Rapid Usenet Take downs. Is it just me or everyone?

[rimmi2002]

Hi I use newsdemon as my primary server and newsgroupdirect as my backup. I have noticed that in the last few months any popular movie (Star Trek into Darkness, Man of Steel etc.) get taken down within hours of being put up. The index site I use is Smackdownonyou. I have wondering if this true for people using other servers or index sites as well? Are there any other alternatives to getting files that get taken down so fast? Thanks.

[hdjunky]

you are using the same exact server for your main as well as your backup server. lol not only that but they are shitty servers to begin with. signup with anyone except astraweb or any highwinds servers and you will be okay.

[Beck38]

Then again, if the posters of those items don't even use the most basic (and I mean BASIC) forms of title obfuscation, ANY server they are posted to (originally) or that get propagated to, will get whacked, not just those you mention.

Then again, as I have reminded folks here (and will continue), that I've used Astra to post things for well over 10+ years, and well over 1.5TB/month during that period, and have NEVER (repeat: NEVER) had a posting DMCA'd. ZERO. NADA.

So, if posters, at this late date, don't watch their postings, don't do 'due diligence', and don't take the most BASIC of means to obfuscate, then they deserve to get whacked. Period.

[IdolEyes787]

By the same unerring logic then ever child who wanders into the street deserves to get hit by a car.

Sorry.Period.

[Beck38]

And unless this happens in a socialist state, the driver cannot be cited, sued, or otherwise harassed for legally driving that street; but their parents may be sued (by that driver) for causing mental distress.

[IdolEyes787]

I'm going to have to go with the obvious and say that "at fault" and "deserve" are two different things entirely.

If you have trouble with that I will happily list real world examples until your head screws back into it's proper position.:)

[rimmi2002]

Then again, if the posters of those items don't even use the most basic (and I mean BASIC) forms of title obfuscation, ANY server they are posted to (originally) or that get propagated to, will get whacked, not just those you mention.

Then again, as I have reminded folks here (and will continue), that I've used Astra to post things for well over 10+ years, and well over 1.5TB/month during that period, and have NEVER (repeat: NEVER) had a posting DMCA'd. ZERO. NADA.

So, if posters, at this late date, don't watch their postings, don't do 'due diligence', and don't take the most BASIC of means to obfuscate, then they deserve to get whacked. Period.

If there a better site to find nzb files than smackdownonyou...or is it my server that's the problem then. Cause all copies of Man of Steel, Star Trek and other popular movies are non existent sometimes within hours of them being posted.




you are using the same exact server for your main as well as your backup server. lol not only that but they are shitty servers to begin with. signup with anyone except astraweb or any highwinds servers and you will be okay.

Haha didn't know that. One is my account and one is a friend's. I guess there is a reason they are so cheap. I got mine at $6 monthly for Christmas special. It had been pretty good up until last 2 months, I notice any blockbuster movie release gets taken down pretty fast. Which highwind resellers do you recc'd?

[Beck38]

Any website that lists things 'in the open' (which is all except binary indexers like Binsearch or nzbindex) is usually a dead giveaway to take-down city. Again, if the posters are doing due diligence (which obviously they are not), they are probably counting on folks using some automated methodology that grabs the posting faster than the take-downs occur.

This is known as 'mutually assured destruction'.

Forget about websites (pay or otherwise), I'm sure that probably there are encrypted (filename and binary wise) that are out there somewhere (almost guaranteed). But I'd go to the indexers first and run NZBcc to see if they 'exist' still. And also do a bit of learning the 'common' ways of title obfuscation and run that through the indexers.

Lastly, don't expect that 'new' releases are going to exist out in the open for very long, if they are posted without any protection. Wait a month, or two. Folks (the take-downers) get lazy.

You've already been told that you use the same 'plant' for main and fills; you probably need to get a real fills account (one of the most popular is Blocknews). Posted things get propagated pretty fast, faster than the take-downers work, and there are so many servers out there that they can't whack them all, all that fast.

But the best (two) things is filename obfuscation, or simply wait a bit. If you're in more of a hurry, then why aren't you either renting or buying the thing...

And oh... 'Man of Steel' hasn't been released (in the US) yet, so is probably pretty high on the take-down list. The only source is going to be someone who has a pre-release copy, or a low-quality 'cam' version.

[justlooking]

Instead of spending let's say $15 a month on a server and backup, how about $9 for a Dutch server and $6 for a seedbox? This is what's on one 3D torrent site right now.



Man of Steel 2013 3D Tw Blu ray 1080p AVC DTS HD MA7 1 TTG
Action | Adventure | Fantasy
3 25/10/2013 38.75 GB 17 1 30
Movies 3D BD25
Man of Steel 2013 1080p Re Encoded 3D BluRay MVC DD 5 1
Action | Adventure | Fantasy
10 21/10/2013 22.47 GB 16 3 72
Audio Packs
Audios For Man of Steel 2013 1080p 3D BluRay Half OU DTS x264 HDMaNiAcS
Action | Adventure | Fantasy
2 20/10/2013 11.20 GB 2 5 3
Movies 1080p
Man of Steel 2013 1080p 3D BluRay Half OU DTS x264 HDMaNiAcS
Action | Adventure | Fantasy
2 20/10/2013 17.97 GB 33 1 117
Movies 1080p
Man Of Steel 2013 3D BluRay HOU 1080p DTS x264 CHD3D
Action | Adventure | Fantasy
1 20/10/2013 13.79 GB 5 1 37
Movies 3D BD25
Man of Steel 2013 1080p Re Encoded 3D BluRay DTS HD MA 7 1
Action | Adventure | Fantasy
19 19/10/2013 22.47 GB 43 1 187
Movies 3D BD25
Man of Steel 3D DVDFAB Re Encode
Action/Adventure
13 18/10/2013 22.36 GB 16 0 61
Movies 1080p
Man of Steel (2013) 3D 1080p BD9 Half OU DD5 1 AVCHD iCandy
Action | Adventure | Fantasy
3 18/10/2013 7.95 GB 26 0 116
Movies 1080p
Man Of Steel 3D 2013 1080p BluRay Half OU DTS x264 PublicHD
Action | Adventure | Fantasy
4 18/10/2013 15.65 GB 44 0 194
Movies 1080p
Man Of Steel 3D 2013 1080p BluRay Half SBS DTS x264 PublicHD
Action | Adventure | Fantasy
8 18/10/2013 15.32 GB 90 1 446
Movies Blu-ray
Man of Steel 2013 3D BluRay 1080p AVC DTS HD MA7 1 CHDBits

[Hypatia]

Folks (the take-downers) get lazy.

I have to disagree respectfully.. They don't .
They just use custom modified nzedb or newznab indexers which are quite capable (especially the first one if you use specific scripts) to take down successfully even some obfuscated releases and eat for breakfast openly uploaded ones.

PS Man of steel quality was fine=) but the movie itself was meh. usual superhero crap.

[user3240]

Instead of spending let's say $15 a month on a server and backup, how about $9 for a Dutch server and $6 for a seedbox? This is what's on one 3D torrent site right now.

CHDBits

Because a properly configured Usenet setup with multiple block accts and multiple indexers with automated programs will get you the latest releases much quicker without the hassle of torrent sites. Unless you just plan on streaming, you have to download it once from the torrent site and download it again (ftp) from your seedbox. BTW: $15.00 a month gets you both the usenet accounts (primary and back up blocks) and the indexers (primary and backups).

Why do you bother with Usenet if torrents are so great? Why not just get everything from torrents?

[sandman_1]

Try one of the free servers mentioned on this site. I must use 4 or 5 Tier 1 servers and rarely have a problem with anything.

[justlooking]

Instead of spending let's say $15 a month on a server and backup, how about $9 for a Dutch server and $6 for a seedbox? This is what's on one 3D torrent site right now.

CHDBits

Because a properly configured Usenet setup with multiple block accts and multiple indexers with automated programs will get you the latest releases much quicker without the hassle of torrent sites. Unless you just plan on streaming, you have to download it once from the torrent site and download it again (ftp) from your seedbox. BTW: $15.00 a month gets you both the usenet accounts (primary and back up blocks) and the indexers (primary and backups).

Why do you bother with Usenet if torrents are so great? Why not just get everything from torrents?


I enjoy Usenet because of the way it works and the lack of interaction with others. You just drag and drop and it starts downloading. The thing is, Usenet simply doesn't have all the content. A good sports tracker has very NFL and big College football game, plus the NFL Network and MLB Network shows and more. That can't be said for Usenet. If you like MMA, you get the UFC and Bellator, but an MMA torrent site gives you those plus another 5 or 6 shows as well over a 2 week period. The same applies for movies, music, and television in general. Lots of cable tv shows never get posted on Usenet, but they're there on good specialty torrent trackers. As far as speed goes, it takes maybe 15 minutes for things to propagate on Usenet. In that time, you can download a 720 hour long show from a site bot (2 minutes), and get it to your computer from a seedbox in 10 if you have a decently fast connection. So before it even shows on Usenet, you're watching it. I like both, and you can spread your money among both, rather than underrate torrents.

[user3240]

I tried torrents for highly specialized OOP movies. Among the ones I remember:

KaraGarga

THC (horror movies)

Gormogon

Secret-Cinema

There are others but I can't remember all the names.

The small specialty torrent sites often have the exact opposite problem that large public sites have. You could have the fastest seedbox in the world but you need leechers to build up a buffer. This means that you spend too much time seeding crap (free leech stuff) you don't want just so you can build up a decent buffer to get the stuff you do want. It can take a month to build up a decent buffer on the small trackers even with a seedbox.

I am aware of the MMA and sports torrent sites. I compared some private MMA site to the public sites and found that they did not have the latest MMA PPV match any sooner than TPB or some Russian tracker. They do get it faster than Usenet but downloading a brand new torrent can be slow since there are not enough seeders as soon as it hits the torrent site. I will admit that if you want highly specialized stuff that you will find more of it on torrents than Usenet. Example: If somebody wanted UFC PPV # 86, I'm sure the specialty trackers would have it. It's doubtful you will ever find it on Usenet.

Even if it's possible to get the latest G.O.T. faster on some torrent site, I would not care. The automated programs used with Usenet and indexers work just fine for me. If it downloads something at 4 a.m. my time, I don't care if some guy on a torrent site got it 10 minutes earlier. I won't be up to watch it anyway.

On balance, I found torrents to be a PITA compared to Usenet.

[sandman_1]

I am aware of the MMA and sports torrent sites. I compared some private MMA site to the public sites and found that they did not have the latest MMA PPV match any sooner than TPB or some Russian tracker. They do get it faster than Usenet but downloading a brand new torrent can be slow since there are not enough seeders as soon as it hits the torrent site. I will admit that if you want highly specialized stuff that you will find more of it on torrents than Usenet. Example: If somebody wanted UFC PPV # 86, I'm sure the specialty trackers would have it. It's doubtful you will ever find it on Usenet.

http://www.nzbclub.com/nzb_view/14971158/17345_altbin_efnet_FULL_UFC_86_Jackson_vs_Griffin_Extras_READNFO_DVDRip_XviD_W4Y_w4y_ufc86ex
http://www.nzbclub.com/nzb_view/8100989/The_Ultimate_Fighting_Championship_1_99_Part_81_90_UFC_81_90_DVDRip
http://www.nzbclub.com/nzb_view/22107836/UFC_86_Jackson_vs_Griffin_DVDRip_XviD_W4Y_Ein_www_Usenet4ever_info_Upload_Ermoeglicht_durch_www_SecretUsenet_com_1_54_GB

I don't know, I found it rather easily.

[user3240]

LOL.............I guess that's not rare enough. I never bothered to check since I came up with it off the top of my head. There are definitely some OOP movies that private trackers had that I could not find on Usenet. At any rate, I think there is enough on Usenet to satisfy 98% of the people. If I am missing anything, it's not important enough to me to use torrents again.

[nntpjunkie]

I think that the lack of the content mentioned earlier in this thread is because the people that are looking for this kind of content lack the appropriate skills to successfully post it to the Usenet without using methods that scream - TAKE ME DOWN I'M PAY PER-VIEW. Plus that stuff is a bit like Nascar racing, not everyone is into it. IMHO there are a lot of people using the Usenet without even fully understanding what they are doing or even what Usenet is all about- this put a lot of attention (Good and Bad) on the Usenet.

Getting back on topic and to the OP's question, you should have a dutch backup provider for you fills for missing articles - they are not subject to takedown laws, I use one along with Newshosting as my primary and never have any issue. Now occasionally you will run into garbage nzbs if you are using one of these many flavors of newznab indexers floating around, be warned they are not all created equal.

[mtRoom]

I've had a Usenet-provider account for the last 9 years and it's served me well for almost everything I could want in the form of digital data. Rarely is there every something I'm after that doesn't already exist on a newsgroup somewhere. As far as DMCA goes, the provider makes all the difference. Giganews used to be great up until the last few years or so.

[ng4ever]

I can get everything I want fine.

Revolution, Supernatural, etc

[DngrMs]

^ this.

Just get a better provider.


Then again, if the posters of those items don't even use the most basic (and I mean BASIC) forms of title obfuscation, ANY server they are posted to (originally) or that get propagated to, will get whacked, not just those you mention.

[Empahsis added] This is rubbish. I've said it before and I'll say it again THIS IS NOT A TECHNICAL REALITY. Period. Sorry dude.

Once propagated it's technically beyond control edit: 'it's beyond all technical control of the original master/provider'.

[user3240]

I think that the lack of the content mentioned earlier in this thread is because the people that are looking for this kind of content lack the appropriate skills to successfully post it to the Usenet without using methods that scream - TAKE ME DOWN I'M PAY PER-VIEW.


Utter nonsense. Uploaders have many ways of coding headers to beat the bots. Initial uploads are put "in the clear" for a couple of reasons. The trolls need to do a few thousand easy takedowns or they might look harder for the coded ones. People who use automated programs such as Sickbeard and have back up block accounts will beat the bots if they have decent indexer(s).

The days of getting everything you want whenever you want it with a single Usenet service provider and a single free indexer or a Matrix-like place are over.

[ng4ever]

I think that the lack of the content mentioned earlier in this thread is because the people that are looking for this kind of content lack the appropriate skills to successfully post it to the Usenet without using methods that scream - TAKE ME DOWN I'M PAY PER-VIEW.


Utter nonsense. Uploaders have many ways of coding headers to beat the bots. Initial uploads are put "in the clear" for a couple of reasons. The trolls need to do a few thousand easy takedowns or they might look harder for the coded ones. People who use automated programs such as Sickbeard and have back up block accounts will beat the bots if they have decent indexer(s).

The days of getting everything you want whenever you want it with a single Usenet service provider and a single free indexer or a Matrix-like place are over.

Yep.

[Beck38]

The days of getting everything you want whenever you want it with a single Usenet service provider and a single free indexer or a Matrix-like place are over.

Yep.

Only if you're needs are PPV/pro-wrestling or other high profile nonsense (like free OTA tv crap). I get way more than enough (including pay-tv captures) to flood my connection 24x7 if I wanted to; I usually have to hold off on lots of stuff. And none of it 'requires' pay-sites and little more than 'free' indexers (with appropriate minimal brains behind the searching).

Yes, there are tons (TONS) of encrypted postings out there, somewhere around 90% of all posts. But the vast majority of those are the aforementioned wrestling and free-tv crap. If that's your primary downloading goal, then times are tough. I feel for you (NOT) in more ways than one.

[IdolEyes787]

But the vast majority of those are the aforementioned wrestling and free-tv crap. If that's your primary downloading goal, then times are tough. I feel for you (NOT) in more ways than one.

The vast majority of critically acclaimed and historically significant TV programming has been on "free-tv".
Granted mostly due to greed and not artistic license, the times they be a changing but sadly,once again your ignorance is showing.

[Beck38]

once again your ignorance is showing.

One always knows their argument has been proven when others resort to personal attacks. One has to wonder just how much are you making from the kick-backs from promoting pay-sites?

[IdolEyes787]

once again your ignorance is showing.

One always knows their argument has been proven when others resort to personal attacks. One has to wonder just how much are you making from the kick-backs from promoting pay-sites?

Hardly an "attack",personal or otherwise.
If on the other hand I had for whatever reason wanted to make a personal attack on someone (and I'm generalizing here so hopefully no offense) it would read more something like " I find you to be an annoying alarmist with a bit out a God complex who clearly yearns to be perceived as some sort of intellectual, but in reality lacks the wit to even properly capitalize TV".:mellow:

But again I'm only generalizing and being mature adults, personal attacks are sort of beneath us,don't you agree?:)

Btw not spending as much time on the internet presumable as yourself,I don't even fully understand the "pay-site" thing you are alluding to, although I'd be more than happy to receive kickbacks from basically anywhere* if it gets me one step closer to finally owning an Xbox One if any of the owners would like to contact me.:)



*Excluding terrorist cells and maybe the Mob.

No, on second thought actually I'm fine with the Mob.:mellow:

[mjmacky]

once again your ignorance is showing.

One always knows their argument has been proven when others resort to personal attacks. One has to wonder just how much are you making from the kick-backs from promoting pay-sites?

You should spend more time outside this subforum. All of these posts would make a hell of a lot more sense to you. Also, don't give me the excuse that 24-7 gets in your way.

[Funkin']

By the same unerring logic then ever child who wanders into the street deserves to get hit by a car.

Either that or gets closely acquainted with my safe house.

[twister]

lmao at the drama in this thread. came to learn some shit, stayed for the egos and lulz.

[IdolEyes787]

lmao at the drama in this thread. came to learn some shit, stayed for the egos and lulz.I'm guessing the learning had nothing to do with forming sentences that don't make you sound like a semi-retarded 14 year old.

[megabyteme]

make you sound like a semi-retarded 14 year old.

This sort of talk only serves to elicit predatory PMs from Funkin'. :no:

[mtRoom]

I'm guessing the learning had nothing to do with forming sentences that don't make you sound like a semi-retarded 14 year old.



But again I'm only generalizing and being mature adults, personal attacks are sort of beneath us,don't you agree?:)


Guess not ;)