Takedowns - Why Are They Still Happening Despite Scrambled File Names

[mysticbertie]

Ok forgive me as i dont know the right terminology here, for a while my downloads were getting more successful ie less take-downs due to the file names being scrambled or misnamed. Now i seem to be back to square one as many of the recent movies i download from Usenet seem to fail. Whats the reason that these are still being taken down even with misnamed files. Can this be avoided or is it just pot luck?

[Gribley]

Obfuscated names just slow down the DCMA. Really it is down to whom you use as a provider.

If you download fast (0/1/2hour) then no real issue. But you want it to last a bit longer then find a provider that is very slow at actioning the DCMA requests.

I use Astraweb and Tweaknews. Astra used to be super quick at take downs but seemed to of slowed greatly nowdays.... Tweak was always my fill server and they are really slow at taking action :)

Best of luck
Grib

[mysticbertie]

Obfuscated names just slow down the DCMA. Really it is down to whom you use as a provider.

If you download fast (0/1/2hour) then no real issue. But you want it to last a bit longer then find a provider that is very slow at actioning the DCMA requests.

I use Astraweb and Tweaknews. Astra used to be super quick at take downs but seemed to of slowed greatly nowdays.... Tweak was always my fill server and they are really slow at taking action :)

Best of luck
Grib

Thanks for your reply sir,

My provider is supernews. My problem is i download a lot of movies, watch them over a few weeks, then download more, so my downloads can be up to one month old sometimes. Is the only answer try and download them sooner?

[Gribley]

Honestly if it is a "big" movie they`ll get nuked within a day or two. But once they become more wide spread they tend to give up I've found.... I`m not aware of a news provider that doesn`t pull posts, just some intentionally make it a much longer process (bonus for us) hence you have a better chance.

[megabyteme]

My question is why, with so many other options for downloading files, would anyone want to hunt for missing pieces to a puzzle that only works when you've collected all of them?

[Gribley]

My question is why, with so many other options for downloading files, would anyone want to hunt for missing pieces to a puzzle that only works when you've collected all of them?
Meg, sure you can appreciate the joys of no upload and max speed download from the very start. As not "sharing" back (give or take the provider location) you are already anonymous by default. That would be why.

Yes torrents are good but there downsides there too.

Did you have more options that torrents, private ftp, usenet, fileshare(various flavors) or ed2k/limewire etc? Be interesting as those are the only ones I know about

[shaina]

I`m not aware of a news provider that doesn`t pull posts

Gribley....I assume you mean a Usenet provider??:D


I do :P And you know it :D


Meg.. Downloads are all about that speed!!....about that speed!! Speed!! Speed!!:D

[megabyteme]

Speed doesn't amount to anything if you've got to search (and subscribe to) two or more Newsgroup providers in order to begin your search for files that could be taken down at any moment- leaving you with a partial puzzle and now legwork. Not to mention the silliness of having to 'obfuscate' file names...

[Gribley]

Speed doesn't amount to anything if you've got to search (and subscribe to) two or more Newsgroup providers in order to begin your search for files that could be taken down at any moment- leaving you with a partial puzzle and now legwork. Not to mention the silliness of having to 'obfuscate' file names...

Is that not the point of the nzb section not to have to search yourself? It doesn`t have much + value posting but then cab, toriless etc don`t get anything back in return anyway

[megabyteme]

Is there a point to the nzb section? :D

[Gribley]

Is there a point to the nzb section? :D
Those few that bother to post would say yes. You/We/Board have some solid support so that is worth some respect at least

Is there any point in any of this forum :(.... Some nice people hang-out here and that is about what it is worth for me.

[shaina]

Speed doesn't amount to anything if you've got to search (and subscribe to) two or more Newsgroup providers in order to begin your search for files that could be taken down at any moment- leaving you with a partial puzzle and now legwork. Not to mention the silliness of having to 'obfuscate' file names...

Well i have never had a problem finding something i want:D
And once i download... No worries on that seeding crap as well:P , and yes there is extracting the rar files, but i can still do it a hell of a lot faster than a full file torrent download:yup:
But when it comes down to dollars and cents for a better service?? Well you got me there Meg on the costing factor:cry:
And the new provider i am using for a while now... I have not had a takedown on anything past or present:idunno:(and i don't know how they are doing it either)..

Telling me there is no legwork/searching on finding things with torrents?? meaning no seeders, no files. That is never an issue with Usenet , and that is a fact..
But if you want to save money and don't care how long it takes to download the show/movie etc (like downloading a 20-60gig file that i know you don't download but i do), and having other people feeding off your internet:noes:, then that is great for you:D

I will be honest and sometimes i do use Torrents, but it is my last resort..And it doesn't happen very often:)

The formula is...

Good Usenet provider + a good NZB source/provider = speed and happy downloads:D


Is there a point to the nzb section? :D

For me and you ??? No not really here... But the ones i pay for Yes!!!.... either the Nab thing or other people posting a link for me to get the files, yup that is good for me:D

But honestly... what ever you are used too, and works for the things you want, really who cares what anyone else thinks anyways:D

What ever floats your boat:D


Is there any point in any of this forum

Shoot the shit, kill time, and try to make long distance friends, and occasionally have fun :unsure: or maybe help someone out:)

Other than that ?? The square root of cock!!!

I think the NZB section is the only thing keeping this site alive, and getting the hits/new members, even know i don't use it...

Just my feelings and opinion:D

[IdolEyes787]

Is there a point to the nzb section? :D

It gives your Dad something to do in Hell.

NZB are like Charlie Sheen compared hookers to normal dates. You don't pay for the sex so much as you pay for them to leave.

But then Charlie Sheen has the AIDs.

[shaina]

Is there a point to the nzb section? :D
NZB are like Charlie Sheen compared hookers to normal dates. You don't pay for the sex so much as you pay for them to leave after the deed is done.

Fixed:D

And that is what the majority people do here :yup: Check out the NZB section , pick up what they want and leave :D...The deed is done.....

No fuss no mess and no aggravation;)

[Beck38]

Obfuscated names just slow down the DCMA. Really it is down to whom you use as a provider.


Which is why a 'second step' is really needed (like RAR password encryption), just like password protection/authentication (i.e., username PLUS password or even more complex schemes).

Of course, that's what a lot of 'members only' folks/sites use. Lots of folks, however, use an 'open encryption' scheme whereby the passwords are 'in the open' by various methods, some of which require the entire archive to be downloaded and tested before the pw becomes available for use.

So, if one easily figures out the actual name of the file, and goes through the hassle of d/l'ing it, then it's easily recovered. Of course, the bad folks can do the same, but it requires time and effort (read: actual money) to actually do so, and most of the time I'll bet they are so lazy that they don't do it.

Most folks high broadband connection speed (ISP) and newsgroup server (unlimited) is so prevalent, that if those techniques are used prudently, it's rare to see removals.

[Stehle]

Really, saw a post today, (that was there), but made me think after I read a comment below the "Thank you" (Which I always give to the hardworking staff!)... so I checked & checked again... yup, sure enough all the plain English were all gone.

(Okay, so tonight I'm watching "The X-Files.S10.E5" with French subtitles... you snooze, you lose.) :( :alien:

EDIT: Okay, anyone that viewed episode 5 of "The X-Files" will probably understand "why?" it was removed if they have half a brain.

[ZeroC00l]

For awhile there while I am with Giganews the take downs were pretty fast, but for the past few months, I think they have slowed down. I have got many big name movies old and current. Just makes me wonder. But I was told Usenet providers in EU/UK don't suffer takedowns?

[carto0]

We also have takedowns in EU

[doejohnblowjoe]

Aren't most servers part of one or two main companies/databases?

[carto0]

A little bit more :
http://http://www.usenet-providers.net/newsgroup-resellers.php

[batg]

Obfuscated names just slow down the DCMA. Really it is down to whom you use as a provider.


Which is why a 'second step' is really needed (like RAR password encryption), just like password protection/authentication (i.e., username PLUS password or even more complex schemes).


Is password encryption done here? Can't see posted passwords.

[nQQ]

Which is why a 'second step' is really needed (like RAR password encryption), just like password protection/authentication (i.e., username PLUS password or even more complex schemes).


Is password encryption done here? Can't see posted passwords. Don't think it is.

For takedowns, maybe they used to look at header names, but do they now automatically download stuff, just the first part of the rar would do.

Would the password route just slow them own further, and would the extra hassle to downloaders be worth the effort. Whilst many news providers have long retention, how much of that is a factor for those who want stuff likely to be subject to takedowns. Currently its a battle of how quickly takedowns happen verses how quickly people can download

[Beck38]

Passwords would completely stop the takedowns, as they wouldn't know what they had. Without knowing what they're looking at, it's all gibberish.

Several if not all the private websites distribute the passwords to their users, and if someone 'leaks' that for use in a takedown, it can simply be posted again, although it's very rare.

All decent server plants stopped rolling off postings around Aug.08; I have postings going back that far (encrypted of course) that are still there with very little skips or fades, although I always post with 10%+ pars.

As far as a hassle, with the availability of netflix, it's a question. NF doesn't have everything, and a good percent is 'stripped' versions, movies only no extras. If the postings are something special, it's worth it.

Fyi, if you posted some more or set up your account so you had private messages enabled, more information might be forthcoming.

[nQQ]

Usenet has been around a long time, well before torrents. I do remember around a decade ago there was a lot of US based servers and a few EU ones, though mostly non english, but it was a case of just picking up a few words to get by to use them. The argument then was there was a lack of legal routes for people to access programs that was fuelling the rise and the likes of Netflix definitely have filled that gap given quite a few people. I know a lot of the DVDR stuff used to be stripped because dual layer blanks were far more expensive, not sure if that is still the case (that stuff is put out in stripped versions to fit on single layer discs) since the push for higher resolution stuff.

[Beck38]

The cost analysis is or should be the driving force; high speed broadband is, for a good percentage of folks, pretty cheap and widely available (I live pretty deep into a rural area, but have access to the #1 us broadband company (was one of the reasons I moved there along with a low col). Consumables cost has radically changed in the last 5 years, DL 8GB dvd's are still expensive (SL 25GB BR are much cheaper ~60 cents) and DL BR got cheap enough 3+ years ago to forgo recoding (I buy 50GB in bulk at ~$1.60/ea), and BR burners and players are super cheap ($50-70) so there's no reason to stay with old dvd tech even if one is processing sd dvd's.

So it's really a supply problem. I tried out torrents years ago, but the hassle chasing content vr usenet just was too problematic. Not to say usenet doesn't have problems, but they can fairly easily circumvented.

So the last problem is one of source supply; there are only a couple of disc rental outfits, and the largest (nf of course) is a bit over-run with 'rental' versions and, with the supposed number of users down to 5 million nationwide, the supply of off-brand blurays (except for criterion which they still seem to get new releases regularly) is more than a bit lean.

One source that's proven pretty excellent (no stripped/rental versions and always full versions) has been dvdexpress kiosks, and the price is fair as well, $2 for br and you get a coupon for a 'twofer' where you get a free disc when renting another within a couple of days. Selection is limited to new releases, but it does work (I try to get the nf first and if it's a stripped version, go to the kiosk). There are also a couple of mailorder places still in existance that specialize in the discs nf used to have years ago but don't anymore, I use 3D Bluray Rental; cost is ~$3/disc and of course they ship from Chicago so figure 3-7 days usps time to get to you. But the selection, including 3D and 4K is supurb.

I 'process' some 6 discs a week, and that includes storing all my work in the usenet cloud. It all keeps me off the street.

[shaina]

What really amazes me Beck38 (Nice to see you back by the way), is you speak of disk burning, disk burners, etc?? Really who does that today??
Wouldn't you think the new and future path is purchasing External Hard Drives, Internal Hard Drives and actual streaming boxes??
I mean if you really think about it and take an average home today, there investments in entertainment would consists of a Smart TV and some sort of even a gaming machine (Xbox, PS4, Wii etc), any one of those turns your house into a multi media bonanza. And when it comes to costs and lets even add space not having disks and crap all over much more efficient and really cost effective today.
And one of your comment today makes sense considering the lowest grade of retail movies today sold are DVD's for the people that lack any streaming purchases they may have in a household (small amount today), but i would have to say the goal in the majority of households, there goal would be to have more streaming, be it internal or external (Netflix, Hulu, Amazon etc). Too be honest i don't have one single Blu ray player in my house, unless you count game consoles, and if you look at most Blu ray (4k) players sold they all have streaming capabilities, and again removes clutter and searching from room to room looking for disks, with streaming abilities...
Connecting your pc or laptop via HDMI, considering that would be a standard today on a tv be it smart or not?? or a cheap conversion connection can be purchased as well, add a few purchased hard drives and bingo you now have a internal entertainment streaming house hold right??
Any type of disks even for pirating Game Consoles was eliminated by adding external hard drives, cheap, fast and easy to store in small spaces:)...

And really regardless if you use Torrents, Usenet, IRC, or Direct Download sites, you want full BD50's or 4k movies untouched, they are out there to download, purchased or whatever:whistling Who really burns them onto blank disks today for home use?? What with a chance of making frisbee burnt disks,Plus the majority of people don't even want to download 80gig (or bigger)copies of anything or you wouldn't see so many downsized versions (MKV conversions) posted and floating around everywhere, you have people that love a great picture and lack any type of true surround sound system, so downloading 80gigs of true blu ray or 4k movie is not going to make any ones experience of watching the movie or TV show any better, considering a lot of that space is for the soundtracks..

You take game consoles... They are now pushing and motivating for game or whatever purchases over the net, they are putting way bigger hard drives in the consoles and promoting it big time, even take "Steam" for PC game purchases, eliminating disks completely, I mean who even stores work related things on a disk?? Again you are right either a cloud base or some sort of Ext Hard Drive..

And saying there is a shortage or hassle finding content out there?? I would have to think you are looking in the wrong places and maybe using the wrong providers getting it??
Legally or not, especially a guy that says his stuff stays on the net without getting take-downs?? Believe me you are not the only one gifted with that buddy;), It's out there and most of the time very easy to get, and usually at a very little or low cost for everyone, that is if you using the "NOT" way, and most households have the tools, because it is used in every day life today (internet, pc/laptop, etc..)....

The Past is the Past, welcome to the 21st century at least:happy:

Just my thoughts Beck38, and again nice to see you around.....

Edit: I should add you can use/purchase a Raspberry Pi for a very low cost to stream and or play games today as well (For you Gribley:D).....

[Beck38]

I have 150+TB of nas, that gives me ~4000 blurays; I have over 8K on disc, at 1/3rd the price. And those nas drives are a continual expense, 30 hds means I get one failure every 6 months (all arrays are raid 6 ), not to mention power bill.

Physical media is, ultimately, unlimited. If your aim is low, online storage is doable; once you expand beyond that, inless you decide to spend all your spare cash to continually expand it, you'll eventually go back to the drawing board or go broke.

Fyi, I use Ritek bd50's and get <1% bad burns (1 disc out of 100).

Now, tell me how much it will cost to store 12k worth of 50GB blurays, that will run to 600TB of storage, don't forget some protection. Cost with physical media would be close to $20k; just off the top of my head building 600TB of a raid array would come to $120k, or 100k more.

Btw, all my streaming boxes are pch (popcorn hour or cloud media, new name, cost new were about 2-300 each. Suburb mkv playback as well as bluray folders. Understand that it's been good to go since 2002, back before anything like raspberry pi was even on anyones dreams.

Sure, online is pretty instant, but ultimately limited. I've had to revise my thinking several times as I road on into the future, but this is what I ended up with.

You mention other sources of disc rentals, who?

I'll try and figure out how to post some pics of my storage arrays and such.

Streaming (from services like nf/hulu/amazon) is limited, and will remain so. Content owners don't give away their goods, and even taking all 3 of those aboveis a very thin selection of everything out of home video discs. I could do a study of what I have phisically and how much of it is available streaming, but they can't even keep the latest movies and tv on their systems (say the last 5 years). Do a test yourself, take a top flick and see who has it; it was there at some point, now gone completely.

I have it, complete and for the latest, perfect bit for bit with best audio and video. Anything less is a waste of time and effort.

[Caballero]

When do you have the time to watch 12,000 movies?

Let's assume 12-hour days watching, and an average of 2 hours per movie. That's five and half years of non-stop sitting in front of the TV. So if you retire at 65, congrats, you don't really have to make any plans for the rest of your life until you're 71. And that's if you stop accumulating while you're watching your collection.

I mean, I am a pack rat myself, and I am sure I have a lot of crap in my collection (though I've been weeding stuff out going from physical media to streaming), but I am not getting anywhere close to that. And I'm beyond "having just to have it" these days.

By the way, got a PCH 210 myself. Absolutely love the box, even after, what, five or six years? :)

Still don't see the need to upgrade.

[IdolEyes787]

When do you have the time to watch 12,000 movies?

Let's assume 12-hour days watching, and an average of 2 hours per movie. That's five and half years of non-stop sitting in front of the TV. So if you retire at 65, congrats, you don't really have to make any plans for the rest of your life until you're 71. And that's if you stop accumulating while you're watching your collection.

I mean, I am a pack rat myself, and I am sure I have a lot of crap in my collection (though I've been weeding stuff out going from physical media to streaming), but I am not getting anywhere close to that. And I'm beyond "having just to have it" these days.

By the way, got a PCH 210 myself. Absolutely love the box, even after, what, five or six years? :)

Still don't see the need to upgrade.

+1 He answered the question "how?" but the vastly more interesting one here is "why?"

I would say it's like stamps or baseball cards where the pursuit at some point often becomes of more importance than the acquisition.

Still I suppose if you honestly earned the money then you are honestly entitled to do whatever you want with it.

[shaina]

+1 He answered the question "how?" but the vastly more interesting one here is "why?"
I would say it's like stamps or baseball cards where the pursuit at some point often becomes of more importance than the acquisition.
Still I suppose if you honestly earned the money then you are honestly entitled to do whatever you want with it.

Your last sentence Idol... Beck38, his comments was based on saving money and having the best quality, which is fine, but now to play those best quality burnt blu rays, meaning purchasing audio and visual equipment to warrant having the best quality, the budget just went out the window!!. So forget having a collection of 8 thousand burnt disks (and of course 4 thousand on hard drives), that becomes mute..
Use the example of a person that drives a half a million dollar Ferrari, and rents a basement apartment, his choice right :slap:
To be honest, you could say different strokes for different folks, if Beck38, collects or watches all of those movies , and again is there tv shows involved in this collection or that was not added in to his numbers:unsure:, i say good luck and enjoy..
But if you take an average person, which he is way out of that statistic, most people are just not interested in being that anal about the copies they have because they didn't sped the tens of thousands in equipment to warrant the wasted hard drive space nor the clutter of having 8 thousand burnt disks all over your dwelling,
And to really look at this.. Anyone that would have a collection like he is talking about, and then would have all fancy audio and visual equipment to get the full use out of a 4k or a BD50 rip, would not be burning blu rays, he or she would be buying all the original retail ones, and not looking to save a few bucks on burning crap, or as i said would have the setup to stream everything throughout the house, clean and no clutter....

Going back to the actual Tread.....
There are tons of BD50 and 4k rips on torrents or usenet or direct downloads ,that are there and easy to get, depending on your provider or your sources that will make a difference, but they are out there and can be accessed, that was my whole point..

Again just my opinion, right or wrong...


You mention other sources of disc rentals, who?
I have it, complete and for the latest, perfect bit for bit with best audio and video. Anything less is a waste of time and effort.

I didn't mention anything about movie rentals? I was meaning purchasing either online/retail or torents/usenet etc..

I would say when you speak or explain things Beck38 you are not really including the average person, you are speaking of a very small amount of people.
I really hope you watch and enjoy your collection, and how you choose to store it..
I can tell you i have thrown out or gave away hundreds and hundreds of old dual layer disks and standard dvd disks, and gone straight to streaming throughout my household, is the quality i download all BD50 rips not a chance, but i do have a few movies i have on my server that are and they are usually action movies that i think warrant to have the best sound and picture, Do you notice a difference between your Burnt Blu rays and streaming them?? And how are you streaming them to your TV's/Media boxes?? Plex?? UMS?? or some other way??, other than that i look for an average size MKV copy that has good sound and good picture quality (usually 5-15gigs). Now do i notice a difference?? There is no question there is comparing an Action movie for sure, but a drama or non action flick i really don't care.. It would be the same when i download a tv series, i don't download every Blu ray full 1080p or 4k (2160) rip for the same reason it makes no difference on the video equipment i own in most of my rooms that would share all the stuff on the server...
And when it comes to NF/Hulu etc. i know they are always behind on the latest stuff unless it is there own exclusive shows or movies, and in the same it is not true 4k or even true 1080p broadcasting, but again for the average person out there, really who cares?? It is easy access anywhere for viewing on anything that connects to the internet and to me and i would think most people if it looks good and sounds good on what you have or can afford, that is great:)...


When do you have the time to watch 12,000 movies?
Let's assume 12-hour days watching, and an average of 2 hours per movie. That's five and half years of non-stop sitting in front of the TV. So if you retire at 65, congrats, you don't really have to make any plans for the rest of your life until you're 71. And that's if you stop accumulating while you're watching your collection.
I mean, I am a pack rat myself, and I am sure I have a lot of crap in my collection (though I've been weeding stuff out going from physical media to streaming), but I am not getting anywhere close to that. And I'm beyond "having just to have it" these days.
By the way, got a PCH 210 myself. Absolutely love the box, even after, what, five or six years? :)
Still don't see the need to upgrade.

So lets say i do have the time to watch that many movies?? Is there really that many movies i would want to waste my time or even be interested in watching?? The answer is NO!!!
And having that many movies is not a pack rat that is more of a sickness, hoarder hobby right:unsure: I had a stage like that Cabby when i got the kids Xbox360 and Wii hacked , and was downloading and burning every game that came out, and i was a bit frugal and just used a cd marker to put the name of the game on the disk, as opposed to printing out the original disk covers. So lets say i burnt 300 xbox360 games and bought cd album cases to store them, the bottom line is the kids may have played the truth 20 out of 300 , i still downloaded and burnt them anyways, was it stupid?? ya i look back and say it probably was, but i figured now once the game console is outdated and you ever want to go to a game made for system i got it:)
That is now my excuse and i am sticking with it:lol:
And really your comment on still happy with what equipment you have and i assume you don't download everything in true BD50 or 4k i would consider you an average person out there (Just as i feel i am:)).....

Edit: Thinking if i had to use time during a nice day outside, there is no fuckin way i would be sitting in the house watching movies, i will be in and out of a golf cart drinking having fun and hitting that little white fuckin ball with the least shots to get it in the hole:D

[user3240]

How many movies are worth " best quality burnt Blu rays?" I know it's not close to 12 thousand.

[megabyteme]

I was able to locate a rare photo of Beck38 explaining the importance and value of his massive collection to a passerby.

https://i.imgur.com/40qBAoQ.jpg

[Gregg987]

Stamp collecting, book collecting, old magazine collecting, broadcast TV program collecting. It's a natural progression. It's Research. There's also Plan E: 4TB external USB 2.5" hard drives. Advantages: they consume power only when you're actively using them; compact; reasonably reliable. Challenge: you need to use both computer and manual organizational skills.

Recordable VCR tapes were bulky. DVD+Rs slightly less. I bought a BD burner early in the game, and blanks, but at around the same time external HDs became too economical and always easy. So the burner and disks are unused, in their retail boxes. I wonder if a pristine early BD player will ever become as handy as was tape equipment manufactured before (or which avoided) macrovision and other copy-inhibiting schemes?

[user3240]

Recordable VCR tapes were bulky. DVD+Rs slightly less. I bought a BD burner early in the game, and blanks, but at around the same time external HDs became too economical and always easy. So the burner and disks are unused, in their retail boxes. I wonder if a pristine early BD player will ever become as handy as was tape equipment manufactured before (or which avoided) macrovision and other copy-inhibiting schemes?

Ever since I got my Google Chromecast I've cut way down on Usenet downloads. I put Movie HD, Cinemabox, Megabox HD and KoKotime apps on my Android Tablets and phones. Using the localcast app I can stream almost any recent movies and TV show to my set.

If I think a movie is really good I might save it to an external hard drive. For the most part physical media is dead.

[anon]

4TB external USB 2.5" hard drives

I've got a Seagate one! If you're not Beck38, this is as much storage space as you'll ever need :turned: Super small and portable too.

[shaina]

4TB external USB 2.5" hard drives
I've got a Seagate one! If you're not Beck38, this is as much storage space as you'll ever need :turned: Super small and portable too.

To be honest Anon, i have a wee bit more than that:)
It really is amazing how fast hard drives do fill up with stuff, but you could say 4tb is enough if you are going to delete stuff after watching:idunno:
I do have over 14tb plus in storage (4-3tb, 1-2tb (split for storage and operating system) 1-300gb), all the slots full on MB), and they are not even close to being filled:whistling
But i keep them separate as well, they are not merged into one like a server, and i just rename the drives according to what i put on them EG. "D:TV Shows New"..

Just my way of doing things:)

And i am not sure how you download things, but i have a completely separate PC to download stuff and then i transfer everything i keep , meaning i sometimes download something and skim through it, and if i don't want it i delete it. I know a few people that download direct to there servers, i don't do that....

How do you organize your stuff Anon??

And on to the Tread Subject again.....

I am noticing a ton of 4k or True BD50 stuff posted, and easy to get, plus i went back a while to get a couple of HBO shows that screwed up on my Hard Drive,and i got them all easy, mind you some of those shows were never posted/available in 4k, but i don't download anything to that level anyways.....
With the right sources and providers it is available to get if you want it:)
If Beck38 chooses to have a library like that it is his choice and good luck to him, i know i would never do it, i don't see any advantage for my household setups....


Ever since I got my Google Chromecast I've cut way down on Usenet downloads. I put Movie HD, Cinemabox, Megabox HD and KoKotime apps on my Android Tablets and phones. Using the localcast app I can stream almost any recent movies and TV show to my set.
If I think a movie is really good I might save it to an external hard drive. For the most part physical media is dead.

I tried it this way just to test the difference in quality, streaming it from a laptop, connected with HDMI and full connection Ethernet not wifi, i do it for all the live PPV stuff, but the quality is sill not as good as downloading and running it direct through some sort of eternal media server or connecting a hard drive to the source you are viewing it from. That would even go with Netflix, the quality is ok but you can see the difference compared to when you are running from an internal server, picture and sound channels quality is better running it eternally.
Like you said, saying physical media is dead being it right or wrong, it comes down to clutter and convenience for me, i remember the days before streaming came in, and disks were all over my house or they get scratched or something because they were never put back in the album cases (Lazy LOL!!), even when they came out with re-writable disks, still it was hard to keep everything organized. I guess it would be ok if you only have one TV in your house to watch:unsure: , but again that never worked in my household even know you had no choice back then, too each there own and whatever works for you or anybody else is great and you are happy with the quality:).....

Just my opinion:)

[user3240]

I fully agree. If it's a movie I really care about I'll download a Blu Ray. There are so few movies and/or TV shows that I consider "archive worthy" that ordinary streaming quality is fine with me 98% of the time. I think it's fine that Beck enjoys his collection but I don't need 12K movies in the highest possible quality.

[shaina]

I fully agree. If it's a movie I really care about I'll download a Blu Ray. There are so few movies and/or TV shows that I consider "archive worthy" that ordinary streaming quality is fine with me 98% of the time. I think it's fine that Beck enjoys his collection but I don't need 12K movies in the highest possible quality.

12k, agree not a chance, but this one is one of my keeper's :)

178540

If you take this movie, with picture quality MKV encode is fine, but you want true sound/effects only way to watch it is a BD50 rip ;)
But your way user3240, is the way of the future and convenience , but sooner or later the movie or show is dropped on the streaming networks, and then you are screwed:cry:,but having a average size external hard drive just in case (pretty reasonably priced today), doesn't really hurt.
And you mentioning all the Movie steaming networks you use?? Don't most of them really have/offer the same content?? And also they show Movies that got great ratings from the masses?? Meaning, sometimes you have no choice but to Torrent/Usenet or purchase a movie or show that may never make the cut or licensed to get on those networks...
I guess it all depends on your taste of Movies and Shows right?? Or in my case, a household of kids and wife with what they want to watch:happy:

[anon]

How do you organize your stuff Anon??

Folders with tens of thousands of files, until this year when I decided to sort them by category... or year? It's so much stuff I don't even care anymore.

[shaina]

How do you organize your stuff Anon??
Folders with tens of thousands of files, until this year when I decided to sort them by category... or year? It's so much stuff I don't even care anymore.

I get ya:) I fell behind 2 days of downloads and it was a pain in the ass if you don't do it daily!!

I assume you don't use Plex or any streaming program to sort it out for you on the HD's??

I prefer not to use anything that is constantly connected to the internet to sort stuff, that's just me:)

It is also sad when i go through some of the stuff i actually did move to my server, a quarter of it is just shit!!! Even know i thought i would watch it more than once..

I store it like this...

The Blacklist S01 (Folder name) Then what ever the first few episodes come up i just keep the beginnings the same "The.blacklist.101.x264.lol" and the next may read
"The.blacklist.102.x264.killers" , as long as until the episode# , it shows up on my media server the same:).
And knowing it is in its own folder for the season it is easy to change when the better rips come out and just delete the old ones...

Just my way of doing things with tv shows..

I tried to make different folder categories for Movies like "Action" or "Drama" , but it became so much work to decide really where they should go, i said the hell with that in just put them Alphabetical. Or if it was a series of movies, i make a Folder put all the series and put them in there own drive...
I also put Movies on a hard drive in folders with the main actor in it Eg. "Robert De Niro", but then my kids would get confused because they would think if there was a younger actor in the Movie it should have been put by there name:)
Oh well, i am doing all the work!! so i do it my way;)
They are actually pushing me to use Plex so it can make everything look pretty and easy to search for stuff, i am thinking of trying it out to see if it is better, but i just don't want it connected to the internet all the time...

[anon]

I assume you don't use Plex or any streaming program to sort it out for you on the HD's??

No, I don't like having my computer second-guess me :P


Oh well, i am doing all the work!! so i do it my way;)

This :turned:

[shaina]

No, I don't like having my computer second-guess me :P

Very good:lol:

[Caballero]

Plex only needs to be connected to the internet when you add stuff and it downloads the metadata and petty pictures. After that you can shut off your cable modem and stream your video internally using your wifi network. You only need internet for playback if you are away from your house and want to watch something on your phone or tablet.

[shaina]

Plex only needs to be connected to the internet when you add stuff and it downloads the metadata and petty pictures. After that you can shut off your cable modem and stream your video internally using your wifi network. You only need internet for playback if you are away from your house and want to watch something on your phone or tablet.

So the data is picked up from them right?? what about some of the early releases we get that in theory shouldn't exists yet?? That make me a bit nervous for someone else to know..And if you were away your server has to be live to stream to tablets etc. and i i know you have to log on as well,that makes sense, it just makes me nervous that Plex goes through your drives to see what is on them...
It was bad enough i was having a problem with one of my kids Xbox360's and i didn't even give any permission to access the hard drive and while i was talking to them on the phone they were making changes and going through the hard drive on the console:fear:
Like i said i think it is great and better/ease in organizing your media, but i prefer to keep what i have internally not on the web. I can tell you i did at one time added the gif's manually for a while, but that didn't last Cabby:crazy:

[Caballero]

Metadata is not picked up from Plex but from tvdb.com or The Movie Database. As Plex states on their website, they really don't give a sh!t about what you have in your library and do not log anything. I guess it's up to you whether you believe them or not, but 'd guess someone would have picked up on that over the years if it wasn't the case.

And early releases don't matter -- either the data exists on those other websites or it doesn't. It's not like IMDB only includes info for movies that have already been released on disc.

You're too paranoid in this case. :)

[shaina]

Metadata is not picked up from Plex but from tvdb.com or The Movie Database. As Plex states on their website, they really don't give a sh!t about what you have in your library and do not log anything. I guess it's up to you whether you believe them or not, but 'd guess someone would have picked up on that over the years if it wasn't the case.
And early releases don't matter -- either the data exists on those other websites or it doesn't. It's not like IMDB only includes info for movies that have already been released on disc.
You're too paranoid in this case. :)

I read this Cabby, be it true or not still makes me wonder when it comes to 3rd party use of things....

Plex Privacy Issues and The Plan at Emby...

"We cannot tell the future but we do allow you to opt out of our statistics collection.

It is also worth noting that our statistics are very different from theirs. All we are doing is trying to see how many people are using which apps so that we can properly gauge their respective audiences and apply our resources accordingly.

The other guys collect a bunch of stuff about the media you are playing (not actually which media but metadata about it like its format, bitrate, etc.). We have never tracked or collected that and have no plans to."

Just saying, paranoid or not:idunno:

[Stehle]

I was able to locate a rare photo of Beck38 explaining the importance and value of his massive collection to a passerby.

https://i.imgur.com/40qBAoQ.jpg

Hahahaha.... Sorry Meg, you sometimes crack me up to the point of blacking out! What a pearl! :wacko: :alien:

#deathbylaughing #alienblackoutdeaththread #dungbeetlesimportance

[witchking42]

At the end of the day, i don't think its ever likely you'll get a knock on the door from a copper saying "We found out you were playing Thor Ragnorok on you're PLEX server so have come to arrest you".

They want to stop the source of the distribution and those involved in any profiteering. They would also have to prove that just because the file was called say "Thor: Ragnorok" that it was in fact that...i could name every movie on my Plex server to Ragnorok, it would show up on my Plex playback as that, when in fact I'm watching the latest Barbie cartoon film!


And back to the OP's point, it seems that Usenet is a current target at the moment of the copyright guys, with the takedown of SSL News / Town.ag and associated websites, it looks like usenet has poked it's head up above the wall and is being actively targeted. It will trail off at some point like it has done in the past, new forums will pop up, new new usenet groups will be utilised and even more obfuscation will happen. It's always a game of cat and mouse.

Seems that only recently we've lost the a.b.moovee and a.b.teevee efnet irc groups, well they've probably swapped to something else that they are not letting people know about yet. But they've shut up shop probably to make it harder to find the releases.

WK
(Ex-FST Crew)

[Gangorn]

At the end of the day, i don't think its ever likely you'll get a knock on the door from a copper saying "We found out you were playing Thor Ragnorok on you're PLEX server so have come to arrest you".

They want to stop the source of the distribution and those involved in any profiteering. They would also have to prove that just because the file was called say "Thor: Ragnorok" that it was in fact that...i could name every movie on my Plex server to Ragnorok, it would show up on my Plex playback as that, when in fact I'm watching the latest Barbie cartoon film!


And back to the OP's point, it seems that Usenet is a current target at the moment of the copyright guys, with the takedown of SSL News / Town.ag and associated websites, it looks like usenet has poked it's head up above the wall and is being actively targeted. It will trail off at some point like it has done in the past, new forums will pop up, new new usenet groups will be utilised and even more obfuscation will happen. It's always a game of cat and mouse.

Seems that only recently we've lost the a.b.moovee and a.b.teevee efnet irc groups, well they've probably swapped to something else that they are not letting people know about yet. But they've shut up shop probably to make it harder to find the releases.

WK
(Ex-FST Crew)



This is a huge loss. There's so much preDB stuff already that's nowhere to be found since they shut down

[nQQ]

Metadata is not picked up from Plex but from tvdb.com or The Movie Database. As Plex states on their website, they really don't give a sh!t about what you have in your library and do not log anything. I guess it's up to you whether you believe them or not, but 'd guess someone would have picked up on that over the years if it wasn't the case.
And early releases don't matter -- either the data exists on those other websites or it doesn't. It's not like IMDB only includes info for movies that have already been released on disc.
You're too paranoid in this case. :)

I read this Cabby, be it true or not still makes me wonder when it comes to 3rd party use of things....

Plex Privacy Issues and The Plan at Emby...

"We cannot tell the future but we do allow you to opt out of our statistics collection.

It is also worth noting that our statistics are very different from theirs. All we are doing is trying to see how many people are using which apps so that we can properly gauge their respective audiences and apply our resources accordingly.

The other guys collect a bunch of stuff about the media you are playing (not actually which media but metadata about it like its format, bitrate, etc.). We have never tracked or collected that and have no plans to."

Just saying, paranoid or not:idunno:

"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not after you"

It depends if you are someone who wants to stay under the radar by not overly exposing yourself

[shaina]

"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not after you"
It depends if you are someone who wants to stay under the radar by not overly exposing yourself

What you said contradicts each other

Paranoid or not, under the radar or not?? I prefer to keep my server off the internet, that is my whole point. To get pretty things and those extras that some of the streaming programs/services offer, you have to connect to there servers, saying they don't collect data?? Well why do you have to make accounts/sign in and why do you have to merry all of your steaming media boxes with them??

The internal streaming program i use now, doesn't make pretty Blu ray covers nor get movie or tv info, i make my own folders and do everything manually, so everything on my server drives never see the internet nor can be traced. I know and understand that those other streaming programs don't need to be connected to the internet to work, so what is the main point to them?? Do they have the proper programs/codecs etc.. built in to get you the best sound and picture?? or do they mux or convert a Movie or Show format according to there so called best performance??
Would be the same as my internet provider... They know i am downloading things, and can track how much, but they don't know what:sly:

To end any debate and not saying anybody is right or wrong , i have to be happy what i use, for myself, and what i think is best for internally stream to the equipment in my household, that is why trying to compare to others peoples setup is difficult if you are not comparing to the same audio and visual equipment specs (not intending to be technical by any means to others).
You could say different strokes for different folks, and if you are happy what you use great:)
I am open and i am willing to try/test other things out and see if i can better the quality of streaming or make it more efficient without losing quality, but i will not change my principals or sacrifice putting my servers online/internet for the sake of pretty covers and a pretty home page....
But i am tinkering always:)

On another note....
There is a ton of 4k/Ultra HD stuff being posted out there and i don't see any posted here?? How can that be fixed:D
You can go crazy and start downloading and streaming some 100gb rips!!(Perfect for Beck38:naughty:) They are out there. Again even with the loss of some of the NZB and Usenet sites, i am not seeing too many if any take downs of Usenet post.....

[2501]

if you can post 100gb stuff you can start a nzb site and earn bank, you would be stupid to do it for free.

[shaina]

if you can post 100gb stuff you can start a nzb site and earn bank, you would be stupid to do it for free.

What?? Where do you think i am seeing the 4k stuff??
You do know there is other NZB sites out there right:unsure:
And really!! I am not interested, but thanks for the suggestion.....

[nQQ]

if you can post 100gb stuff you can start a nzb site and earn bank, you would be stupid to do it for free.Actually, I'd think the opposite in that you would be stupid to do it for anything other than free. If the aim is to make money, it always catches up with you - the sites taken down are often done because the appetite to maximise money by increasing size overly exposes them so that they get discovered and taken down.

[shaina]

if you can post 100gb stuff you can start a nzb site and earn bank, you would be stupid to do it for free.Actually, I'd think the opposite in that you would be stupid to do it for anything other than free. If the aim is to make money, it always catches up with you - the sites taken down are often done because the appetite to maximise money by increasing size overly exposes them so that they get discovered and taken down.

There is no such thing as a free lunch NQQ;)
There is a cost to do anything, but how you minimize the cost is a different story. All the real good NZB sites there is a small cost, but if you benefit from it? Great!! , and do they get taken down or decide to pack it in?? sure they do:), but there is and always be some other one that pops up;)
This place i wouldn't say is the greatest NZB site (No offense Cabby;)), but they do a great job, and you can still get the basic new stuff out there, and look how long it has been around. And some of the really good ones have methods to try to keep under the radar, but if the "Man" wants you, nothing can stop that...

I would never, and have no interest in opening a NZB or Torrent site, i am just a guy who benefits from others that do, and there are lots out there, some great, and some average, but there is lots to choose from, especially with a small donation or join a bunch, and max out the free limits...

Your choice:)

[2501]

nzbmatrix and newzbin both made more money in a few years than you will in a lifetime and they got away with it too.

[shaina]

nzbmatrix and newzbin both made more money in a few years than you will in a lifetime and they got away with it too.

You really think so??

So you think the owners retired and are now living on a private island living the life of kings :rolleyes:

So why don't you open a fresh new site?? You seem to have the idea you get rich doing so??

I know most of the sites i joined were 20-$40us for a lifetime membership (20-25years) and a couple are $10 a year??
To join here it is $100 for 20 years assume there is what, just over 5,000 members that pay:huh:
Now pay the expenses out of that for 20-25 years??

And i hope you are not comparing my finances to someone who ran an NZB site:unsure:, and i don't count other peoples money, i have a hard enough time counting mine;)

Edit: You know i didn't mean to sound disrespectful 2501 (seeing you have been here since 2012), but i think the only question i should have asked you is how old you are??

[nQQ]

Of course running a site costs money, for servers etc, but there is a whole world of difference between one that has small subscription or donation options that build a community and one where you are charging a lot and aiming to make money out of it. The point I was making is those that aim to grow big and make as much money as possible risk getting shut down more than one where subs and growth are lower with the aim to be a select club spread through word of mouth.

[shaina]

Of course running a site costs money, for servers etc, but there is a whole world of difference between one that has small subscription or donation options that build a community and one where you are charging a lot and aiming to make money out of it. The point I was making is those that aim to grow big and make as much money as possible risk getting shut down more than one where subs and growth are lower with the aim to be a select club spread through word of mouth.

I agree nQQ, most of the better indexing sites i have seen, usually cap so many members so there servers are not bogged down and when they hit the number they want they lock it up. If they don't do that and there members get pissed word gets out fast and they won't last long after that, plus they want to keep expenses down , and they do that like you said keep a small community and make all the members happy;)
I see you joined here and i think it is great:), not sure if this is your primary site for NZB's or not, but the crew and there efforts here to find the quality stuff and get the links out fast are pretty good....
I hope the site works out for you nQQ, and nice to see you in the forums...

[user3240]

nzbmatrix and newzbin both made more money in a few years than you will in a lifetime and they got away with it too.

The original Newsbin made big bucks (over a million) but ran into legal hassles. They tried to poor mouth it but court documents showed the kind of money they raked in.

The Matrix became the only game in town for the most part. They made millions. They shut down before any legal hassles. Smart move.

Thanks to open source programs like newznab anybody can set up a site. The competition is too fierce for anybody to do what the Matrix did.

[nQQ]

This thread seems to have veered on to indexing sites, surely the OP was on about news servers. After all if posts are being taken down from news servers it doesn't matter whether indexing sites continue, as the posts are unavailable. So are takedowns due to programs to download and check the content of files leading to takedown or because there is bots invading indexing sites and using these to verify content that needs taking down?

[MacGyverSG1]

I'm sure the companies are trying every method possible to remove copyrighted material. The reason why more and more archives are password protected. The problem with that is getting the passwords. The websites that contain the passwords are secret (invite only). Look at all the German websites taken down recently.

[jbloggs]

nzbmatrix and newzbin both made more money in a few years than you will in a lifetime and they got away with it too.

The original Newsbin made big bucks (over a million) but ran into legal hassles. They tried to poor mouth it but court documents showed the kind of money they raked in.

The Matrix became the only game in town for the most part. They made millions. They shut down before any legal hassles. Smart move.

Thanks to open source programs like newznab anybody can set up a site. The competition is too fierce for anybody to do what the Matrix did.

I don't think there any sites that are anywhere near as good as Matrix was, unless there are one out there that are super dooper stealthy secret :)

[nQQ]

The original Newsbin made big bucks (over a million) but ran into legal hassles. They tried to poor mouth it but court documents showed the kind of money they raked in.

The Matrix became the only game in town for the most part. They made millions. They shut down before any legal hassles. Smart move.

Thanks to open source programs like newznab anybody can set up a site. The competition is too fierce for anybody to do what the Matrix did.

I don't think there any sites that are anywhere near as good as Matrix was, unless there are one out there that are super dooper stealthy secret :)
Is that some sort of subtle request with the implied " if there is and you have an invite ...."

[NameUser]

Same uploaders who uploaded for Matrix are still uploading for the remaining sites, if anything I would say the number of uploads on Usenet has increased tenfold due to every decent site having their own mass uploads.