Rared Content on Torrent Sites

[Polarbear]

What are the pro and cons of rar archives on torrent trackers?

[Cut-Copy-Paste]

On Torrent Site their is no as such Pros of Rar Archives since Bittorrent client has in build hash-check. But Since Scene Pre's are Rar archives most site upload it in same format as unraring take significant time and would increase their pre-time.

On Person Side when Internet was extremely slow here (AKA before i went to university) my friends and i use to download Parts of Rar Archives each to get it soon/reduce bill

[Polarbear]

Most scene releases where pretimes are a factor are uploaded by automated scripts. It would take these scripts about 6 seconds longer to unrar a 700MB movie before uploading.

Pro: slightly better pretimes (in seconds)

[Disme]

Pro: slightly better pretimes (in seconds)

That's not a pro ... anyone using Bittorrent who really cares about pré-times is just a simpleton!
The only reason why the time something is released is important is because of how 'the scene' works. The first group releasing something within scene standards cannot be trumped, so that is the only reason why the release times should matter.

P2P, and more specific BT has adopted their system of pré-times ... but it really serves little to no purpose because it isn't P2P that releases these files.
Anyone claiming they care for pré-time-seconds is just acting stupid and childish.

Rarred content isn't relevant for P2P-purposes and should be abandonned, but that is a discussion that won't end until BT quits paying so much attention to their stupid pré-times.

[Polarbear]

Tell me cons that so that we can collect.

[Disme]

Cons:
Having to extract shit to watch/use/install/listen that does not need to be extracted when shared unrarred in the first place.
Rarred content facilitates partial seeding ... with unrarred content there's no more partial seeding when downloading movies/games/appz where there is only one file to download.

[Polarbear]

Con: Downloaders have to extract every single copy themselves opposed to a one time extraction by the uploader
Con: 100% more HD space is needed for every single copy
Con: Only very few players/devices can play/stream rars

I don't see partial seeding as a huge con because that can be done with unared content as well. I'm against it but you cannot just blame rars for it. They make it easier but it's not the strongest point against them.

Pro: Rar files are compatible with other trackers that offer them as well and can be used for tracker racing and cross-seeding

[Funkin']

Con: Idol hasn't shared his input yet... And a thread/poll like this is just screaming for his input...

[manker]

Pro: the uploader doesn't have to unrar it after he gets it from usenet.

Which is the only pro that matters since he's sharing the thing in the first place and don't fucking download it if you're going to get all persnickerty about how your free stuff is presented.

[Cut-Copy-Paste]

Pro: Rar files are compatible with other trackers that offer them as well and can be used for tracker racing and cross-seeding

Not exactly a Pro becouse if every tracker start to upload Unrar Files they to can be used for Racing and Cross-seeding

[Polarbear]

manker: The days that scene content was uploaded by persons who got the files from usenet are long gone. It's not humans, it's scripts who upload scene content. The whole process is automated and the files come directly from scene sites.

There's no manual work involved, that's why it's so ineffective to let thousand users run a process that can be done once by a script in a matter of seconds. The combined HD Space that can be saved by millions of users is huge if all torrent sites dump rars. That's literally millions of dollars that can be saved.





Pro: Rar files are compatible with other trackers that offer them as well and can be used for tracker racing and cross-seeding

Not exactly a Pro becouse if every tracker start to upload Unrar Files they to can be used for Racing and Cross-seeding
It's hard to find pros at all. :)

Con: Rar files are hardly archived by the common user but deleted. Unpacked content is more likely to be kept and seeded and therefore offers better torrent retention

[manker]

Oh, well that's fair enough then :]

It annoys the pish out of me when I have to seed the .rar files of a HD movie, for example, and then unrar it to watch the thing - but I'd never complained about it because I imagined it was a group of hard working people who were providing me with stuff to watch.

[IdolEyes787]

How'd Germany ever manage to conquer most of Europe?

[mjmacky]

I imagined it was a group of hard working people who were providing me with stuff to watch.

It's an idiotic policy though, it could just as easily be shared as the video file, but some trackers just insist on redundancy.

[Funkin']

How'd Germany ever manage to conquer most of Europe?
A couple weeks ago my girl asked me to plop a steaming dump on her chest during sex(not even kidding). That threw me for a loop... I haven't talked to her since. Thinking about calling her up and telling her I'm down with it though... I mean, I've always thought of females as a toilet. Might as well treat them like one...

[mjmacky]

How'd Germany ever manage to conquer most of Europe?

Controlling the banks.

[anon]

http://scenelingo.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/the-rar-argument/


It annoys the pish out of me when I have to seed the .rar files of a HD movie, for example, and then unrar it to watch the thing

there are ways to watch a movie straight from the rars, even if they're compressed and passworded

[mjmacky]

there are ways to watch a movie straight from the rars, even if they're compressed and passworded

That's the thing though, who wants to be forced into a single playback option? All my viewing goes through XBMC.

[anon]

That's the thing though, who wants to be forced into a single playback option? All my viewing goes through XBMC.

Ah, I'd better leave the HD talk to those who know. I just watch SD movies in my laptop... :blushing:

[manker]

Yeah. I know I can do it with vlc but I don't use that to watch HD stuff on the big telly.

[anon]

Yeah. I know I can do it with vlc

If only MPC-HC also supported it. I have to run Dzioba's RAR Player just for these pesky multipart movies.

[Night0wl]

While I like unrared the best, it annoys me when sites take it too far. Like when BTN doesn't want users to upload the folder, thus no .nfo and then the coders don't even bother fixing the .nfo upload section, so the users can see why something would be propered. So there is 0.5 seconds of spoken word missing or the release goes out of sync 300ms for 5 seconds. Well who gives a shit. Oversized, naming convention not followed, slightly mislabeled, well buhu. But what if the original release is unwatchable?

Forcing people to go off-site to check things because of pure laziness and a I don't give a shit about info attitude.

Not that it bothers me much, since I for the most part download P2P due to more quality control.

[mrnobody]

pro: when downloading huge game

/endlist

[Disme]

How'd Germany ever manage to conquer most of Europe?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk

[mjmacky]

While I like unrared the best, it annoys me when sites take it too far. Like when BTN doesn't want users to upload the folder, thus no .nfo and then the coders don't even bother fixing the .nfo upload section, so the users can see why something would be propered. So there is 0.5 seconds of spoken word missing or the release goes out of sync 300ms for 5 seconds. Well who gives a shit. Oversized, naming convention not followed, slightly mislabeled, well buhu. But what if the original release is unwatchable?

Forcing people to go off-site to check things because of pure laziness and a I don't give a shit about info attitude.

Not that it bothers me much, since I for the most part download P2P due to more quality control.

Except all of that is easily remedied by editing the upload.

[Night0wl]

While I like unrared the best, it annoys me when sites take it too far. Like when BTN doesn't want users to upload the folder, thus no .nfo and then the coders don't even bother fixing the .nfo upload section, so the users can see why something would be propered. So there is 0.5 seconds of spoken word missing or the release goes out of sync 300ms for 5 seconds. Well who gives a shit. Oversized, naming convention not followed, slightly mislabeled, well buhu. But what if the original release is unwatchable?

Forcing people to go off-site to check things because of pure laziness and a I don't give a shit about info attitude.

Not that it bothers me much, since I for the most part download P2P due to more quality control.

Except all of that is easily remedied by editing the upload.

So you are saying that the autoup, once fully working again will start looking through the .nfo of every proper to find the proper reason and then edit the torrent info to tell users?

Because uploading the .nfo in .nfo field makes it go God knows where.

[Polarbear]

An nfo is information about the release itself and should always be included when unrared.

[soulreaper]

Extracting to watch stuff is boring..

[Polarbear]

The question is, when the majority of users agree that rars are a waste of space and time, why do so many torrent sites still disallow unrared scene releases?

[mjmacky]

Except all of that is easily remedied by editing the upload.Because uploading the .nfo in .nfo field makes it go God knows where.

I.e. nfodb is a black hole. Though not explicitly stated, I implied editing in the tech specs field. Since an nfo file is just text, nothing prevents copying and pasting that into the tech spec field. I don't mind, but do I have to do all the thinking here?

[cinephilia]

a metaphysical question that is quite hard to answer. i pass my turn.

[mjmacky]

a metaphysical question that is quite hard to answer. i pass my turn.

Through your rectum or urethra?

[cinephilia]

http://i.imgur.com/7XlUx.gif

[Night0wl]

Because uploading the .nfo in .nfo field makes it go God knows where.

I.e. nfodb is a black hole. Though not explicitly stated, I implied editing in the tech specs field. Since an nfo file is just text, nothing prevents copying and pasting that into the tech spec field. I don't mind, but do I have to do all the thinking here?

When a user uploads, he/she can do that. But we still have upload bots that upload most of the proper/repack torrents with no .nfo.

You can go add the info from .nfo files to tech specs in those uploads if you want. You can quit your day job, since your time will be well spend following the upload bots. I would prefer they just fix the .nfo field to actually work and saving everyone the headache of having to find the exact same thing elsewhere.

[cinephilia]

The question is, when the majority of users agree that rars are a waste of space and time, why do so many torrent sites still disallow unrared scene releases?

i don't know, it might be because it only takes a sfv check to figure out if a release is legit.

[mjmacky]

When a user uploads, he/she can do that. But we still have upload bots that upload most of the proper/repack torrents with no .nfo.

You can go add the info from .nfo files to tech specs in those uploads if you want. You can quit your day job, since your time will be well spend following the upload bots. I would prefer they just fix the .nfo field to actually work and saving everyone the headache of having to find the exact same thing elsewhere.

Really, just one person to go an check out all of the scene torrents? Since anyone can edit the torrent info (or maybe not, I don't know if it's class locked), why not just anyone who gives a shit about that particular scene release take up that small task? Wouldn't that be something inherent in a private community? I just tested it, it's rather easy.

Also, most of those kids don't have jobs, you have a skewed view of p2p. But since you think it falls in the domain of one person, and this is apparently very important to you, why don't you do that? By yourself as well. You can be the official NFO input guy, making sure everyone is getting the proper information they need for scene releases.

[Stabber]

after using usenet , with automatic unraring , rared files belong to the past for me

Hdbits also has unrared files which is also cool

[IdolEyes787]

Hdbits also has unrared files which is also cool

"And when asked by the customer in the Bed and Bath section of Walmart as to where to find a good toilet Stabber responded by saying " I've found the ones at NORAD's underground facility at Colorado Springs to be top-notch".

[mjmacky]

Which is weird because the customer was looking for a toilet to buy.

[Pantufa]

I always prefer unrared content.

[Night0wl]

When a user uploads, he/she can do that. But we still have upload bots that upload most of the proper/repack torrents with no .nfo.

You can go add the info from .nfo files to tech specs in those uploads if you want. You can quit your day job, since your time will be well spend following the upload bots. I would prefer they just fix the .nfo field to actually work and saving everyone the headache of having to find the exact same thing elsewhere.

Really, just one person to go an check out all of the scene torrents? Since anyone can edit the torrent info (or maybe not, I don't know if it's class locked), why not just anyone who gives a shit about that particular scene release take up that small task? Wouldn't that be something inherent in a private community? I just tested it, it's rather easy.

Also, most of those kids don't have jobs, you have a skewed view of p2p. But since you think it falls in the domain of one person, and this is apparently very important to you, why don't you do that? By yourself as well. You can be the official NFO input guy, making sure everyone is getting the proper information they need for scene releases.

It does fall in the domain of one or a few persons, but not the users. This has been on the coders todo list since long before I joined. I have seen posts in the forum more than a year old. It has taken so long now, that it must be rocket science to implement it on BTN even though thousand of other sites have it. So much for Gazelle.

But like I said, I hardly download scene and prefer P2P releases. So it won't be me bothering with Tech specs editing unless it's my own upload.

You should join the coding team there, so there will be one more person thinking the users haven't got enough to do and should rather spend their time editing tech specs on something that is automated pretty much everywhere else.

It's a highly annoying bug, which you and the coders don't feel is in any way important. I don't know how to code, but if I did, then I highly doubt that it would take long to fix. The .nfo files uploaded must go somewhere. Making a link to it on torrent page shouldn't cause to much of a headache. And if they in fact go nowhere, just make them go somewhere.

[mjmacky]

I'd wager a poll would look something like this:

Users that bother to read an nfo: 2
Users that do not bother to read an nfo: 12
Number of people that don't give enough of a shit about nfos to answer the poll (and have seen it): 7,651

[IdolEyes787]

I sure that long after we are dead and our collective bones turned to dust people will be asking "What the hell were they on about"?

[mjmacky]

I sure that long after we are dead and our collective bones turned to dust people will be asking "What the hell were they on about"?

Ever the pessimist to think that this conversation would ever pique someone's interest.

[Night0wl]

I'd wager a poll would look something like this:

Users that bother to read an nfo: 2
Users that do not bother to read an nfo: 12
Number of people that don't give enough of a shit about nfos to answer the poll (and have seen it): 7,651

More like:
Users that bother to read an nfo: 500
Users that do not bother to read an nfo: 2100
Number of people that don't give enough of a shit about nfos to answer the poll (and have seen it): 5.051

[mjmacky]

Judging by the numbers alone, you could tell I was talking about a poll in the FST lounge.

Well, I guess you couldn't.

[IdolEyes787]

I read the nfo's for the greetz.True story.

[Night0wl]

Judging by the numbers alone, you could tell I was talking about a poll in the FST lounge.

Well, I guess you couldn't.

Why? Would it be out of this world to think that 8.000 or so members of BTN would actually vote on a poll?


I read the nfo's for the greetz.True story.

Unless it's a proper/repack I only read them for the rants. Quite funny at times.

[mjmacky]

Why? Would it be out of this world to think that 8.000 or so members of BTN would actually vote on a poll?

Rinse, enlarge, repeat


Judging by the numbers alone, you could tell I was talking about a poll in the FST lounge.

[soulreaper]

http://i.imgur.com/7XlUx.gif


awesome gif dude ROFL!

[wazza100]

don't think anyone even needs to ask, unrared all the way

[cinephilia]

can i get a custom avatar with any random porn/model wearing a thong please.

thanks in advance.

[xJohnxSmithx]

I 100% would rather dl unrar'd files from reputable sources. That said. I have, in the past... had unrar'd files which have become corrupt for whatever reason. I have never had a rar become corrupt.
cheers

[Disme]

can i get a custom avatar with any random porn/model wearing a thong please.

thanks in advance.

ROFL ... you might not like me Cine (looking at your title ;)) but I do like your posts a lot.
Not in a gay way :unsure: , but I just can appreciate your whitty and synical comments :lol:

[Funkin']

but I do like your posts a lot.
Not in a gay way :unsure:
It's ok, Dis. You're not the only one here that enjoys Cine's company in a gay way... It's so nice to have him back.

[Artemis]

can i get a custom avatar with any random porn/model wearing a thong please.

thanks in advance.

ROFL ... you might not like me Cine (looking at your title ;)) but I do like your posts a lot.
Not in a gay way :unsure: , but I just can appreciate your whitty and synical comments :lol:


It's ok, Dis. You're not the only one here that enjoys Cine's company in a gay way... It's so nice to have him back.


Is there something you gays guys aren't telling me? :ghey:

[Disme]

Oi Art ... you know I like you too, don't you ... gay way or no gay way ;)

[M_SJAH]

Rars make next to no difference to pre times - on the fly unraring <1 second.

On home machine use XBMC or VLC.

Storage is cheap, why is there a problem unraring?

I'm happy to receive my warez rarred or not.

8-)

[mjmacky]

Rars make next to no difference to pre times - on the fly unraring <1 second.

On home machine use XBMC or VLC.

Storage is cheap, why is there a problem unraring?

I'm happy to receive my warez rarred or not.

8-)

Storage may be cheap, but the values of principle and redundancy are high and low, respectively, in my price guide.

[Polarbear]

Storage is cheap
100% more storage space is wasted. It can't get any worth in terms of efficiency. The price doesn't play a role unless HD Space is free and unlimited. What's cheap to you is expensive to others.

You don't use 2GB of HD Space for a 1GB file unless there's a really good reason for it. It's irrational no matter how cheap or expensive HDs are.

[mjmacky]

Storage is cheap
100% more storage space is wasted. It can't get any worth in terms of efficiency. The price doesn't play a role unless HD Space is free and unlimited. What's cheap to you is expensive to others.

You don't use 2GB of HD Space for a 1GB file unless there's a really good reason for it. It's irrational no matter how cheap or expensive HDs are.

Same thing I said, but drier.

[Quarterquack]

A couple weeks ago my girl asked me to plop a steaming dump on her chest during sex(not even kidding). That threw me for a loop... I haven't talked to her since. Thinking about calling her up and telling her I'm down with it though... I mean, I've always thought of females as a toilet. Might as well treat them like one...


"And when asked by the customer in the Bed and Bath section of Walmart as to where to find a good toilet Stabber responded by saying " I've found the ones at NORAD's underground facility at Colorado Springs to be top-notch".


Which is weird because the customer was looking for a toilet to buy.

Allow me to unleash upon the world Darth's law:
As an online FST discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler toilets approaches 1.

Funkin', you have a great chance to invent indefecating. Don't waste it.

As for the subject matter at hand: This discussion will be won by the first site that creates intratransfer unraring.

[mjmacky]

Funkin', you have a great chance to invent indefecating. Don't waste it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQoJo81lujk

[Funkin']

Funkin', you have a great chance to invent indefecating. Don't waste it.
Great idea. I'll type up a how-to for ya'll when I figure it out.
In the meantime I must go release something on my new girl. Been using stool softener, this should be interesting.