SSL vs No SSL Server

[vigor5000]

Hey can anyone tell me if a server ,say from Astraweb would have the same content on US SSL server vs US server with no ssl or EU SSL vs EU no SSL.

Thanks,

[2501]

usually not, but astraweb is known for mess ups like that so it might be that some servers have stuff that didn't propagate

[Beck38]

Hey can anyone tell me if a server ,say from Astraweb would have the same content on US SSL server vs US server with no ssl or EU SSL vs EU no SSL.

Thanks,

'SSL' is the TRANSMISSION link between the usenet plant and your newsreader, NOT 'different plants' or some such nonsense.

You're connecting to the SAME PLANT, in this case, either the US (SSL or not) or the EU (SSL or not). Same plant (EU or US).

It's a good thing to set your newsreader up so that the first secondary server is the OPPOSITE of your main, whatever service you are using.

EXAMPLE: If Astra/US is your primary, put Astra/EU as your secondary. If your Primary is EU, then secondary should be US

Same if you use Giganews, Usenet-News, or any other service that has 'twin' setups on opposite sides of the 'pond'.

Then for a third service (like Blocknews), put it in a third. And so on.

Anybody who is telling you these are different PLANTS (SSL or not) is feeding you pure NONSENSE.

[vigor5000]

Thank you both for your responses.I figured it was the same server just different connection.What about that third astraweb server is it a mix of the us and eu?

[piercerseth]

Thank you both for your responses.I figured it was the same server just different connection.What about that third astraweb server is it a mix of the us and eu?
The Singapore server? That's part of the EU farm. Although the ip doesn't seem to route to SE Asia anymore, but rather to their NL datacenter.

[vigor5000]

im not sure its the one that doesnt have us or eu in it.

[Beck38]

Most 'twin' setups (like Astraweb) have a 'third' connection setup that is usually referred to as a 'general' server (that's what Astra calls it). If you use this 'general' address, it 'attempts' to route you to, supposedly, the closest (by one would guess, a reverse trace-route setup) the closest plant.

Giganews, for instance, only uses one setting (news.giganews.com) and tries to do everything 'automated'. Right. Every once in a while I'll catch their routing scheme sending me to the EU server instead of the US one which is far closer by about 9000 miles or so) but then again, if they are doing heavy maintenance on one or the other, it MAY come in handy. But I've never seen that effect.

Most everyone 'large' has US and EU plants. Giganews I believe is running a plant either in Hong Kong or somewhere in the far east.
I used to know the direct routing to it but it's lost in my poor memory (several years ago).

[2501]

Beck38, time to lay off from the whoopie-whoopie for a while


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ALL different NOT same

[zdoicx4r]

@2501: Nothing you have listed here contradicts what Beck38 has said.

EU Range: 193.202.122.*, 91.208.207.*
US Range: 216.151.153.*, 207.246.207.*, 8.17.249.*

As Beck38 said, when you use the "general" servers, you are either given the US or EU range, based on which farm you are closest to (using a geo db).

[Beck38]

Beck38, time to lay off from the whoopie-whoopie for a while

ALL different NOT same


You need to take a comprehensive course in 'the internet' or networks in general (or go re-read good on-line usenet explanations like on Slyck.com or on Wikipedia).

Just because the url 'routes' to a different bank of 'front end' machines, means (virtually) nothing. Of course, if the provider out-sources (gee, like Astraweb!) their SSL to a third party (in this case, go-daddy.com of all people) then the setup for providing the SSL has to run on slightly different h/w and s/w than the non-ssl front end.

But it all, in either case, connects to EXACTLY the same bulk array.

[2501]

point is in the case of astraweb if shit hits the fan the posts do not propagate from the 'front end' machines and you get all these incompletes so adding the other servers can help with completion if you are lucky and hit the same server the poster used.

[Beck38]

Like I said, I check (both manually and by NZBcc) propagation OUT of Astra/US virtually 24/7. It has literally been several years since I saw it 'run aground' so to speak on that.

When I do see Giganews (for instance) loose track, I check out others (Blocknews and Usenet-Server for starters) and they are just fine, and then GN does 'eventually' catch back up in a couple days.

But I think no matter where something is posted, that sometimes you'll see 'skips' and 'fades' and that's where having a good selection of 'fills' servers is good (although of late, the last hand-full of years, Blocknews has really been the 'go to' fills provider).

But if you find something that's just a few days old, and use GN, wait a few days and it'll back-fill.