bogus!

i don't think you can define a leech by how many files he/she is sharing... myself i'm only sharing 15 files right now. so am i a leech? you might think so but i don't.  the files i share are recent movies that come off of irc and are all extremely high quality (or popular games).
Did you even read what I said in this thread? Read it again.

And I couldn't care less if you or anyone else is a leech. I don't block leechers or anyone else for that matter. But FastTrack users don't share as much as other p2p network users and many people don't like that so they use other p2p programs.

reignking
02-11-2003, 07:50 AM
ok. so i'm not a leech... but is there a way to measure how much a person is sharing as opposed to how many? i think that would be more accurate of a leech.

moonshiner
02-12-2003, 08:08 AM
i dont care for movies because i can not get the big sound with them
as i can on real dvd`s
and its such a waste of time
but for mp3`s I crave that music baby.. Yeah...
Well it took me 2 weeks to share over 100 files and im on dial up
so you complainers have no excuse

But all they are getting from me is porn movies
I will disable them now because some people
might like some good music you know..

I usually have more uploads then downloads and most
of them are 3 of my collection of sex movies
harddly between of them i find somebody downloading music...

gumbydancin
02-12-2003, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by namzuf9@10 February 2003 - 23:52
Hey you look kinda nice when you smile!! (I'm just trying to fill out my posts to lose the noob title!!) :P
Don't do that. :angry: It is rude, adds to total bandwidth, and we've set a limit of only two post-whores at a time. Unfortunately for you, Neo and FC have had those ranks filled for quite some time. :D


Back on topic: I hope random nut does another sample or writes a program to keep track of it, because if those numbers are accurate it is quite sad. :( We'd need to do some major campaigning to help turn that around.

LoveUSA
02-12-2003, 09:09 AM
I once found the mp3's of Peggy Lee from album "the Man I love".. but since noone chose to share the files they downloaded.. it's impossible to locate these files... bummer! If you are the one that shared these in the first place, please contact me.. can transfer ICQ?

Thanks....

ketoprak
02-12-2003, 09:13 AM
I hate people who share too many files : it slows down my system when I retrieve their file list and sometimes freezes Kazaa.

geothermal78
02-12-2003, 09:49 AM
Incase you are new to this file sharing thing. Use a search engine and get a file called
freeripmp3

http://www.mgshareware.com/frmmain.html

It is a simple, fast and easy way to fill your shared folder with cds you already have
so you don't have to be called a leecher and get canceled by other people.

ciao,

JM

stuwho
02-12-2003, 10:54 AM
How about mine for a different, and laudable(?), reason for not sharing.

I have just stopped sharing 2,000+ files. The reasoning was that quality was so often poor and that the same old stuff is just being churned around, getting re-titled and wasting time.

What I eventually found out what to do is to rip my own CDs, using EAC at 320 kB/s and AlbumWrapping them. Now all I share is stuff that is new to the network - all of it fit to re-burn to CD quality.

The same now goes for software. All I share is what I have bought plus some rare programmes.

Next thing - I restrict uploads to 5 at a time. This means that someone can get a complete CD from me in less than an hour! Is that Bad!!!

The reasoning was forced because my pc just seemed to run out of RAM.

xander2003
02-12-2003, 03:21 PM
That may be true for you but I find that most of the people who d/l from me do share. It may be certain files that are popular and you happen to have them.

I have quite a broad range of music files and sometimes video and I have all sorts of people on all sorts of connections and I find that of the ones I do check most of the time they are sharing...sometimes too much lol.
I once clicked to see what this guy was sharing and it almost crashed my computer because there were so many files lol

MagicNakor
02-13-2003, 12:50 AM
Some people share the Windows System folders to give the impression they are sharing. Most people that download from me are sharing, but a lot of the RPG-downloaders aren't. It's unfortunate that they don't get those books.

xander2003
02-13-2003, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by xander2003@12 February 2003 - 16:21
That may be true for you but I find that most of the people who d/l from me do share. It may be certain files that are popular and you happen to have them.

I have quite a broad range of music files and sometimes video and I have all sorts of people on all sorts of connections and I find that of the ones I do check most of the time they are sharing...sometimes too much lol.
I once clicked to see what this guy was sharing and it almost crashed my computer because there were so many files lol
I take that back LOL.
I checked a load of uploaders that have had files from me, they WERE sharing when they were downloading. When I checked about an hour later only 2 out of about 20 were sharing ANYTHING!

jetje
02-13-2003, 11:54 AM
it could be the logged out! you won't find files then. Also the "find more frome same user" sometimes fails!

@ketoprak, i have one system sharing over 3000 files (mostly music). People seem pretty glad if they find THE one rare file they've been lookin' for. I don't run it for people to check my system, i run it for sharing. I can understand your problem, i have experienced the same sometimes. It's not nice when that occur's but think sharing is more important. Btw the other machines running just shares about 150 each, all divx.

Back on topic, saw some posts in our board, from members that say the don't share. That i really can't believe. I think if you wanna participate in p2p, you need to share. That's the basic principle. Don't matter how much, but you share. Cap your upload speed i don't mind, but always share. B)

Switeck
02-14-2003, 07:20 AM
Sharing TOO much is worse than sharing only a few popular/desireable files.
I kick off leeches usually, after messenging them.
The ones that reply back quickly with a good reason for not sharing (for them) I sometimes allow to download.
The thing that bothers me the most is when they say they're on cablemodems and don't want to share because it'd slow their download speeds down.
Leeches often have message blocking on too...
Random Nut's random survey is probably close to accurate -- but if anything it may even be on the LOW side!

Those that share mp3's number in the millions, but those that share movies or tv shows are FAR rarer.

Although it's 'copyrighted content', I haven't heard of anyone getting into trouble for sharing broadcast tv episodes.

I share almost entirely anime episodes -- and finding others sharing any particular anime series is near impossible except for the most popular ones. Somewhere between 30% and 60% of the people who (try to) download from me aren't sharing a THING.

stuwho
02-14-2003, 10:07 AM
LoveUSA and I seem to be on the same wavelength.

Contrary to my earlier posting, I have not been using my pc as a tool, so at the moment I am sharing about 30 gig. To save memory, I have wrapped most of the artists that I have downloaded and called them DIY Compilations - seems a fair compromise, although I am sorry for those with only 56 kbps.

To the point with LoveUSA - there is altogether too much 'popular' stuff hogging the bandwidth. Get more old and/or rare stuff out there!

Sorry, I only have 27 Peggy Lee tracks, none of them from the Man I Love. If you get them I'd love to have them.

Lastly, I would comment that the CDs from our own very modest collection, none of which I ever saw on KaZaa previously, are being uploaded like hot cakes. That does confirm to me that there is a great demand for different, rather than 'popular' music.

jetje
02-14-2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Switeck@14 February 2003 - 07:20
Sharing TOO much is worse than sharing only a few popular/desireable files.
don't agree but maybe because i don't understand what you exactly mean. Just like stuwho said it's nice to find rare things if you're lookin' for them. Man what will you miss if only the popular things are out there. Now sometimes just download some music cause i'm lookin for the unknown. Also oldies, not the famous ones but the ones that have hardly reached the charts. Live tracks or even better quality bootlegs. FC come help me out on this one, you must know where i'm talking of. Btw same goes for movies, it's easy to find "catch me if you can" but try "discovery of heaven" or "La Haine" the last two are much better but go find them.... i surely will miss that if every one only start sharing the blockbusters an top40 music.

So why is sharing to much worse, i give limitted people acces at the time so they can get fair upload speed.
So you have to wait, well i think if someone is lookin' for the rare stuff he enjoy's the waiting cause he know if he gets it the waiting was worth it. For these files isn't speed important it's the gathering that counts. B)

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
02-14-2003, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by ketoprak@12 February 2003 - 04:13
I hate people who share too many files : it slows down my system when I retrieve their file list and sometimes freezes Kazaa.
<_< Thats cause you use Kazaa.....browse somebody elses files on another program.....alot easier.

Area69
02-15-2003, 03:06 AM
Sorry, but I do not think that your survey or its findings are very accurate. An example would be myself.

Although I do not think I have ever downloaded from you, if I was a part of your survey you would clasify me as a leech.

I only share 50 files out in this community, but I do not download.

I am specialised in the types of files that I share, in my case I share current reality TV shows.

I specialise, so that the users out there know they can look for me as a user to get those specific files every week and they do not have to worry about the wait being too long because they do not have to wait behinmd users dowloading a huge movie when they are looking for a 20min or 45 min reality show.

Again I download maybe a movie a week from the Kazaa Community yet I upload thousands of megs a day.

I do not think I am a leech do you?

random nut
02-15-2003, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by Area69@15 February 2003 - 04:06
Again I download maybe a movie a week from the Kazaa Community yet I upload thousands of megs a day.

I do not think I am a leech do you?
Before replying to a thread, read the whole thread.

FuNkY CaPrIcOrN
02-15-2003, 07:11 AM
Originally posted by random nut@15 February 2003 - 02:09
Before replying to a thread, read the whole thread.
:o I knew I was doing something wrong around here. :o

dwightfry
02-15-2003, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Infidel@11 February 2003 - 02:59
"freak&#39;s" avatar = -1 bytes. :huh:
Am i the only one seeing this?

edit: FuNkY CaPrIcOrN&#39;s also -1 bytes?
Both are being taken off of picstore I think. That might have something to do with it.

boogie_knights
02-16-2003, 03:10 PM
Why dont people partition their drives or store stuff on a slave drive, so when they format their pc they cant say "OH I LOST ALL MY STUFF. I HAD TO START OVER AGAIN". How f**kin lame is that???

BK

vegeta
02-16-2003, 03:27 PM
i say 75% of users share less than 100 files. <_<

Got_brains?
02-16-2003, 03:33 PM
Accually, I get really fed up with people that I see dl at least half my files (ahem, kazzaliteuser@kazza, cough cough, one of the people who never even changed their name: defaltuser@kazaa cough cough). I share 488 files. I am on a cable modem. I allow 8 simultanious uploads at a time. (I believe this is a lot&nbsp; ) And then people who dl dont even share. That ticks me off.

They (if they already dont) should make a prog that auto kicks peps who dont share.

I said that on another post... Thought it might be useful

Got_brains?
02-16-2003, 03:43 PM
That was wierd. When Posting the above it gave me this error:

"Mail Error&#33;

SMTP protocol failure&#33;
Host: kazaalite.mine.nu
Return Code:
Return Msg:
Invision Power Board Error: Could not open a socket to the SMTP server
Check your SMTP settings from the admin control panel"

Then I got dns server (404) errors. I go back and refresh and I posted twice&#33; :angry: oops

"The Avatar Man"
02-16-2003, 03:50 PM
When you get the error just go back to the thread and refresh THAT PAGE&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH <_<