Are Riaa Tactics Working

[ultimatejester]

Yes they are

No they just make people want to download more

Netural

Agree

Disagree

[Arm]

Only the ignorant ones are stopping. The rest continue to use it. I saw the number of Kazaa users once jump up to 4.5 million :blink: so alot of people aren't scared of the R.A.P.E.

[Switeck]

Are their tactics working?

Yes+NO!

Yes, Kazaa's shared MP3 files of various 'popular' music songs are being corrupted at a rate that I thought impossible just 3 months earlier.

No, busting 'random' people for (stupidly trying to) sharing 1,000+ MP3 music files and fining them $2,000+ is a fleabite compaired to the whole of the network numerically and excessive for the few hit by it.

Asking if they're EFFECTIVE is another thing.

Superficially, they are effective -- they are scaring SOME people, they are thwarting others, and they are frustrating all of us... although some of us are more frustrated about it than others.

However, they're making LOTS of people angry. People that would otherwise not care -- or even side WITH them were they (RIAA) to take a more evenhanded approach. They give the impression they don't care WHO they sue, WHOSE lives they ruin, or even go to the trouble to insure they don't falsely accuse. And their apologies for such mistakes are nothing but empty words coming from empty people:

[excert from now-offline website (I dunno who/what shut it down)...]
"I didn't want to settle," Jordan says, but fighting a multi-billion dollar lawsuit against the record industry, win or lose, would have cost his family too much. The two sides settled on Jordan's life savings -- $12,000. At the settlement, Jordan recalls a snide warning from an RIAA attorney: "You don't want to have another visit with a dentist like me."

The infamous RIAA "Dentist":
"You don't want to have another visit with a dentist like me"
-- Matt Oppenheim, RIAA senior vice president of business and legal affairs

To dismiss this quote lightly or to not understand the context of the quote puts us all at a grave risk... because we won't know how to respond when someone asks us how the RIAA is 'evil'.

Jesse provided a search engine for the campus network, he indexed publically available information (the files people were sharing on windoze) and provided a simple web interface to search the network. It was used mainly as a campus resource, for notes, syllabi, powerpoint slides, porn and other educational materials. Less than 25% of the searches were for copyrighted MP3's.

The means for searching the network was available through windows anyway, Jesse's site only made the search more efficient by keeping a central database of shares.

His 'crime' was creating a Google-like search engine of what was ALREADY shared internally on a college network. The files found by it were inaccessable from the internet -- only those ON that network could get them. The destruction of that search engine meant those who came to rely on it for daily classwork assignments had to get them in other manners. It was the equivalent of destroying the internet because 'piracy' occurs on it.

Another source about the issue/s:
http://www.rollingstone.com/features/featuregen.asp?pid=1887

[Sparkle1984]

Originally posted by ultimatejester@22 November 2003 - 04:47
Yes they are

No they just make people want to download more

Netural

Agree

Disagree
No, it just makes me want to share/download even more !!! LOL :lol:

[internet.news]

They can't stop it - we have to share our thoughts and files openly to understand
each other better ;)

RIAA - there are also just humans, and I think they also are sharing thoughts openly - and if not they are just humnas, but RIAA is justan organisation -
and they do not have the time only to put screechy mp3s in shared folders...

...they have better things to do ;)

and If someone would be sued I am trying to help as far as I can - if ppl
have more than 1000 files, just have 900 or so...

all indvidual kazaa users - ppl who use kazaa from time to time are more
felxible than RIAA ;) beleive me or not ...

ok, these are just some thoughts I have really some more thoughts going on...
it is interesting topic ;) thanks for sharing ;)

~nice dreams...

[Jibbler]

RIAA tactics are not working. I'm still sharing files. I would owe millions if they ever snagged me. :o :D

[DasScoot]

Have they gotten some people to stop sharing music? Yes.

Is it working? No. It's like using your finger to plug a leak in a dam, while the ocean goes around the other way.

[Adster]

its the uses taht stopped me from usign kazaa not teh RIAA

[internet.news]

"... don't care WHO they sue, WHOSE lives they ruin ..."

If people are taking to court germany there could have the choice
between public work or paying, I would choose public work, so it makes sense!

[Switeck]

Originally posted by internet.news@27 November 2003 - 14:37
"... don't care WHO they sue, WHOSE lives they ruin ..."

If people are taking to court germany there could have the choice
between public work or paying, I would choose public work, so it makes sense!
When they shut down whole college intranets it effectively 'punished' everyone for what was only marginal traffic (25% or less) on that network. These punished people were never sued or dragged to court... but they suffered nonetheless when they couldn't rely on the school's special network/s to help them get class assignments and collaborate on projects remotely.

[Cotton]

Originally posted by Switeck@22 November 2003 - 06:18
The infamous RIAA "Dentist":
"You don't want to have another visit with a dentist like me"
-- Matt Oppenheim, RIAA senior vice president of business and legal affairs
What a fucking tryhard, im going to assassinate this stupid fuck!!!

[Guillaume]

Originally posted by ultimatejester@22 November 2003 - 05:47
Yes they are

Sadly, even people outside the reach of RIAA do stop sharing...

The pathetic morons... :(

[Sparkle1984]

Originally posted by Switeck+28 November 2003 - 00:38--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Switeck @ 28 November 2003 - 00:38)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-internet.news@27 November 2003 - 14:37
"... don&#39;t care WHO they sue, WHOSE lives they ruin ..."

If people are taking to court germany there could have the choice
between public work or paying, I would choose public work, so it makes sense&#33;
When they shut down whole college intranets it effectively &#39;punished&#39; everyone for what was only marginal traffic (25% or less) on that network. These punished people were never sued or dragged to court... but they suffered nonetheless when they couldn&#39;t rely on the school&#39;s special network/s to help them get class assignments and collaborate on projects remotely. [/b][/quote]
At my university, the p2p traffic is estimated to be about 70% of the entire campus network traffic. There was an article about it in the student newspaper last week. They were asking people to stop sharing so much, as it puts a strain on the network and causes it to slow down sometimes, making it difficult for others to do their work. But over the christmas vacation they are going to "sub-net the network to allow the isolation and monitoring of the system, which the centralised system currently used cannot cope with." In the commentary section, the newspaper says "Please think twice before downloading that album or film, there are people out there with essays to write."

Luckily I live off campus, so it doesn&#39;t affect me. ;)

[J'Pol]

The tactics are working, without question. If the strategy is to reduce file sharing and file sharing is being reduced, then they are working.

It doesn&#39;t matter whether they are stopping people who don&#39;t really understand the systems, or how to protect themselves. All that matters is that they are reducing the numbers sharing.

This is our strategy and it is working, no matter what anyone wants to believe. There will always be a hardcore who will share, however these things are looked at as the big picture. Millions of &#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036;&#036; a year are being saved and that&#39;s the bottom line. Cos RIAA said so.